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gamarginalebas uwyobs xels~
awliani codva ar awevs, magram
mainc araa gulwrfeli. Cvens sazogadoebas
SesaZloa, politikuri
ganaTleba aklia, magram
xalxi kargad xvdeba, rodis atyueb.
mosaxleobas siaxle unda.
gaxarias am viTarebaSi Sansebi
aqvs.
_ ratom unda hqondes gaxar-
ias Sansebi? arc axali saxea da
Tan ruseTumes iarliyi akeria.
_ ruseTumes rom eZaxian, aman
SeiZleba sawinaaRmdego efeqti
moitanos da gaxarias wisqvilze
daasxas wyali.
_ ranairad?
_ axla saqarTveloSi Zalian
mZime viTarebaa. mosaxleobas
ekonomikurad Zalian uWirs. adamianebis
didi nawili aRar
fiqrobs imaze, rom saqarTvelo
evroatlantikur aliansSi gawevriandes.
xalxi fiqrobs saku-
Tar kuWze. amiT Seuracxyofas
aravis viyeneb, magram realoba
aseTia. viRacebi xalxs eubnebian,
rom male evroatlantikur
aliansSi gavwevriandebiT. xalxs
ainteresebs, dRes ra unda Wamos.
Cveni sazogadoebis nawils
axsovs sabWoTa kavSiri. axsovs
isic, rom sabWoTa kavSiris dros
kargad cxovrobdnen, maSin aravis
Sioda. axla arian mSivrebi.
gaxariaze Tu daiwyeba saubari,
rom rusebis kacia, xelisuflebaSi
mis mosvlas raRac jgufebi
gaaprotesteben, mosaxleoba ki
yofil premiers dauWers mxars.
zustad ar vici, ra da rogor
iqneba, magram gaxaria Sedegs rom
dadebs, amaSi eWvi ar mepareba.
_ gaxaria raRac Sedegs rom
dadebs amis opoziciasac eSinia
da „ocnebasac”.
_ „ocnebaSi” gaxariasTan mimarTebiT
gaurkvevlobis momentic
aqvT. realurad ar ician, ruse-
Tis kacia, dasavleTis Tu ivaniSvilis.
masTan TanamSromlobis
survili iseTma adamianebmac gamoTqves,
rom aSkaraa, xelwamosakravi
gundi ar eyoleba. es adamiani
iyo jer ekonomikisa da Ss
ministri, Semdeg premieri. mTavrobaSi
misi muSaoba warmatebasTan
ar asocirdeba, aranairi garRveviT
ar dagvamaxsovra Tavi.
_ man Tvalebis daTxriT da
Tvalis CapaWunebiT dagvamaxs-
ovra Tavi.
_ am adamians kargad aqvs Seswavlili
xalxis ganwyobebi. flobs
oratorul xelovnebas da
amiT gadis fons, Torem misi mo-
Rvaweoba xelisuflebaSi warmatebasTan
ar asocirdeba. kobaxiZeebisa
da mdinaraZeebis fonze
Zalian kargad gamoiyureba.
_ kobaxiZis fonze giga bokeriac
ki simpaTiurad gamoiyureba
da gaxaria kargad rom Can-
des, ra gasakviria.
_ asea. imdeni qnes, xalxs giga
bokeria Seayvares. mTavrobaSi
warumatebeli moRvaweobis miuxedavad,
gaxarias perspeqtiva
aqvs. „ocnebis” amomrCevelsac
aRar unda „ocneba”. „ocneba”
aRar undaT, magram „nacebs” ver
miscemen xmas, amitom adgebian da
gaxariasken wavlen. yofil premierzec
bevri ram iqneba damokidebuli.
man raRac ganmartebebic
unda gaakeTos.
_ ra unda ganmartos?
_ pirvel rigSi, 20 ivnisTan
dakavSirebul kiTxvebs unda
gasces pasuxi. yvelam viciT, rom
ivaniSvilis nebarTvis gareSe
aqciis monawileebs tyviebs ar
dauSendnen. faqtia, rom srolis
dawyebaze brZanebis gacema gaxariam
aiRo sakuTar Tavze. Tu
marTla Tavis Tavze aiRo, unda
gviTxras, ratom moiqca ase? 20
ivnisze gakeTebuli gancxadebidan
gamoCndeba, daupirispirda
Tu ara realurad ivaniSvils da
ramdenad damoukidebeli figuraa
igi.
_ marto es ganmartebebi ar
iqneba sakmarisi. isic mniS-
vnelovania, Tu vis daiyenebs es
adamiani gverdiT.
_ es mTavaria. 21-e saukunea da
teqnologiebis epoqaa. investiciebia
mosazidi. axla xalxs
realurad sWirdeba saqmis
gamkeTebeli adamianebi da ara
araseriozulebi da giJebi. giga
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`petre caava da misi garemocva gamudmebiT lanZRaven saqarTvelos
patriarqs. opozicia unda cdilobdes, rom Sualeduri amomrCeveli
wamoiyvanos Tavisken. RmerTic rom ar swamdes da patriarqs ver itandes,
maT xmebze nadiroba da maTi gulis mogeba wminda wylis pragmatuli
gaTvlaa. am dros petresa da vigindarebs uTmoben eTers. dRe ar gava ise,
caava romelime opoziciuri televiziis eTerSi ar ijdes~
`axla xalxs realurad sWirdeba saqmis
gamkeTebeli adamianebi da ara
araseriozulebi da giJebi. giga bokeria
saqarTveloSi bevrs ar uyvars, magram is
realurad saqmis mkeTebeli personaa~
bokeria saqarTveloSi bevrs ar
uyvars, magram is realurad saqmis
mkeTebeli personaa. dRes
saqarTvelos profesionali kadrebis
saWiroeba udgas. im kategoriis
xalxis xelSi, ra xalxic
„ocnebas” parlamentSi hyavs,
Cveni ekonomika srulad CamoiSleba.
gaxariamac Tu iseTive
monebis Zebna daiwyo, rogorebic
axla xelisuflebaSi arian, qveyana
daingreva. liderze bevri
ramea damokidebuli, magram
imasac aqvs mniSvneloba, Tu vis
daiyenebs lideri gverdiT.
zemoTac vTqvi da axlac
gavimeoreb, rom opozicia gamarginalda.
es kvlevebidanac kargad
Cans. xalxs yvela mobezrda.
„ocneba” xom TvaliT ar daenaxvebaT,
magram opoziciis yoveld-
Riuri dRis wesrigic yelSi
amouvidaT. opoziciis mimarT
Casafrebulis poziciidan ar
var, minda, rom gaimarjvon, magram
ar iqcevian sworad. velodebi,
ai, dRes Semoitanen rame
mniSvnelovan Temas, ai xval, magram
siaxle ar Cans. erTsa da
imaves saubroben. ar vici, profesionalizmi
ar hyofniT, ver
xvdebian Tu ar surT siaxleebi.
am dros xalxis dakveTa aris
sul sxva. xelisuflebaSi ar arian,
magram dRis wesrigi unda
Secvalon. aravisTvis damaluli
araa, rom opozicia da opoziciuri
arxebi erTad gegmaven sainformacio
politikas. am fonze
CemTvis cota gaugebaria, ratom
sxedan eTerebSi sul iago xviCia
da vaxo megreliSvili? am adamianebis
gapiareba opoziciis mimarT
ufro met undoblobas aCens.
opoziciis mimarT undoblobas
aZlierebs petre caavas faqtoric.
_ petre caavas faqtori
rogor azianebs opozicias?
_ petre caava da misi garemocva
gamudmebiT lanZRaven
saqarTvelos patriarqs. mediamac
da opoziciamac Zalian kargad
ician, rom amomrCevelSi
ilia meore udidesi reitingiT
sargeblobs. im xalxSi, visac patriarqi
uyvars, Zalian bevria e.
w. gadauwyveteli amomrCeveli.
opozicia unda cdilobdes, rom
Sualeduri amomrCeveli wamoiyvanos
Tavisken. RmerTic rom ar
swamdes da patriarqs ver itandes,
maT xmebze nadiroba da maTi
gulis mogeba wminda wylis pragmatuli
gaTvlaa. am dros petresa
da vigindarebs uTmoben eTers.
dRe ar gava ise, caava romelime
opoziciuri televiziis
eTerSi ar ijdes.
_ opoziciuri arxebi raxan
arian, petre caavas eTeri ar
unda dauTmon?
_ dauTmon, magram ar SeiZleba,
gamudmebiT is laparakobdes.
rodemde unda gvasmeninon patriarqis
lanZRva? es adamianebze
Zalian cudad moqmedebs.
petre caavasTvis eTeris daTmoba
imitomac mikvirs, rom igi yovelTvis
specsamsaxurebis dakveTiT
moqmedebda. ase iyo „nacionalebis”
dros, ase aris axlac.
adre Tu miSas miTiTebebs asrulebda,
dRes imas akeTebs, rac
ivaniSvils unda. opoziciurma
mediamac kargad icis, Tu vis
dakveTas asrulebs petre caava.
amitom mikvirs misi aseTi doziT
gaSuqeba. am dros am adamians
yvelaze naklebad xelisuflebis
mexotbe „teleimedi” aSuqebs.
iseTi STabeWdileba rCeba,
TiTqos petre caava opoziciis
dakveTiT lanZRavs patriarqs.
opoziciis reitings esec seriozulad
urtyams. mrevli iciT,
ras fiqrobs, rom opozicia xelisuflebaSi
rom movides, patriarqs
dauwyebs devnas. arada,
realurad, ivaniSvilis dakveTiT
lanZRavs petre ilia meores.
_ am fonze kobaxiZe, RaribaSvili
da wulukiani sul pa-
triarqsa da eklesias gaiZaxian.
_ marto ar gaiZaxian, cdiloben,
sul patriarqis gverdiT
itrialon. arada, maTac mSvenivrad
ician, rom patriarqs
biZina ebrZvis. xalxSi iseTi gawyoba
iqmneba, rom eklesias ebrZvis
opozicia. arada, opoziciis
did nawils SeiZleba, petresTan
urTierTobac ki ar aqvs.
_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom ar
aqvT?
_ ase mgonia. gigi ugulavam
ramdenjerme galanZRa petre
caava da Tqva, rom did unamusobas
akeTebso. magram xalxi amas
ukve aRar uyurebs. xalxi xedavs,
rom petre opoziciur arxebze
zis da iqedan lanZRavs patriarqs.
opozicia bevr Secdomas
uSvebs da amitomac moxda misi
gamarginaleba. amis miuxedavad,
verafriT daveTanxmebi evropelebs,
rom opoziciam qveyanaSi
arsebul krizisze xelisuflebasTan
erTad unda aiRos pasuxismgebloba.
arsebul krizisze
pasuxismgebeli aris „qarTuli
ocneba”. „qarTuli ocneba” rac
SeiZleba male unda gavuSvaT xelisuflebidan.
maT iseT WaobSi
CaZires qveyana, SevardnaZes rom
ar gaukeTebia.
_ Tqveni saubridan gamomdinare
Tu vimsjelebT, am-
Rvreul wyalSi yvelaze kargad
Tevzis daWera gaxarias SeuZlia.
_ es damokidebuli iqneba
imaze, droSi ramdenad Caeteva.
swraf nabijebs Tu gadadgams,
Tevzs namdvilad daiWers. naTqvamia,
puri manamde unda Caakra,
sanam Tone cxeliao.
_ isic xom naTqvamia, moC-
qares mougviandeso.
_ gasagebia, magram droSi
unda Caetios. axla gaxariasTvis
marTla xelsayreli droa.
raRac Sedegis misaRwevad marto
misi faqtori sakmarisi ar iqneba.
didi mniSvneloba aqvs, vin
iqneba mis gverdiT. gaxaria mTel
„ocnebaSi” kargad gamoiyureboda,
magram isic gamaRizianebelia,
sazogadoebis nawilma is lamis
mesiad rom gamoacxada. wlebis
ganmavlobaSi mTavrobaSi umaRlesi
postebi ekava, magram warmatebisTvis
ar miuRwevia. amis
miuxedavad, me rom viyo premieri,
mas aucileblad Seviyvandi
mTavrobaSi, iseve rogorc
irakli alasanias.
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