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seriozulad ar aRiqvamen~

iT. daanonsda 15 maisi. cota xom

ar agvianebT?

_ Cemze rom yofiliyo damokidebuli

am sakiTxis gadawyveta,

aseTi xangrZlivi droiT ar gadavdebdi

aqciis gamarTvas. davniSnavdi

aqcias da aRar davSlidi,

arc komendantis saaTs gaviTvaliswinebdi.

Tu brZolas viwyebT,

maSin bolomde unda gavideT.

am xelisuflebis wamalia,

SigniT aqciebi da garedan sanqciebi.

_ es leiboristebis slogania?

yvela leiboristi amas am-

bobs.

_ ki, Cveni slogani gaxda. gamarjveba

Tu gvinda, SigniT aqciebi

unda gvqondes da garedan _

sanqciebi. naxevrad enis moCleqiT

saubrisa da politkoreqtulobis

dro aRar aris. yvelam

unda SevignoT isic, rom saqme

politikosebTan ar gvaqvs. Cven

veomebiT oligarqsa da uzurpators,

romelsac mitacebuli

aqvs xelisufleba da Cveulebrivi

yaCaRia. politikur processa

da molaparakebebs mxolod

maSin aqvs azri, rodesac meore

mxaresac politikosebi dganan.

raze unda davelaparakoT oligarqis

msaxur umwifar gogo-bi-

Webs, romlebic parlamentSi

sxedan.

_ umwifrebs vis eZaxiT?

_ Tundac, irakli kobaxiZes.

_ bavSvuri garegnoba ki aqvs,

magram 43 wlisaa ukve eg ymawvili.

mis asakSi Jvania ukve orjer

iyo parlamentis Tavmj-

domare.

_ Jvaniasa da kobaxiZis erTmaneTTan

Sedareba warmoudgenlad

mimaCnia. misi gadawyvetilebebi

ar momwonda, magram is iyo

didi politikosi. ukve 18 weli

gavida, rac leiboristuli

partiis wevri var.

_ ramdeni wlis xarT?

_ 38-is. 20 wlis viyavi, politikaSi

rom Cavebi.

_ 38 wlis Tu xarT, biZisto-

la kobaxiZes umwifars rogor

eZaxiT?

_ kobaxiZeze asakiT patara ki

var, magram magaze meti politikuri

gamocdileba maqvs. 18 welia,

politikaSi var da sami xelisuflebis

opoziciaSi momiwia yofna:

SevardnaZis, saakaSvilisa da

amaTi. xSirad erTmaneTs vadareb,

magram isini sxva donis politikosebi

iyvnen. dRes vin arian qveynis

pirveli pirebi? irakli

RaribaSvili saerTod vin aris?

arsaidan mosuli kacia. mas begraundic

ki ar aqvs. ivaniSvilis

Cveulebrivi klerki iyo, romelic

beras davalebebsac asrulebda

_ antonobda. kobaxiZeze saer-

Tod ra vTqva? ar SeiZleba massa

da Jvanias Soris paralelis gavleba.

_ arc vavleb, mxolod asakis

gamo vaxsene kobaxiZis gverdiT

Jvania.

_ asakis gamoc ar unda davayenoT.

viRacam gaacno kobaxiZe

ivaniSvils. iman ar vici, ra

`mas Zalian bevrma adamianma dauWira mxari, radgan didi fuli hqonda.

qeTi doliZe da nineli WankvetaZe rom sofel-sofel dadiodnen da xalxs

hpirdebodnen, TiTo sofels 5 milioni miecemao, amitom misca xalxma xma

oligarqs, Torem ivaniSvilis sxva ra unda moswonebodaT? - oratori is ar

yofila da politikuri gamocdilebac ar hqonia~

TvaliT Sexeda da arsaidan mosuli

kaci parlamentis spikerad

dagvisva. kobaxiZes saerTod ar

gaaCnia Tavmoyvareoba. is gavrilovis

sisxliani Ramis Semdeg

gadaayenes parlamentis Tavmjdomaris

Tanamdebobidan. xazs

vusvam: gadaayenes! sakuTari nebiT

am Tanamdebobis datovebas

ar apirebda. amis gamo nebismieri

Tavmoyvare adamiani datovebda

deputatis mandats da saerTod

wavidoda politikidan. iseTi

uTavmoyvareoa, deputatis mandatsac

ver Seelia. Camovida

spikeratidan da rigiTi deputatis

savarZelSi Cajda.

_ miwyenT, magram 2001 wels

zurab Jvaniac gadadga spiker-

obidan da uproblemod Cajda

rigiTi deputatis savarZelSi.

_ Jvanias gadadgoma Zalian

drouli iyo. man gadaiyola

mTavroba. maSin gadadga „rkinis

kacad“ Seracxuli kaxa TargamaZec,

romelic narkobaroni da

aTasi saSinelebis Semoqmedi iyo.

_ kobaxiZes daufasda, Camo-

laboranteba rom aitana _ axla

partiaSi pirveli kacia.

_ ver dageTanxmebiT, rom

pirveli kacia.

_ ratom ver dameTanxmebiT,

partiis Tavmjdomare xom aris?

_ partiis Tavmjdomareoba ar

niSnavs, rom partiaSi pirveli

kacia. „qarTuli ocnebis” Sida

samzareuloSi didad Caxeduli

ar var, magram Cemamdec ki movida

xmebi imis Sesaxeb, rom irakli

kobaxiZe gadawyvetilebebis

mimRebi piri ar aris.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom „ocne-

ba” kobaxiZes ar emorCileba?

_ ra Tqma unda, ar emorCileba.

Zalian bevri mis personas

araseriozulad uyurebs. es adamianebi

mis gadawyvetilebas

rogor daemorCilebian? saRad

moazrovne xalxi „ocnebaSic”

aris. isini am umwifari ymawvilis

azrebs araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar

`dRes vin arian qveynis pirveli pirebi?

irakli RaribaSvili saerTod vin aris?

arsaidan mosuli kacia. mas begraundic ki ar

aqvs. ivaniSvilis Cveulebrivi klerki iyo,

romelic beras davalebebsac asrulebda -

antonobda~

gaiziareben. mas yuradRebasac ki

ar miaqcevdnen, magram ician, rom

kobaxiZe ivaniSvilis mosazrebebs

aJRerebs da amitom arian

Cumad. yvelam kargad icis partiaSi,

rom am umwifars piradi

iniciativebi ar gaaCnia.

_ samagierod, kargi demago-

gia.

_ demagogia xelmocaruli politikosebis

TavSesafaria. Sei-

Zleba miTxraT, xelmocaruli

rogoraa, roca pirveli kacia

partiaSio. es ivaniSvilis nebaa.

rodesac „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebas

CamoSordeba, es

kobaxiZe Tavis sadarbazoSic ki

ver iqneba pirveli kaci. is saer-

Tod aorTqldeba politikidan.

ise ar ifiqroT, rom amas mxolod

opoziciaSi yofnis gamo

vambob. Jvanias mowinaaRmdegec

viyavi, magram yovelTvis vaRiarebdi

da axlac vaRiareb, rom

is didi politikosi iyo. adre

xelisuflebaSi ufro Rirseuli

pirebi iyvnen.

_ „ocnebaSi” Rirseuli aravin

gaxlavT?

_ romel Rirseul politikosze

vsaubrobT, roca „qarTul

ocnebaSi” damoukidebeli moTamaSeebi

saerTod ar arseboben?

ramdenimes SeiZleba, hqonda amis

mcdeloba, magram ar gamouvida.

rodesac oligarqze xar mibmuli,

iq damoukidebeli ver iqnebi.

axla aqtiurad ganixileba,

aris Tu ara gaxaria damoukidebeli.

mgonia, rom ar aris, Tumca

amas dro gamoaCens. es kaci

politikuri partiis Seqmnas apirebs.

Tu susi misi partiis Seviwroebas

daiwyebs da masac daibareben

prokuraturaSi, maSin davijereb,

rom damoukidebeli figuraa.

ratomRac, mgonia, rom mas

ivaniSvili sasaTbure pirobebs

Seuqmnis da is gaxdeba „qarTuli

ocneba 2".

_ isev namdvili opoziciis

ambebs davubrundeT: 15 maisidan

iwyebT aqciebs. Tqveni azriT,

SeZlebT ramis miRwevas?

_ kargi iqneba, Tu dasavleTidan

sanqciebic dawesdeba, magram

marto Cveni aqciebiTac Sei-

Zleba Sedegis miRweva. aqciebs

rom Sedegi moaqvs, amaSi Cveni

sazogadoeba 31 martsac darwmunda.

am dRes saqarTveloSi

Camovida rusuli delegacia,

romelsac pozneris dabadebis

dRe unda ezeima. es pozneri gaxlavT

putinis ideologi. is acxadebs,

rom afxazeTi da cxinvalis

regioni arasdros iqneba

saqarTvelo. sazogadoeba maT

Camosvlas protestiT Sexvda. es

aqcia rom ara, okupantebi aq

Tavisuflad gaagrZelebdnen

qeifs. protests yovelTvis mosdevs

Sedegi. pozneris Camosvlas

SevexeT da am Temaze zogierTi

qarTvelis gakeTebul gancxadebas

minda gamovexmauro: viRacebma

Tqves, „stumar-maspinZlis”

damweri eri stumars ase rogor

daxvdao? maT gasagonad vambob:

stumarTmoyvareoba siStereSi

ar unda gadagvezardos. am stumarTmoyvareobis

gamo yvelaze

mets rusebi dagvcinodnen. Cvens

ufross Taobas emaxsovreba er-

Ti ambavi: viRac rusi Jurnalisti

Camovida aq. mas arnaxuli maspinZloba

gauwies. ukan dabrunebulma

ki dawera, rom qarTvelebi

arian Rorebi, bevrs Wamen, hyavT

msuqani Svilebi da a. S. saqarTvelo

rusebisTvis asocirdeba kai

saqeifo adgilad. aseTi damokidebuleba

nervebs miSlis. arc

is momwons, roca Cemi mSobliuri

kuTxe asocirdeba xaSlamasTan.

_ ratom gaRizianebT?

_ roca igeben, Telaveli var,

xaSlamao, gaiZaxian. Telavi aris

Zveli sataxto qalaqi, romlis

saxelsac uamravi istoria ukav-

Sirdeba. raRac xaSlama gaxsendeba?

sxva araferi gagigia kaxeTze?

ase ar SeiZleba! rusebisTvis

saqarTvelo gaxda yurZeni, karalioki,

xaSlama da xinkali. maT-

Tvis sufrebis gaSla da tingici

unda damTavrdes.

sul cota xnis win davkrZaleT

daTa papa, romelic saokupacio

zols iqiT aRmoCnda. am

kacma saxli ar datova da imis

uflebac ki ar mogvces, rom sam-

Zimarze gadavsuliyaviT. qelexis

lobio da sxva produqtebi

mavTulxlarTebis aqedan gadavawodeT,

rom es didebuli kaci

Rirseulad daekrZalaT. micvalebuli

ar gvatires da amis Semoqmed

rusebs TbilisSi dros vatarebinebT?

Cveulebrivi turistebi

rom yofiliyvnen, kidev

ar amoviRebdiT xmas. es pozneri

ki aris putinis ideologi, romelic

afxazeTsa da cxinvalis regions

ar aRiqvams saqarTvelod.

mas da misnairebs saqarTveloSi

araferi esaqmebaT. xalxis protestis

Sedegad isini saqarTvelodan

gaiqcnen. protests yovel-

Tvis moaqvs Sedegi. mjera, rom

opoziciis dawyebuli saprotesto

aqciebic moitans Sedegs. ima-

Sic darwmunebuli var, rom garedanac

iqneba sanqciebi da ivaniSvili

saerTod gadaixveweba.

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