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I think what works well for me is the<br />

fact I have a broad skillset really. So I’ve<br />

always been involved in starting business<br />

and being an entrepreneur, but along<br />

the way I’ve become a qualified venture<br />

capitalist, private equity corporate lawyer,<br />

and investment banker, so I understand<br />

numbers and balance sheets and cash<br />

flows.<br />

I’ve worked in corporate finance and<br />

made business plans for people and<br />

raised money for entrepreneurs. So my<br />

background actually is the professional<br />

side of venture capital and private equity<br />

and hedge funds.<br />

That’s my professional capability and it<br />

means that when I think about financing<br />

or legal or intellectual property or<br />

structuring these things, I just know how<br />

to do it.<br />

What particularly impresses you?<br />

If a reader has an idea and wanted<br />

to pitch it into you, what would they<br />

need to do to impress you and win you<br />

over?<br />

For me it’s scale to be honest with<br />

you. In ‘Dragon’s Den’ some businesses<br />

are more scalable than others and I<br />

think that’s why I’m always particularly<br />

attracted to technology, because it can<br />

scale.<br />

For example, the ‘Lostmy.name’,<br />

the book business, they could sell ten<br />

books, they could sell a million books.<br />

It’s software and clearly there’s some<br />

printing and there’s some logistics, but<br />

that the scale of the business, because it’s<br />

outsourced.<br />

Some people come in to the ‘Den’,<br />

who are painters or do caricatures of<br />

people and want investment for these<br />

businesses, but relying on just their own<br />

efforts means these are just not scalable,<br />

because they can only do a finite number<br />

of projects by themselves in a day, or<br />

a week. So those pitches don’t attract<br />

me too much. It’s about scale, and<br />

technology enables you to scale, both in<br />

your country and globally.<br />

Do you think many budding<br />

entrepreneurs are being unrealistic in<br />

terms of how much money they might<br />

be able to secure from investors when<br />

starting out?<br />

I haven’t got a problem with people<br />

being unrealistic. If you’ve got a dream<br />

and you think you need 100 million to do<br />

it, then go and do it. Look at Jack Mar,<br />

‘Mr Alibaba’, I’m sure he had a bit of help<br />

from the Chinese government, but he<br />

started in his bedroom and just raised 28<br />

billion dollars.<br />

What I will say is you’ve got to have a<br />

plan and the plan’s got to be realistic. If<br />

you go to 100 people and they all tell you<br />

that you’re nuts, then you probably need<br />

to listen and have a re-think. I’ve done<br />

that myself. When you’re younger you<br />

can take a lot more risks because you’ve<br />

got time, but there comes a point where<br />

you’ve got to stop chasing a rabbit down<br />

a hole and just fill it in.<br />

Do you think some of them don’t<br />

appreciate the amount of preparation,<br />

research and effort they need to put in<br />

before they even present?<br />

Well, there’s that. You’ve got to be<br />

prepared. If you haven’t done that prep<br />

work and research, then you shouldn’t<br />

be starting a business because you really<br />

don’t know what you’re getting yourself<br />

into.<br />

I think the more important thing to<br />

appreciate is that being an entrepreneur<br />

can be extremely painful. It can be very<br />

costly in financial terms, in terms of<br />

your time, which impacts on family and<br />

relationships, and can be very stressful.<br />

You have other people relying on you,<br />

if you’ve got employees, that can be a real<br />

worry. You have your ups and downs.<br />

You have days where you’re staring into<br />

your desk with your head in your hands<br />

thinking, “How on earth am I going to get<br />

through this week?” You’ll be staring at<br />

the ceiling at three four in the morning<br />

on the odd occasion, worrying about an<br />

issue and there’s a lot of that in starting a<br />

business until you really do find your feet<br />

and I think people forget that it is hard<br />

work.<br />

How else can start-ups find and<br />

secure investments other than<br />

through Angel investors or ‘Dragons’<br />

like yourself?<br />

Well there are actually lots of other<br />

schemes, like start-up loans, for example,<br />

but the best way to start a business at<br />

the end of the day is to use your own<br />

resources, because when you bring in<br />

investors very early, you can lose quite<br />

a big part of your business at the start<br />

which is not ideal. What I always say to<br />

people is, “If you want to get involved,<br />

keep your overheads low” and by that I<br />

mean, not just business overheads, but<br />

your personal overheads too, because if<br />

you’ve got a flash car and go on holidays<br />

you can’t really afford and have an<br />

expensive mortgage or rent etc, they all<br />

act like anchors that could prevent you<br />

taking potentially beneficial risks and<br />

also, that fixed cost you’ve got to cover<br />

every month typically means you’re going<br />

to have to get a job.<br />

Any advice on how to negotiate<br />

equity with a potential investor and<br />

how much equity should you hold on<br />

to?<br />

Treat it like gold dust! Equity, at the<br />

end of the day, is why you do it. Equity<br />

is the difference between being master<br />

of your own destiny and working<br />

for somebody else. I’ve had heated<br />

discussions about 1% of my business<br />

before, never mind 10%. Do not part with<br />

it without a very, very good reason.<br />

Is there a kind of magic formula to<br />

use as a guide i.e. for x £ expect to give<br />

“EQUITY IS THE DIFFERENCE<br />

BETWEEN BEING MASTER OF YOUR<br />

OWN DESTINY AND WORKING FOR<br />

SOMEBODY ELSE.”<br />

x % of the company?<br />

If you’re a private company, especially<br />

and Angel backed business or you’re<br />

talking to friends and family, the value of<br />

your company is what they’re willing to<br />

agree to. Simple as that.<br />

So if you’ve got a very high valuation<br />

and you’re giving a small piece of equity,<br />

they’ll get a very small percentage. If<br />

it’s a very low valuation and they’re<br />

giving a lot of money, then it’s going to<br />

be big percentage. So that’s my point,<br />

it’s about as an entrepreneur you need<br />

to bootstrap your business as far as<br />

possible, prove it as much as you possibly<br />

can, before you go and ask other people<br />

for money, because that increases the<br />

valuation and your negotiating position.<br />

In technology, for example, you need<br />

to have your ‘minimum viable product’,<br />

they call it. So, it’s not perfect, it’s not<br />

finished, but it enables you to show this is<br />

what it’s going to do. This is how it works.<br />

Here’s the market. What do you think?

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