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denad da ra sferoSi moaxdina
„ocnebam” Tqveni imedebis, xatovnad
rom vTqvaT, ocnebebis real-
izeba da ra migaCniaT mis yvelaze
did warmatebad, aseve nurc
warumateblobasa da qveynisTvis
miyenebul zians daviviwyebT...
_ miyenebul zianze imdeni visaubreT
laris inflaciiT da sabanko
kreditebis uprecedento
zrdiT dawyebuli da kidev imdens
visaubrebT, obieqturobisTvis
isic vTqvaT, ra gaakeTes an risi
gakeTebis mcdeloba hqondaT: Tavisufali
vaWrobis xelSekrulebis
gaformeba da uvizo reJimi
evrokavSirTan, raSic, am xelisuflebasTan
erTad, yvela wina xelisuflebis
wvlilic aris Cadebuli;
Tavisufali vaWrobis xelSekruleba
CineTTan; sul axlaxan,
merkelis vizitis dros gaJRerebuli
informacia, rom germania
daafinansebs saqarTveloSi
gazsacavis mSeneblobas, rac strategiuli
mniSvnelobisaa Cveni
eneregetikuli usafrTxoebisTvis
da risi aSenebis mcdeloba, jer
kidev, SevardnaZesa da saakaSvils
hqondaT; da sul ori dRis win
gacxadebuli premieris axali iniciativa
_ ganaTlebis dafinansebis
10-12%-mde zrda saqarTvelos
biujetSi, rac uprecedento nabijia
damoukidebeli saqarTvelos
istoriaSi. sxva saqmea, ramdenad
miecema mas am ideis saqmed qcevis
saSualeba.
gayinul proeqtTagan aRvniSnavdi
teqnologiuri universitetis
ideas, romelic saqarTvelos
regionis saganmanaTleblo centrad
gadaqcevis winapiroba iyo
da mTeli qveynis internetizaciis
proeqts, romelic saqarTvelos
mosaxleobis ganaTlebisa da
cnobierebis amaRlebisa da horizontis
gafarToebis, Tanamedroveobis
saukeTeso miRwevebTan
ziarebis unikaluri SesaZlebloba
iyo, magram dapirebad darCa.
sxva axla araferi maxsendeba.
_ parlamentis win Svilmoklu-
li mamebi dganan da samarTlianobas
iTxoven. ra STabeWdileba
datova Tqvenze komisiis saja-
ro sxdomebma da, zogadad, ra
fenomenia es, rodesac yvela xe-
lisuflebis pirobebSi mSoblebs
ebs
isgebaSi micema kidev ufro did
ubedurebas daudebs saTaves. magram
Svilmkvdar mamas hkiTxeT,
misTvis es ra SeRavaTia?! is xom
mainc Cans, rom mtkicebulebebi
ganadgurebulia da maSin imaT
daekisroT pasuxismgebloba, vinc
es Caidina. sxvagvarad am saqmes
araferi eSveleba da im fonze,
roca qveyanaSi isedac uamravi
gamowvevaa: „iberiis” saqme, marixuanis
saqme da eklesiis azvirTeba,
zurabiSvilis Tema _ samarTlianobisTvis
brZolis sakiTxi kidev
ufro did masStabebs SeiZens.
_ axla qveynis farglebs gavcdeT.
saqarTvelos irgvliv sakmaod
saintereso da, amavdrou-
lad, rTuli viTarebaa Seqmnili:
irani, TurqeTi, ruseTis koali-
cia da siriis sakiTxi. ruseTis
yvelaze masStaburi samxedro
wvrTnebi, romelsac arc ki imCn-
even saqarTveloSi, aSS da misi
damokidebuleba imave ruseTisa
Tu axlo aRmosavleTis problemebis
mimarT, CineTis mier ruse-
Tis winaaRmdeg sanqciebisadmi
nawilobrivi mierTeba, relig-
iuri sakiTxebi, rasac yvelaze
advilad SeiZleba mohyves araTu
xalxebs Soris, aramed saxelmwifoebs
Soris dapirispireba, den-
ispir, dganan TurqeTisa da ruse-
Tis samxedro Zalebi _ wina dReebTan
SedarebiT eskalaciam TiTqos
iklo, magram ruseTisa da
TurqeTis konfliqtis sapirispiro
mxareebad CarTvis alba-
Toba, jer kidev, arsebobs, aqedan
gamomdinare SedegebiT. aRarafers
vambobT im humanitarul
krizisze, romelic 3 milion-naxevrian
qalaqSi sabrZolo moqmedebebis
dawyebas SeiZleba mohyves.
meore informacia siriis konfliqts
ar exeba, Tumca isev ruseTTan
kavSirSia: am informaciis
Tanaxmad, romelsac Tavad rusuli
saagnetoebi avrceleben, Cine-
Ti dasavleTis antirusul sanqciebs
SeuerTda da rusul kompaniebs
uars eubneba sabanko
tranzaqciebze, rac kidev ufro
amZimebs ruseTis ekonomikas.
am ori informaciis zedapiruli
analizic ki aCvenebs mkiTxvels,
ramdenad rTul da araprognozirebad
garemoSi uwevs saqarTvelos
dRes gadarCenisTvis
brZola. ramdenad adekvaturia
saqarTvelos xelisufleba Seqmnili
realobis, es calke sakiTxia.
_ ras fiqrobT, ratom gaiwe-
orc ruseTSi arsebuli reJimis
dasustebis erT-erTi inspiratori,
rogorc rusuli opoziciisTvis
warmatebuli revoluciisa
da reformebis magaliTi da a. S.
am funqciebiT saqarTvelom
aSS-is TvalSi Tavisi roli amowura.
dRes ruseTi aSS-isTvis imgavr
Tavis tkivilad iqca, romelsac
aseTi politikuri TamaSebiT verafers
daakleb, amitom aqcentebmac
gadainacvla: ruseTis Sesaviwroeblad
sxva berketebi, sxva
mocemuloba da sxva qveynebTan aqtiuri
partniorobaa saWiro.
saqarTvelo, ra Tqma unda, rCeba
regionSi aSS-is strategiuli interesis
sagnad, magram, jerjerobiT,
pasiur rolSi. amerikis myar
interesze metyvelebs is uprecedento
samxedro daxmareba, romelsac
amerika aRmogviCnes uaxloesi
sami wlis ganmavlobaSi da
romlis msgavsic TiTqmis 15 welia,
ar yofila. miuxedavad amisa,
`ratom SeaCeres arCevani
zurabiSvilze da ara, magaliTad,
realurad damoukidebel daviT
usufaSvilze?! imitom, rom
momaval prezidents, Teoriulad,
miuxedavad mcire uflebebisa, aqvs
realuri Sansi saerTo-saxalxo
liderad qcevis, ukmayofilo
sazogadoebisa da opoziciuri
politikuri speqtris
gaerTianebis da am talRaze 2020-
Si xelisuflebis cvlilebis. unda
es `ocnebas~?! ar unda. amitomac
airCies ukiduresad
konfrontaciuli zurabiSvili,
romelic verasdros veravis
gaaerTianebs. vfiqrob, es aris
ZiriTadi mizezi masze arCevanis
SeCerebis~
amerikis dRevandel politikas
saqarTvelos mimarT ase aRvwerdi:
jer ruseTsa da sxva problemebs
movuaroT, saqarTvelo _
arsad gaiqceva. gaqcevisa ra giTxraT,
magram Tu amerikam saqar-
Tvelos interesebis dacva ar gaa-
Zliera, SeiZleba namdvilad davi-
mis mesijebSi da, zogadad, ram-
denad „samarTliania” evropa Cven
mimarT?
me mgoni, problema ara imdenad
evropis saqarTvelos mimarT
nelTbil damokidebulebaSia,
aramed imaSi, Tu Cven rogor, ra
rolSi viazrebT Tavs evropas-
Tan urTierTobaSi. rac Seexeba
uSualod merkelis vizits, saqarTveloSi
misi vizitis oficialuri
mxaridan, vfiqrob, CvenTvis
yvelaze mniSvnelovani gazsacavis
dafinansebis Temaa, razec
zemoT visaubreT da is perspeqtiva,
rac saqarTvelos samxre-
Tis gazis derefniT evropaSi
gazis miwodebis SemTxvevaSi uCndeba.
germanias sakuTari energoresursebis
bazris diversificireba
surs, amitomac is samxreTis
gazis derefnis gafar-
Toebas emxroba, raTa perspeqtivaSi
bunebrivi airi miiRos sxva
qveynebisgan, maT Soris, TurqmeneTisgan,
iranisgan da erayisgan.
miT ufro, rom merkelis vizitamde
cota xniT adre xeli moewera
ruseTs, irans, yazaxeTs, azerbaijansa
da TurqmeneTs Soris
kaspiis zRvis statusis Sesaxeb
miRweul SeTanxmebas.
_ dabolos, isev qarTul
politikas davubrundeT, sakmaod
ritorikuli da, amavdroulad,
cinizmiT aRsavse kiTxviT, _ gveS-
veleba rame?
_ gveSveleba Tu feisbukebidan
gamovZvrebiT, sakuTari komfortis
zonebs davtovebT da realurad
pasuxismgebliani moqalaqeebi
gavxdebiT. martiv magaliTs
mogiyvanT: yvelam viciT, rom rac
ufro naklebi xalxi miva arCevnebze,
miT ufro realuri gaxdeba
ararealuri _ zurabiSvilis
gamarjveba arCevnebze, radgan xelisufleba
mobilizebas gauke-
Tebs administraciul resurss da
cota misulSi administraciuli
resursis xmebi gadamwyveti aRmoCndeba.
an Tundac is, rom amomrCevelTa
umetesobam ar icis,
rom yvela kandidatis gadaxazvis
SemTxvevaSi biuleteni baTildeba
da amiT isev arCevnebze misul
amomrCevelTa ricxvi mcirdeba.
ras vakeTebT am dros Cven, sam-
`Tu aSS-m saqarTvelos interesebis dacva ar
gaaZliera, SeiZleba namdvilad daviqceT~
ase uxdebaT mokluli Svilebis
dacva da samarTlianobisTvis
brZola?
_ mokled rom vTqvaT, amas
hqvia sibece, erTi sisulelisa Tu
danaSaulis meore, ufro didi
danaSauliT gadafarvis briyvuli
mcdeloba, winamorbedebis Secdomebis
gauTvaliswinebloba, ri-
Tac sabolood xelisuflebis
TviTganadgurebis reJimi irTveba.
ramdenadac vici, „saraliZis
saqme” isea gafuWebuli, rom darwmunebulni
romc viyoT, realuri
mkvleli vin aris, mtkicebulebebi
gamqralia da mtkicebulebebTan
erTad gamqralia mkvlelis
dasjis samarTlebrivi safuZvlebic.
samarTlebrivi safuZvlebis
gareSe mxolod empiriuli
codniT vinmes daWera da pasux-
Tis kasrze mjdari azerbaijani
da somxeTi. cxadia, rom saqarTv-
elos xelisufleba arc ki
apirebs calkeuli momgebiani
Temebis qveynis sasikeTod gamoy-
enebas, magram aseve cxadia, rom
yvela CamoTvlili sakiTxi Sesa-
Zloa, pirdapir da iribad Segvex-
os. rogoria Tqveni Sefasebebi am
mimarTebiT?
_ am sakiTxze msjelobas calke
sagazeTo interviu ver daitevs,
amitom amjerad mxolod or saintereso
informaciaze SevCerdebi,
romelic TvalnaTliv aRwers,
ramdenad mniSvnelovani procesebi
midis saqarTvelos garSemo da
samezobloSi:
siriis qalaq idlibTan konfliqtis
monawile sxva mxareebis
gverdiT, magram erTmaneTis pir-
la amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi aSS-
is mier elCis daniSvna saqa-
rTveloSi. ramdenad aqvs amas
dakvirvebiTi an, gnebavT, poli-
tikuri Semadgeneli, Tu ufro
teqnikuri faqtoria?
_ vTanxmdebiT imaze, rom saqarTvelo
aSS-is strategiuli
partnioria. magram, amasTan er-
Tad, amerikis zogierTi administraciisTvis
saqarTvelos damatebiTi
funqcia hqonda da, Sesabamisad,
mis mimarT interesi ufro
didi iyo, vidre dRes aris. magaliTad,
roca saqarTvelo iyo
feradi revoluciebis pioneri da
eqsportiori: swored warmatebuli
„vardebis revoluciis” kvaldakval
Sedga ukrainis „narinjisferi
revolucia” da „arabuli
gazafxuli”. an saqarTvelo, rog-
qceT. es saSiSroeba ki saqarTvelos
xelisuflebam, politikurma
speqtrma da sazogadoebam unda
daanaxvos amerikas: trampis administraciaSi
imdeni saqarTvelos
kargad mcnobi da gulSematkivaria,
rom maTTan intensiuri
urTierToba, vfiqrob, bevrad gauiolebs
saqarTvelos mojarul
problemebTan gamklavebas.
_ ar SemiZlia ar gkiTxoT mer-
kelis vizitze. simarTle giTx-
raT, im mesijebsac ki, romelic
kanclerma gaaJRera, gonieri xe-
lisufleba sakmaod efeqtianad
da perspeqtivaSi pozitiurad
gamoiynebda. Cven ise viTxovT
natoSi Sesvlas, TiTqos marTla
vimsaxurebdeT Tundac am farsis
demokratiis pirobebSi. TqvenT-
vis ra iyo yvelaze mniSvnelovani
oqalaqo aqtivistebi? _ arafers,
Tavze nacars viyriT feisbukze.
nacvlad imisa, rom SevikriboT 20-
25 kaci, gavakeToT Tundac kustaruli
socialuri klipi, sadac
zemoT Tqmuls gasagebad avuxsniT
amomrCevels da davatrialoT
igive feisbukSi. fuli unda amas?!
ara, Tavis da gulis ganZreva
unda. magram Cven gvirCevnia: me
Cems patara bizness mivxedo, Tqven
_ Tqvens Jurnalistur saqmianobas,
sxva Cvenma kolegam Tu megobarma
Tavis arasamTavrobos da
grantebs da varT ase Cvenc, sxvisi
xelis Semyureebi, mesiis molodinSi.
me mgoni, yvelas gvakmayofilebs
Cveni roli. hoda, viqnebiT
ase, sanam xels ar gavanZrevT da
metis miRwevis survili ar gagviCndeba.
N28 (249) 18.09-24.09.2018 w.
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