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`ocneba~ vaJas nu gvaswavlis~
saqarTvelosa da ruseTs
Soris pirdapiri frenebi ar
aris. am dros moskovidan mofrinavs
Carteruli reisi. rogor
ggoniaT, ar icoda Cvenma xelisuflebam,
aq vin mofrinavda
drois satareblad? Zalian kargad
icoda. iseve icodnen, rogorc
is, Tu ra gancxadebebi hqondaT
am adamianebs gakeTebuli.
pozneric iseve Tavad dapatiJes,
rogorc rusi komunisti gavrilovi.
_ ise, ra damTxvevaa, ara, gav-
rilovi im savarZelSi Casves,
saidanac gamsaxurdiam qveynis
damoukidebloba gamoacxada;
putinis propagandisti pozneri
ki 31 marts, gamsaxurdias da-
badebis dRes, Camoiyvanes. 31
marti im referendumis dRecaa,
romliTac qarTvelma xalxma
saqarTvelos damoukideblobas
dauWira mxari.
_ aranairi damTxveva araa.
sul imas vambob, rom „qarTuli
ocneba” simboloebs ebrZvis. is,
rac CvenTvis mniSvnelovania,
amas upirispirdeba oligarqi.
oRond rusebs asiamovnon da
saqarTvelos istorias gadaweren.
usircxvilo mdinaraZe gamodis
da Cvenze ambobs, samoqalaqo
aqtivistebi rusul saqmes akeTebeno.
rusul saqmes akeTeben egeni!
Cven maT saqmianobas vaprotestebT.
Cven ar SeveguebiT imas,
rom saqarTvelo gaxdes ruseTis
gubernia. rusebi saqarTvelos
ukve rogorc Tavis gubernias,
ise aRiqvamen. es pozneris stumrobamac
daadastura. es rusebi
komendantis saaTis dros ise
daiarebodnen, rogorc TavianT
miwa-wyalze. aq arsebul kanonsac
arad dagidevdnen. CemTvis Soki
iyo is, Tu rogor iqceoda Cveni
policia. gaognebuli vuyurebdi,
eskortiT rogor daabrZanebdnen
rusebis delegacias. am delegaciis
wevrebidan arc erTi aRiarebs
saqarTvelos teritoriul
mTlianobas. „qarTuli ocnebis”
logikiT, maTTvis aqcia ar unda
mogvewyo da taSiT unda davxvedrodiT.
saqarTvelo marTla
demokratiuli qveyana rom iyos,
„ocnebas” okupantebis maspinZloba
Zalian Zviri daujdeboda.
warmoudgeneli rameebi xdeba
Cvens Tavs. saWiroa xalxis gamofxizleba.
male Tu ar gamovfxizldiT,
erTxelac iqneba da ruseTSi
gaviRviZebT. aqamde bevri
aRar gviklia. gamogvketaven yvelas
da gansxvavebuli azris gamoxatvis
uflebac ar mogvecema.
ise, TiTqmis ukve ruseTSi varT.
gia volskim iuzrdela da amis
gamo 12 aqtivisti dagvakaves.
_ Tumca maleve gagaTavisu-
fles.
_ gamogviSves, magram erTi
Cveni TanamebrZoli mainc daitoves.
_ nikuSa farulavaze ambobT?
_ ki, nikuSa droebiTi dakavebis
izolatorSi datoves. Sefasebac
ki miWirs, imdenad warmoudgeneli
rameebi xdeba. am
„qocebs” yvelaferi rogor unda
`saqarTvelosa da ruseTs Soris pirdapiri frenebi ar aris. am dros
moskovidan mofrinavs Carteruli reisi. rogor ggoniaT, ar icoda Cvenma
xelisuflebam, aq vin mofrinavda drois satareblad? Zalian kargad icoda.
iseve icodnen, rogorc is, Tu ra gancxadebebi hqondaT am adamianebs gakeTebuli.
pozneric iseve Tavad dapatiJes, rogorc rusi komunisti gavrilovi~
epatios? erT dros Cveni saamayo
policia gadaqceulia rusul
miliaciad. miliaciac aRar aris,
ufro ivaniSvilis piradi yarayulebi
arian! imis magivrad,
rom kanoni daicvan da kriminals
ebZolon, biZina ivaniSvilsa da
„qarTuli ocnebis” ofiss yarauloben.
amasobaSi, kriminali
imatebs. araferi saimedo da kargi
aRar xdeba qveyanaSi. zeTis
fasze mTeli saqarTvelo viciniT
da vxumrobT, magram saxumarod
namdvilad ar gvaqvs
saqme. adamianebi elementarulad
purs veRar yiduloben, ise gaZvirda
yvelaferi.
_ produqtebi axseneT da po-
znerisTvis nasrol kvercxebze
unda gkiTxoT. aris aseTi dep-
utati irma zavradaSvili. arCevnebamde
mas didubis gamgeblis
pozicia ekava. am qalma sruli
seriozulobiT moiTxova imis
garkveva, saidan moitaneT poz-
nerisTvis dasaSeni kvercxebio?
_ qalbaton irmas Zalian
gaukvirdeba, axla rasac vityvi:
SevediT maRaziaSi da Cveni saku-
Tari fuliT viyideT es kvercxebi.
misgan da misi Tanapartielebisgan
gansxvavebiT, Cven
biujetis fuls ar viparavT. Sei-
Zleba, qalbatonma irmam ar icis,
rom maRaziaSi kvercxi iyideba.
Tu ar sjera, SegviZlia, maRazia-
Si waviyvanoT da vanaxoT es kvercxebi.
aqve isic minda vTqva, rom
arc „ocnebis” wevrebisTvis dagvenaneba
kvercxebis yidva.
_ ras gulisxmobT, „qarTuli
ocnebis” wevrebisTvisac apir-
ebT kvercxebis daSenas?
_ aqamde midis saqme. ukve ise
amazrzenad iqcevian, rom sxva gamosavals
aRar gvitoveben. saqveynod
vacxadeb: qveynis rusul
relsebze gadayvanas Tu ar moeSvebian,
maTac gavumaspinZldebiT
kvercxebiT! zeTisa ar iyos, kvercxic
gaZvirda, magram ramenairad
viyidiT. irma zavradaSvilisgan
aranair SeniSvnas ar miviRebT.
_ ratom ar miiRebT?
_ ratom unda miviRoT meqr-
Tame, korumpirebuli Cinosnisgan
SeniSvna?! es qalbatoni wleb-
`ra komentari unda gavakeTo kvirikaSvilze? ra
uflebiT gvmoZRvravs, turistebi aRar movlen
da xalxi gaRatakdebao? Zalian sasaciloa,
rodesac xalxis gaRatakebaze nerviulobs is
kaci, romelic xalxis gaRatakebis gamo gaagdo
ivaniSvilma premierobidan~
is ganmavlobaSi didubis gamgebeli
gaxldaT. misi naTesavi
didubis gamgeobis kuTvnil kompiuterebs
alombardebda. aseTi
adamianebi dRes qveynis umaRless
sakanonmdeblo organoSi
sxedan, rac Cveni qveynis sircxvilia.
sircxvilia isic, isini
teleeTerebSi rom Canan da maT
Jurnalistebi azrs ekiTxebian.
_ Cvenc ra vqnaT? parlamen-
tSi egeni arian da maTTvis
azris kiTxva gviwevs.
_ JurnalistebTan aranairi
pretenzia ar gamaCnia. Tqven yvelas
unda hkiTxoT azri. qveynis
ubedureba isaa, rom zavradaSvilis
msgavsi xalxi zis parlamentSi
da saqveyno saqmeebs wyvets.
man ra kanoni unda daweros, roca
Tavad aris korumpirebuli?.
didubis gamgeoba araerT skandalSi
gaexvia am wlebSi. qalbatoni
irma sanam samoqalaqo aqtivistebisken
gamoiSvers xels,
sakuTar naTesavebs mixedos,
romlebic gamgeobaSi hyavda gaformebuli.
erT-erTma maTganma
aiRo da gamgeobis kuTvnili kompiuterebi
daalombarda.
_ ratom daalombarda?
_ fuli dasWirda, adga da
daalombarda.
_ iyo saSualeba da sakuTar
kompiuters xom ar daalom-
bardebda?
_ saxelmwifos qoneba sakuTrebad
miaCniaT da rasac undaT,
imas akeTeben. aseT skandalSi
rom gagxvies naTesavebma, samoqalaqo
aqtivistebisken xeli rogor
unda gaiSviro? magram qalbatoni
irmasgan sxvas arc velodi.
Zalian mewyineboda, misi mosawoni
saqcieli rom Camedina.
bolos rom damakaves, winaaRmdegobis
gaweva arc mifiqria. Cemi
nebiT mivyvebodi, radganac meamayeboda,
ris gamoc damiWires.
me da Cemi megobrebi imis gamo
dagvakaves, rom qveynis okupacias
vaprotestebdiT.
_ okupaciis gaprotesteba
danaSaulia?
_ ukve danaSaulia. „qarTuli
ocnebis” gadawyvetilebiT qveynis
okupaciis gaprotesteba dasjadi
gaxda.
_ samagierod, dasjadi araa
saqarTvelos droSis gadagdeba.
yvelam vnaxeT is kadrebi, sadac
policielma aqciis monawileebs
droSa waarTva da moisrola.
_ ruseTis msaxuri xelisufleba
damoukidebeli saqarTvelos
simbolikis Seuracxyofaze
vis dasjis? ar gamikvirdeba, madlobasac
Tu etyvian. samagierod,
okupaciis gaprotesteba gaxda
danaSauli. rogorc vatyob,
„qarTuli ocneba” ukve warmavalia,
es rom gardauvalia, amas
Tavadac xvdebian da axla Zalis
gamoyenebiT cdoloben, rom xelisuflebaSi
yofna rogorme
gaixangrZlivon. es didxans ar
gagrZeldeba. Zalian male dasruldebian.
_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom
male dasruldebian?
_ „qarTuli ocnebis” yvela
qmedeba miuTiTebs, rom maTi
mmarTveloba dasasruls miuaxlovda.
is adamianebi, romlebic
samoqalaqo aqtivistebs devnian,
kanonis winaSe ageben pasuxs. isini
qarTveli xalxis winaSe imis
gamo ageben pasuxs, rom Cveni
qveyana, faqtobrivad, ruseTis
guberniad aqcies. es xalxi da es
qveyana damoukideblobas ar da-
Tmobs. ukve meored CaiSala evrokavSiris
egidiT gamarTuli
molaparakebebi. meore raundsac
danielsoni xelmZRvanelobda.
CaSlili molaparakebebidan gamosulma
danielsonma Tqva, saqarTvelos
hyavs Zalian kargi Jurnalistebi
da sazogadoeba da
maT unda daweron axali furcelio.
es pirdapiri miniSneba iyo
imaze, rom es qveyana Cveni gadasarCenia
da am qveynis gadasarCenad
unda vibrZoloT. ukve wlebia,
vibrZvi am qveynisTvis, Cems
megobrebTan erTad am brZolas
momavalSic gavagrZeleb. saer-
Tod ar mainteresebs, ras ityvis
Cemze korumpirebuli Cinosani,
romelic axla qveynis umaRless
sakanonmdeblo organoSi zis.
_ Tqveni moZraoba „Secvale”
„nacionalebTan” asocirdeba.
„ocnebis” logikiT, vinc xe-
lisuflebas akritikebs, „nacia”.
erTi rame mainteresebs, vaJa-
fSavela xom gaqvT wakiTxuli?
_ ra Tqma unda, wakiTxuli
maqvs, magram es ra SuaSia Cems aqtivobasTan,
raRac ver gavige.
_ es imitom gkiTxeT, rom
irakli kobaxiZem Tqva, „naci”
Tavisi bunebiT antivaJaa da vi-
sac vaJa wakiTxuli aqvs, „naci”
ver iqnebao.
_ irakli kobaxiZes ar aqvs,
etyoba, vaJa wakiTxuli an waikiTxa
da Sinaarsi ver gamoitana.
okupaciisa da ukanonobis gaprotesteba
Tu „nacobaa”, viqnebi
„naci”. ise, mainteresebs, vaJam
sad dawera, rom okupants unda
umaspinZloo? „ocnebaSi” iseTi
xalxia, sadme amoikiTxavdnen. magaT
Tavisi kanonebi aqvT da Tavisi
mwerlebi hyavT. Tavisi mwerlebi
dawerdnen okupant-maspin-
Zlobaze da hgoniaT, rom vaJam
dawera. arCil TalakvaZis poeziaze
gazrdili „ocneba” vaJas
nu gvaswavlis.
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