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generalur prokurors, Ss ministrs,
komitetis Tavmjdomares.
_ ki batono, magram am san-
qciebma ruseTs an, Tundac, am
konkretul adamianebs ra daak-
lo?
_ Cveni Tavi ruseTs ar SevadaroT.
_ ukacravad, ver vxvdebi,
Sedareba ra SuaSia?
_ ruseTi imperiaa.
_ diax, es vici.
_ ruseTs Sida bazari aqvs,
Cven ki vin varT?! ise, albaT,
gaxsovT, riSma ra Tqva.
_ rao, ra Tqva?
_ Tu ruseTisTvis sanqciebis
daweseba droSi gawelili Temaa,
saqarTveloze sanqciebis gavlena
SegviZliao.
_ vTqvaT, saqarTvelos, uf-
ro konkretulad, gavlenian qa-
rTvel maRalCinosnebsa da aseve
maTac, romlebic politikas
kuluarebidan „akeTeben”, san-
qciebi dauwesdaT, es qveyanas da
mis mosaxleobas ras moutans?
_ getyviT, Tu situacia ar
dalagda, momaval sam TveSi rac
gvelis.
_ mainc, ra gvelis?
_ Tanxebis gaCereba, aseve gancxadebebi
imaze, rom saqarTvelo
evrokavSirisa da natosken
ar miiswrafis, aseve pirovnuli
sanqciebi. axla, gekiTxebiT: yvelafer
amis Semdeg me an Tqven Sin
davsxdebiT?
_ aba, ras vizamT?
_ quCaSi davdgebiT!
_ paata, momiteveT da, es e. w.
warmosaxviTi realoba xom ar
aris?
_ ara! quCaSi politikuri partiebi
ki ara, xalxi dadgeba! Tu
erTi dolari xuTi lari gaxda,
xalxi quCaSi gamova, aba, ras
izams?! mniSvneloba ar aqvs, qu-
CaSi ramdeni adamiani iqneba, magram
Tu vinmes Tmis erTi Reric
Camovardeba, eWvic ar mepareba,
rom sazogadoebas veRaravin
gaaCerebs!
_ am msjelobaSi logika aris,
miT umetes, analitikosTa nawilic
ambobs, „ocnebas” dasavle-
Tis gancxadebebis ki ara, mx-
olod xalxis quCaSi gamosvlis
eSiniao. paata, Tu am versias
iziarebT, maSin, rogorc
opoziciis erT-erTma liderma,
amixseniT, aqcia 15 maisamde ra-
tom gadadeT?
_ ara, am scenarisken ar mivdivar
da minda, sworad gamigoT,
anu ar msurs, rom qveyanaSi movlenebi
ase ganviTardes, radgan
qveynis imiji daziandeba, ris aRdgenasac
aTi weli mainc dasWirdeba!
Tu procesebi am scenariT
ganviTarda, maSin opoziciaze
damokidebuli araferi
iqneba.
_ aba, am arasasurvel movle-
nebze pasuxismgebloba vin unda
aiRos, xalxma?
_ ra Tqma unda, opoziciuri
liderebic iqnebian, magram vgr-
Znob da vxedav, rom yvelafers
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yveta provokacia iyo!~ `yvelafer amis miuxedavad, `ocneba~ reformebis gatarebas ar apirebs da
dasavleli partniorebi swored amas ver gebuloben, anu isini fiqroben, Tu
imas ar akeTeb, rasac geubnebiT, e. i., CvenTan Tanacxovreba da, Sesabamisad,
Cveni fulic ar gindao. saerTod, fuls mxolod saWmlisTvis ki ara, im
reformebisTvisac gvaZleven, romelic qveyanas gaaumjobesebs da evropasTan
daaaxloebs. mokled, Tu yvelaferi es ar ginda, e. i. ruseTi ginda. mesame
gza ar arsebobs!~
xalxi gadawyvets. sxvaTa Soris,
igive 2003 weli gavixsenoT _
xalxi gabrzada da quCaSi gamovida.
albaT, isic gaxsovT, maSin
xalxi ramac gaabraza.
_ ram gaabraza?
_ SevardnaZem xalxs uTxra,
gverdebi ar agidgeT, sanam me ar
gadavdgebio. ai, magaliTad, is,
rac volskim gaakeTa, yvelas
abrazebs.
_ aqciis monawileebisTvis
uxerxuli Jestis Cvenebas
gulisxmobT?
_ diax.
_ ki batono, abrazebs, magram
paata, politikosebi, mgoni, sxva
saqarTveloSi cxovrobT, anu
marTalia, ekonomikuri gaWirvebaa,
magram xalxs aRarc xelisuflebis
sjera da aRarc _ opo-
ziciis. erTi sityviT, qveyanaSi
nihilizmia da opozicias ratom
hgonia, rom xalxi quCaSi gamova?
_ is scenari dagixateT, roca
sanqciebi dawesdeba da finansebi
gaCerdeba.
_ evropuli dafinansebis Sew-
`ra mniSvneloba aqvs, kerZo viziti iyo Tu
oficialuri? ucxo qveynis moqalaqe, romelic
Cvens saxelmwifoebriobasa da konstituciur
principebs safrTxes uqmnis, gvaqvs ufleba,
saqarTveloSi ar SemovuSvaT!~
yveta yvelaze metad sabiujeto
organizaciebze aisaxeba, rasac,
minimum, xelfasebis gayinva mo-
hyveba. e. i., bnel 90-ianebSi
davbrundebiT, ara?
_ ara, saqme ase martivad ar
aris. finansebis Sewyveta mxolod
sabiujeto organizaciebs
ki ar Seexeba, aramed mTel
sistemas da problemac swored
esaa. weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,
piradad me am scenaris momxre ar
var, magram aqeTken xelisuflebas
mihyavs saqme!
xalxis afeTqeba SesaZloa,
iseTi patara ramis gamo moxdes,
rom es veRaravin gaakontrolos!
yvelaferi es SesaZloa, xval an,
sulac, xuTi-eqvsi Tvis Semdeg
moxdes, magram, samwuxarod, yvelaferi
aqeTken midis!
_ imeds vitoveb, rom es
prognozi ar gamarTldeba... ise,
paata, mainc, ras fiqrob, mola-
parakebebi ratom CaiSala? sxva-
Ta Soris, umravlesobis wevrma
kaxa kuWavam mediaholding
„qronika+“-is
sainformacio
saagento CNews-isTvis micemul
interviuSi pirdapir ganacxada,
_ „ocneba” arCevnebis Temis
ganxilvis winaaRmdegi ar iyo,
magram es opoziciam CaSala da
xalxi male yvelafers gaigeb-
so...
_ simarTle giTxraT, detalebi
ar vici, radgan molaparakebebSi
ar vmonawileobdi, magram
Tu „ocnebas” problemis mogvareba
surda, evrokavSiris
gareSec milioni formati arsebobs,
rom mTeli opoziciisTvis
_ kvalificiuri partiebi iqnebodnen
Tu arakvalificiuri,
daeZaxa, damjdariyo da, minimum,
saarCevno kodeqsi ganexila, magram
„ocnebam” es ar gaakeTa da
opoziciur partiebs eubneba,
jer parlamentSi SemodiT da
mere vilaparakoTo.
_ hoda, adges es opoziciac
da Sevides parlamentSi!
_ es xalxi „ocnebas” ar endoba!
amitom Zalian martivia,
yvelaferi sxvas daabralo. imis
kontroli ki rTulia, vin sad
ra Tqva.
_ paata, e. w. pozneris skan-
dalzec unda gkiTxoT, anu xom
ar uSvebT versias, rom putinis
propagandisti Jurnalistis
TbilisSi Camosvla rusuli
specsamsaxurebis operacia iyo?
kerZod, ruseTSi moqmedebs
kanoni, romlis Tanaxmadac,
kremli valdebulia, nebismier
ucxo qveyanaSi sakuTari moqalaqeebis
usafrTxoeba daic-
vas. hoda, TbilisSi Camosul
poznerisTvis, igive moskovis
xelSewyobiT, vinmes rame rom
daeSavebina, es putinisTvis xom
erTgvari sababi gaxdeboda, miT
umetes, Tbilisidan 40 kilo-
metrSi okupantebis jari dgas...
_ Tqvens kiTxvas asi procentiT
vawer xels: diax, pirdapir
Cans, rom pozneris viziti gamzadebuli
provokacia iyo, magram
sakiTxavia, es provokacia visTvis
da risTvis sWirdebodaT?
_ Tqveni azriT, visTvis da
risTvis sWirdebodaT?
_ am kiTxvaze pasuxisgan Tavs
Sevikaveb.
_ ratom?
_ informacia ar maqvs, Tumca
movlenebis ganviTarebas vakvirdebi
da yvelaferi zogierTis
garkveuli qmedebis mere gamoCndeba.
_ „zogierTSi” vis gulisx-
mobT?
_ saqarTveloSi ÎÐÒ-s («Îáùåñòâåííîå
ðîññèéñêîå òåëåâèäåíèå»)
„piarsastavi” Camodis, romelmac
Zalian kargad icis, rom pandemiaa,
isic icis, rom 31 marti zviad
gamsaxurdias dabadebis da
referendumis dRea, anu 31-Si
saqarTveloSi isini Camovidnen,
vinc sabWoTa kavSiris mexotbeebi
iyvnen da axlac sabWoTa kav-
Sirs Senatrian! ai, swored aqedan
Cans, rom es viziti pirdapiri
provokacia iyo. sxvaTa Soris,
Zalian advili gasaTvleli gaxldaT,
rom sazogadoebas aseTi
reaqcia eqneboda, magram axla
davelodoT da vnaxoT, yvelafer
amas ra mohyveba. amis Semdeg
ki ukve SemeZleba, gavce kiTxvaze
pasuxi, _ pozneris viziti risTvis
da visTvis sWirdebodaT?!
_ ise, albaT, yuradReba mi-
aqcieT saqarTvelos premieris
gancxadebas, romelmac Tqva, pozners
okupaciis kanoni ar daurRvevia,
radgan is aSS-is moqalaqeao.
paata, okupaciis kanoni
mxolod ruseTis moqalaqeebze
vrcldeba Tu sxva, magali-
Tad, aSS-is, britaneTisa Tu sa-
frangeTis moqalaqeebzec?
_ ara! am kanonis erT-erTi
Tanaavtori var da is mxolod
ruseTis ki ara, nebismieri qveynis
moqalaqeze vrceldeba,
romelic okupirebul afxazeT-
Si yofnis Semdeg saqarTveloSi
Camova! sxvaTa Soris, azerbaijanisa
da igive Cvens konstituciaSic
weria, rom Tu qveyana-
Si arakeTilmosurne adamiani
Semodis da situacias politikurad
Zabavs, saxelmwifos
ufleba aqvs, ar SemouSvas igi da
amas specialuri kanoni arc
sWirdeba.
pozneri kremlis ideologia,
romlis Camosvlam Cveni qveynis
stabilurobas SesaZloa, safrTxe
Seuqmnas. amitom poznerisTvis
Tavisuflad SegveZlo
gveTqva, qveyanaSi ar giSvebTo.
_ saxelmwifo Tavs imarT-
lebs, es kerZo viziti iyo da me
rogor unda gamekontrolebi-
nao?..
_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, kerZo
viziti iyo Tu oficialuri?
ucxo qveynis moqalaqe, romelic
Cvens saxelmwifoebriobasa da
konstituciur principebs safrTxes
uqmnis, gvaqvs ufleba,
saqarTveloSi ar SemovuSvaT!
_ pozneri da misi Tanmxlebi
pirebis nawili 2000-2000 lariT
daajarimes. jarimis gadasax-
delad ra meqanizmi arsebobs?
_ Tu es jarima ar gadauxdia,
Tu saqarTveloSi odesme kidev
Camovida, sanam ar gadaixdis,
sazRvars ver datovebs.
_ anu qveyanaSi aRar SemouS-
veben?
_ ara, aqedan aRar gauSveben.
_ axla amaze saubari Rimilis
momgvreli Tundac imitomaa,
rom xelisuflebas pozneris
dasja rom sdomeboda, manamde
daajarimebda, sanam igi saqarT-
velos datovebda...
_ diax, asea... saerTod, Tavisuflad
SeeZloT, jarima gamgzavrebis
dros gamoeweraT da es
2000 lari pirdapir sazRvarze
gadaexdevinebinaT...
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