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om, Tundac amasTan mimarTebiT<br />
fariseveli da yalbi adamianebi<br />
varT. Tavs vdebT qristianobaze,<br />
amisTvis vomobT, Seuwynarebloba<br />
gvaqvs sxva, Tundac, mcire religiebis<br />
mimarT, magram sakuTar<br />
TavSi mxolod ambiciebs, Zalauflebisa<br />
da simdidris moTxovnilebas<br />
vxedavT. rasac vuyurebT,<br />
naklebad Cans, rom aq vinme Rmer-<br />
Tis, namdvili sulierebis maZiebeli<br />
iyos, es ukve Cveulebrivi saxelmwifo<br />
institutia.<br />
_ dafinanseba axseneT, wlebis<br />
ganmavlobaSi am sistemis mimarT<br />
xelisuflebis damokidebuleba<br />
rogor SeiZleba Sefasdes?<br />
_ zogadad, krizisi rom arsebobda,<br />
es, pirvel rigSi, xelisuflebas<br />
ecodineboda. gansakuTrebiT<br />
winas, sadac yvelas, yvelafers<br />
usmendnen da, bunebrivia, icodnen,<br />
mand realurad ra xdeboda... magram,<br />
ratomRac, amaze yvela Tavs<br />
iyruebda.<br />
viciT, rom yvela sociologiuri<br />
kvleviT marTlmadidebloba<br />
CvenTan dominanti religiaa, yvelaze<br />
didi avtoriteti patriarqia.<br />
yvela xelisufleba cdilobda,<br />
es saTavisod gamoeyenebina, anu<br />
religiis sistema misi interesebis<br />
gamtarebeli yofiliyo.<br />
savaraudod, saukuneebis manZilzec<br />
ase xdeboda. viciT, rom monarqias<br />
mudmivad „apravebda” sam-<br />
Rvdeloeba, rom mefe mironcxebulia<br />
da Sen misTvis unda imuSao,<br />
monebo, daemorCileT batonebs da<br />
a. S. msgavsi midgoma dRevandel<br />
realobaSic gagrZelda.<br />
ubralod, dRevandeli xelisuflebis<br />
damokidebulebas ver mivxvdi.<br />
maT ar aRelvebT dafinanseba<br />
(es gauazrebeli xarjebi), rodesac<br />
SesaZlebelia, es 25 milioni raime<br />
sxva socialur proeqts moaxmaron.<br />
qveyanaSi amdeni mSieri bavSvi<br />
gyavs da Sen am fuls haerSi isvri.<br />
realurad, ara am mimarTulebiT,<br />
aramed, isev da isev, piradi interesebisTvis<br />
erevi aRniSnul procesSi.<br />
amitom vambob, rom dRes xelisuflebis<br />
religiisadmi damokidebuleba<br />
iseTivea, rogorc es,<br />
albaT, monarqiis damokidebuleba<br />
iyo. yvela xelisufleba cdilobs,<br />
eklesia misi mxardamWeri, interesebis<br />
gamtarebeli iyos. mrevli<br />
procentulad mosaxleobis Zalian<br />
didi nawilia da xelisufleba<br />
cdilobs, rom eklesiisgan problema<br />
ar hqondes.<br />
eklesia, romelic simarTlis-<br />
Tvis mebrZoli, Rarib-RatakTa patroni<br />
unda iyos, saboloo jamSi,<br />
rogorc organizebuli religia,<br />
meore uZlieres saxelmwifo institutad<br />
mogvevlina. rac yvelaze<br />
mTavaria, ZalauflebisTvis<br />
mebrZolia.<br />
ra vqna, Tvalebidan ar amomdis<br />
(SemTxveviT gadaveyare 17 maisis<br />
ambebs), xeljoxebiT SeiaraRebuli<br />
sasuliero pirebi rogor dasdevdnen<br />
„elgebete” Temis warmomadgenlebs<br />
im fonze, roca maT ukan<br />
amxela farisevloba da siyalbe<br />
iyo. CemTvis, rigiTi mozrovne adamianisTvis,<br />
es Zalian miuRebelia.<br />
yovelTvis vityvi, rom religia<br />
adamianis intimuri urTierTobaa<br />
RmerTTan da SeuZlebelia, Suamavali<br />
arsebobdes. maSin, yvela<br />
logikiT, Tu am locvebs ritualis<br />
Zala aqvs, vinmem amixsnas, es<br />
sasuliero pirebi, maRali ierarqebi<br />
(gansakuTrebiT, Savi samRvdeloeba,<br />
romelmac beruli cxovreba<br />
gaiara), ase ram gadaagvara? ratom<br />
gaxdnen aseTi fulisa da Zalauflebis<br />
momxveWelebi? ratom<br />
mokvda maTSi adamiani?<br />
vsaubrob, Tundac, im Seuwynareblobis<br />
fonze, rasac Cven bolo<br />
periodi vxedavT, rasac religiuri<br />
Tu seqsualuri umciresobebi<br />
ganicdian. zogierTi mRvdelm-<br />
Tavari ambionidan Ria politikur<br />
gancxadebasac ki akeTebs. dRes umetesoba<br />
am mafiozur dapirispirebasa<br />
da klanur omebSia CarTuli.<br />
_ am situaciaSi rigiTi mo-<br />
N8 (185) 7.03-13.03.2017 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
qalaqisTvis, sazogadoebisTvis<br />
gamosavali sad aris, rom saRma<br />
azrma gaimarjvos?<br />
_ es individualuri gamosavalia,<br />
saRi azri, mxolod da mxolod,<br />
individma SeiZleba ipovos. veranairi<br />
organizebuli religia<br />
RmerTTan ver migiyvans. Sen, pirvel<br />
rigSi, unda dafiqrde, ras eZeb<br />
(rodesac eklesiaSi midixar), RmerTs<br />
eZeb, Tu amas im gagebiT<br />
akeTeb, rasac saxareba moiazrebs.<br />
Cven ar gvesmis sityva RmerTisa da<br />
WeSmaritebis mniSvneloba da yvela<br />
brunvaSi vatrialebT.<br />
raxan am Temaze vsaubrobT,<br />
raRac terminebiT unda gamovxatoT<br />
kidec es yvelaferi. aucileblad<br />
dasafiqrebelia, ras veZebT,<br />
_ me veZeb raRac ambiciebs, Zalauflebas,<br />
erSi ver Sevdeqi da axla<br />
eklesiaSi raRac unda vipovo, Tu<br />
me veZeb sakuTar TavSi xsnas, imis<br />
gacnobierebas, ra problema maqvs...<br />
razec aRsarebis saidumlo<br />
dgas, rom Sen gaacnobiero saku-<br />
Tari codvebi, Seni arasrulyofileba,<br />
Seni nakli. gamosavali mxolod<br />
es aris, rom adamianma daiwyos<br />
azrovneba. bolos da bolos, gaiazros,<br />
rom arsebobs organizebuli<br />
religia da religia, rogorc<br />
Sinagani gamocdileba. anu rogoria<br />
Seni gza da mizani cxovrebaSi,<br />
rom ganTavisuflde arasrulfasovnebisgan<br />
(adamiani arasrulfasovani<br />
arsebaa). ganTavisuflde absoluturad<br />
yvelafrisgan, yvela<br />
avtoritetisgan, ideologiisgan,<br />
Sen TavSi adamiani daabruno, gaxde<br />
ubralod adamiani.<br />
Cemi azriT, swored es aris sakuTari<br />
Tavis uaryofa, razec<br />
qriste saubrobda. uaryo Tavsmoxveuli<br />
idealebi Tu ideologiebi,<br />
principebi Tu stereotipebi, rac<br />
mere gonebas ganpirobebuls xdis<br />
da aseT labirinTSi Sehyavs. es er-<br />
TaderTi gamosavalia, rom adamianma<br />
azrovneba daiwyos, _ ra unda,<br />
ras eZebs am xanmokle cxovrebaSi.<br />
ras ewireba misi qmedebebi, misi ambiciebi,<br />
Tu yoveldRiuri cxovreba.<br />
am TvalsazrisiT, Tu vinmes<br />
kidev brmad egona, rom viRac avtoritetebi<br />
misTvis Suamavlebi<br />
iqnebodnen, didi imedi maqvs, mixvdebian,<br />
rom veravin migiyvans RmerTTan,<br />
Tu ara Seni gaazrebuli,<br />
gacnobierebuli da gasufTavebuli<br />
goneba.<br />
_ xedavT rame progress aRniS-<br />
nul gzaze?<br />
_ amas axal TaobaSi vxedav, visTanac<br />
Sexeba maqvs, visac vaswavli,<br />
me maTSi yvelaze mTavars, Ziebis<br />
survils vxedav. CvenSi xom didi<br />
wyveta moxda, raRac idealebze<br />
awyobili qarTuli mentaloba<br />
modioda da uceb, 21-e saukunem<br />
sruliad axali gamowvevebis winaSe<br />
dagvayena. es bavSvebi sruliad dabneulebi<br />
darCnen, veRar mixvdnen,<br />
saiT unda wavidnen.<br />
am dros maTSi Ziebis survils<br />
vxedav. aranairi brmad morCileba<br />
aRar aris. vxedav survils iswavlon,<br />
ganviTardnen, gaacnobieron, gaiazron,<br />
upirvelesad, sakuTari<br />
Tavi, vin arian. jer unda gaigo, saerTod<br />
vin xar Sen, rom mere daiwyo<br />
fiqri imaze, Tu ra substancia<br />
SeiZleba iyos RmerTi, rogor Sei-<br />
Zleba RmerTamde mixvide da a. S.<br />
Cven davkargeT mokrZaleba yvelafris<br />
mimarT, rasac „wmindas”<br />
vuwodebT. jer rom am xmamaRal<br />
sityvebs vatrialebT, aravin icis,<br />
ra aris siwminde (religiuri konteqstidan<br />
vsubrob), samagierod,<br />
Cveni RmerTi fuli da Zalaufleba<br />
gaxda.<br />
axal TaobaSi swored amas vxedav,<br />
rom aRar surT, vinmes xelSi<br />
brma iaraRad iyvnen. es iqneba saxelmwifo<br />
Tu sasuliero ideologia.<br />
xsna mxolod ganaTlebaa, gacnobiereba,<br />
azrovneba da sakuTari<br />
Tavis Zieba.<br />
_ bolo leqcia gqondaT Tem-<br />
aze, Tu rogor unda moipovos<br />
adamianma Tavisufleba, iqneb, am<br />
maradiul sakiTxsac kidev erTx-<br />
el SevexoT...<br />
_ leqciazec vambobdi, rom,<br />
pirvel rigSi, gaacnobiereT, ra<br />
giSliT xels, ris gamo ar xarT Tavisufali.<br />
rodesac dainaxav mTel<br />
im nagavs, riTac aRsavsea Seni goneba<br />
(rasac ganpirobebuli goneba<br />
hqvia), rom Sen xar mona Senive<br />
survilebis, sxeulebrivi moTxovnilebebis,<br />
idealebis, avtoritetebis,<br />
kerpebis, praqtikulad,<br />
yvelafris mona xar, jer es yvelaferi<br />
dainaxe da mere modis umniSvnelovanesi<br />
etapi, _ ginda ki am<br />
yvelafrisgan Tavisufali iyo?<br />
am yvelafrisgan Tavisufleba<br />
niSnavs, pasuxismgebloba aiRo sakuTar<br />
Tavze, yvela Sens qmedebaze.<br />
advilia, iq RmerTs daabralo,<br />
mamaos, viRac maswavlebels Camokido<br />
da Tqva, rom man miTxra, mir-<br />
Cia, albaT, Cemze ukeTesad icis,<br />
tradicia amas meubneba, winaprebi<br />
amas meubnebodnen da a. S.<br />
rodesac mzad iqnebi, sakuTar<br />
Tavze aiRo sruli pasuxismgebloba,<br />
ai, maSin gaxdebi Tavisufali.<br />
ase rom, gonebis eSmakuri TamaSebia,<br />
rodesac adamians hgonia, rom<br />
unda iyos Tavisufali.<br />
Cven vxedavdiT, rom kacobriobis<br />
istoriaSi yvela revolucia,<br />
amboxi Tavisuflebis saxeliT iwyeboda<br />
da, saboloo jamSi, is xalxi,<br />
vinc qveynis saTaveSi modioda,<br />
TviTonve diqtatori xdeboda,<br />
an msgavsi mcdelobebi hqonda. aman<br />
aCvena, rom aranairi garegnuli<br />
Tavisufleba ar arsebobs. arsebobs<br />
mxolod erTi, Sinagani Tavisufleba,<br />
Tavisufleba ganpirobebuli<br />
gonebisgan da am ganpirobebulobas<br />
Tu dainaxav, mere dasvi<br />
kiTxva, _ ginda ki Tavisufleba?<br />
xar ki mzad amisTvis? mere Sesa-<br />
Zloa, movides es Tavisufleba. amas,<br />
upirvelesad, uSiSroba sWirdeba,<br />
aseve didi energia, didi Zalisxmeva<br />
da goniereba.<br />
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