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saqarTvelo-ruseTis dapirispirebasa da arCil tatunaSvilis mkvlelobis Sedegad sazogadoebaSi arsebul ganwyobebze, xelisuflebis qmede- bebsa da arsebul viTarebaSi saWiro gadawyvetilebebze „qronika+~ „nacionaluri moZ- raobis” erT-erT liders nika ruruas esaubra: _ arCil tatunaSvilis ga- catebisa da mkvlelobis (amaSi ukve eWvis Setanac SeuZlebelia) faqtma kidev erTxel gagvaxsena, rom omi jer ar dasrulebula. gagvaxsena, aRgvaS- foTa da ra? _ am faqtma gagvaxsena erTi mTavari ram, rom ruseTi mteria saqarTvelos damoukideblobisa, suverenitetisa, vaRiarebT amas Tu ara. Tu simarTles TvalebSi ar SevxedavT, ruseTi sakuTar mizans, Cveni demokratiuli da Tavisufali momavlis mospobisa, ufro iolad ganaxorcielebs. mogvexseneba, rom „kacma Wiri mala, mala, magram Wirma Tavi ar damalao”. ase rom droa, sinamdviles Tvalebi gavusworoT da SevignoT, _ ruseTisgan Tavdacvis sauke- Teso meTodi ruseTisTvis principuli da mtkice winaaRmdegobis gawevaa. _ bertold brextis sakmaod frTiani da damafiqrebeli fraza: „omi dasrulda, mSvi- dobis geSinodeT, xalxo!” _ qarTulma sazogadoebam damo- ukideblobis verc erT etapze ver gaiazra. arc ki iyo samoqalaqo omi dasrulebuli, afx- azeTi afeTqda, Semdeg TiTqos aRmSenebloba daiwyo da 2008 weli, axla qveyanaSi hibriduli omi mZvinvarebs da mas saer- Tod verc ki vamCnevT da ver vgrZnobT. ra gvWirs da ra xdeba realurad? _ bertold brextis gamona- Tqvami zustad imas niSnavs, rac axla xdeba _ omi ruseTTan grZeldeba, oRond sxva meTodebiT _ konkretulad, hibriduli omis meTodebiT. saqme is aris, rom amas xalxi sakuTar tyavze grZnobs _ ise, rogorc 14 nacia im saministroebisa, vinc Tavdacvis politika unda SeimuSaos. aseve, kargi mTavroba am dros xalxs uxsnis, riT gamoixateba mtris propaganda da me- Todebi, rom amiT adamianebi ar daibnen, panikaSi ar Cavardnen, ar motyuvdnen da erTmaneTs ar daupirispirdnen _ swored esaa rusuli hibriduli teqnologiebis mizani. amitom xalxma unda icodes maT Sesaxeb. „ocne- koka wereTeli 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com es yvelaze radikalur SemTxvevaSi igrZno cxonebulma ar- Cil tatunaSvilma, magram es ar adardebs kabinetebSi mokala- Tebul usindiso da cru xelisuflebas, vinc sakuTar xelfasebsa da keTildReobaze fiqrobs mxolod. _ ramdenad aris brZolisu- nariani qarTuli saxelmwifo am omis sawarmoeblad da saer- Tod, igrZnoba Tu ara es win- aaRmdegoba? aqve davZen, araTu `omi ruseTTan grZeldeba, oRond sxva meTodebiT - konkretulad, hibriduli omis meTodebiT. saqme is aris, rom amas xalxi sakuTar tyavze grZnobs - ise, rogorc es yvelaze radikalur SemTxvevaSi igrZno cxonebulma arCil tatunaSvilma, magram es ar adardebs kabinetebSi mokalaTebul usindiso da cru xelisuflebas, vinc sakuTar xelfasebsa da keTildReobaze fiqrobs mxolod~ rigiTi obivateli, xelisu- flebac ki ar saubrobs imaze, rom swored am wuTebSic mim- dinareobs es omi. _ ideaSi _ Tu saqarTvelo xelisuflebisa da xalxis er- TianobiT mobilizebas moaxdens, Cven diaxac, SegviZlia efeqtiani winaaRmdegobis gaweva. qarTul saxelmwifos aqvs imuniteti, romliTac is Tavs daicavs, magram amas sWirdeba gonieri, gambedavi da patrioti liderSipi, romelic axlandel xelisuflebaSi, saubedurod, ar arsebobs. es sul ar mixaria, bunebrivia. axla sazogadoebam, samoqalaqo seqtorma da politikurma opoziciam unda Seasrulos es valdebuleba qveynis nika rurua: dacvisa, raxan xelisufleba amas ar akeTebs. sxva gza araa. _ am omSi dapirispirebis formebsa da meTodebze vi- saubroT. realurad ras unda akeTebdes saxelmwifo, rogori unda iyos misi strategia da taqtika? _ minimum, saxelmwifo am dros ar unda auqmebdes orive uSiSroebis sabWos, rogorc es „ocnebam” Caidina, radgan swored am uwyebaSi xdeba koordi- ba” amis magvars arafers akeTebs saxelmwifos mdgradobisa da xalxis cnobierebis dasacavad. _ cxadze ucxadesia, rom Cven ar gvaqvs saerTo erovnuli idea, romlis garSemoc SesaZlebeli iqneboda gaerTianeba. imave ruseTs Tavisi neoim- perialituri politika aqvs, romelic Zalmomreobas efu- Zneba, magram es rusi xalxis idead iqca da mentalur rao- `Tavdacvis saukeTeso meTodi ruseTisTvis principuli da mtkice winaaRmdegobis gawevaa~ bamdec ki davida. Cven ar gvaqvs idea, romelic hqonda ger- manias meore msoflio omis Semdeg, an omiTa da atomuri ieriSiT gaCanagebul iaponias. idea, romelic icocxlebda xelisuflebebis cvlis miuxedavad da qarTuli saxelmwifos warmatebis kodi gaxdebo- da. saidan unda movides es idea da vin unda SesTavazos qveynis mosaxleobas igi? _ Zalian kargi kiTxvaa. Cemi azriT, aseTi gamaerTianebeli ideis garSemo konsolidaciis gareSe Znelia suverenobis SenarCunebac ki, araTu ganviTareba da gaZliereba. es idea ki Cveni didi mamuliSvilebis naazrevSi unda veZeboT; Cveni damfuZnebeli mamebis naSromeb- Si: ilia WavWavaZis, iakob gogebaSvilis, vaJa-fSavelas, niko nikolaZis, arCil jorjaZisa da magvarTa publicistikaSi. isini arian Tanamedrove, evropuli da Tavisufali saqarTvelos ideis saTaveebTan mdgomi xalxi da STagonebac maTi nafiqralidan da naRvawidan unda gamovadnoT. es umoklesi gzaa ase- Ti gamaerTianebeli, gasagebi da konsensusis Seqmnis Zalis mqone ideis mignebisa. principSi, Cven is intuiciis doneze viciT, magram am grZnobas aucilebelia, sityvebi davadoT. me Tu mkiTxavT, es idea, zogadad, am sityvebiT gamoixateba: erovnuli Tavisufleba, demokratia da modernizacia, anu intensiuri ganviTareba. magram am sityveb- Si didi da Rrma informaciaa davanebuli da saWiroa, is sruliad SevignoT da SevisisxlxorcoT. _ im pirobebSi, rodesac ruseTis Careva aSS-is an Tun- dac safrangeTis arCevnebSi ukve aravisTvis iwvevs eWvs, rogor fiqrobT, ramdenad aris mosalodneli xelebis faTuri saqarTvelos sapreziden- to arCevnebSi da ra formiT? _ axla ukve eWvs ar iwvevs, rom ruseTi ara marto momaval arCevnebSi Caereva hibriduli meTodebiT _ WorebiT, cil- `xelisufleba garda imisa, rom korumpirebuli da uvicia, is utvinocaa, radgan ar ismens im signalebs, romlebic, wesiT, mas unda uxarodes. amitomac is veRarafer sasikeTos veRar gaakeTebs. Tumca "veRar" arasworia, radgan mas sasikeTo araferi gaukeTebia qveynisTvis, Zalian mcire gamonaklisebis garda, rac aq arc aris mosatani. ruseTi amiT, ra Tqma unda, sargeblobs da misgan Setevebs yvela mimarTulebiT unda velodoT. sabednierod, am brZolaSi axla martoebi ar varT, rogorc 2008 wels da mTelma Tavisufalma samyarom Seigno, rom ruseTi egzistenciur safrTxes warmoadgens misTvisac, im formiT, rogori ruseTic axla putinis mmarTvelobis qveSaa. axla fsonebi Zalian maRalia da ruseTi aucileblad damarcxdeba Tavisufal samyarosTan WidilSi. Cven istoriis swor mxares vdgavarT da gamarjvebulebi viqnebiT. amisTvis saWiroa erToba, mxneoba da gambedaoba~ 14 N7 (<strong>228</strong>) 6.03-12.03.2018 w.
iswamebiT, trolebiT, dezinformaciiT, organizebuli dana- Saulis gamoyenebiT, _ aramed man es 2012 welsac gaakeTa. Cven amas erTiani sazogadoebrivi da opoziciuri frontiT unda davupirispirdeT, vamxiloT yvela gamovlineba, radgan xelisufleba, visi pirdapiri valdebulebacaa qmedeba, amas Segnebulad ar akeTebs. es danaSaulia 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com `kargi mTavroba am dros xalxs uxsnis, riT gamoixateba mtris propaganda da meTodebi, rom amiT adamianebi ar daibnen, panikaSi ar Cavardnen, ar motyuvdnen da erTmaneTs ar daupirispirdnen - swored esaa rusuli hibriduli teqnologiebis mizani. amitom xalxma unda icodes maT Sesaxeb. "ocneba" amis magvars arafers akeTebs saxelmwifos mdgradobisa da xalxis cnobierebis dasacavad~ qveynis winaSe da „qarTuli ocneba” istoriaSi swored ase samarcxvinod Sedis. vimeoreb, es ar mixaria, radgan es cudia am qveynisTvisac _ Cveni mravaltanjuli saqarTvelosTvis. magram swored saqarTvelosTvis unda CamovarTvaT qveynis mar- Tvis sadaveebi dRevandel kolaboracionist xelisuflebas da qveyana jansaRi ganviTarebis gzaze gaviyvanoT. axla is stagnaciaSia da amas yvela xedavs, vinc Tavs ar isulelebs da ar xeirobs qveynis dangrevis xarjze. _ dabolos, xelisuflebas ar uyvars arc rCevebi, arc safrTxeebze miTiTeba. amis miuxedavad, ra prognozebis gakeTeba SeiZleba arsebuli viTarebis gaTvaliswinebiT? samomav- lod sad da romeli mimarTulebiT unda velodoT morig Set- evebs „erTmorwmune” „ufrosi Zmisgan” da rogor SevamciroT mosalodneli safrTxeebi? _ xelisufleba garda imisa, rom korumpirebuli da uvicia, is utvinocaa, radgan ar ismens im signalebs, romlebic, wesiT, mas unda uxarodes. amitomac is veRarafer sasikeTos veRar gaakeTebs. Tumca „veRar” arasworia, radgan mas sasikeTo araferi gaukeTebia qveynisTvis, Zalian mcire gamonaklisebis garda, rac aq arc aris mosatani. ruseTi amiT, ra Tqma unda, sargeblobs da misgan Setevebs yvela mimarTulebiT unda velodoT. sabednierod, am brZolaSi axla martoebi ar varT, rogorc 2008 wels da mTelma Tavisufalma samyarom Seigno, rom ruseTi egzistenciur safrTxes warmoadgens mis- Tvisac, im formiT, rogori ruseTic axla putinis mmarTvelobis qveSaa. axla fsonebi Zalian maRalia da ruseTi aucileblad damarcxdeba Tavisufal samyarosTan WidilSi. Cven istoriis swor mxares vdgavarT da gamarjvebulebi viqnebiT. amisTvis saWiroa erToba, mxneoba da gambedaoba. `qarTuli ocneba~ sajaro moxeleebs `tituSkebad~ iyenebs~ me-13 gverdidan - mTawmindis qedi Cveulebrivad iWreba, nariyala Cveulebrivad ingreva da artefaqtebi gaaqvT manqaniT da nagavTan erTad yrian. _ ki ar yrian, aguri miaqvT mRvdlebs, cxadia, muqTad. _ magis garda nagavSic iyreba artefaqtebi, gatexili qoTnebi, rac arqeologiuri masalaa. mSeneblobebi Cveulebrivad grZeldeba. ra keTdeba? miwisqveSa gadasasvlelebi SevRebeT. amazec madloba unda vuTxraT, Turme. danarCeni sasikeTo ra moxda? iq metro Camoiqca, ager 14 wlis bavSvi gadmovardnilma SuSam Seiwira, ager rusTavelze, kulturuli memkvidreobis Zegls miadgnen SuaRamisas da angrevdnen, arc erTi specialisti ar iyo adgilze, romelic aswavlis, rogor unda moepyran lisuflebaSi yofnis bolo wels, swored mase miadga repetitorebs, is repetitorobac im xalxis erTaderTi Se- mosavlis wyaro iyo. _ mere me xom ar vambob, rom yvelaferSi marTlebi iyvnen da eg swori gadawyvetileba iyo? jer moagvare ekonomikuri problemebi da mere mosTxove am adamianebs pasuxi. _ ki magram, eg ekonomikuri problemebi marto taqsistebisTvisaa? Tu sxva ixdis gadasaxads, taqsistma ratom ar unda gadaixados? _ yvela rodis ixdis gadasaxads? biZina ivaniSvili bitkoinebs rom awarmoebs, gadasaxads ixdis rames? Tu piriqiT, SeRavaTiani pirobebiT sargeblobs? ramdeni gadasaxadisgan aris ganTavisuflebuli sapatriarqo? vis vTxovT Cven, yvelaze dabal dones, romelic dRe da Rames asworebs, rom vrevda manqanis SuSebs, rom magnitofoni amoecala. ar maxsovs, vinmes agurebze daxvedrodes manqana im periodSi, dRes ra mdgomareoba gvaqvs? sarkeebs xsnian, SuSebsac amtvreven, agurebze Semdgari ramdenime manqanac vixileT, „garaJs” rom daungrev adamians, garantias vin aZlevs, rom mis manqanas araferi mouva? Zalian kargi iniciativaa, magram am problemas ra vuyoT? _ eg gasagebia, magram isic vTqvaT, umetesi „garaJi” isev carielia, sawy- obebad da sakompoteebad aqvT naqcevi da manqanebi isev gareT uyeniaT. _ is, rom es garaJebi qalaqs amaxinjebs, yvelas veTanxmebi, vinc ar unda iyos. _ am „garaJebis” ngrevaSi xom araa misi sxva interesic? Tu mxolod qalaqis ierze zrunavs da amisTvis imterebs am xalxs? Tundac is rom, rig adg- vinme mivida Sexvedraze, rom gaegoT, ra problemebi hqondaT, anazRaureba ki ara, daTvlazec uars eubnebodnen, bolos ra miiRes? sami aTasi lariT daexmarnen da uTxres, „nacionalebTan” erTad gviwyobdiT aqciebs, imaT wisqvilze asxamdiT wyals da Cvengan iTxovT daxmarebaso? axla am movaWreebs hgoniaT, rom maT daexmarebian, Tu Cumad iqnebian, xmas ar amoiReben da televiziebiT ar gamoCndebian. imedi maqvs, rom ar iqneba isev iseTi damcinavi maT mier gaweuli damxareba, magram arc imis imedi maqvs, rom realurad daexmarebian. movaWreebs imedi aqvT, rom srulad aunazRaureben zians, rac, jerjerobiT, arc erTxel momxadara. yvelas eubnebian, ratom ar gqondaT dazRveuli saqonelio. ki, aucileblad unda gqondes saqoneli dazRveuli, magram es xalxi isedac araerT gadasaxads ixdis da kidev Tu dazRvevis safasuri ixada, saxlSi raRa `ra movigeT am matareblebis yidviT? Tu adre xuT saaTSi Cadioda Tbilisidan baTumSi, axla Cadis 4 saaTsa da 40 wuTSi. imis magivrad, rom bevri mgzavri gadagveyvana, mgzavrebis raodenoba ar Secvlila, - rac midioda manamde, igive midis axlac, es matarebeli mogebas ver naxulobs. 45 milioni dolaria gadaxdili, am fuls rodis amoiRebs saqarTvelos rkinigza? 20 wuTis gamo Rirda 45 milionis gadaxda?~ aseT Zeglebs. ra Seicvala? saxeebi mxolod da saxelebi. _ Tumca iniciativebi aqvs taqsebT- an dakavSirebiT. _ iniciativebi wamoayena, ki batono, magram sasikeTo ra aris Tundac taqsis mZRolebisTvis? _ taqsis mZRolebisTvis unda iyos Tu qalaqisTvis? wesiT, ra aris mis am iniciativaSi miuRebeli, ra aris imaSi cudi, Tu taqsiT mgzavrobis sfero mowesrigedeba, an ratom ar unda ibe- grebodnen? _ imasac unda SevxedoT ra ekonomikuri mdgomareoba gvaqvs qveyanaSi. rodesac adamianis erTaderTi Semosavlis wyaro aris taqsaoba da ojaxis gamokvebis erTaderTi saSualeba aris da mas... _ ukacravad, magram romeli partiis wevric xarT, swored eg partia, xe- N7 (<strong>228</strong>) 6.03-12.03.2018 w. rogorme ojaxi gamokvebos? jer biZina ivaniSvils movTxovoT, milionebs rom akeTebs bitkoinebiT da mere movTxovoT sxva danarCensac. aq SerCeviTia yvelaferi, erTi jibidan maqsimalurad unda amoviRoT yvelaferi da meores arc unda mivekaroT. ar SeiZleba imitom, rom is „dabali Robea”, kidev ufro daaWiro fexi. _ kalaZes iniciativa aqvs, aiRos „garaJebi”. Tavis droze, es „nacmoZraob- asac” undoda, magram sazogadoebis mZafri winaaRmdegobis gamo, maleve aiRo xeli. axla kalaZes unda igive da ramdenad gamova? _ rodesac „nacionalurma” moZraobam „garaJebis” ngreva daiwyo, Zalian iyo gamkacrebuli kriminalis winaaRmdeg brZolac da manqanas sarkes veRaravin xsnida, namdvilad ar undoda sarkis gamo cixeSi wasvla. veRaravin amt- ilebSi aTi „garaJi garaJi” rom aiRo, mSve- nieri korpusi Caekvexeba. _ ar vici, samwuxarod, amaT pirobeb- Si veraferze Tavs ver davdeb. xeebs Cexen imisTvis, rom korpusi aSendes da amis gamo rom „garaJebi” daangrion, ra gamosaricxia? ver gamoricxav, magram imedi maqvs, rom amdeni Wkua eyofaT, aseTi ram ar gaakeTon. _ moxerxdeba „garaJebis” aReba? ar moyveba igive, rac moyva „nacionaluri moZraobis” dros? _ vinc winaaRmdegi gamova, isev daiwyeben, Sen „nacionali” xar... zustad iseve, rogorc xdeba damwvari bazrobebis SemTxvevaSi. _ ki, is, visac qoneba daewva, araTu protests ar acxadebs, gasaSuqeblad misul telearxebsac eCxubeba. _ eg imitom xdeba, rom rodesac „bavSvTa samyaro” daiwva da dazaralebulebma bevri ilaparakes televiziebTan, am xelisuflebis mier daisajnen kidec. sanam protesti ar gamoTqves da aqciebi ar moawyves, maTTan arc narmania da arc miitanos? isedac gaWirvebaa, gaZvirebulia yvelaferi, vaWroba Semcirebulia da raRacas cdilobs es xalxi, rom patara mogeba naxos, ojaxi arCinos da dazRvevis xdas da ulukmapurod darCenas alalbedze mindoba urCevnia, imis imedad, rom ar daiwveba. ambobdnen, avtomatebidan vTiSavdiT dens, rom xanZari ar gaCeniliyoo, magram mainc gaCnda. gamo- Ziebas Tu velodeT, wlebi mogviwevs lodini, imitom rom 2012 wlidan moyolebuli jer verc erTi faqti ver gaixsna bolomde, SemTxvevebs abraleben yvelafers da ase SemTxveviT 12 bazroba 6 wlis ganmavlobaSi rogor daiwva? am xalxs, jerjerobiT, imedi aqvs, rom daexmarebian, magram rogorc ki ar daexmarebian, pirveli TviTon iqnebian, vinc gamova da ilaparakebs. imedi maqvs, daxmarebas gauweven. Tu dasWirdaT, me piradad mzad var, maT gverdiT vidge, rogorc videqi „bavSvTa samyaros” SemTxvevaSi. aucileblad davudgebiT gverdiT, riTic SegveZleba da rogorc SegveZleba. 15
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