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12<br />
interviu<br />
mwerali<br />
_ `sabaze~ gamorCeuli gamosvla<br />
gqondaT, originaluri da saxaliso. ram<br />
gagaxsenaT multfilmis gmiri CiburaSka?<br />
_ wels meoTxed gavxdi `sabas~ nominanti.<br />
yovelTvis mqonda gamarjvebis imedi,<br />
romelic bolo wuTs kvdeboda. ukve<br />
Seguebuli viyavi, rom Cemi eqimoba am<br />
konkursSi seriozulad SemiSlida xels.<br />
SeiZleba nominantad warvedgineT, magram<br />
premias ar momcemdnen. welsac igive gancda<br />
mqonda, amitom rodesac gamarjvebulad<br />
gamomacxades, saxtad davrCi. ar arsebobs!<br />
_ aseTi iyo pirveli reaqcia. yvelaze<br />
metad guli imaze damwyda, rom Cemi<br />
gogonebi ukan idgnen da ver davinaxe,<br />
rogor uxarodaT. iseTi gancda mqonda,<br />
TiTqos sadRac gavfrindi. sanam bankis<br />
aivanTan mivedi, sixarulisgan yurebs vapartyunebdi<br />
da etyoba, CiburaSka amitom<br />
gamaxsenda.<br />
wina wlebSi yovelTvis vamzadebdi<br />
xolme samadlobelo sityvas da vicodi,<br />
rom odesme `sabas~ Tu aviRebdi, gamosvlas<br />
ase daviwyebdi: did madlobas vuxdi<br />
skolis qarTuli enis maswavleblebs, imitom,<br />
rom Cemi qarTulis codna mxolod<br />
maT ganapirobes, magram es `odesme~ imdenad<br />
male dadga, davibeni. arada, bevrisTvis<br />
unda gadamexada madloba _ Tundac<br />
paata nacvliSvilisTvis, romelic<br />
Cemi pirveli wignebis gamomcemeli gaxlavT;<br />
araerTi adamianisTvis, vinc literaturaSi<br />
gza damiloca, maT Soris iyvnen<br />
irakli abaSiZe, moris focxiSvili, ioseb<br />
noneSvili; Tamar erisTavisTvis,<br />
romelTanac, marTalia, inglisurze davdiodi,<br />
magram qarTulis siyvaruli misi<br />
damsaxurebacaa. iyo kidev erTi kargi adamiani<br />
– facia paiWaZe, romelic pionerTa<br />
sasaxleSi muSaobda. es qalbatoni<br />
dauzarlad gvakiTxebda da gvixsnida, ratom<br />
ar varga erTi teqsti da ratom aris<br />
kargi meore. erTi sityviT, saintereso<br />
adamianebTan mimarTebaSi gamimarTla.<br />
_ rogor moxda, rom profesiiT eqimi<br />
literaturas miadeqiT?<br />
_ piriqiT iyo. ise gamovida, rom literatori<br />
mivadeqi medicinas. adreuli<br />
bavSvobidan raRacebs vriTmavdi, sami<br />
wlisa erTstrofian leqsebs vwerdi. es<br />
procesi mogvianebiTac gagrZelda, Tumca<br />
periodulad mqonda Cavardnebi, mere<br />
isev viwyebdi weras. samedicino institut-<br />
Si swavlis drosac aqtiuri Semoqmedebi-<br />
Ti cxovrebiT vcxovrobdi – JurnalgazeTebSi<br />
vibeWdebodi, scenaze leqsebs<br />
vkiTxulobdi. marTalia, profesia mere<br />
Semiyvarda, magram literatura CemTvis<br />
gacilebiT metia.<br />
_ zemoTnaxseneb cnobil poetebTan<br />
rogor aRmoCndiT?<br />
_ dedaCemis damsaxurebiT. momkidebda<br />
xels pionerisyelsaxvevian, wiTelbaf-<br />
Tian gogonas da mivdiodiT romelime cnobil<br />
poetTan Cemi `Semoqmedebis~ warsadgenad.<br />
Zalian sasacilo iyo Sexvedra ioseb<br />
noneSvilTan, romelmac sakuTari leqsebi<br />
wamikiTxa da wignzec wamiwera. meore<br />
dRes SemTxveviT Semxvda da momesalma.<br />
saxlSi ki ar mivedi, mivfrindi. yvelas vaxare,<br />
noneSvilma micno da miTxra _ mogesalmebaT<br />
mgosanio. arada, aRmoCnda, Turme<br />
yvelas, ucnobebsac, ase esalmeboda.<br />
SoTa niSnianiZes mivwere erTxel werili.<br />
mere didxans vijeqi da pasuxs fostis<br />
yuTSi velodi. Zalian mZafri gamoxmaureba<br />
mqonda mis erT leqsze, romelic<br />
pesimisturad momeCvena da ver vapatie.<br />
terenti granelis pesimizmi miyvarda, magram<br />
SoTa niSnianiZe yovelTvis optimizmiT<br />
aRsavse unda yofiliyo, omaxiani.<br />
yovel diliT viWyitebodi fostis yuTSi,<br />
magram ar movida batoni SoTasgan pasuxi.<br />
aseTive gulisfancqaliT velodi `norC<br />
leninels~, sadac erTi-orjer davibeWde.<br />
literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi<br />
gazeTi<br />
12 agvisto - 1 seqtemberi 2011<br />
maka miqelaZe:<br />
`Cemi pirveli seriozuli<br />
publikacia skandals ukavSirdeba~<br />
`sruliad originaluri xelweris mqone avtori, daxvewili mwerluri eniT. ar gaurbis neologizmebs,<br />
enobriv gadaxrebs da aqvs stilis saocari SegrZneba~ _ ase warudgina wlevandeli `sabas~ Jiuris wevrma,<br />
manana RaribaSvilma auditorias `saukeTeso prozauli krebulis~ gamarjvebuli, maka miqelaZe. `me da<br />
Cemi kusturica~ misi rigiT meoTxe krebulia. manamde iyo `fleSi,~ `narCeni movlenebi~, `weros jvari~.<br />
beso xvedeliZesTan erTad dawera eqsperimentuli romani `ixvis tolma~, cota xnis win misi avtorobiT<br />
kidev erTi romani _ `wamyvani organo~ vixileT. profesiiT fsiqoTerapevtia da narkologiis institutSi<br />
muSaobs. mZime samuSaos miuxedavad, werisTvis dros yovelTvis poulobs, radgan literatura mis<br />
cxovrebaSi umTavresia. dRes maka miqelaZe Cveni stumaria.<br />
mokled, patara lenineli gogo viyavi. SedarebiT<br />
mozrdil asakSi iza orjonikiZesTan<br />
aRmovCndi, romelmac bevr rameze<br />
`amixila~ Tvali. samedicinoze ginda, ara,<br />
Cabareba, aTi Svilis yola da Tan mwerlobasac<br />
apireb?ar gamogivao – miTxra pirdapir.<br />
ai, me aseTi leqsi maqvs _ `ar gamovida<br />
Cemgan coli da buxris kata~, imitom<br />
rom, es, genacvale, SeuTavsebadiao. asec<br />
moxda _ mxolod ori Svili myavs, Tumca<br />
arian adamianebi, vinc am yvelafers axerxebs.<br />
amisTvis viRacas Zalian unda undodes,<br />
rom es gamogivides.<br />
_ pirveli nawerebi rogor dabeWdeT?<br />
_ pirveli seriozuli publikacia<br />
skandals ukavSirdeba _ SturmiT viRebdi<br />
`ciskars~. im periodSi es erTaderTi<br />
literaturuli Jurnali iyo da gadavwyvite,<br />
ramdenime leqsi mimetana. orjer<br />
uariT gamomistumres _ debiutantebisTvis<br />
`nobaTi~ gvaqvs da iq mibrZandiTo.<br />
rogorc iqna, mivedi `nobaTSi~ da Tengiz<br />
Calaurs leqsebis rveuli davutove. warmoidgineT,<br />
ra raodenobis naweri unda<br />
waekiTxa mas da, bunebrivia, ver moaswro.<br />
ori kviris Semdeg gaviare da momibodiSa,<br />
Tqveni leqsebi sustia da ver davbeWdav-<br />
To. ar wagikiTxavT-meTqi _ Sevepasuxe<br />
da Cemi leqsebis rveuli imave adgilidan<br />
gamovutane, sadac davtove. bevri icina,<br />
mere leqsebi waikiTxa da ramdenime damibe-<br />
Wda. mere morismac gamomiqveyna leqsebi,<br />
`arilSic~ davibeWde. maxsovs, es iyo `sami<br />
moTxroba omze~ da mogvianebiT moTxroba<br />
_ `gvirabi,~ romelsac gamoxmaureba<br />
mohyva. es Temebi Semdeg darCa Cems SemoqmedebaSi.<br />
_ pirveli wignic skandals xom ar<br />
ukavSirdeba?<br />
_ esec araordinaruli istoriaa.<br />
pirveli wignebi paata nacvliSvilma<br />
damibeWda, romelic modelis rangSi gavicani.<br />
`vogis~ konkursSi vmonawileobdi,<br />
isini ki am konkurss aSuqebdnen. vi-<br />
Tavxede da paatas leqsebis mitana Sev-<br />
Tavaze. momitane erTio _ miTxra da Turme<br />
didi ganadgurebisTvis moemzada. erTi<br />
kviris Semdeg damireka, Seni gakritikeba<br />
mindoda, magram ar gamomivida, aseTs ar<br />
velodio. cota xanSi wignebis gamocema<br />
SemomTavaza. yvelaferi moamzada da is<br />
droa, stambaSi unda gavgzavnoT, rom<br />
mirekavs aRelvebuli _ araferi ar varga,<br />
uamravi koreqturaa da movdivar SenTano.<br />
warmoidgineT, ra dReSi Cavvardi. naxevar<br />
saaTSi rekavs zari. sruliad gadafiTrebuli<br />
vaReb kars da vxedav, dgas paata ori<br />
SekvriT – es iyo Cemi wili wignebi. Cems<br />
kivils mihqonda yvelaferi. ai, aseTi siurprizi<br />
momiwyo paata nacvliSvilma.<br />
_ `me da Cemi kusturica~ Tqveni mesame<br />
prozauli krebulia. manamde iyo eqsperimentuli<br />
romani _ `ixvis tolma~,<br />
romelic beso xvedeliZesTan erTad dawereT.<br />
ratom daTanxmdiT am eqsperimentSi<br />
monawileobas?<br />
_ bevrs ainteresebs, rogor vwerdiT<br />
erTad, sad vwerdiT. me da besom SemTxveviT<br />
gavicaniT erTmaneTi. miTxra, rom<br />
aqvs teqsti, romelic, misi azriT, romanad<br />
unda iqces da daxmareba mTxova.<br />
dRevandeli gadasaxedidan albaT sul<br />
sxvanairad ganviTardeboda yvelaferi,<br />
magram maSin aviReT besos naweri, romelic<br />
ukve gamoqveynebuli iyo da Cemi teqstiT<br />
SevavseT. `ixvis tolmac~ amitom<br />
davarqviT _ xorci ukve arsebobda da<br />
axali teqstiT SevfuTeT. weris proces-<br />
Si erTmaneTi TiTqmis ar gvinaxavs. beso<br />
velad iyo gaWrili da telefoniT veZebdi.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, am romanze muSaoba koSmariviT<br />
axsovs: yvelaze karg xasiaTze<br />
rom viyavi, mecxre cidan mxsnida miqela-<br />
Zis kivili – sad xaro?ase, telefoniT var-<br />
kvevdi detalebs. 4 Tvis manZilze erTaderTxel<br />
SevxvdiT da erTad wavikiTxeT<br />
ukve gamzadebuli teqsti. wigni bevrma<br />
moiwona, Tumca vfiqrob, bevrad<br />
saintereso iqneboda, realurad er-<br />
Toblivad rom gvemuSava da ufro metad<br />
gagveziarebina erTmaneTisTvis azrebi.<br />
_ zogadad aseTi eqsperimentebis<br />
mimarT rogor xarT ganwyobili?<br />
_ kargad, radgan orive mwerlis gamdidrebas<br />
emsaxureba. marTalia, Cvengan<br />
ilfi da petrovi ar gamovida, magram<br />
pirveli cdisTvis, mgoni, saintereso<br />
iyo. mere me da besom daviwyeT Tavis gapiareba,<br />
rom davwerdiT Txis kuds, bus<br />
kvercxebs da es iqneboda oTxtomeuli.<br />
mkiTxveli didxans eloda oTxtomeuls,<br />
magram amaod, radgan am dros orive Cven-<br />
Cvens saqmes vakeTebdiT. es arc aris<br />
gasakviri, radgan meore adamianTan er-<br />
Tad romanis dasawerad orive axleburad<br />
unda iyoT savse. Tu imdenad savse<br />
xar, rom SegiZlia saTqmeli martom Tqva,<br />
sxva aRarc gWirdeba. Tanac, am eqsperiments<br />
gayidvisa da gaxmaurebis kuTxiT<br />
didi aqtivoba ar mohyolia.<br />
_ albaT imitom, rom ufro formis<br />
TvalsazrisiT iyo qarTul realobaSi<br />
axali da saintereso.<br />
_ esec aris, Tumca mniSvnelovan<br />
rols TamaSobs erTi faqtoric: rodesac<br />
komerciulad momgebian proeqts<br />
akeTeb, patiosnad unda gaakeTo saqme.<br />
literaturaSi ki es Zalian Znelia.<br />
_ ra TvalsazrisiT?<br />
_ warmoidgineT, mkiTxveli Sengan<br />
gasarTob Jurnals elis, Sen ki seriozul<br />
literaturas apareb. ar davmalav,<br />
rom adamianis teqstTan misayvanad xSirad<br />
mivmarTav sxvadasxva xriks, am sityvis<br />
saukeTeso gagebiT, magaliTad, efeqtur,<br />
brWyviala dasawyiss, e.w. xmaurian<br />
amerikul stils. mkiTxveli mogyveba,<br />
radgan martiv sakiTxavs, sentimentalur<br />
lav-sToris elis. am dros moulodnelad<br />
Txroba `rTuldeba~ da isic iZulebulia<br />
teqsti bolomde waikiTxos,<br />
radgan ukve CaTreulia. zogs moswons<br />
es, zogi ki mTxovs Tavi davanebo aseT<br />
TamaSs da Tavidanve seriozuli naweri<br />
SevTavazo. me ki mgonia, rom es sulac<br />
ar aris miuRebeli. riT aris cudi, rom<br />
mkiTxveli martivad gavides rTul ideaze?<br />
Tumca bolo dros cota momwyinda<br />
es yvelaferi da minda sxva safexurze<br />
gadavide, Tumca amas meti dro an ufro<br />
meti literaturuli varjiSi sWirdeba.<br />
_ literaturuli savarjiSoebi<br />
Svelis saqmes?<br />
_ ki. am dros gamomuSavdeba sxvadasxva<br />
stili, romelic SegiZlia saWiroebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi pirdapir gamoiyeno.<br />
cota xnis win, rodesac romans vwerdi,<br />
Zalian gamiWirda imeruli, svanuri<br />
kiloebiT wera. aRmovaCine, rom TiToeuli<br />
abzaci Cemgan yuradRebis daZabvas da<br />
did Zalisxmevas moiTxovda. darwmunebuli<br />
var, soflis mkvidri lafsusebs<br />
aucileblad aRmoaCens. es ar aris suf-<br />
Ta dialeqtze dawerili teqstebi, rac<br />
literatoris minusia.<br />
_ rogor fiqrobT, ratom aRiniSna<br />
`me da Cemi kusturica~ literaturuli<br />
premiiT, ra aris masSi iseTi, rac<br />
wina krebulebSi ar iyo?<br />
_ pirveli prozauli krebuli _<br />
`fleSi~ saerTod ver moxvda nominant-<br />
Ta siaSi: debiutSi ar Seitanes, radgan<br />
leqsebis krebulebi ukve gamoqveynebuli<br />
mqonda, prozis nominacia ki albaT<br />
did pativad moeCvenaT CemTvis. arada,<br />
`fleSi~ am wigns arafriT Camouvardeba,<br />
iseve, rogorc `weros jvari~. Ti-<br />
ToeulSi 7-8 moTxrobaa da yvela TiTqmis<br />
erTi rangis.<br />
_ momeCvena, rom stili mkveTrad ar<br />
Secvlila.<br />
_ ara, ubralod `me da Cemi kusturica~<br />
erTi ramiTaa Zalian saintereso _ ufro<br />
mTliania, Sekruli da Tematikac gacilebiT<br />
mravalferovania. omis Temaa wamoweuli –<br />
ara marto agvistos, soxumisa da didi samamulo<br />
omisac. siyvarulis, rwmenis, Surisa da<br />
misi damarcxebis Temebic aqtualuria.<br />
kidev erTi detali _ am wignSi ufro meti<br />
Tavisufleba miveci sakuTar Tavs tradiciuli<br />
formebidan gamosvlisa da mwerluri<br />
Ziebebis TvalsazrisiT, ramac teqstebi<br />
ufro saintereso gaxada.<br />
_ saTauric mimzidvelia, uxeSad rom<br />
vTqvaT, momgebiani.<br />
_ geTanxmebiT. sxvaTa Soris, es<br />
moTxroba arafriT exeba cnobil reJisors,<br />
garda imisa, rom mTavari gmiri omis periodSi<br />
uyurebs kusturicas filmebs, rac<br />
garkveulwilad gadaarCens kidec. ranairad<br />
SeiZleba gavicinoT, roca irgvliv omia?<br />
_ aseTia mTavari SekiTxva, razec vpasuxob,<br />
rom Cven amas yovelTvis vaxerxebdiT.<br />
moTxrobaSi bevri iumoria, rac aseve damaxasiaTebelia<br />
Cemi teqstebisTvis. Cems<br />
moTxrobebSi yovelTvis geRimeba. erTi-or<br />
adgilas gagecineba kidec, rac unda mZime<br />
iyos Tematika.<br />
_ gamorCeulad sayvareli moTxroba<br />
Tu gaqvT?<br />
_ Zalian miyvars `erTi moTxroba am<br />
rTul cekvaze,~ axal krebulSi _ `Zmebi<br />
frTebiT,~ Surze miyvars moTxroba,<br />
romelsac hqvia `erTi moTxroba or rTul<br />
simReraze~ da qarTul xalxur simReras<br />
exeba. masSi aRwerilia erTi qarTvelis<br />
gancdebi, romelic ver mReris da es saSinlad<br />
tanjavs. sxvaTa Soris, dRes mgonia, rom<br />
es moTxroba cota sxvanairad unda daweriliyo.<br />
_ gaqvT xolme aseTi momenti?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. amaze xSirad vfiqrob,<br />
Tumca Camoyalibebuli pozicia maqvs.<br />
obieqturad rom mivudgeT, rogor SeiZleba<br />
qarTul xalxur simReraze guram doCanaSvilze<br />
ukeT dawero, magram me Cemi<br />
saTqmeli maqvs, romelic mkiTxvels aucileblad<br />
unda gavuziaro.<br />
_ literaturaSi poeziiT moxvediT,<br />
magram dRes rogorc prozaikoss gicnoben.<br />
riTi xsniT amas, ra aris mizezi?<br />
_ mizezs namdvilad ver getyviT. literaturul<br />
wreebSi poetad ufro micnoben,<br />
Tumca radgan moTxrobebi ufro xSirad ibe-<br />
Wdeba, prozasTan moxda Cemi gaigiveba.<br />
wignebic Tanabari raodenobiT maqvs – oTxi<br />
poeturi krebuli da oTxic _ prozauli.<br />
_ romeli Janri ufro Tqvenia?<br />
_ ase ar vmijnav, prozas sxvanairad vwer<br />
da poezias _ sxvanairad, ganwyobas gaaCnia.<br />
gabrazebuli Tu var _ prozis wera<br />
mirCevnia, ufro met energias moiTxovs,<br />
Tumca leqsebsac aranaklebi Sroma sWirdeba.<br />
orive Zalian miyvars. advilad verTvebi<br />
erTidan meoreze. xandaxan bazari mkarnaxobs,<br />
konkretul momentSi ra davwero _<br />
poezia, proza Tu sabavSvo moTxroba.<br />
_ miyvebiT xolme bazris Zaxils?<br />
_ yovelTvis vera, imitom rom Cemi<br />
saqmec maqvs. axla, magaliTad, TavSi maqvs<br />
erTi romani, romelic aucileblad unda<br />
davwero. Tu bevri muSaobis saSualeba momecema,<br />
did romans davwer, Tu ara – SedarebiT<br />
pataras. es aris sasiyvarulo istoria,<br />
romelic mogzaurobaSi gadadis. mas mosdevs<br />
fsiqodrama da poetur-epistolaruli<br />
JanriT mTavrdeba. kidev vmuSaob Cexi<br />
ganmanaTleblis wignze `cicinaTelebi,~<br />
romelic araerT enazea Targmnili da mTeli<br />
evropa icnobs. gvaqvs wignis naxatebi<br />
da pwkaredi, axla teqsti unda iTargmnos.<br />
seqtembrisTvis am proeqtis dasrulebac<br />
minda.<br />
esaubra nana kobaiZe
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