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giorgi abaSiZe 80-ian wlebSi rusma mweralma astafievma qarTvelebs „balnoi narodi” uwoda. amis gamo saqar- Tvelos delegaciam _ jansuR Carkvianma, nodar dumbaZem da sxvebma _ sakavSiro yriloba datova. qarTvelebs osma poetma, nafi jusoiTmac auba mxari _ Zmao ja- nsuR, Zmao nodar, TqvenTan varo da yrilobidan gamovida. samagi- erod, darbazSi erTi qarTveli poeti darCa. sxvaTa Soris, es poeti dRes cdilobs, Tavi patriotizmis mebairaxtred warmoaCi- nos. am poetis vinaoba bevrisTvis cnobilia, Tumca saxalxo poet jansuR Carkvianis qaliSvili, publicisti Tako Carkviani mis vinaobas ar asaxelebs. samagi- erod, „qronika+~-s bevr sxva saintereso ambavs uyveba: _ Tako, zustad axla, roca intervius viwerT, ruseTSi saprezidento arCevnebi mimdinar- eobs. hoda, saubaric, mgoni, swored amiT unda daviwyoT... am ar- CevnebiT CvenTvis, anu saqarTve- losTvis, rame Seicvleba? _ (damajereblad) ara! ruseT- Si isev jojoxeTs airCeven! (ruse- Tis saprezidento arCevnebSi vl. putinma damajereblad gaimarj- va, -red.) ise, ruseTisgan mudmivad ganadgurebuli da daCagruli saqarTvelos Semdeg, putinze ganawyenebulni Tavad rusebi unda iyvnen, radgan lamis oci welia, iseTi prezidenti hyavT, romelmac Zalian mdidari resursebis qveyana 200-dolarian pensias ver aacila. es ki imas niSnavs, rom 150- milionian qveyanas prezidenti cudad acxovrebs. es kaci Ceulebrivi diqtatoria, romelsac „kage-be”-s skola aqvs gavlili da xalxi ver umklavdeba, Tumca rogorc yvela diqtaturasa da diqtators, dasasruli putinsac eqneba. am kacma mTel msoflios Tavi moaZula da ise daamaxsovra, rogorc teroristma! londonSi ukve quCebSi acxadeben, rom akrZaluli qimiuri nivTiereba gamoiyena. sxvaTa Soris, 9 aprils Cvenc mogvwamles... _ am „terorist” putins Cveni premieri werils rom ugzavnis, logikuria? _ es gavaproteste! Teimuraz xevisTavi, romelic brwyinvale mwerlis nawarmoebis gmiria, kargi araa. mixeil javaxiSvilma, romelic TavisuflebisTvis brZolas Seewira, es nawarmoebi imitom dawera, rom Teimuraz xevisTavebi ar viyoT! _ anu premieri Teimuraz xe- visTavia? _ es gancxadeba Teimuraz xevisTavis tipis adamianis gancxadeba iyo! diax, es ususuri gancxadebaa! viRacebma Tqves, aba, sxva ra unda eqnao, magram rogor gekadrebaT, ras brZanebT?! diplomatia xvewna-mudaras ar niSnavs! unda miuTiTo, rom okupirebuli xar da ruseTs ise ki ar unda elaparako, rogorc Suamavals! vinmes SevardnaZe an saakaSvili moswonda Tu ara, faqtia: maSin dokumenti Seiqmna, rom ruseTi okupantia da dRes am dokumentis teqnikurad ugulebelyofa xdeba da ruseTs ise elaparakebian, rogorc Suamavals! _ yvelafer amis mizani ra aris? _ Tavidan eWvi mqonda, Tumca sakuTar Tavs ar vutydebodi da vfiqrobdi, SeiZleba, meCveneba- 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com Tako Carkviani: `Tavis droze gamsaxurdias gverdiT rom ideqi, dRes kremlis momxre rogor xar?!~ meTqi, magram sagareo kursi gamokveTili araa. _ „ocnebam” sagareo kursi Si- Sis gamo ar gamokveTa? _ ar mgonia. _ aba? _ qveyanaSi korufcia yvavis da rusuli korufciuli sivrce garkveuli adamianebisTvis misaRebia _ iq fuls iolad akeTeben. mTel politelitas, Tundac, samedicino momsaxureba dasavleTSi aqvs, ase vTqvaT, mogvarebuli. Cvens Svilebs ki rusul Zirgamompal sivrces sTavazobs! _ anu viRacebi fuls ruseTSi Souloben da saqarTvelos ruse- Tis vasalobas amitom cdiloben? _ ra Tqma unda. axals arafers vambob _ mTelma msofliom icis, rom ruseTi korufciuli sivrcea. _ qarTuli politelitidan ruseTSi biznesi, mainc, vis aqvs? _ mxolod ruseTSi ki ara, fuli ofSorebSic aqvT dabandebuli! saministroebi eZeben, 50-50 aTasi sadaa wasuli da am dros xalxi SimSiliT kvdeba. iciT, ra xdeba? _ saxelmwifo institutebi ingreva da qveyanaSi absoluturi stagnaciaa! es SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac Cans. qveyanaSi Zalian mZime socialuri viTarebaa _ uamravi moxuci ufaso sasadilo- Si ikvebeba. amas winaT viRacam mki- Txa, dasavleTi, mainc, ras mogvcemso da ganzrax ukve Zalian adaptirebuli eniT vsaubrob, raTa yvelam gaigos: saqarTvelo Tavisi kulturologiiT yovel- Tvis evropa iyo. aba, gadaxedeT Cvens literaturas _ qarTveli mudam ibrZvis, rom evropis srulfasovani wevri gaxdes, magram am Rirebulebebis garda elementarul adamianur SegrZnebebze rom daviyvanoT, diax, evropa mogvarebuli siberea! _ sxvaTa Soris, sabWoTa kav- Siris drosac mogvarebuli si- bere iyo da ar sjobda, sabWoeT- Si davrCeniliyaviT? _ ara, ar sjobda! _ ratom ar sjobda? _ ratom ar sjobda da, saqarTvelo, Tavisi kulturologiiT, damoukidebeli qveyanaa da damoukideblobas imsaxurebs! _ ki batono, magram viRacebi amboben, ra mniSvneloba aqvs, rusebis monebi viqnebiT Tu amerikelebiso? _ amerikelebis monoba sad dainaxeT? amas ruseTumeebi amboben, Torem monoba ki ara, saqarTvelo- Si aSS-is milionebia daxarjuli. amerikelebis monoba ras niSnavs? _ aSS-m teritoria wagvarTva Tu ra? _ teritoria ar waurTmevia, magram rogorc zogi ambobs, aSS `swored es gamoiyenes erT-erT ruseTume gazeTSi, sadac avtori vinme d. mxeiZe werils ase iwyebda, axla mkvlelobas Cavdivaro. es Seasrula - diax, man mkvleloba Caidina! werilis wakiTxvidan oc wuTSi mamas insulti daemarTa, magram daaviwydaT: adamianebi Svilebs im ganwyobiT zrdian, rasac qveynis damoukidebloba da siyvaruli hqvia. me da mamuka swored ase gavizardeT. mamukas, SeiZleba, laparaki ar uyvars, magram jansuRis leqsze - `himni Tavisuflebas~, romelic 1972 welsaa dawerili, simRera afxazeTis dakargvis dros dawera! CvenSi patriotizmisa da qveynis siyvarulis kodi devs!~ qarTvelobas da „meobas” gvarT- mevs... _ da es raSi gamoixateba? _ ai, magaliTad, piradobis mowmobaSi erovneba „qarTveli” aRar gviweria... _ es amerikelma gaakeTa? _ amboben, sorosis miTiTeba iyoo... _ sasaciloa! axla, Zalian saintereso da mniSvnelovan rames getyviT: saakaSvilis dros, roca saakaSvilis „gaqanebul” opoziciaSi viyavi, erT sufraze ucxoelebTan erTad movxvdi da Zalian maRali Tanamdebobis ucxoels vkiTxe, _ gana, Seqspirs adaptirebulad aswavliT-meTqi? momigo, _ arao. pirdapir vuTxari, _ gana- Tlebis reforma, romelic korufcias ebrZvis, momwons, magram adaptirebuli saxelmZRvaneloebi ar momwons-meTqi. daaxloebiT, xuT wuTSi mipasuxa: ganaTlebis es reforma baltiispireTSic „Sevida”, magram daamuSava da is daitova, rac misTvis sasargeblo iyo. TqvenTan ki, komisiaSi, ormoci wevri ijda da ormocivem pirvelive SeTavazebas dasturi miscao. mokled, gesmiT, ra xdeba? nebismieri kanoni Sens qveyanas moarge, vin dagiSala? yvelafers Cvenive xeliT xom ar vakeTebT? 6 N9 (230) 20.03-26.03.2018 w.
mapatieT, magram israelma aSS limoniviT gamowura _ aSS-dan israelSi miliardebi Sedis, magram ivriTuli warwerebis garda sxva enaze warweras ver naxavT! israelma aSS-sTan pirdapiri samokav- Sireo xelSekruleba dado da qarTveli rom xar, unari unda gqondes, gamyidveli ar iyo, Torem nebismieri Ceqmis qveS moeqcevi! ise, saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi dapyrobilebi viyaviT, magram Cveni Ceqmis qveS moqceva veravin moaxerxa. amerikelebi qarTvelobas gvarTmeveno, im mcire frTis mogonilia, romelic gamokveTilad rusul uSiSroebaze muSaobs. gaxsovT, amas winaT, diplomatiuri warmomadgenlobebis saxelze werili rom gaagzavnes? _ im werils gulisxmobT, rezo amaSukeli, elizbar javeliZe da kidev ramdenime pirovneba rom awerda xels? _ diax. roca gaiges, rom, sinamdvileSi, am werilSi sxva ram ewera, mxatvarma Temo gocaZem, akademiis prezidentma kvesitaZem da reJisorma gogi qavTaraZem xelmowerebi ukan waiRes. es adamianebi asakovnebi arian, raRac amonaridi miutanes, sadac absurdi ewera, aSS gvTxovs, natoSi afxazeTisa da samaCablos gareSe unda SexvideTo. es Segnebulad iyo gakeTebuli, magram rogorc ki gaskda, rom es tyuili iyo, am xalxma xelmowera ukan waiRo. saer- Tod, es werili imitom ar dawerila, rom rame Seicvleboda. _ aba? _ ruseTs sabWoTa kavSiris SegrZnebebi mohyveba. hoda, es werilic ase gaJRerdeboda _ xels awers cnobili reJisori, mxatvari, akademiis prezidenti da ai, batono, dokumentio. am „dokuments” rusebi saqarTvelos winaa- Rmdeg momavalSi, anu maSin gamoiyenebdnen, roca saqarTveloSi Semosvla dasWirdebodaT. yvelaferi es 90-ian wlebSi gaviareT da simarTle giTxraT, ramdenime adamiani, romelic maSin aqtiurobda, axlac mecno da dResac igives akeTebs, magram aRar wamovegeT! mokled, es provokacia CaiSala da, rogorc ityvian, Citi brdRvnad Rirda! _ es provokacia Tqven CaSa- leT, Tako! _ ase ver vityvi, magram, albaT, patara wvlili Sevitane, anu Cem- Tvis uZvirfases adamianebs, mama- Cemis megobrebs droulad mivawode informacia, gatyueben-meTqi! _ jansuRi cocxali rom yofiliyo, Tavis megobrebs ras etyoda? _ gaisaubrebdnen da yvelafers gaarkvevdnen. weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, Cven, yvelam, 90-iani wlebi Zalian mZimed da mtkivneulad gadavitaneT. yvelaferi is inspirirebuli iyo, Torem 60-ianelTa Zalian bevri vaJkaci warmomadgeneli da erovnuli moZraoba erTad rom yofiliyo, amiT saqarTvelosTvis udidesi saqme gakeTdeboda, magram maSin „dayavi da ibatones” principma imuSava. roca amas vambob, viRacebs swyinT, magram mudmivad vityvi: damnaSave mxolod erTi mxare ar yofila! _ ras gulisxmobT? _ gvars ar davasaxeleb, magram gamgebi gaigebs: Tavis droze gamsaxurdias gverdiT rom ideqi, dRes kremlis momxre rogor xar? Canergili maSin iyavi Tu axla xar? Cemi azriT, Canergili maSin iyo, axla ki, ubralod, lustracia moxda da dRes yvelam icis, vin vinaa! erTxel vTqvi da axlac gavimeoreb: zviad gamsaxurdias generaluri prokurori, romelsac batoni anzor burjanaZe axlda, CvenTan, saxlSi movida da jansuRs uTxra, saqarTvelo datoveo. siac moitana da am siaSi eldar Sengelaiac iyo, lana RoRoberiZec, merab kokoCaSvilic... _ anu vaxtan razmaZem Tqva, rom zviad gamsaxurdia, TiTqos, am adamianebis daWeras sTxovda, ara? _ diax, razmaZem Tqva, sanqcias mTxovs, magram amas rogor vikadrebo? maSin yvelaferi es Cven davijereT. sxvaTa Soris, mere batonma razmaZem erT-erT gazeTs interviu misca da Tavad Tqva, diax, gamsaxurdia am xalxis daWeras mTxovdao. _ iqneb, marTla sTxovda? _ es sia TandaTan izrdeboda. erTi wuTiT davuSvaT, rom zviad gamsaxurdia viRacebs ahyva, magram gonebasusti ar iyo, rom generaluri prokurorisTvis 120-kaciani sia mieca da literaturaSi, mxatvrobasa Tu reJisuraSi yvelaze cnobili adamianebis daWera moeTxova! amas axla veravin damajerebs! amitomac, mgonia, rom yvelaferi es muSaobis Sedegi iyo. jansuRTanac modiodnen da eubnebodnen, zviadi amas ambobs Senze da imas ambobso. maxsovs, jansuRze ubinZuresi werilic daibe- Wda, romelic Zalian mZimed gadaitana. _ ratom? _ ratom da, garda imisa, rom orjer TavdebSi daudga, kadrebic arsebobs, roca zviad gamsaxurdia da jansuRi mitingze gverdigverd dganan, adamianuradac kargi urTierToba hqondaT... _ hoda, enis momtanebs ratom ujerebda? ar sjobda, piradad zviadTan gaerkvia? _ ver gaarkvia. _ ratom? _ ver naxa. dedaCemic cdilob- 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com da, magram amaod... maxsovs, kako baqraZe da jansuRi zviad gamsaxurdias dilis aTis naxevarze unda Sexvedrodnen, „rusTavelis sazogadoebidan” daurekes da uTbilesad isaubres, amis momswre ramdenime adamiania. _ am dros razmaZes e. w. Savi sia ukve motanili hqonda? _ ara, ara, roca razmaZe movida, viTareba ukve daZabuli iyo. akaki baqraZe da jansuRi zviads maSin unda Sexvedrodnen, universitetTan saprotesto aqciebi ukve dawyebuli rom iyo. mokled, batoni akaki da mama dilis aTis naxevarze mividnen, magram dacvam ar SeuSva, prezidents TqvenTan saubari ar surso da amis Semdeg kavSiri absoluturad gawyda. sxvaTa Soris, dedaCemi da zviad gamsaxurdia literaturis institutSi erTad muSaobdnen da Zalian normaluri urTierToba hqondaT. is ki arada, zviad gamsaxurdias „bodleri” pirvelad jansuRma gamosca. koko gamsaxurdiam sajarodac dawera, _ cixeSi rom iyo, mamaCemma miTxra, Tu rame gagiWirdeba, jansuRs miakiTxeo. isic gaxmaurebuli ambavia, jansuRma zviad gamsaxurdias mweral- Ta kavSiridan garicxvas xeli rom ar moawera da amis gamo didi usiamovneba Sexvda. _ Tako, roca am ambebs yvebi, zogi ambobs, jansuRi disidenti ar yofilao. _ ara, disidenti arc jansuR Crkviani iyo, arc _ muxran maWavariani, arc _ oTar WilaZe da arc _ nodar dumbaZe. disidentoba iatakqveSa antisabWoTa saqmianoba iyo. sxvaTa Soris, muxran maWavariani, Tamaz WilaZe, nodar dumbaZe da jansuR Carkviani Jurnalebis redaqtorebad vasil mJavanaZis dros dainiSnen da es Zalian mniSvnelovania. _ ratomaa Zalian mniSvnelovani? vasil mJavanaZec xom ko- mpartiis nawili iyo? _ ki, magram 60-ianelTa Zalian vaJkacTa gundi _ Wabua amirejibi, nodar dumbaZe, guram fanjikiZe, otia paWkoria, romelic `mamas hkiTxes, zviad gamsaxurdiaze ra azris xarTo? imxanad mweralTa kavSiris Tvmjdomaris arCevnebi unda Catarebuliyo da erT-erTi kandidati mama iyo. jansuRma kiTxvaze upasuxa, - ar vici, zviad gamsaxurdia imas, rac Cafiqrebuli aqvs, rogor ganaxorcielebs, magram zviads saqarTvelo uyvars, amaSi eWvi arasodes Semparvia da arc Semeparebao~ politikurze ijda da romelic jansuRma moadgiled maSin waiyvana, sanam misi reabilitacia moxdeboda _ mTel Jurnalebs moedo. gavkadnierdebi da imasac vityvi, rom Jurnali „ciskari” flagmani iyo, sadac yvelaze mwvave da Tamami nawarmoebebi ibeWdeboda. es urCxulTan garkveuli brZola iyo... amas winaT sruliad tutucma „Snikma” ikiTxa, jansuR Carkviani Cumad werdao? Cumad ki ar werda, aramed, „rwmenis kedeli” Tu „himni Tavisuflebas” yvela krebulSia Setanili... _ jansuRs leninzec xom aqvs leqsi dawerili? _ ra Tqma unda, magram zustad am leqsis gamo jansuRi Zalian magrad „aTries”. _ anu? _ gazeTSi werili gamoqveynda, sadac ewera, jansuR Crkviani belads Tavisi Cveuli cinizmiT axsenebso. sxvaTa Soris, am leqsSi aseTi striqonebia: „vumReriT lenins, vadidebT lenins Cven, visac erTxel ar gvinaxavs Zia lenini!” sxvaTa Soris, muxrans hqonda striqonebi: „daarqviT brodveis leninis quCa”, magram me muxranis „saba” miyvars! galaktioni werda: „koleqtivis mxardamxar, mxardamxaro”, magram me galaktionis „iisferi Tovli” miyvars! maSinac isini „muSaobdnen”, vinc axla muSaobs! maSinac ori frTa arsebobda: erTi ideologiuri seqtoris frTa iyo, meore ki _ SedarebiT progresuli. am progresul gzas SevardnaZe adga da cdilobda, igive 60-ianelebTan emegobra. ideologiis garkveuli tipebi ki mxolod am xalxis ganadgurebas cdilobdnen. magali- Tad, roca jansuRma „ciskarSi” mcxeTis jvarTan dakavSirebiT rezo jafariZis Zalian gaxmaurebuli werili dabeWda, Jurnalis mTeli tiraJi „merve polkma” „StikebiT” „daxvrita”. _ am dros ideologiis seq- tors vin xelmZRvanelobda? _ devi sturua. ...adamianebis Zalian patara gunds qveynis ruseTisken wayvana unda. saakaSvilis xelisuflebis mowinaaRmdege viyavi da 7 noembers quCaSi videqi, magram 26 maisis mitingebze quCaSi aRar gavsulvar. _ ratom? _ ratom da liderebSi ramdenime is saxe davinaxe, romelic 90- ian wlebSi Cvens ojaxSi modioda da ena mohqonda, aseve, gamsaxurdiasTanac midioda da ena mihqonda. mokled, roca davinaxe, rom garkveuli adamianebi „bela Caos” mRerodnen, vTqviT, marTalia, saakaSvilis xelisuflebis mimarT protesti gvaqvs, magram frTxilad unda viyoT, rom Cvens simarTles isev rusuli tanki ar Semohyves, rogorc 90-ian wlebSio. jansuRis opozicioneroba erovnuli iyo _ ar undoda, rom misi miwa-wyali erT larad gayiduliyo da cixeebSi ubedureba momxdariyo, imas ar dauSvebda, rom es protesti rusuli narativis xalxs gamoeyenebina! sowred es Tqva jansuRma inga grigolias gadacemaSi, romelic sabediswero aRmoCnda: „adre gvebrZodnen musulmanebi, axla gvebrZvian rusulmanebio”. swored es gamoiyenes erT-erT ruseTume gazeTSi, sadac avtori vinme d. mxeiZe werils ase iwyebda, axla mkvlelobas Cavdivaro. es Seasrula _ diax, man mkvleloba Caidina! werilis wakiTxvidan oc wuTSi mamas insulti daemarTa, magram daaviwydaT: adamianebi Svilebs im ganwyobiT zrdian, rasac qveynis damoukidebloba da siyvaruli hqvia. me da mamuka swored ase gavizardeT. mamukas, SeiZleba, laparaki ar uyvars, magram jansuRis leqsze _ „himni Tavisuflebas”, romelic 1972 welsaa dawerili, simRera afxazeTis dakargvis dros dawera! CvenSi patriotizmisa da qveynis siyvarulis kodi devs! vici, rom Cemi qveyana evropis ojaxis srulfasovani wevri unda gaxdes! pirvelad 1972 wels gavige, tyvia mizanSi mosaxvedriao. maSin 12-13 wlis viyavi da es CemSi darCa. sxvaTa Soris, mamas 50 wlis iubile rom iyo filarmoniaSi, maSin zviad gamsaxurdia cixeSi ijda. yvelam icis, rom ceka-s erT-erTma mdivanma darbazi datova da amis Sesaxeb mzia xe- Taguris mogonebebSia saubari. _ ratom datova? _ mamas hkiTxes, zviad gamsaxurdiaze ra azris xarTo? imxanad mweralTa kavSiris Tvmjdomaris arCevnebi unda Catarebuliyo da erT-erTi kandidati mama iyo. jansuRma kiTxvaze upasuxa, _ ar vici, zviad gamsaxurdia imas, rac Cafiqrebuli aqvs, rogor ganaxorcielebs, magram zviads saqarTvelo uyvars, amaSi eWvi arasodes Semparvia da arc Semeparebao. am sityvebis Tqma iyo da ceka-s ideologiuri seqtoris xelmZRvaneli wamodga da filarmoniis darbazi datova. mzia xeTaguri wers: mwerlebma erTmaneTs gadavulaparakeT, jansuRi mweralTa kav- Siris Tavmjdomare veRar gaxdebao. asec moxda _ jansuRi mweralTa kavSiris Tavmjdomared aRar miuSves! 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