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nebas” Tu raime mniSvnelovani
winadadebebi eqneba samomavlod,
opozicia mzadaa, 24 saaTSi dajdes
magidasTan da ganixilos
nebismieri gonivruli winadadeba.
erTi adgilis tkepna Tu
gagrZeldeba, maSin molaparakebebs
azri ar aqvs.
_ molaparakebebs xelisu-
fleba, mgoni, aRarc apirebs.
danielsonos bolo vizitis Sem-
deg Tqves, rom daixura kario.
_ molaparakebebis kari „ocnebam”,
jer kidev, maSin daxura,
sanam danielsoni meored Camovidoda.
kaci briuselidan jer
gamofrenili ar iyo, rom
mmarTveli partia gaiZaxoda, ar
davilaparakebo.
_ sad Tqves, ar davilaparake-
bTo?
_ gaiZaxodnen, vadamdeli
arCevnebisa da patimrebis Tema
ar ganixilebao. arada, opoziciisTvis
es iyo umniSvnelovanesi
Temebi. Cven, pirvel rigSi, am
Temebze vapirebdiT saubars. ase
rom, „qarTulma ocnebam” molaparakebebis
magida, jer kidev,
manamde aayirava, sanam molaparakebebi
daiwyeboda.
_ es imis bralic xom araa,
opozicia mwvave protests rom
ar gamoxatavs? aqciebi jer
TebervalSi unda gagemarTaT da
martSi gadmowieT. martis
aqciebic gaauqmeT da axla 15
maisisTvis daaanonseT aqcia.
_ saprotesto aqciebi opoziciam
obieqturi mizezebis gamo
gadado. mimdinareobda molaparakebebi
da amis paralelurad
aqciebis momzadebas xom ar daviwyebdiT?
es aRqmuli iqneboda an
SantaJad an _ zewolad.
_ visi daSantaJeba dag-
braldebodaT?
_ xelisuflebis. es rom ar
dagvbraleboda, opoziciam
aqciebi gaaCera.
_ opozicias sjeroda, rom
molaparakebebi Sedegianad das-
ruldeboda?
_ ar viziarebdi am optimizms,
magram opoziciaSi iyvnen adamianebi,
romlebsac sjerodaT, rom
molaparakebebs raRac Sedegi
mohyveboda. saboloo jamSi, miviReT
gonivruli gadawyvetileba
da aqciebi gavaCereT. amas emateba
pandemia, romelic am procesze
Zalian negatiurad aisaxeba.
Cven yvelafers vakeTebT,
rom ar davarRvioT is wesebi,
romelic usafrTxoebis standartebs
uzrunvelyofs. vTqviT,
rom vidre molaparakebebi ar
dasruldeba, aqciebi ar iqneba.
molaparakebebis CaSlis meore
dResve gamovacxadeT aqciiis
TariRi.
_ aqcia 15 maisisTvis CainiS-
na. cota xom ar agvianebT?
_ gaviTvaliswineT, rom mZime
marxvaa da win aRgomis dResaswaulia,
amitom SevarCieT 15
maisi. es, Cemi azriT, swori gadawyvetilebaa.
_ marxva da aRdgoma ratom
uSlis xels aqciebs? 2009 wels
marxvaSi daiwyo opoziciam
aqciebi da aRdgomazec ar Sew-
yvetila protesti.
_ ase iyo, magram raRac taimauti
maSinac aviReT. aRdgomis
wina kviras aqtiuroba SevaCereT.
es erT kviras gagrZelda. axla
gamaxsenda, rom maSin bzobis wina
Rames moxda pirveli Setakeba
opoziciasa da xelisuflebas
Soris, rac Zalian cudi iyo. maSindel
xelisuflebas iseve ar
esmoda xalxisa da opoziciis,
rogorc dRevandel xelisuflebas
ar esmis. maSindelma xelisuflebam
Sesabamisadac daamTavra
Tavisi mmarTveloba. „qarTulma
ocnebam” SeiZleba, imaze cudad
daasrulos, vidre misma winamorbedma.
_ zeviT patimrebi axseneT.
giorgi ruruasa da nika meliaze
bevrs saubroben, magram gogi
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wulaias ar axseneben. Tqven da
kidev ramdenime liders es
sayveduri ar gekuTvniT, magram
opoziciis didi nawili arc ki
imCnevs wulaias dapatimrebas.
ratom darCa es adamiani yura-
dRebis miRma?
_ misi saqme Zalian delikaturia.
iseTi ambavia, sadac Wirs
mtyuan-marTlis garCeva. rasac
gogi wulaias abraleben, es 1%-
Tac rom simarTle iyos, amas
aranairi gamarTleba ar aqvs.
aseT danaSaulSi vinme samarTlianad
rom iyos braldebuli, sakuTari
partiis wevrsac ki ar
davicav. saqme is aris, rom wulaiasTan
dakavSirebiT eWvebi
Cndeba.
incidentis wina dRes batonma
gogim performansi moawyo
ivaniSvilebis ojaxTan mimarTe-
vadamdel arCevnebs~
`me am molaparakebebze ar damiSves, radgan formati `qarTuli ocnebis~
dabejiTebiTi Txovnis Sedegad SemuSavda. maT moiTxoves, rom iq me da kidev
ramdenime lideri ar vyofiliyaviT. maTic mesmis, isini formalurad
elaparakebian im partiebis warmomadgenlebs, romlebmac oficialuri
monacemebiT gadalaxes saarCevno barieri. Cemi an sxva lideris damateba
molaparakebebze iqneboda imis aRiareba, rom arCevnebi gayalbda. me gagebiT
movekide am ambavs, magram mimaCnia, rom es usamarTlobaa, radgan arCevnebis
Sedegebi dgas kiTxvis niSnis qveS~
`wulaiasTan dakavSirebiT eWvebi Cndeba.
incidentis wina dRes batonma gogim
performansi moawyo ivaniSvilebis ojaxTan
mimarTebiT. eWvebs aCens is mZime operacia,
romelic wulaias cota xnis winaT gaukeTes.
sinamdvileSi, ra moxda, amaze miWirs saubari,
magram eWvebi maqvs, rom saqme gvaqvs
politikur angariSsworebasTan~
biT. eWvebs aCens is mZime operacia,
romelic wulaias cota xnis
winaT gaukeTes. sinamdvileSi, ra
moxda, amaze miWirs saubari, magram
eWvebi maqvs, rom saqme gvaqvs
politikur angariSsworebasTan.
yvelaze didi problema swored
is aris, rom ar endobi xelisuflebasa
da gamoZiebas. aseT
dros giCndeba eWvi, rom adamiani
isjeba ara danaSaulisTvis,
aramed gansxvavebuli politikuri
SexedulebebisTvis.
_ patimrebis Temaze xelisufleba
Zalian aris gajiutebuli.
amas riT xsniT? nika meliaze
amboben, gadaixados girao
da gamovao. misgan gansx-
vavebiT, ruruas Sewyaleba xom
SesaZlebelia?
_ nika melia giraos ver gadaixdis.
ver gadaixdis imis gamo,
rom giraos dokumenti ukve
gauqmebulia. is Secvala patimrobis
dokumentma. amitom roca
„qarTuli ocneba” ambobs, gadaixados
nika meliam girao da gamovao,
es, ubralod, simarTles
ar Seesabameba. amasTan, es girao
melias ukve gadaxdili aqvs, meored
daakisres imave giraos
gadaxda, rac usamarTlobaa. nikas
pozicia aris Zalian principuli.
Cveni xelisufleba qveynis
krizisidan gamoyvanaze rom
fiqrobdes, gonivrul nabijebs
gadadgamda, rom msgavsi ram ar
momxdariyo. Cveni xelisuflebisgan
gonierebis imedi ar unda
gvqondes. isini patimrebis gan-
Tavisuflebaze Riad acxadeben
uars, arada, es opoziciisTvis
umniSvnelovanesi sakiTxia.
_ nika melias dakavebis operacias
ukavSirdeba premierobidan
giorgi gaxarias gadadgoma.
am adamianma politikaSi dabruneba
daaanonsa. jer ar viciT,
opoziciaSi wava, Tu ivaniS-
vilis proeqti iqneba. Tqven ras
fiqrobT misi gadawyvetilebis
Sesaxeb?
_ bunebrivia, am gadawyvetilebas
veTanxmebi da pativs vcem.
amasTan, mimaCnia, rom cota meti
principuloba unda gamoeCina. is
iyo premieri da mas martivad SeeZlo
im ministrebis ganTavisufleba,
romlebic mas ar emor-
Cilebodnen. rac Seexeba, ra mimarTulebas
airCevs is, amaze saubari
Zalian miWirs, radgan adamians
gancxadebac ki ar gaukeTebia
jer, mxolod is Tqva, rom
politikaSi rCeba. am etapze misi
arc Seqeba da arc gakritikeba
swori ar iqneba. is Tu damoukideblad
imoqmedebs, kargia, xolo
Tu ivaniSvils gamoayenebinebs
Tavs, Zalian samwuxaro iqneba.
_ aqciis gamarTvas apirebs
gia gaCeCilaZe. bevri fiqrobs,
rom es opoziciis winaaRmdeg
mimarTuli RonisZiebaa. Tqven
ras fiqrobT?
_ kargs arafers vfiqrob im
xalxze, romelic TavianTi
qmedebiT zurgs umagrebs adamians,
saqarTvelo sakuTar bostnad
rom gaadaaqcia. ivaniSvils
vinc amaSi xels uwyobs, imas Cemi
pativiscema ver eqneba. vcdilob,
am adamianebsac gavugo. sruliad
normaluria, rom viRacas ar
moswons „nacionaluri moZraoba“;
viRacas SeiZleba nino burjanaZe
ar moswons, magram sxvis
jibrze imis mowoneba, rac mosawoni
araa, ar SeiZleba. arc imaze
unda daxuWo Tvali, razedac
Tvalis daxuWva ar SeiZleba.
_ samoqalaqo dapirispirebis
safrTxezec saubroben. Tqveni
azriT, aris amis niSnebi?
_ imedi maqvs, rom saqme aqamde
ar miva. yvelaferi unda gavakeToT,
raTa samoqalaqo dapirispireba
gamoiricxos. es aris
yvelaze mZime ram, rac SeiZleba
qveyanas daemarTos. erTxel ukve
gamoviareT da es Wriloba dRemde
ver moviSuSeT. msgavsi ram am
qveyanaSi aRar unda ganmeordes.
yvelaze saSinel sizmarSic ki ar
minda amis naxva. xelisufleba
iseT nabijebs dgams, romelic
qveynis ganviTarebas uSlis xels.
samoqalaqo dapirispirebis safrTxec
arsebobs, magram mainc
mjera, rom saboloo jamSi
keTilgoniereba gaimarjvebs.
_ 15 maisis aqcias davubrun-
deT. ras elodeba opozicia am
aqciisgan?
_ axla yvelaze mniSvnelovania
Cveni sazogadoebis reaqcia.
amaze Cvenma ucxoelma partniorebmac
gviTxres. isini amboben,
rom maT surT ixilon ganviTarebuli
da demokratiuli saqarTvelo.
isini mzad arian dagvexmaron,
magram gveubnebian, rom
imaze metad ver iRelveben Cvenze,
vidre Cven unda viRelvoT
sakuTar Tavze.
Cven Tu im xalxis memkvidreebi
varT, romelmac es qveyana
dRemde moitana, maSin ar unda
avitanoT is, rom erTma mdidarma
kacma qveyana jibeSi Caidos. es
aris orjer ori oTxi. velodebi,
rom sazogadoeba iqneba aqtiuri
da Cven movipovebT vadamdel
arCevnebs. imaSic darwmunebuli
var, rom vadamdeli arCevnebi
Catardeba marTla Tavisuflad
da qveyanas eyoleba mravalpartiuli
parlamenti.
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