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one point it perforates the whole structure. Anyone who buys<br />
it loses and, worse, there was no market for them way before it<br />
was publicly known that there was a crisis. These things were<br />
not selling. It didn’t matter if they were triple-A. It didn’t matter<br />
whether the defaults were higher or lower than expected. They<br />
were not moving so therefore they have no value.”<br />
And then they also insured these investments. Tell us about<br />
these credit default swaps. What were they, and how did this contribute<br />
to the problem?<br />
“The other thing that was going on is you would take a<br />
bunch of subprime loans, you would package them up into<br />
something called a CDO and you would also write something<br />
called credit default protection against pieces of the CDO. So a<br />
bank for example like Goldman Sachs would create a CDO. It<br />
would stick all kinds of subprime loans and packages – packages<br />
and packages of them into a package and then it will<br />
go off to AIG which has spectacularly failed since then – and<br />
AIG had a triple A rating which was an insured ID, a pristine<br />
impact, pristine credit rating – and Goldman would say, ‘you<br />
know what? You take this package of junk we just created and<br />
kind of insure it. You basically write a default swap to us. You<br />
basically credit insure it. You’ve got a much better rating than<br />
we do so investors will buy it from you without insurance. You<br />
make money. We make money. Everybody’s happy …”<br />
We are talking trillions here aren’t we?<br />
“We’re talking trillions of dollars. So it’s $14 trillion worth of<br />
asset backs with subprime and other types of mortgages and<br />
CDOs created between 2003 and 2007. $14 trillion were created.<br />
On that, investment houses and hedge funds and private<br />
equity funds could leverage 30, 40 times. Banks could leverage<br />
15 to 20 times. On average they could only leverage 13 times<br />
on certain securities …”<br />
My mind was spinning as I tried to decode this secret Bankster<br />
lingo. My next interviewee was clearer: