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daTvis im tyviebis srola, romelic
2019 wlis 20 ivniss ukve
vnaxeT. ise, poznerebi da davidoviCebi
saqarTveloSi elarjis
saWmelad ar Camosulan,
miT umetes, rom moskovSi 200
qarTuli restorania. amiT Sei-
Zleba, mxolod bavSvebi moatyuon!
_ batono kote, rusul nar-
ativze ar visaubroT, radgan
viRac aucileblad gagaxsen-
ebT, is kote kemularia ar
xarT, „vardebis revoluciis”
dros moskovSi rom waxvedi-
To?
_ ki batono, gamaxsenon!
adrec miTqvams da axlac gavimeoreb:
Cemi qveynis interesebis
sasargeblod wavedi, mixeil
saakaSvilTan SeTnxmebiTa da
misi uSualo gegmiT.
mokled, imiT, risTvisac
wavedi, axlac vamayob, sicocxlis
bolomdec viamayeb da
SviliSvilebsac movuyvebi!
moskovSic unda wavideT,
moskoveli diplomatebi aqac
unda Camovidnen da amas versad
gaveqceviT, radgan ruseTi Cveni
mezobelia, Tanac uzarmazari
mezobeli!
_ ruseTi damyrobeli mezo-
belia, kote batono!
_ aq laparakia Cumad molaparakebasa
da erTi adgilis
saSinel pozaSi daxvedrebaze.
sxvaTa Soris, Tavis droze,
gavrilovi gulwrfelad gabrazda,
_ kaco, sami Tve mexvewebodiT,
Camodio da es ra miqeni-
To? poznersac, daaxloebiT,
aseTi saxe hqonda... danamdvilebiT
viciT, rom pozneri
prezident salome zurabiSvils
unda Sexvedroda.
_ es raze mianiSnebs?
_ poznerisTvis sxva raRacebic
iyo momzadebuli, magram
samoqalaqo seqtoris Zalian
seriozulma aqtivobam yvelaferi
CaSala. xom naxeT, viola
fon kraunma ra Tqva, _ yvelaferi
es saSineli sanaxavi
iyoo. xalxi gamoketilia, mcire
biznesi ver muSaobs, 9 saaTis
mere erTmaneTTan ver mivsulvarT
da am dros „ÔÑÁ”-s razmi
da putinis uaxloesi adamianebi
aq beno qaSakaSvilis restoranSi
qeifoben! aq raze unda
vilaparakoT an saxelmwifo interesebi
sad aris?
_ CvenSi darCes da, veRar
gavige, es beno qaSakaSvili biznesmenia
Tu koronis dis-
tributori _ SarSan, albaT,
gaxsovT, romanovebs samgloviaro
sufra gauSala da... ko-
ronamac ifeTqa...
_ ki batono, swored maqedan
daiwyo da axla dazRveulebi
varT? _ koronis mxriv moskovsa
da, saerTod, mTel ruseT-
Si Zalian mZime mdgomareobaa.
am xalxs ki arc karantini gauvlia
da arc vinmes Seumowmebia.
Tqves, 42-dan 31 davajarimeTo,
e. i., dasajarimeblebi yofilan,
roca Tavidan amtkicebdnen,
kanoni ar daurRveviaTo.
_ sxvaTa Soris, pozneri da
misi amalis wevrebi saqarTve-
los xelisuflebam mxolod
mas Semdeg daajarima, rac maT
saqarTvelos sazRvrebi da-
toves...
_ Se mamacxonebulo, sanam
elene xoStaria ar mogadga, Sss
rom xar da specsamsaxuri, es
xalxi ratom ar daajarime da,
saerTod, ratom gamoatare?
_ ise, irakli kobaxiZem
elene xoStarias misamarTiT
ikiTxa, winmswrebad saidan gaigo,
pozneri TbilisSi rom Cam-
odiodao? anu amiT „ocnebis”
Tavmjdomarem imaze mianiSa, ai,
rusebTan kolaboraciaSi opo-
ziciaao. mmarTvelma gundma,
Tavis droze, gavrilovzec ig-
ive narativis gatareba scada...
_ informacia, ra Tqma unda,
Signidan Jonavs. ai, gaxaria gadadga,
maWavarianic gadadga da
cqitiSvilic...
_ saubari saiTken migyavT,
N5 (337) 5.04-18.04 .2021 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com
Seqmna araseriozulia~
`poznerebi da davidoviCebi saqarTveloSi elarjis saWmelad ar Camosulan,
miT umetes, rom moskovSi 200 qarTuli restorania. amiT SeiZleba, mxolod
bavSvebi moatyuon!~
batono kote?
_ SigniT iseTi ambavia, opozicias
Tavi rom moawonon, informaciis
mTeli niaRvari
modis! saerTod, roca xelisufleba
da partia moryeulia,
aseTi raRacebi gasakviri ar
aris da, ra Tqma unda, poznerzec
informacia viRacam miawoda.
ise, rom icodeT, informacia
mTlian programaze arsebobda.
_ e. i., gemi iZireba da „oc-
nebidan” gaqcevaze arian?
_ diax, gaqcevaze Zalian bevria.
_ Tqvens xelT arsebuli mo-
nacemebiT, uaxloes momavalSi
„ocnebas” vin datovebs, kaxa
kalaZe?
_ kalaZe ukve gamijnulia da
masze aRar vilaparakoT.
_ aba, visze vilaparakoT?
_ raionebsa da regionebSi
„ocnebis” wevrebi sakrebuloebidan
garbian. axla mTavari gax-
`gulwrfelad rom giTxraT, ivaniSvils
arafris Tavi aRar aqvs! amitom gaxariam
Tavidanve unda dasvas sakiTxi, rom
ivaniSvilisgan gamijnulia, Torem jer `biZina 1"
ra aris da warmoidgineT, `biZina 2" ra iqneba~
arias Temaa, anu quCaSi „ocnebis”
momxreebidan aTidan Svidi
adamiani imaze laparakobs, rom
gaxaria axal partias qmnis.
gaxariasgan arsena marabdelis
Seqmna araseriozuli mgonia,
magram „ocnebis” xalxs
imaze meti salaparako aRar
aqvs, Tu ras apirebs gaxaria.
_ isic gagebuli geqnebaT,
rom amboben, gaxariasgan „oc-
neba 2"-s ivaniSvili qmniso...
_ gulwrfelad rom
giTxraT, ivaniSvils arafris
Tavi aRar aqvs! amitom gaxariam
Tavidanve unda dasvas sakiTxi,
rom ivaniSvilisgan gamijnulia,
Torem jer „biZina 1"
ra aris da warmoidgineT, „biZina
2" ra iqneba.
_ mainc, ra iqneba?
_ „biZina 2" is buSti iqneba,
romelic Zalian male gaskdeba!
_ ratom?
_ „biZina 2"-is ukan arc
evropa dadgeba da arc _ aSS.
amitom mis ukan ruseTi unda
dadges, magram vikiTxoT...
_ ra vikiTxoT?
_ pozners jer epatiJebian,
mere ki ver icaven.
_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?
_ is, rac pozners TbilisSi
gaukeTes, mxolod peskovsa da
putinis garemocvas ar moewona,
Torem mTel rusul qseleb-
Si qarTvelebze weren, _ Tqven
genacvaleT, es saeWvo delegacia
Tbilisidan rom gamoapan-
RureTo.
mokled, aseTi ganwyoba aqvT
rusebs, romlebic realuri
turistebi arian da romlebsac
aravin erCis!
saerTod, rigiTi adamianebi
arasodes araferSi damnaSaveni
ar arian da es cnobili postulatia.
oligarqi romeli turistia?
oligarqia da turizmi
vis gaugia?
_ geTanxmebiT... batono
kote, weRan evrodeputatebis
gancxadebaze vsaubrobdiT,
romelSic ori mTavari mesijia
_ saqarTvelo-evrokavSiris
urTierTobis safrTxe da finansuri
sanqciebi. Tu dasavle-
Ti finansur daxmarebas Segviwyvets,
es imis tolfasi iqne-
ba, rom ukan, 90-ian wlebSi
davbrundebiT?
_ bolo 30 wlis ganmavloba-
Si „ocneba” pirveli mTavrobaa,
romlis drosac sanqciebis
Tema Tundac sajarod pirvelad
gaisma! amas xom „miRweva”
undoda?
Cven aRmosavleT partniorobis
_ evronestis wevrebi varT
da am gancxadebaze erT-erTi
xelmomweri swored evronestis
Tavmjdomarea, Tumca „ocnebas”
es ecotava. arada, dRevandel
evropul politikas swored es
adamianebi warmarTaven, Tumca
„ocnebas” amdeni ar esmis!
sanqciebis SemTxvevaSi dartymis
qveS 52 milioni evro dadgeba,
romelic evropis mier
Cveni soflis murneobis ganvi-
TarebisTvisaa gamoyofili. amxela
Tanxa safrTxis qveS rom
dadgeba, „ocnebam” xalxs ra
unda uyos?
_ e. i., SimSiloba da xalxis
quCaSi gamosvla gardauvalia?
_ Cven ukve vSimSilobT, magram
qarTveli kaci quCaSi imis
gamo arasodes gamova, mSiao,
Tumca saxelmwifoebriv da
erovnul sakiTxs aucileblad
ipovis, ris gamoc quCaSi gava da
politika, miT umetes, opozicia,
aRarafer SuaSi iqneba! yvelaze
Zalian swored es umar-
Tavi procesi maSinebs, Torem
weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, es
dapirispireba opozicias xelisuflebaSi
ar moiyvans!
sxvaTa Soris, aseT SemTxvevaSi,
xelisuflebaSi verc
„qarTuli ocneba” darCeba!
_ aba, marTvis sadaveebs vin
aiRebs?
_ es aravin icis... kitovani
gavixsenoT.
_ ukacravad, kitovani raRa
SuaSia?
_ kitovani xelisuflebaSi
darCa?
revolucia imas Wams, vinc am
revolucias awyobs da es Cveulebrivi
ambavia. safrangeTSic
ase iyo, germaniaSi da yvelgan.
opoziciaSi Zalian Wkviani
adamianebi arian da kargad
ician, rom saqme aqamde ar unda
mivides... ise, Tu gaxsovT, ramdenime
Tvis win erT-erT interviuSi
aprili da aSS-c vaxsene.
_ diax, maxsovs es interviu
da ai, ukve aprilia.
_ hoda, aprilSi an maisis
dasawyisSi aSS-is seriozuli
gaaqtiurebis mowmeni gavxdebiT!
es procesebi ukrainaSi ukve dawyebulia.
mokled, xelisufleba-
Si azrze ar arian, movlenebi
rogor ganviTardeba da samwuxarod,
bevrma sxvamac ar icis!
_ mTeli am politikuri
ajafsandalis bolo vadamde-
li arCevnebi iqneba?
_ aucileblad!
_ wels?
_ diax, situacia rac damZimdeba,
vadamdeli arCevnebi miT
ufro gadaudebeli aucilebloba
gaxdeba!
_ mainc, rodis?
_ wels, Semodgomaze.
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