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generalur prokurors, Ss ministrs,

komitetis Tavmjdomares.

_ ki batono, magram am san-

qciebma ruseTs an, Tundac, am

konkretul adamianebs ra daak-

lo?

_ Cveni Tavi ruseTs ar SevadaroT.

_ ukacravad, ver vxvdebi,

Sedareba ra SuaSia?

_ ruseTi imperiaa.

_ diax, es vici.

_ ruseTs Sida bazari aqvs,

Cven ki vin varT?! ise, albaT,

gaxsovT, riSma ra Tqva.

_ rao, ra Tqva?

_ Tu ruseTisTvis sanqciebis

daweseba droSi gawelili Temaa,

saqarTveloze sanqciebis gavlena

SegviZliao.

_ vTqvaT, saqarTvelos, uf-

ro konkretulad, gavlenian qa-

rTvel maRalCinosnebsa da aseve

maTac, romlebic politikas

kuluarebidan „akeTeben”, san-

qciebi dauwesdaT, es qveyanas da

mis mosaxleobas ras moutans?

_ getyviT, Tu situacia ar

dalagda, momaval sam TveSi rac

gvelis.

_ mainc, ra gvelis?

_ Tanxebis gaCereba, aseve gancxadebebi

imaze, rom saqarTvelo

evrokavSirisa da natosken

ar miiswrafis, aseve pirovnuli

sanqciebi. axla, gekiTxebiT: yvelafer

amis Semdeg me an Tqven Sin

davsxdebiT?

_ aba, ras vizamT?

_ quCaSi davdgebiT!

_ paata, momiteveT da, es e. w.

warmosaxviTi realoba xom ar

aris?

_ ara! quCaSi politikuri partiebi

ki ara, xalxi dadgeba! Tu

erTi dolari xuTi lari gaxda,

xalxi quCaSi gamova, aba, ras

izams?! mniSvneloba ar aqvs, qu-

CaSi ramdeni adamiani iqneba, magram

Tu vinmes Tmis erTi Reric

Camovardeba, eWvic ar mepareba,

rom sazogadoebas veRaravin

gaaCerebs!

_ am msjelobaSi logika aris,

miT umetes, analitikosTa nawilic

ambobs, „ocnebas” dasavle-

Tis gancxadebebis ki ara, mx-

olod xalxis quCaSi gamosvlis

eSiniao. paata, Tu am versias

iziarebT, maSin, rogorc

opoziciis erT-erTma liderma,

amixseniT, aqcia 15 maisamde ra-

tom gadadeT?

_ ara, am scenarisken ar mivdivar

da minda, sworad gamigoT,

anu ar msurs, rom qveyanaSi movlenebi

ase ganviTardes, radgan

qveynis imiji daziandeba, ris aRdgenasac

aTi weli mainc dasWirdeba!

Tu procesebi am scenariT

ganviTarda, maSin opoziciaze

damokidebuli araferi

iqneba.

_ aba, am arasasurvel movle-

nebze pasuxismgebloba vin unda

aiRos, xalxma?

_ ra Tqma unda, opoziciuri

liderebic iqnebian, magram vgr-

Znob da vxedav, rom yvelafers

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yveta provokacia iyo!~ `yvelafer amis miuxedavad, `ocneba~ reformebis gatarebas ar apirebs da

dasavleli partniorebi swored amas ver gebuloben, anu isini fiqroben, Tu

imas ar akeTeb, rasac geubnebiT, e. i., CvenTan Tanacxovreba da, Sesabamisad,

Cveni fulic ar gindao. saerTod, fuls mxolod saWmlisTvis ki ara, im

reformebisTvisac gvaZleven, romelic qveyanas gaaumjobesebs da evropasTan

daaaxloebs. mokled, Tu yvelaferi es ar ginda, e. i. ruseTi ginda. mesame

gza ar arsebobs!~

xalxi gadawyvets. sxvaTa Soris,

igive 2003 weli gavixsenoT _

xalxi gabrzada da quCaSi gamovida.

albaT, isic gaxsovT, maSin

xalxi ramac gaabraza.

_ ram gaabraza?

_ SevardnaZem xalxs uTxra,

gverdebi ar agidgeT, sanam me ar

gadavdgebio. ai, magaliTad, is,

rac volskim gaakeTa, yvelas

abrazebs.

_ aqciis monawileebisTvis

uxerxuli Jestis Cvenebas

gulisxmobT?

_ diax.

_ ki batono, abrazebs, magram

paata, politikosebi, mgoni, sxva

saqarTveloSi cxovrobT, anu

marTalia, ekonomikuri gaWirvebaa,

magram xalxs aRarc xelisuflebis

sjera da aRarc _ opo-

ziciis. erTi sityviT, qveyanaSi

nihilizmia da opozicias ratom

hgonia, rom xalxi quCaSi gamova?

_ is scenari dagixateT, roca

sanqciebi dawesdeba da finansebi

gaCerdeba.

_ evropuli dafinansebis Sew-

`ra mniSvneloba aqvs, kerZo viziti iyo Tu

oficialuri? ucxo qveynis moqalaqe, romelic

Cvens saxelmwifoebriobasa da konstituciur

principebs safrTxes uqmnis, gvaqvs ufleba,

saqarTveloSi ar SemovuSvaT!~

yveta yvelaze metad sabiujeto

organizaciebze aisaxeba, rasac,

minimum, xelfasebis gayinva mo-

hyveba. e. i., bnel 90-ianebSi

davbrundebiT, ara?

_ ara, saqme ase martivad ar

aris. finansebis Sewyveta mxolod

sabiujeto organizaciebs

ki ar Seexeba, aramed mTel

sistemas da problemac swored

esaa. weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

piradad me am scenaris momxre ar

var, magram aqeTken xelisuflebas

mihyavs saqme!

xalxis afeTqeba SesaZloa,

iseTi patara ramis gamo moxdes,

rom es veRaravin gaakontrolos!

yvelaferi es SesaZloa, xval an,

sulac, xuTi-eqvsi Tvis Semdeg

moxdes, magram, samwuxarod, yvelaferi

aqeTken midis!

_ imeds vitoveb, rom es

prognozi ar gamarTldeba... ise,

paata, mainc, ras fiqrob, mola-

parakebebi ratom CaiSala? sxva-

Ta Soris, umravlesobis wevrma

kaxa kuWavam mediaholding

„qronika+“-is

sainformacio

saagento CNews-isTvis micemul

interviuSi pirdapir ganacxada,

_ „ocneba” arCevnebis Temis

ganxilvis winaaRmdegi ar iyo,

magram es opoziciam CaSala da

xalxi male yvelafers gaigeb-

so...

_ simarTle giTxraT, detalebi

ar vici, radgan molaparakebebSi

ar vmonawileobdi, magram

Tu „ocnebas” problemis mogvareba

surda, evrokavSiris

gareSec milioni formati arsebobs,

rom mTeli opoziciisTvis

_ kvalificiuri partiebi iqnebodnen

Tu arakvalificiuri,

daeZaxa, damjdariyo da, minimum,

saarCevno kodeqsi ganexila, magram

„ocnebam” es ar gaakeTa da

opoziciur partiebs eubneba,

jer parlamentSi SemodiT da

mere vilaparakoTo.

_ hoda, adges es opoziciac

da Sevides parlamentSi!

_ es xalxi „ocnebas” ar endoba!

amitom Zalian martivia,

yvelaferi sxvas daabralo. imis

kontroli ki rTulia, vin sad

ra Tqva.

_ paata, e. w. pozneris skan-

dalzec unda gkiTxoT, anu xom

ar uSvebT versias, rom putinis

propagandisti Jurnalistis

TbilisSi Camosvla rusuli

specsamsaxurebis operacia iyo?

kerZod, ruseTSi moqmedebs

kanoni, romlis Tanaxmadac,

kremli valdebulia, nebismier

ucxo qveyanaSi sakuTari moqalaqeebis

usafrTxoeba daic-

vas. hoda, TbilisSi Camosul

poznerisTvis, igive moskovis

xelSewyobiT, vinmes rame rom

daeSavebina, es putinisTvis xom

erTgvari sababi gaxdeboda, miT

umetes, Tbilisidan 40 kilo-

metrSi okupantebis jari dgas...

_ Tqvens kiTxvas asi procentiT

vawer xels: diax, pirdapir

Cans, rom pozneris viziti gamzadebuli

provokacia iyo, magram

sakiTxavia, es provokacia visTvis

da risTvis sWirdebodaT?

_ Tqveni azriT, visTvis da

risTvis sWirdebodaT?

_ am kiTxvaze pasuxisgan Tavs

Sevikaveb.

_ ratom?

_ informacia ar maqvs, Tumca

movlenebis ganviTarebas vakvirdebi

da yvelaferi zogierTis

garkveuli qmedebis mere gamoCndeba.

_ „zogierTSi” vis gulisx-

mobT?

_ saqarTveloSi ÎÐÒ-s («Îáùåñòâåííîå

ðîññèéñêîå òåëåâèäåíèå»)

„piarsastavi” Camodis, romelmac

Zalian kargad icis, rom pandemiaa,

isic icis, rom 31 marti zviad

gamsaxurdias dabadebis da

referendumis dRea, anu 31-Si

saqarTveloSi isini Camovidnen,

vinc sabWoTa kavSiris mexotbeebi

iyvnen da axlac sabWoTa kav-

Sirs Senatrian! ai, swored aqedan

Cans, rom es viziti pirdapiri

provokacia iyo. sxvaTa Soris,

Zalian advili gasaTvleli gaxldaT,

rom sazogadoebas aseTi

reaqcia eqneboda, magram axla

davelodoT da vnaxoT, yvelafer

amas ra mohyveba. amis Semdeg

ki ukve SemeZleba, gavce kiTxvaze

pasuxi, _ pozneris viziti risTvis

da visTvis sWirdebodaT?!

_ ise, albaT, yuradReba mi-

aqcieT saqarTvelos premieris

gancxadebas, romelmac Tqva, pozners

okupaciis kanoni ar daurRvevia,

radgan is aSS-is moqalaqeao.

paata, okupaciis kanoni

mxolod ruseTis moqalaqeebze

vrcldeba Tu sxva, magali-

Tad, aSS-is, britaneTisa Tu sa-

frangeTis moqalaqeebzec?

_ ara! am kanonis erT-erTi

Tanaavtori var da is mxolod

ruseTis ki ara, nebismieri qveynis

moqalaqeze vrceldeba,

romelic okupirebul afxazeT-

Si yofnis Semdeg saqarTveloSi

Camova! sxvaTa Soris, azerbaijanisa

da igive Cvens konstituciaSic

weria, rom Tu qveyana-

Si arakeTilmosurne adamiani

Semodis da situacias politikurad

Zabavs, saxelmwifos

ufleba aqvs, ar SemouSvas igi da

amas specialuri kanoni arc

sWirdeba.

pozneri kremlis ideologia,

romlis Camosvlam Cveni qveynis

stabilurobas SesaZloa, safrTxe

Seuqmnas. amitom poznerisTvis

Tavisuflad SegveZlo

gveTqva, qveyanaSi ar giSvebTo.

_ saxelmwifo Tavs imarT-

lebs, es kerZo viziti iyo da me

rogor unda gamekontrolebi-

nao?..

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, kerZo

viziti iyo Tu oficialuri?

ucxo qveynis moqalaqe, romelic

Cvens saxelmwifoebriobasa da

konstituciur principebs safrTxes

uqmnis, gvaqvs ufleba,

saqarTveloSi ar SemovuSvaT!

_ pozneri da misi Tanmxlebi

pirebis nawili 2000-2000 lariT

daajarimes. jarimis gadasax-

delad ra meqanizmi arsebobs?

_ Tu es jarima ar gadauxdia,

Tu saqarTveloSi odesme kidev

Camovida, sanam ar gadaixdis,

sazRvars ver datovebs.

_ anu qveyanaSi aRar SemouS-

veben?

_ ara, aqedan aRar gauSveben.

_ axla amaze saubari Rimilis

momgvreli Tundac imitomaa,

rom xelisuflebas pozneris

dasja rom sdomeboda, manamde

daajarimebda, sanam igi saqarT-

velos datovebda...

_ diax, asea... saerTod, Tavisuflad

SeeZloT, jarima gamgzavrebis

dros gamoeweraT da es

2000 lari pirdapir sazRvarze

gadaexdevinebinaT...

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