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esec rom ar iyos, magaTi dro 

ukve wavida. 2020 wels saqarTveloSi 

saparlamento arCevnebi 

tardeba. 2020 wels saqarTveloze 

ruseTis kontroli mTavrdeba. 

kremli aq veranair resurss ver 

gamoiyenebs, rac aqamde ar gamouyenebia. 

„qarTuli ocnebac” warmavalia 

da „nacionaluri” moZraobac 

Tavis klonebianad. 2020 wlis Semodgomaze 

erTic dasruldeba da 

_ meorec. 

qarTul politikaSi seriozul 

siaxleebs vixilavT, sadac am ori 

Zalis adgili ar iqneba. rac ar 

unda moimoqmedon, am process ver 

Seaneleben. 

iciT, ratom iyo gasul wels da 

mimdinare wlis dasawyisSi yofili 

xelisufleba aseTi aqtiuri? _ 

riggareSe arCevnebi surdaT. amaSi 

maT „ocnebac” xels uwyobda. 

orives awyobda riggareSe arCevnebi. 

orivem icis, rom 2020 wels aq 

amerika aqtiurad Caereva da ruse- 

Tis marTuli ZalebisTvis adgili 

aRar darCeba. 

riggareSe arCevnebis SemTxveva- 

Si ki raRac kombinaciis gaTamaSeba 

SeeZloT. moskovs ukve gadawyvetili 

aqvs politikidan ivaniSvilis 

gayvana. CaTvaleT, rom is 

ukve gahyavT qarTuli politikidan. 

mis adgilze bokeria unda daesvaT 

da dasavleTisTvis is, rogorc 

prodasavluri Zala, ise unda 

SeeCeCebinaT. es gegmac CauvardaT 

_ yvela da yvelaferi gaSifrulia. 

3


naxsenebia Tu ara dvaliSvilis 

„girCi” erovnuli bankis sacav- 

giorgi abaSiZe 

Si daculi bankis yofili prezidentis, 

demur dvaliSvilis Canaw- 

erebis gasajaroebas iTxovs! es moTxovna ki „girCs” mas Semdeg 

gauCnda, rac partiis Tavmjdomaris, iago xviCias gadacema 

„procesSi” erovnuli bankis yofilma prezidentma, amJamad 

„nacionaluri moZraobis” saparlamento fraqciis Tavmjdomare 

roman gociriZem Tqva, rom dvaliSvilis Canawerebi nanaxi aqvs. 

nis moqalaqeebma gaigon simarTle!” 

_ naTqvamia iago xviCias gancxadebaSi, 

romelic man erovnul 

banks gaugzavna. 

qveynis mTavarma safinanso institutma 

xviCias „dvaliSvilis 

Canawerebis” arseboba daudastura, 

Tumca acnoba, rom es Canawerebi 

saxelmwifo saidumlos Seicavs da 

amitom sasamarTlos nebarTvis 

gasagebia, rom es dokumentacia 

arsebobs da radgan gavige, es 

Canawerebi sad inaxeba, erovnul 

banksac amitom mivmarTe. 

_ dvaliSvilis TviTmkvlelo- 

bas, Tavis droze, Zalian didi 

skandali moyva. am tragediidan 

oc welze meti gavida da erov- 

nul banks saWirod rom CaeTvala, 

dvaliSvilis Canawerebs aqamde, 

_ mokled, im maqinaciebma, romlebic 

SesaZloa, dvaliSvilis dokumentebSi 

iyos asaxuli, saboloo 

jamSi, kuponis kursis katastrofuli 

vardna gamoiwvia. es ki qveynis 

ekonomikisTvis bevri, maT 

Soris, anabrebis mimarTulebiTac, 

damangreveli iyo. amitom, sainteresoa, 

sazogadoebam icodes, 

yvelaferi es vis saxelsa da gvars 

„gacnobebT, rom Cemi saavtoro 

gadacema „procesis” 31 agvistos 

gamoSvebaSi saqarTvelos parlamentis 

amJamindelma wevrma da 

saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis yofilma 

prezidentma, b-nma roman 

gociriZem, Semdegi ganacxada: saqarTvelos 

erovnuli bankis sacav- 

Si inaxeba bankis yofili prezidentis, 

b-ni demur dvaliSvilis Canawerebi, 

sadac detalurad aris aRricxuli, 

visze da ra odenobebiT 

gaicemoda maSindel prezident, b- 

n eduard SevardnaZis miTiTebiT 

sesxebi. b-ni romanis gancxadebiT, 

mas nanaxi aqvs es Canawerebi, rodesac 

is iyo erovnuli bankis prezidenti 

da is bankis specialur sacavSi 

swored misi miTiTebiT Seinaxes. 

msurs SegaxsenoT Semdegi 

garemoebebi: 1. b-ni demur dvaliSvili 

iyo prezident eduard SevardnaZesTan 

daaxloebuli piri, 

igi ikavebda erovnuli bankis prezidentis 

Tanamdebobas da, Sesabamisad, 

pasuxismgebeli iyo qveynis 

fulad-sakredito politikaze 

1992 wlis noembridan 1993 wlis 

noembramde; 2. 1993 wlis 5 aprils 

gamovida kuponi, xolo 1993 wlis 

20 agvistodan kuponi gamocxadda 

erTaderT sagadamxdelo saSualebad 

qveynis masStabiT. kuponis hiperinflaciam, 

praqtikulad, Ratakad 

aqcia saqarTvelos mosaxleoba; 

3. 1992 wels saqarTveloSi daiwyo 

pirveli privatizaciis procesi, 

romlis Sedegadac sabWoTa 

saqarTvelos sakuTrebaSi arsebuli 

aqtivebis mniSvnelovani nawili 

aRmoCnda erTeuli korumpirebuli 

adamianebis xelSi. arsebobs safuZvliani 

eWvi, rom am aqtivebis 

xelSi Cagdeba xdeboda saqarTvelos 

prezidentis miTiTebiT, erovnuli 

bankidan gatanili sesxebiT, 

romelTa didi nawili ukan ar 

dabrunebula, an Canacvlda erovnuli 

bankis mier infilirebuli da 

gaufasurebuli kuponebiT; 4. b-ni 

demur dvaliSvilis prezidentobas 

emTxveva sabWoTa anabrebis gaufasurebis 

periodi. saqarTvelos 

prezidentis 2002 wlis 20 martis 

gankargulebis safuZvelze Seqmnili 

sabWoTa anabrebis gaufasurebis 

mizezebis Semswavleli komisiis 

angariSiT, romelic inaxeba komisiis 

Tavmjdomaris, b-ni elguja 

meqvabiSvilis pirad arqivSi, sab- 

WoTa anabrebis gaufasureba dakav- 

Sirebulia 90-iani wlebis pirvel 

naxevarSi ganviTarebul hiperinflaciur 

procesebTan. xolo 

saqarTvelos parlamentis biuros 

2004 wlis 15 noembris #34 dadgenilebiT 

Seqmnili 1992-1993 wleb- 

Si saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis anabrebis 

gaufasurebis mizezebis Semswavleli 

saparlamento momxsenebelTa 

jgufis mier Sedgenili 

daskvniT _ erT-erTi yvelaze mniSvnelovani 

faqtori da, amave dros, 

mTavari mizezi anabrebis gaufasurebisa 

iyo saqarTvelos erovnuli 

bankis fulad-sakredito politika; 

ratom 

dainteresda 

`girCi~ 

dvaliSvilis 

saqmiT da ratom 

ar unda iago 

xviCias vano 

zardiaSvilze 

saubari? 

5. b-nma demur dvaliSvilma sicocxle 

TviTmkvlelobiT daasrula 

1994 wlis 9 seqtembers. aRniSnuli 

garemoebebis gaTvaliswinebiT, 

erovnuli bankis sacavSi arsebuli 

bankis yofili prezidentis, 

b-ni dvaliSvilis Canawerebi 

SesaZloa Seicavdes umniSvnelovanes 

informacias imis Taobaze Tu: 

a) rogor gawires kuponis gaufasurebiT 

qveynis mosaxleoba 

SimSilisTvis?! 

b) rogor moaxerxa erTi muWa 

adamianebis jgufma viTom samar- 

Tliani privatizaciis gziT uzarmazari 

qonebis xelSi Cagdeba?! 

g) rogor da sad gaqra aq mcxovrebi 

adamianebis mier wlebis 

ganmavlobaSi sabWoTa anabrebis 

saxiT nakeTebi danazogi? 

politikuri gaerTianeba „gir- 

Ci” miiCnevs, rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs 

ufleba aqvT, srulad 

flobdnen informacias zemoT 

aRniSnul movlenebTan dakavSirebiT, 

romelmac, ruseTis samxedro 

agresiasTan da Tbilisis samoqalaqo 

omTan erTad, 90-iani wlebis 

dasawyisSi, praqtikulad, gaanadgura 

es qveyana. metic, Cveni varaudiT, 

aseTi mniSvnelobis Canawerebis 

gasajaroebis nabiji ar gadadga 

arc erTma xelisuflebam, radgan 

saqarTvelos damoukideblobis 

pirvel wlebSi usamarTlod 

gamdidrebuli adamianebi, erTi 

mxriv, yovelTvis sargeblobdnen 

da dRemde sargebloben xelisuflebebTan 

siaxloviT, xolo, meore 

mxriv, warmoadgendnen da 

dResac warmoadgenen am xelisuflebebisTvis 

Zalauflebis mopovebisa 

da Semdeg SenarCunebis 

finansur sayrdens. „girCi” iTxovs 

erovnuli bankis sacavSi daculi 

zemoT aRniSnuli Canawerebis srulad 

gasajaroebas! droa, am qvey- 

gareSe ver gascems. 

mokled, ratom dainteresda 

„girCi” 25 wlis winandeli ambiT? 

_ „qronika+~ iago xviCias esaubra: 

_ iago, rogorc vici, arcTu 

didi xnis win erovnul banks 

erovnuli bankis yofili prezidentis, 

demur dvaliSvilis arqivis 

gasajarovebis TxovniT mi- 

marTeT. 

_ diax. 

_ am sakiTxze, maincdamainc 

erovnul banks ratom mimarTeT 

da ara _ mTavar sagamoZiebo uw- 

yebas? 

_ Cems gadacema „procesSi” roman 

gociriZem Tqva, roca erovnuli 

bankis prezidenti viyavi, bankis 

sacavSi dvaliSvilis Canawerebi 

vnaxe da arqivSi Sevanaxineo. ar 

vici, vinmem gamoiZia Tu ara, magram 

anu Tqven gareSec gamoaqveynebda. 

amitom Tu es Tema gainteresebT, 

upriani ar iqneboda, sagamoZiebo 

uwyebisTvis migemarTaT? 

_ ar vici, im dokumentebSi ra 

weria da, rogorc giTxariT, isic 

ar vici, saerTod gamoZiebulia Tu 

ara. amas garda, wesiT, sagamoZiebo 

uwyebamac unda icodes, rom es 

dokumentebi erovnul bankSi inaxeba. 

Sesabamisad, Tu gamosaZiebeli 

iyo, aqamde gamoiZiebda. Cven, 

ubralod, amis gasajaroeba gvainteresebs, 

Torem imas ki ar vambobT, 

rom am saqmeze, apriori, 

vinme dasaWeria! 

_ am dokumentaciis gasajaroe- 

bis mizani ra aris? 

_ Cveni politikuri warsuli 

Tavidan bolomde Cvens ekonomikas 

ukavSirdeba. 

_ diax, asea. 

`vano zardiaSvils piradad vicnob da 

urTierToba axla ar dagviwyia. amitom, 

zogadad, vityvi: is, rac eka beseliam gaakeTa, 

politikuri aqtia. es aqti radikaluri, magram, 

Cemi azriT, swori iyo!~ 

`mjera, rom 

adamiani gonieri 

arsebaa da 

sakuTari 

istoriidan 

swavlobs. amitom 

araferi unda 

davmaloT. 

simarTlis 

damalvas kargi 

Sedegi arasodes 

hqonia. momxre var, 

rom Cvens 

warsulze 

simarTle vicodeT! 

rogor SeiZleba, 

politikaSi iyo da 

uaxlesi warsuli 

ar gainteresebdes?~ 

ukavSirdeba. zogadad, Cemi gadacema 

saqarTvelos istoriis uaxles 

warsuls exeba. es Tema ki imis 

TvalsaCino magaliTia, Tu ra moxda 

uaxles warsulSi ekonomikuri 

kuTxiT. 

_ amaSi geTanxmebiT, magram 

iago, imis albaTobas, gana, ar 

uSvebT, rom dvaliSvilis Canawerebis 

gamoqveynebas sazogadoebaSi 

SesaZloa, axali dapirispire- 

ba moyves? aqve ar dagaviwydeT, 

rom mSier mosaxleobas isini ar 

uyvars, romlebic swored 90-ian 

wlebSi gamdidrdnen, anu xalxi 

darwmunebulia, rom am subieqteb- 

ma fuli sakuTari SromiT ki ar 

iSoves, aramed is simdidre da 

dovlaTi miiTvises, rasac xalxi 

sabWoTa kavSiris dros sakuTari 

SromiT qmnida. 

_ iciT, ra aris? _ adamianis 

uflebaa, unda Tu ara, rom simar- 

Tle icodes. mjera, rom adamiani 

gonieri arsebaa da sakuTari istoriidan 

swavlobs. amitom araferi 

unda davmaloT. simarTlis damalvas 

kargi Sedegi arasodes hqonia. 

momxre var, rom Cvens warsulze 

simarTle vicodeT! rogor 

SeiZleba, politikaSi iyo da uaxlesi 

warsuli ar gainteresebdes? 

_ ki batono, Tu gvinda, sa- 

marTliani saxelmwifo avaSenoT, 

maSin istoriuli samarTlianobis 

aRdgena istoriuli samarTlia- 

nobis aRdgeniT unda daviwyoT, 

magram SegaxsenebT, rom magali- 

Tad, mamuka xazaraZem biznessaqmi- 

anoba swored im dros daiwyo, 

roca dvaliSvilma Tavi moikla. 

mokled, SesaZloa, vinmem CaTva- 

los, rom Tqveni iniciativiT, 

pirdapir Tu iribad, xazaraZes 

„urtyamT”. 

_ simarTle giTxraT, arc mifiqria, 

rom im CanawerebSi Sesa- 

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`Sav siaSi~ mamuka xazaraZe? 

Zloa, xazaraZeze iyos saubari. 

_ ratom ar gifiqriaT? 

_ xazaraZis bizneswarsulze 

sxva istoria vici da sxva versiis 

mjera, Tumca Tu am siaSi iqneba, 

mjera, xazaraZes axsnac moeZebneba. 

zogadad, rogorc giTxariT, 

Cven, apriori, ar vambobT, rom yvela, 

vinc e. w. dvaliSvilis siaSia, 

damnaSavea. TiToeul maTgans Tavisi 

axsna eqneba da aqedan gamomdinare, 

sazogadoebisTvis, maT 

Soris, CemTvisac, bevri ram damajerebeli 

gaxdeba. 

_ sxvaTa Soris, erTaderTi, 

viszec viciT, rom 90-ian wlebSi 

saxelmwifosgan sesxi aiRo da ar 

daabruna, Temur Wyoniaa. yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, am Temaze araerTi 

Jurnalisturi gamoZieba Catare- 

bula. iago, Tqveni varaudiT, 

„dval 

aliSvilis siaSi” iqneba Tu ara 

vano CxartiSvili, romelic sab- 

WoTa anabrebis miTvisebasTan aso- 

cirdeba? 

_ iciT, ra aris? _ roca am 

Temaze muSaoba daviwye, mivxvdi, 

rom yvelaferze unda mefiqra, anu 

imis Tqma minda, rom konkretul 

adamianebze ar vfiqrob da Seguebuli 

var, rom yvela SeiZleba, 

aRmoCndes da yvelas SeiZleba, sa- 

Tanado axsnac hqondes. 

sxvaTa Soris, Temur Wyonias da 

mis brendebs pativs vcem. amitom 

me, ubralod, simarTle mainteresebs 

da problema ar aris, adamianebs 

movusmino. saerTod, Cven 

unda gadavwyvitoT, simarTlis 

mosmena gvinda Tu ara. piradad me 

simarTlis mosmena minda! 

_ iago, „process”, rogorc 

vici, ukve ramdenime Tvea, akeTeb 

da am xnis ganmavlobaSi rame ise- 

Ti Tu amotivtivda, rac sazoga- 

doebam ar icoda? 

_ ar vici, sazogadoebisTvis 

ucnobi ra iyo da ra _ ara. piradad 

CemTvis ki, mas Semdeg, rac politikaSi 

movedi da aseTi sakiTxebiT 

davinteresdi, cnobili bevri ram 

gaxda. sxvebisTvis SeiZleba, yvelaferi 

cnobilia, magram CemTvis 

bevri saintereso rame amotivtivda. 

_ ise, Tqveni azriT, sa- 

marTlianobis aRdgena mxolod 

90-ian wlebs unda Seexos Tu si- 

marTle Tundac im periodzec 

unda gavigoT, roca igive „girCis” 

liderebi „nacmoZraobis” wevrebi 

da mxardamWerebi iyvnen? 

_ Zalian kargi SekiTxvaa da 

didi madloba am SekiTxvisTvis. 

_ imedia, pasuxic saintereso 

da kargi iqneba. 

_ zogadad, saqarTvelos istoria 

mainteresebs da, Sesabamisad, 

SeuZlebelia, am interesze uari 

vTqva. igive im cxra welze bevri 

ram vici, radgan Cemi politikuri 

azrovneba mimdinare politikiT 

iyo dainteresebuli. amitom odesme 

am 9 welzec gadaval, Tumca 

2020 wlis arCevnebamde 90-ian 

wlebs unda movrCe. 

_ zogadad, samarTlianoba subieqturia, 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, ad- 

amianebi simarTles subieqturad 

aRiqvamen. 

_ diax, asea. amitom, asi respondentis 

Cawera minda, radgan asi 

sxvadasxva adamianis mier danaxul 

realobas Sevxedo, daskvnasac amis 

Semdeg gamovitan da ama Tu im faqtis 

axsnasac mxolod amis Semdeg 

SevZleb. 

_ e. i., erTgvarad, saxalxo msa- 

àr vici, im dokumentebSi ra weria da, rogorc giTxariT, isic ar vici, 

saerTod gamoZiebulia Tu ara. amas garda, wesiT, sagamoZiebo uwyebamac 

unda icodes, rom es dokumentebi erovnul bankSi inaxeba. Sesabamisad, Tu 

gamosaZiebeli iyo, aqamde gamoiZiebda. Cven, ubralod, amis gasajaroeba 

gvainteresebs, Torem imas ki ar vambobT, rom am saqmeze, apriori, vinme 

dasaWeria!~ 

julis rolSi gamodixarT? 

_ ara, aranairad. ubralod, 

cnobismoyvare adamiani var da minda, 

im periodze, roca davibade, 

meti informacia gavigo, anu maSin 

im realobis Sinaarsi kargad ar 

mesmoda. amitom mainteresebs, realurad 

ra xdeboda. 

_ roca partiis saxe da lideri 

msgavs Tundac satelevizio 

proeqts akeTebs, SegviZlia vTqvaT, 

rom yvelaferi es poli- 

tikuri gavlenisgan Tavisufalia? 

_ ar vici. saerTod, subieqturi 

var da Cems politikur gemovnebasac 

ar vmalav, Tumca es gadacema 

istorias exeba da adamianebs, 

sakuTar ideologiasTan erTad, 

faqtebzec vekiTxebi. ise, SeiZleba, 

ucnauria, magram respondentebi 

gulwrfelad melaparakebian da, 

Sesabamisad, igive 90-ian wlebze 

sakuTari daskvnebi gamomaqvs. 

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom respondentebi 

gulwrfelad gesaubre- 

bian? 

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, vcdilob, 

rom maT gulwrfelobas mivaRwio. 

_ iago, Sevecdebi, erTgvari 

procesi mogiwyoT, amitom mainteresebs 

Tqveni, rogorc politikosis 

damokidebuleba axlan- 

del procesebze, magaliTad, ras 

fiqrobT beselias mier zardiaS- 

vilisTvis „saxis axevaze”? 

_ im sasamarTloze, romelsac 

eka beseliam xeli mouqnia, Cemi 

damokidebuleba cnobilia, Tumca 

konkretul adamianebze saubari ar 

minda. 

_ ratom ar gindaT? 

_ vano zardiaSvils piradad 

vicnob da urTierToba axla ar 

dagviwyia. amitom, zogadad, vityvi: 

is, rac eka beseliam gaakeTa, politikuri 

aqtia. es aqti radikaluri, 

magram, Cemi azriT, swori iyo! 

_ SeiZleba, magram politiko- 

sebi simarTles muSti-kriviT 

unda adgendnen? sxvaTa Soris, 90- 

ian wlebSi am muSti-krivma Zalian 

cudi forma miiRo da saqme sisx- 

lisRvramdec mivida. 

_ maSin adamianebs rom scodnodaT, 

maT Tavs ra xdeboda, Cveni 

cxovreba ukeTesad wavidoda. 

aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob, rom 

is, rasac vakTeb, sworia! mokled, 

realobis gasagebad mzad uda viyoT. 

amas ki mxolod maSin gavigebT, 

Tu warsuli gvecodineba! sxvaTa 

Soris, Cveni politika mdidaria 

iseTi adamianebiT, romlebic politikaSi 

Zalian didi xani arian, rac 

kargia da erTgvarad komfortulad 

vgrnob Tavs, roca maTTan er- 

Tad varkvev, warsulSi ra xdeboda. 

_ iago, JurnalistikaSi axali 

xarT da SeiZleba, arc gifiqriaT, 

rom dvaliSvilis saqmis amoqeqva 

SesaZloa, safrTxis Semcve- 

li iyos, anu gamoricxavT, rom 

vinmem Tqveni gaCereba moisurvos? 

_ amaze ar mifiqria. verc vxvdebi, 

vinmem es ratom unda moindomos. 

me, ubralod, simarTle mainteresebs. 

Secdomas yvela uSvebs _ 

unaklo da uSecdomo aravinaa. am 

SemTxvevaSic imazea laparaki, gvinda 

gavigoT Tu ara, odesme ra Secdoma 

davuSviT, Tumca yvelafer 

amas piradi Sinaarsi ar aqvs. amitom, 

mgonia, rom karg saqmes vakeTeb 

da amis gamo mtrebi ratom unda 

myavdes? 

_ SevTanxmdeT, rom „dvaliSvi- 

lis davTris” gasajaroeba bevrs 

ar esiamovneba. 

_ mgonia, rom „dvaliSvilis 

davTarSi” Zalian bevri kargi adamiania 

da yvela maTgans, rogorc 

`CemTvis CxartiSvili saintereso respondentia. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, mgonia, rom yvela 

xelisuflebis dros misi gavlenebi yuradRebas 

imsaxurebs. am kacze SeiZleba, sxva rame 

gansakuTebuli ar gamigia, magram udavod 

sainteresoa, Tumca Cemi gadacemis formati ar 

aris, rom CxartiSvils sabWoTa anabrebis 

moparvis kuTxidan Sevxedo~ 

giTxariT, Tavisi axsna eqneba, Tan 

aq imaze ar aris laparaki, rom vinmem 

sesxi daabrunos. 

_ aba, razea? 

_ ubralod, am qveynis istoriaze 

saubari unda daviwyoT da yvelaferi, 

rasac Cveni mteri ambobs, 

ar davijeroT. 

_ ukacravad, mteri ra SuaSia? 

_ Cvenma mterma bevri miTi Seqmna 

da saqme iqamde mivida, rom 

mTelma erma erTmaneTi „kakegebeSnikebad” 

gamoacxada. arada, 

miuxedavad imisa, rom „kagebe” arseboboda, 

„kagebeSniki” mosaxleobis 

aT procentze meti ar iqneboda. 

amitom bevr adamians reabilitaciis 

saSualeba unda mivceT, miT 

umetes, rom bevri tyuilad gvgonia 

cudi da, sinamdvileSi, cudi 

sulac ar aris! 

_ asea Tu ise, pirveli ar xarT, 

vinc „dvaliSvilis CanawerebiT” 

interesdeba _ am Temaze mec mi- 

muSavia da „qronika+”-is amave nomerSi, 

Tqveni intervius paralelurad, 

„dvaliSvilis saqmis” de- 

talebic gamoqveyndeba. 

_ SeiZleba, maT, vinc am Temaze 

muSaobdnen, vinme ebrZoda, magram 

me aravis vebrZvi. 

_ es gavige, magram Tqveni gadacema 

sabWoTa anabrebis gaqro- 

ba-miTvisebiT Tu dainteresdeba? 

sxvaTa Soris, am saqmis mTavari 

figuranti vano CxartiSvilia, 

romelmac, rogorc amboben, 

swored xalxis anabrebiT iSova 

milionebi... 

_ CemTvis CxartiSvili saintereso 

respondentia. yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, mgonia, rom yvela xelisuflebis 

dros misi gavlenebi 

yuradRebas imsaxurebs. am kacze 

SeiZleba, sxva rame gansakuTebuli 

ar gamigia, magram udavod sainteresoa, 

Tumca Cemi gadacemis 

formati ar aris, rom CxartiSvils 

sabWoTa anabrebis moparvis kuTxidan 

Sevxedo. me sxva ram mainteresebs. 

_ da es „sxva ram”, CxartiSvi- 

lis SemTxvevaSi, ra aris? 

_ me istoria da istoriuli 

personaJebi mainteresebs _ rogorebi 

iyvnen da samyaros rogor 

uyurebdnen. 

_ ise, Tqveni SefasebiT, dval- 

iSvilma marTla Tavi moikla Tu 

mokles? 

_ dvaliSvilma, Cems xelT jerjerobiT 

arsebuli informaciiT, 

Tavi moikla. yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

roman gociriZem Cems gadacemaSi 

ase Tqva da es CemTvis damajerebelia. 

_ politikos iago xviCias 

azriT, dvaliSvils ratom unda 

moekla Tavi? 

_ rogorc roman gociriZem 

Tqva, mis dokumentebSi iseTi adamianebi 

iyvnen, romelTa „CaSvebasac” 

dvaliSvils sikvdili erCia, 

Tumca am Temaze gansxvavebul mosazrebasac 

movismen! ise, mas Semdeg, 

rac am sias wavikiTxavT, Sei- 

Zleba, axali diskusia wamoviwyoT. 

_ erovnulma bankma Tqvens 

moTxovnaze ra pasuxi gagcaT? 

_ erovnuli bankisgan miviRe 

pasuxi: es saidumlo informaciaa 

da amitom sasamarTlos gareSe ver 

gavcemo. ar vici, sajaro informaciis 

gacemas sasamarTlos nebar- 

Tva ratom sWirdeba, Tumca ar var 

darwmunebuli, rom erovnul bank- 

Tan samarTlebriv davaSi unda Sevide, 

anu Cemi nabiji politikuri 

aqti iyo _ me politikosi var da 

is vici, rom sajaro informaciis 

gacemaze problema Seiqmna. 

_ e. i., erovnulma bankma dagi- 

tasturaT, rom dvaliSvilis „Savi 

sia” arsebobs, ara? 

_ diax. erovnuli bankis yofili 

prezidenti ambobs, rom es dokumenti 

nanaxi aqvs. 

_ „girCi” am Temis politikuri 

dividendebisTvis gamoyenebas xom 

ar apirebs? 

_ aseTi rameebi CvenTvis naklebadaa 

damaxasaiTebeli. ubralod, 

gvainteresebs, im periodSi qveynis 

ekonomikas ra daemarTa da amas, 

Cemi azriT, bevrnairad unda SevxedoT. 

Tu am informacias vinme ar 

gvaZlevs, es xom imas niSnavs, rom 

isini, romlebmac maSin qveyana 

daaqcies, politikaSi gavlenas axlac 

inaCuneben da raRacebis gasajaroeba 

amitom ar undaT. yvelafer 

amidan Tu politikuri dividendebi 

gamova, ratomac ara _ 

amiT Cvenc movigebT da sazogadoebac! 

_ is ekonomikuri stagnacia, 

rac qveyanaSi axlaa, maSindelis 

gamoZaxilia? 

_ diax, cxadia, amis bralic 

aris, anu Tavis droze daSvebul 

Secdomebze Tvals vxuWavT. 

_ CvenSi darCes da, lars kupo- 

nis bedi xom ar elis? 

_ lari kuponi ar aris da arc 

imis dajereba minda, rom axlandeli 

xelisufleba raRacebs ise 

araseriozulad uyurebs, rogorc 

kuponis gamoSvebas uyurebdnen, 

Tumca Cvens ekonomikas realuri 

safrTxe emuqreba! 

_ anu gamoricxavT, rom axlac 

muSaobdes kreditebis gacemis 

maSindeli sqema? 

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, frTxilad 

unda viyoT, miT umetes, rom am xelisuflebas 

bevr rameSi ar vendobiT! 

P. S. am Temaze Cven roman goc- 

iriZesTanac gvsurda saubari, 

Tumca batonma romanma, am etapze, 

Tavi Seikava. amitom „qronika+~ 

sxvadasxva dros mediaSi gaoqveynebuli 

masalebis mixedviT dval- 

iSvilis „Savi siis” anatomias amave 

nomerSi gTavazobT. 

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Tengiz sigua im „troikidan” erTaderTia, 

romelic saqarTveloSi 

dabrunebulma SevardnaZem ar dai- 

Wira(!). 

ratom? _ esec pasuxgaucemeli 

kiTxvaa. 

„1992 wlis ivlisSi, roca saqarTveloSi 

inflacia daiwyo, mTavrobam 

miiRo dadgenileba anabrebis 

50%-iT gazrdis Taobaze. Tanxebis 

gacema unda dawyebuliyo naxevar 

weliwadSi, anu 1994 wlis 

dasawyisisTvis... ar maqvs informacia, 

rom es fuli vinmem saqarTvelodan 

gaitana. marTalia, ruseTidan 

fulis niSnebi aRar Semodioda, 

magram sakmaod didi Tanxa ido 

erovnul bankSi, rac Semdeg kreditebis 

saxiT gaica... demur dvaliSvili 

erovnuli bankis prezidentad 

1992 wlis oqtomberSi dainiSna. 

manamde erovnuli banki mTavrobis 

daqvemdebarebaSi iyo. dvaliSvilis 

daniSvnis Semdeg ki saxelmwifo 

meTaurisa da parlamentis 

daqvemdebarebaSi gadavida. dvaliSvili 

meore dResve gamovida parlamentis 

sxdomaze da ganacxada, 

rom liberaluri fulad-sakredito 

politikis momxre iyo da amaSi 

eduard SevardnaZe uWerda mxars. 

am dRidanve erovnulma bankma 

uzomod didi kreditebis gacema 

daiwyo. radgan erovnuli banki 

mTavrobis daqvemdebarebaSi aRar 

iyo, Cven mis saqmianobaSi Carevis 

ufleba aRar gvqonda. 1993 wlis 

martSi ministrTa kabinetSi Sssdan 

Semovida pirveli informacia, 

rom bankSi cudi ambebi xdeboda. 

maSinve davniSne samTavrobo komisia, 

romelmac es informacia 

pirveli aprilis daskvnaSi daadastura. 

amis Semdeg SevardnaZes vTxove, 

saswrafod moewvia TaTbiri 

bankebis TandaswrebiT. saerTod, 

sesxad gasacemi Tanxebis zRvruli 

norma saxelmwifos mier unda 

dawesebuliyo. im droisTvis es 

norma weliwadSi 170 miliard maneTs 

Seadgenda, magram 6 TveSi 400 

miliards gadaaWarba. es iyo katastrofa. 

TaTbirs Cem garda eswrebodnen 

vice-premierebi _ roman 

gociriZe da zurab kervaliSvili, 

ekonomikis imJamindeli ministri 

mixeil jibuti, finansTa ministri 

popiaSvili da parlamentis sabiujeto 

komitetis Tavmjdomare Temur 

basilia. Cem gamosvlas yvelam 

erTxmad dauWira mxari, magram SevardnaZem 

ganacxada, erovnuli 

bankis mier gatarebuli politika 

sworiao. amis Semdeg ukve parlamentis 

sxdomaze gavakeTe moxseneba, 

sadac specialuri komisia 

Seiqmna, magram parlamentma 1995 

wels ise daamTavra muSaoba, rom 

es sakiTxi aRar ganxilula. 

...daiwyes „piramidis” TamaSi, 

bevri kerZo banki gaixsna, fuli 

aiRo da mere gaqra. ras niSnavs 

„piramida”, amis sailustraciod 

erT magaliTs mogiyvanT: erT-erTma 

firmam (samwuxarod, saxeli ar 

maxsovs) aiRo krediti 2 miliardi 

maneTi, amiT iyida saqoneli, gayida 

sazRvargareT, miiRo mogeba 4 

milioni dolari, romelic var- 

Savis erT-erT bankSi Seinaxa. arsebuli 

kreditis, anu 2 miliardi 

maneTis dabrunebis droisTvis, 

radgan firma aRwerili finansuri 

operaciebis bolomde miyvanas ver 

aswrebda, Seiqmna e. w. padstavnoi 

firmebi „lana” da „meda”. erovnuli 

bankidan maTac gamoitanes miliardmaneTiani 

krediti da im pirvdemur 

dvaliSvilis mkvlelobisa 

es gasuli saukunis 90-iani 


wlebis erT-erTi yvelaze bneliT 

moculi istoriaa. marTalia, ofi- 

cialuri versiiT, TviTmkvleloba moxda, magram adamianebis 

umetesobas ar sjera, rom erovnuli bankis prezidentma, demur 

dvaliSvilma, Tavi moikla. ise, gavleniani safinanso institutis 

xelmZRvanelma, SesaZloa, marTlac, suicidiT daas- 

rula sicocxle, magram sagamoZiebo organoebs ar daudgeniaT 

an, ufro sworad, ar gauciaT kiTxvaze pasuxi: dvaliSvili 

TviTmkvlelobamde xom aravin miiyvana? asea Tu ise, am trage- 

diidan ori aTeuli wlis Semdegac bankiris gardacvaleba bevr 

kiTxvis niSans aCens, miT umetes, im fonze, roca arsebobs ver- 

sia, rom dvaliSvils e. w. davTari hqonda, romelSic yvela im 

adamianis gvari ewera, visac saxelmwifosgan krediti hqonda 

gatanali. sxvaTa Soris, dvaliSvilis „Savi siis” arsebobas zogi 

eWvqveS ayenebs, magram roman gociriZe, romelic erovnuli 

bankis prezidenti iyo, ambobs, rom qveynis mTavari safinanso 

institutis sacavSi es „Savi sia” nanaxi aqvs. 

zogadad, dvaliSvilis mkvlelobasa 

Tu TviTmkvlelobaze bevri 

Tqmula da dawerila, magram miuxedavad 

amisa, es gaxmaurebuli saqme 

mainc aqtualuria, miT ufro, axla, 

roca „girCis” liderma, iago 

xviCiam, dvaliSvilis saqme wamoswia 

da erovnul banks zemoxsenebuli 

dokumentaciis gasajaroeba sTxova. 

mokled, ra moxda 1994 wlis 9 

seqtembers Sss-Si, sadac dvaliSvili 

dakiTxvaze iyo misuli? _ 

„qronika+” qarTul mediaSi gamoqveynebuli 

masalebisa da aseve 

TviTmxilvelebis naambobze dayrdnobiT, 

dvaliSvilis saqmis erTgvar 

retrospeqtivas gTavazobT. 

aqve imasac getyviT, rom „dvaliSvilis 

saqmis” erT-erT mTavar figurantad 

yofili premieri, Tengiz 

sigua iTvleba, Tumca Tavad sigua 

momxdarTan kavSirs kategoriulad 

uaryofs. 

maS, ase! _ 1994 wlis 9 seqtemberi. 

erovnuli bankis prezidenti, 

demur dvaliSvili, Sss-Si dakiTxvaze 

midis da gaurkvevel viTarebaSi 

iRupeba, Tumca, oficialuri 

versiiT, man cecxlsasroli iaraRiT 

moikla Tavi. am ambavs, cxadia, 

didi gamoxmaureba moyveba, 

Tumca ojaxi tragediidan mxolod 

20 wlis Semdeg daarRvevs dumils 

da gardacvlili bankiris qaliSvili, 

nino dvaliSvili, erT-erT 

qarTul gamocemasTan ityvis: 

„inflacia, romelic erovnuli 

bankidan mamas wamosvlis Semdeg 

daiwyo da man katastroful masStabs 

miaRwia, Turme, mxolod dvaliSvilis 

fulad-sakredito politikis 

brali yofila. Semdeg 

wamoiwia sxva versia da undodaT, 

rom momxdari liberaluri fulad-sakredito 

politikisa da 

gaucemeli anabrebisTvis daekav- 

SirebinaT”. 

diax, rogorc vTqviT, dvaliSvilis 

saqmeSi kreditebis Tema 

dominirebs. aqve imasac SegaxsenebT, 

rom 1994 wels, anu maSin, roca 

dvaliSvili Tavs iklavs, imdrondeli 

qarTuli fulis erTeuli _ 

kuponi _ lamis, weliwad-naxevris 

gamoSvebulia. amasTan, kuponi isea 

gaufasurebuli, rom, magaliTad, 

milion kuponad mxolod erTi 

puris yidva SeiZleba, anu eWvi, rom 

dvaliSvili garkveuli finansuri 

maqinaciebis msxverpli gaxda, arc- 

Tu ararealuria, miT umetes, rom, 

mogvianebiT, bankiris ojaxi ityvis, 

rom moipova mniSvnelovani informacia 

maRalCinosnebis mier gacemul 

kreditebze. 

amonaridi nino dvaliSvilis 

interiudan: 

„laparakia ministrTa kabinetis 

yofili wevrebis _ Tengiz siguasa 

da roman gociriZis rezoluciebiT 

gacemul solidur kreditebsa 

da qveynis farglebs gareT gadaricxul 

Tanxebze. erovnul 

bankSi aris yvela informacia, ra 

odenobis sesxebi gaicemoda maTi 

nebarTviT, visze da romel qveynebSi. 

e. w. Jurnali da „Savi siac”, 

romelic, Turme, mamas hqonda, 

siguas mogonilia. 

mamaCemis mkvleloba didi xniT 

adre iyo dagegmili. mas xSirad 

uwevda mivlinebiT sazRvargareT 

gamgzavreba. erTxel CexeTSi imyofeboda 

da rogorc iTqva, apirebdnen, 

rom TviTmfrinavi, romli- 

Tac igi saqarTveloSi unda dabrunebuliyo, 

afxazeTis teritoriaze 

CamoegdoT. amis Semdeg Tvi- 

Tmfrinavi saidumlo marSrutiT 

dabrunda TbilisSi. xSirad yofila 

muqaris zarebi: magas Subls 

gavuxvretT, quCaSi gavagorebTo”. 

ver getyviT, gamoZieba am detalebiT 

dainteresda Tu ara, 

Tumca dvaliSvilis ojaxi varaudobs, 

rom dvaliSvili yofil Cinosnebze 

iseT informacias flobda, 

romlis gaxmaurebac aravis awyobda. 

amasTan, ojaxi TviTmkvlelobasac 

ar uSvebs da ambobs, 

rom dvaliSvils Tavis mosaklavi 

araferi sWirda. 

ratom mivida dvaliSvili Sss- 

Si? _ es am burusiT mocul saqme- 

Si erT-erTi yvelaze saintereso 

kiTxvaa. rogorc irkveva, dvaliSvilisTvis 

uTqvamT, konkretuli 

sakiTxebis garkveva gvainteresebso. 

vin uTxra es dvaliSvils? _ ai, 

albaT, aqedan unda daiwyos dvaliSvilis 

„gordias kvanZis” gaxsna. 

„televiziiT maSinve gavrcelda 

versia, rom mamaCemma iaraRi TiTqos 

pijakis jibidan amoiRo. arada, 

reanimaciaSi sanitari Seeswro, 

Tu rogor cdilobdnen misi pijakis 

jibeSi iaraRis Cadebas, magram 

rogorc Cans, ar Caetia da amitom 

Semdeg Tqves, dvaliSvilma 

iaraRi Sarvlis sartylidan amoiRoo”, 

_ ixsenebs bankiris qaliSvili. 

saintereso detali: gamoZieba 

ise damTavrda da saqmec ise daixura, 

rom iaraRis warmomavloba ar 

dadgenila. SesaZloa, vinmem Tqvas, 

albaT, pistoleti bankiris saku- 

Treba iyoo, magram aq erTi „magram” 

arsebobs. kerZod, ojaxis mtkicebiT, 

dvaliSvilma pistoleti 

erTi wliT adre Caabara da im 

dros, roca gardaicvala, es iara- 

Ri bankis seifSi ido. 

ratom figurireben 

bankiris burusiT 

mocul saqmeSi SoTa 

kviraia, zurab Jvania 

da Tengiz sigua? 

amas garda, gamoZiebam kidev 

erT detals ar miaqcia yuradReba, 

anu Wriloba gamWoli iyo, romliTac 

naTlad Canda, rom dvaliSvili 

Sori manZilidan nasrolma 

tyviam Seiwira! 

sxvaTa Soris, tragediis Semdeg 

zogi ambobda, dvaliSvilma sicocxle 

TviTmkvlelobiT imitom 

daamTavara, rom erovnul bankSi 

bevri darRveva hqonda da cixes 

sikvdili amjobinao, magram es versiac 

imTaviTve safuZvels iyo moklebuli 

da ai, ratom: Tu dvaliSvils 

darRvevebi hqonda, maSin 

fiCxaZesTan erTad daakavebdnen. 

cnobisTvis: fiCxaZe, romelic 

dvaliSvilis moadgile iyo, im 

dros, roca am ukanasknelma Tavi 

moikla, ukve patimrobaSi gaxldaT. 

sxvadasxva versiiT, ukanono kreditebs 

swored fiCxaZe gascemda, 

Tumca gardacvlili bankiris 

ojaxis informaciiT, dvaliSvilis 

tragediidan cota xnis Semdeg 

fiCxaZe israelSi gamoCnda. 

„CemTvis Tengiz sigua mamaCemis 

mkvlelTan asocirdeba. amis Tqmis 

safuZvels yvelaferi is maZlevs, 

rasac sigua 1993 wlis dasawyisidan 

akeTebda... 

1992-93 wlebSi erovnuli bankis 

mier ganxorcielebul liberalur 

fulad-sakredito politikaze 

laparakoben, rac TiTqos 

dakavSirebulia gaucemel sabWoTa 

anabrebis TemasTan, magram, ratom- 

Rac, ar iTvaliswineben qveyanaSi 

maSin Seqmnil politikur da ekonomikur 

mdgomareobas, anu 1992 

wlis ianvridan ra xdeboda erovnul 

banksa da sabanko sistemaSi. 

naxon, ra raodenobis krediti gaica 

naRdi fulis saxiT 1993 wlis 

oqtombridan da liberaluri fulad-sakredito 

politikis Sesaxeb 

Semdeg ilaparakon. mama arasodes 

gaurboda pasuxismgeblobas da ambobda, 

SesaZloa, rame mec SemeSala 

da raRac bolomde ver gavTvaleo, 

magram es Secdoma umniSvnelo 

iqneboda”, _ acxadebda ramdenime 

wlis win erT-erT qarTul gamocemasTan 

gardacvlili bankiris 

qaliSvili. 

sxvaTa Soris, yofili premieri, 

Tengiz sigua, dvaliSvilis ojaxis 

braldebas yovelTvis uaryofda 

da ambobda, kreditebis 90% 

dvaliSvilis mieraa gacemulio: 

„SevardnaZe urekavda dvaliSvils, 

deputatebi rom movlen, gaeci 

kreditio. deputatebi kredits 

TavisTvis ki ar iRebdnen, aramed, 

sxvadasxva firmas Suamavlobdnen. 

dvaliSvils ki yvelaferi es JurnalSi 

hqonda aRricxuli. isic 

cnobili iyo, romeli firmebis saxelze 

iyo gacemuli kreditebi, magram 

ar undodaT gamJRavnebuliyo, 

vin iyo gasvrili am saqmeSi 

da Jurnali amitomac gadamales. 

JurnalSi registrirebulia 

yvela deputati, vinc dvaliSvil- 

Tan kreditis saTxovnelad midioda. 

es Jurnali dRemde gamqralia. 

rodesac saparlamento specialurma 

komisiam dvaliSvili parlamentSi 

daibara da Jurnali mosTxova, 

prokuraturam ar gadasca. Jurnali 

unda mosTxovon imJamindel 

prokuror babilaSvils, vinaidan 

prokuraturam is Sss-dan amoiRo. 

dvaliSvili SevardnaZem gamoiyena 

da Semdeg mosaklavad gaimeta, pasuxic 

imas mosTxovon, me ras mer- 

Cian!” _ es gancxadeba Tengiz 

siguam, jer kidev, eduard SevardnaZis 

sicocxlis dros gaakeTa. 

icoda Tu ara rame eqsprezidentma 

dvaliSvilis ucnaur 

sikvdilze? _ amas verasodes gavigebT, 

radgan SevardnaZe cocxali 

aRar aris. ise, sagulisxmoa, rom 

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Tu TviTmkvlelobis anatomia 

ìcoda Tu ara rame eqsprezidentma dvaliSvilis ucnaur sikvdilze? - amas 

verasodes gavigebT, radgan SevardnaZe cocxali aRar aris. ise, 

sagulisxmoa, rom Tengiz sigua im `troikidan~ erTaderTia, romelic 

saqarTveloSi dabrunebulma SevardnaZem ar daiWira(!). 

ratom? - esec pasuxgaucemeli kiTxvaa~ 

el firmas misces. man gatanili 2 

miliardi maneTi daabruna, magram 

am or firmasac xom hqonda gadasaxdeli 

krediti? amitom varSavis 

bankSi Setanili 4 milioni dolaridan 

moixsna 600 000 dolari, rac 

2 miliardi maneTis tolfasi iyo, 

operacia damTavrda. firmas zustad 

3 milion 400 aTasi sufTa 

mogeba darCa. 

Tqven ggoniaT, dvaliSvilma 

Tavi moikla? _ ara, mokles! Sss-Si 

wasvlis win damireka da miTxra, 

dakiTxvaze mivdivar da simarTle 

unda vTqvao. mis mdivan qals hqonda 

Jurnali, sadac yvela gvari 

ewera, visTvisac SevardnaZem 

kreditis micema daavala. Cemi yvirilis 

Semdeg, roca es ambavi gaskda, 

parlamentSi roman miminoSvilis 

xelmZRvanelobiT, sagamoZiebo 

komisia Seiqmna, ori weli iwvala 

batonma romanma, magram Jurnalis 

xelSi Cagdeba ver moaxerxa. 

bolos, es Jurnali dvaliSvils 

Sss-Si miatanines. man dakiTxvaze 

yofnisas Tavis mdivans daureka da 

uTxra, Jurnali moitaneo. ase 

Caigdes xelSi dvaliSvilis e. w. 

Savi sia, dakiTxvidan gamosuli 

dvaliSvili ki mokles da es Jurnalic 

gaqra”, _ am gancxadebis avtoric 

Tengiz siguaa. 

gavyveT versias, rom dvaliSvilma 

Tavi ki ar moikla, aramed, 

mokles. maSin sainteresoa, vis awyobda 

bankiris Tavidan mocileba? 

_ Tu siguas naTqvams gavixsenebT, 

rom dvaliSvilTan kreditis saTxovnelad 

maSindeli deputatebi 

midiodnen, maSin eWvmitanili Sesa- 

Zloa, nebismieri is adamiani iyos, 

romelic imdroindel sakanonmdeblo 

organoSi moRvaweobda, Tumca 

eWvmitanilTa wre dvaliSvilis 

meuRlem Seamcira, romelmac xelisuflebaSi 

„ocnebis” mosvlis 

Semdeg bankiris mkvleli pirdapir 

daasaxela. 

„dvaliSvilis mkvleloba daigegma 

SoTa kviraias kabinetSi, sadac 

Zalian bevri bneli saqme igegmeboda”, 

_ ganacxada 2013 wels 

erT-erT sagazeTo interviuSi 

dvaliSvilis meuRlem. 

Tengiz siguam ki, Tavis droze, 

aranakleb saintereso miniSneba 

gakeTa da dvaliSvilis ucnaur 

gardacvalebaze saubrisas cxonebuli 

zurab Jvania, ufro sworad, 

misi „mwvaneTa moZraoba” axsena: 

„1993 wlis 2 marts erovnul 

bankSi Sevida firma „TrialeTis” 

faratina werili, romelSic firmis 

prezidenti 102 miliard 700 

milioni maneTis sesxs iTxovda, es 

firma „mwvaneTa moZraobis” Seqmnili 

iyo da demur dvaliSvilTan 

mis Suamavals zurab Jvania wamoadgenda... 

es werili erovnulma 

bankma „agrobanks” daawera. es iyo 

saukunis afera. warmoudgenelia, 

103 miliardi maneTi misce raRac 

axalSeqmnil firma „TrialeTs”, 

Tanac uprocentod da yovelgvari 

uzrunvelyofis gareSe. werilSi 

ewera, rom fuls ruseTis centralur 

bankSi gadaricxavdnen, 

konvertacias gaukeTebdnen da 

ukan daabrunebdnen. es iyo sisulele, 

radgan 103 miliards ki ara, 1 

milionsac veravin versad gadaricxavda. 

ganaTlebis maSindelma 

ministrma, Tamaz kvaWantiraZem, 

moskovSi atestatebi daabeWdvina, 

amisTvis 8 milioni maneTi gvqonda 

gadasaricxi, vin aRar CavrieT, 

Zlivs movaxerxeT da 103 miliardis 

gadaricxva rogor warmogidgeniaT? 

es afera Semdegnairad 

gaskda: CemTan movidnen Sss-s warmomadgenlebi 

da miTxres, rom 

moskovidan miiRes ÌÓÐ-is telefonograma, 

romlis Sinaarsic sityva-sityviT 

maxsovs: „Ó 

öåíòðàëüíîãî áàíêà Ðîññèè ïîäâÿçàëèñü 

äâà ìîñêîâñêèõ àôåðèñòà: ãîìîñåêñóàëèñò 

â î÷êàõ è ìîñêîâñêàÿ øëþõà, ó íèõ íà 

ðóêàõ ôàëüøûâîå àâèçî áàíêà Ãðóçèè íà 

103 ìèëëèàðäîâ ðóáëåé...” isini am saqmis 

gaxsnaSi Cvens Sss-s TanamSromlobas 

sTavazobdnen. rogorc Semdeg 

gairkva, „mwvaneebs” fuli 

ruseTis centralur bankSi gadasaxurdaveblad 

viRac moskoveli 

homoseqsualisa da meZavisTvis miuciaT. 

Sss-s warmomadgenlebs 

davaleba miveci, rom dilis 8 

saaTisTvis 2 opermuSaki gadaefrinaT 

moskovSi. darwmunebuli 

viyavi, rom avizo yalbi iyo, Tumca 

dilis 7 saaTze mainc davureke 

dvaliSvils, davibare da movuyevi, 

rom aseTi ambavi moxda. batoni demuri 

skamze uxerxulad SeiSmuSna 

da miTxra, batono Tengiz, avizo 

yalbi araa, me gavecio. gavbrazdi 

da raRac uxeSad vuTxari. axlac 

maxsovs, rogor ganerviulda, 

kedelTan dadga da gawbilebulma 

miTxra, _ batono Tengiz, ar iciT, 

me ra presis qveS varo”. 

„sagareo valebi _ restruqturizebuli 

avantiura”, _ am sa- 

TauriT gazeT „axali 7 dRe-Si”, 

„vardebis revoluciamde” ori 

wliT adre, anu 2001 wlis 10 dekemebrs 

gamoqveynebul statiaSi, 

Tengiz sigua ambobs: 

„1992 wlis dasawyisSi CvenTvis 

cxadi gaxda, rom ruseTi problemebs 

Segviqmnida energomatareblebis 

mowodebasTan dakavSirebiT. 

daviwyeT alternatiuli wyaroebis 

moZiebaze fiqri. mazuTis mowodebaze 

xelSekruleba gavaformeT 

azerbaijanTan, bunebrivi airis 

mowodebaze ki _ TurqmeneTTan. 

am xelSekrulebis Tanaxmad, saqarTvelos 

bunebrivi airis Rirebuleba 

unda daefara rogorc TanxiT, 

aseve _ Semxvedri saqonliT. 

Cven TurqmeneTisTvis unda migvewodebina 

Cai, alkoholuri sasmelebi, 

quTaisis avtoqarxnis, gaer- 

Tianeba „azotis”, rusTavis metalurgiuli 

qarxnis produqcia, 

msubuqi mrewvelobis nawarmi. 

1992 wels saqarTvelom TurqmeneTisgan 

5 miliardi kubmetri bunebrivi 

airi miiRo. am periodSi Cven 

aranairi vali ar dagvdebia. 1993 

wlis pirvel kvartalSi ki, piriqiT, 

TurqmeneTs hqonda Cveni vali. 

valis dagroveba daiwyo 1993 

wlis meore da mesame kvartalSi. 

rogorc cnobilia, 1992 wlis bolos 

saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis 

prezidentad dainiSna demur 

dvaliSvili. man radikalurad 

Secvala saqarTvelos mTavrobis 

mier SemuSavebuli umkacresi fulad-sakredito 

politika. Cemi 

premierobis dros mTavrobas umkacresi 

kontroli hqonda dawesebuli 

erovnuli bankis mier gacemuli 

kreditebis raodenobaze. 

dawesebuli iyo gasacemi kreditebis 

raodenobis zRvruli norma _ 

140 miliardi maneTi. erovnul 

banks am normisTvis arasdros 

gadauWarbebia. dvaliSvilis mier 

gamocxadebuli liberaluri fulad-sakredito 

politikis Sedegad 

ki bankidan yovelgvari kontrolis 

gareSe gadioda Tanxebi. magaliTad, 

1993 wlis mxolod maisis 

TveSi 461 miliardi gaica. am 

raodenobis kreditis gacemis 

ufleba dvaliSvils, ra Tqma unda, 

ar hqonda. is, rasakvirvelia, mxolod 

sakuTari iniciativiT ar 

iCenda aseT guluxvobas. yvelaferi 

zemodan, SevardnaZisgan, iyo 

daSvebuli. amdeni ukanonobis 

Cadenas mxolod dvaliSvili, 

ubralod, ver gabedavda. 

„dvaliSvilis kreditebis saqme” 

pirdapir kavSirSia TurqmeneTis 

valis dagrovebis sakiTxTan. saqme 

is aris, rom didi raodenobis 

kreditis mqone firmebi Seudgnen 

im produqciis Sesyidvas, romli- 

Tac saxelmwifo TurqmeneTs bunebrivi 

airis Rirebulebas uxdida. 

maT es produqcia ruseTis baz- 

arze gahqondaT, gayiduli saqonlis 

realizaciidan miRebuli 

Tanxis konvertacias axdendnen da 

sazRvargareTul bankebSi abandebdnen. 

es firmebi, faqtobrivad, 

saxelmwifos konkurentebad iqcnen. 

saqarTvelos mTavrobas 

TurqmeneTisTvis bunebrivi airis 

safasuris gadaxdis aranairi saSualeba 

aRar hqonda. amis miuxedavad, 

TurqmeneTi bunebriv airs 

mainc gvawvdida. albaT, iqidan gamomdinare, 

rom saqarTvelos ukve 

hqonda keTilsindisieri gadamxdelis 

imiji, magram roca saqarTvelos 

davalianeba katastrofulad 

gaizarda, TurqmeneTma bunebrivi 

airis mowodeba Segviwyvita. 

1992 wlis saparlamento 

arCevnebis Semdeg erovnuli banki 

angariSvaldebuli gaxda ara 

mTavrobis, aramed parlamentis 

winaSe. mTavrobisTvis karga xans 

ucnobi iyo dvaliSvilis e. w. liberaluri 


Sedegebi. 1993 wlis martSi, 

mTavrobas Sinagan saqmeTa saministrom 

miawoda informacia erovnuli 

bankis ukanono qmedebebis Sesaxeb. 

Cemi iniciativiT Seiqmna komisia, 

romelsac dvaliSvilis mier 

kreditebis gacemis kanonierebis 

sakiTxi unda Seeswavla. paralelurad, 

imave sakiTxis Seswavla 

daevala kontrolis palatas. 

samTavrobo komisiisa da kontrolis 

palatis daskvnebi umkacres 

braldebebs Seicavda. me vaiZule 

SevardnaZe, rom sakiTxis detalurad 

garCevis mizniT moewvia TaTbiri, 

romelsac mTavrobis wevrebis 

garda bankirebic daeswrebodnen. 

rogorc mogvianebiT gairkva, 

SevardnaZem bankirebis mowvevisgan 

Tavi Seikava. TaTbirs Cem garda eswrebodnen 

batonebi: roman gociriZe 

(vice-premieri), zurab kervaliSvili 

(vice-premieri), mixeil 

jibuti (ekonomikis ministri), kaxa 

popiaSvili (finansTa ministri), 

Temur basilia (parlamentis fulad-sakredito 

komisiis Tavmjdomare), 

Tavad demur dvaliSvili. 

TaTbirze yvela gamomsvlelma 

`Wriloba gamWoli iyo, romliTac 

naTlad Canda, rom dvaliSvili Sori 

manZilidan nasrolma tyviam Seiwira!~ 

mkacrad dagmo dvaliSvilis mier 

ganxorcielebuli e. w. liberaluri 

fulad-sakredito politika. 

moviTxoveT dvaliSvilis gan- 

Tavisufleba dakavebuli Tanamdebobidan. 

eduard SevardnaZe mas, 

SeiZleba iTqvas, rom mkerdiT 

gadaefara. erTi wlis Semdeg ki, 

1994 wlis ivnisSi, mTavrobis sxdomaze 

imave eduard SevardnaZem 

ganacxada: „is fulad-sakredito 

politika, romelsac Cven liberaluri 

vuwodeT, damRupveli aRmoCnda 

qveynisTvis”. manve moiTxova 

dvaliSvilis gadayeneba. amas 

moyva dvaliSvilis winaaRmdeg 

sisxlis samarTlis saqmis aRZvra 

da erT-erTi dakiTxvis dros misi 

gardacvaleba. dvaliSvilis gardacvalebis 

oficialur mizezad 

TviTmkvleloba dasaxelda. 

rac Seexeba im masalebs, romelic 

zemoT dasaxelebulma mTavrobis 

komisiam moipova: komisiam aRmoaCina, 

rom, magaliTad, firma 

„TrialeTs” (es is TrialeTi ar 

aris, romlis ukanac „mwvaneebi” 

idgnen da romlis saxelsac cnobili 

„rublis afera” ukavSirdeba) 

didi raodenobiT krediti hqonda 

gatanili erovnuli bankidan. firmis 

mepatrone saqarTvelodan gaqceuli 

iyo. saqarTvelo im period- 

Si jer kidev ar gaxldaT „interpolis” 

wevri qveyana. amis miuxedavad, 

Cven TxovniT mivmarTeT „interpols”, 

daedgina „TrialeTis” 

patronis adgilsamyofeli, agre- 

Tve misi sabanko angariSebi. aRmo- 

Cnda, rom „TrialeTis” damfuZnebeli 

cxovrobda varSavaSi da var- 

Savis „amerbankSi” 4 milioni dolari 

hqonda Setanili. „interpolma” 

erToblivi jgufis Seqmna SemogvTavaza, 

romelic daapatimrebda 

„TrialeTis” patrons, mis angariSs 

varSavis bankSi yadaRas daadebda 

da am Tanxas saqarTveloSi gadmoricxavda. 

im periodSi, roca am 

operaciis mzadeba daiwyo, parlamenti 

ixilavda kanons policiis 

Sesaxeb. am kanoniT Sinagan saqmeTa 

saministros ekonomikur dana- 

SaulTan brZolis sammarTvelo, 

romelic „interpolTan” erTad 

iZiebda „TrialeTis” saqmes, saer- 

Tod, gaauqmes. imJamad am sammarTvelos 

ufrosi iyo b-ni jemal 

jiqurauli, misi moadgile ki _ b- 

ni kaxa TargamaZe. maT, sxvaTa 

Soris, „TrialeTis” saqmis gaxsna- 

Si didi wvlili miuZRviT. saqmis 

masalebis mixedviT, prokuratura 

valdebuli iyo, saqme aReZra. babilaSvilma 

Tavi Seikava. aranairi 

reaqcia ar gamoumJRavnebia saqarTvelos 

parlamentsac. sxvaTa 

Soris, parlaments (vgulisxmob 

1992-1995 wlebis mowvevis parlaments) 

ar ganuxilavs saparlamento 

komisiis mier erovnuli bankis 


Sesaxeb gakeTebuli sakmaod mkacri 

daskvna. komisia 1993 wlis ivnisSi 

Temur basilias xelmZRvanelobiT 

Seiqmna. mas daskvna 1993 

wlis seqtemberSi ukve mzad hqonda, 

magram daskvna arasdros gamomzeurebula. 

Cemi informaciiT, 

daskvna parlamentis arqivSic ki 

ar inaxeba...” 

asea Tu ise, bankiris mkvleloba 

Tu TviTmkvleloba isev burusiTaa 

moculi da, rogorc kuluarebSi 

amboben, am ambis realuri 

gamoZieba mSvid Zils Zalian 

bevr biznesmensa da yofil Tu 

moqmed politikoss daufrTxobs! 

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is, rom sasamarTlo Tanamedrove saqarTvelos mTavari 

tkivili da „aqilevsis quslia”, dasamali ar aris. metic, be- 

selia-zardiaSvilis „saparlamento ringma” isic naTelyo, _ 

sasamarTlo xelisuflebaze gavlena rom ar dakargon an moi- 

povon, yvelaferze wavlen. amiT ki, cxadia, xalxi zaraldeba, 

anu sanaxaoba kargia, magram usamarTlobiT Sewuxebul adami- 

ans marto sanaxaoba ver daapurebs! 

`sasamarTlo 

arsebobs Tu ara Seqmnili 

situaciidan gamosavali? _ 

Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos 

yofili Tavmjdomare, mamuka ax- 

vlediani, 

„qronika+~-sTan 

saubrisas abobs, rom gamosavali 

politikuri nebaa. amasTan, axv- 

lediani iniciativiT gamodis, 

rom politikurma jgufebma erTgvari 

manifesti miiRon da piroba 

dadon, rom sasamarTlo siste- 

mas aucileblad Secvlian! 

rac Seexeba uzenaesi sasamarT- 

los mosamarTleobis 20-kacian 

sias, marTalia, axvlediani ko- 

nkretul pirovnebebze arafers 

ambobs, magram ganmartavs, rom es 

adamianebi samarTals ver aRadgenen, 

radgan bevr maTganze gamo- 

Ziebac unda iyos dawyebuli. 

mokled, eSveleba Tu ara rame 

qarTul sasamarTlos? _ „qronika+~ 

Tbilisis saqalaqo sasa- 

marTlos yofil Tavmjdomares, 

mamuka axvledians esaubra: 

_ batono mamuka, Cveni saubari, 

bunebrivia, mosamarTleobis kandidatebs 

Seexeba, amitom amTav- 

iTve gkiTxavT, Tqveni azriT da 

SefasebiT, „ocneba” am odiozuri 

mosamarTleebisTvis Tavs ratom 

iklavs? 

_ „ocnebas” unda, rom sasamarTlo 

gaauqmos. 

_ es rogor? 

_ sasamarTloSi gansaxilveli 

sakiTxebi politikosebze iyos 

damokidebuli da mosaxleobas 

sasamarTlos ndoba ar hqondes! 

saerTod, postsabWoTa, ufro 

sworad, ruseTis tipis qveynebSi 

swored ase xdeba. mokled, am adamianebis 

uvado mosamarTleebad 

daniSvniT Cvenc, daaxloebiT, 

aseT Sedegs miviRebT. 

_ es gasagebia, magram piradad 

me mainc ar mesmis, „ocnebas” is 

odiozuri adamianebi risTvis 

sWirdeba, vinc wina xelisufleb- 

is dros yvela gaxmaurebul 

saqmeSi figurirebda? nuTu, axlandel 

xelisuflebas daaviwy- 

da, rom „nacmoZraoba” swored 

usamarTlo sasamarTlom gadaiy- 

ola? 

_ „ocneba”, albaT, ase fiqrobs: 

am sakiTxma Cems imijze SeiZleba, 

cudad imoqmedos, magram is berketi, 

rasac sasamarTlo hqvia, 

Zalian didi xniT diskreditebuli 

iqnebao da amiT, praqtikulad, 

mTeli institutis diskreditacia 

moxdeba. yvelaferi es ki investiciebzec 

imoqmedebs da qveyana- 

Si mxolod iseTi politikuri 

fuli Semova, romelic samar- 

Talze ki ara, garkveuli adamianebis 

keTil nebazea damokidebuli. 

xom xedavT, biznesmenebTan 

saqmis garCevebi rogor xdeba _ 

zogs yuric ki moaWames. 

mokled, sabolood iseT qveynamde 

mivalT, sadac sasamarTlos 

imedi aravis eqneba da yvelas 

ecodineba, rom am qveyanaSi ra da 

rogor unda iyos! 

_ da es rusuli scenaria? 

_ SeiZleba, pirdapir rusuli 

scenari ara, magram mmarTvelobis 

igive stilia! 

_ rusuli mmarTvelobis kul- 

tivirebiT „ocnebas” dasavleT- 

Tan problemebi xom Seeqmneba, 

miT umetes, im fonze, roca civ- 

ilizebul msoflioSi samar- 

Tliani sasamarTlo demokrati- 

is fundamentad iTvleba? 

_ ki batono, asea, magram es xelisufleba 

dasavleTs am kuTxiT, 

mgoni, yuradRebas aRar aqcevs. 

rac SesaZlebeli iyo, rom dasavleTs 

eTqva, yvelaferi Tqva. bolos 

da bolos, aSS-s saxelmwifo 

departamentmac ki gaakeTa gancxadeba, 

magram amas mniSvneloba ar 

aqvs. ise, wesiT, im adamianebis mimarT, 

romelTa gasaubrebac parlamentSi 

ukve Catarda, gamoZieba 

unda mimdinareobdes. 

_ ratom? 

_ isini amis wina iusticiis sabWos 

wevrebi iyvnen da Zalian bevri 

kazusi swored maSin moxda. maT 

mier warmoebul da ganxilul 

saqmeebze aRarafers vambob. erTi 

sityviT, is, rac xdeba, yovlad 

warmoudgenelia. 

_ dakveTa, rom es adamianebi 

uvado mosamarTleebi aucileblad 

unda gaxdnen, ivaniSvilisgan 

modis Tu yvelaferi zard- 

iaSvil-maTikaSvilebis axirebaa? 

_ davalebis micema Cemi yuriT 

ar momismenia, magram SeuZlebelia, 

rom yvelaferi es ivaniSvilis 

gareSe xdebodes. yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, aseTi tipis gadawyvetilebas 

sxva veravin miiRebs. 

aqamdec bevrjer miTqvams da axlac 

gavimeoreb, rom es mafiaa, 

romelic mxolod erTi sistemis 

nawili ar aris, anu am sistemaSi 

saxelebsa da gvarebs mniSvneloba 

ar aqvs. Sesabamisad, axla aTkacian 

sias warmoadgenen, mere _ sxva sias 

da yvela imas Seasrulebs, rasac 

daavalben. es xalxi amaze Tanaxmaa! 

_ batono mamuka, am sistemas 

Signidan icnobT da gecodinebaT, 

rogor unda daingres? 

_ mTavaria politikuri neba, 

anu sistemis dangrevis survili 

unda arsebobdes. vimeoreb: sistemuri 

problema mxolod saxelebsa 

da gvarebSi ar aris! arsebobs 

garkveuli sqemebi, maT Soris, mosamarTlebis 

socialuri uzrunvelyofis 

da swored es sqemebi 

unda Seicvalos, Torem kosmetikurad 

mxolod adamianebis Secvla 

realur Sedegs ar moitans. 

_ es sistema, rogorc vxvdebi, 

wina an, sulac, imis wina xelisu- 

flebis dros Seiqmna, amitom ra 

mniSvneloba aqvs, xelisufleba- 

Si vin mova? Zalaufleba xom neb- 

ismiers ryvnis! 

_ ver dageTanxmebiT. 

_ ratom? 

_ ki batono, wina xelisuflebis 

drosac cnobili iyo, rom sasamarTloSi 

problemebi arsebobda, 

magram ara _ am tipis. 

_ aba, rogori tipis proble- 

mebi iyo? 

_ maSin sazogadoebam ar icoda, 

rom es problemebi sistemuri 

iyo. axla ki yvelaferi Zalian 

TvalsaCino gaxda da sasamarTlo- 

Si arsebuli problemebi bevrma 

politikurma jgufma sakuTar 

Tavze iwvnia! Zalian bevr poli- 

mamuka axvlediani: 

ùzenaesi 

sasamarTlos 

mosamarTleobis 

kandidatebis 

saparlamento 

mosmena farsia!~ 

tikosTan, sazogadoebis warmomadgenelsa 

Tu dainteresebul 

adamianTan misaubria, romelmac 

es problema gaiTavisa. aseTi adamianebis 

ricxvi TandaTan izrdeba, 

radgan „ocnebis” mmarTvelobis 

dros sasamarTloSi arsebuli 

problemebi, rogorc giTxariT, 

ufro TvalsaCino gaxda. aqamde 

sasamarTloSi garkveuli reforma 

tardeboda da aqedan gamomdinare, 

iTvleboda, rom cudi 

raRacebi mxolod ramdenime adamianis 

gamo xdeboda, magram axla 

sazogadoebam dainaxa, rom ase 

araa, qveyanaSi sistemuri problemaa 

da Tu es ar mogvardeba, 

problemas, pirvel rigSi, politikosebs 

Seuqmnis! yvelaferi ki sakonstitucio 

umravlesobebis 

Sedegia, anu aseT dros xelisuflebaSi 

myofi politikuri Zala 

fiqrobs, rom yvelafris ufleba 

aqvs. rogorc ki saqme koaliciur 

mTavrobamde miva, darwmunebuli 

var, politikosebi pirvelad 

swored saamarTlo sistemaze daiwyeben 

saubars! 

_ am parlamentma uvado mosa- 

marTleebis es Semadgenloba rom 

daamtkicos, 2020-Si mosul 

mmarTvel gunds an, sulac, koaliciur 

xelisuflebas am mosamarTleebis 

Secvla xom gauWird- 

eba? 

_ Tu politikuri neba iqneba, 

SesaZlebelia, rom sxvadasxva tipis 

komisia Seiqmnas da am mosamarTleebis 

saqmianoba gamoiZios, 

Tumca mTavari mainc isaa, rom 

sasamarTlo Signidanaa Sesacvleli! 

giTxariT da kidev geubnebiT: 

mxolod adamianebis cvlilebiT, 

Tu sqemebi ar Seicvleba da yvela 

sakiTxis marTvis berketi Signidan 

ar gaCnda, Sedegi ar dadgeba! 

_ asea Tu ise, batono mamuka, 

Tqveni saubridan iseTi STabeWd- 

`Senebis dros daSvebuli Secdomebi SedarebiT 

dasaSvebia, vidre - axla, roca "ocnebam" icoda, 

problema sad iyo, Tavis droze am problemas 

ebrZoda, magram xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg 

es problema Tavisad gadaaqcia, anu wina 

xelisuflebis dros, ase vTqvaT, mozelili 

comidan saSineli puri gamoacxo!~ 

ileba meqmneba, rom samarTliani 

sasamarTlo kidev karga xans ar 

gveqneba, radgan sistemur cvlilebas 

wlebi dasWirdeba. vcde- 

bi? 

_ ver vityvi, rom amas wlebi 

dasWirdeba. 

_ aseTi imedi ris safuZvelze 

gaqvT? 

_ sabednierod, sasamarTloSi 

arian adamianebi, romlebic ar Canan, 

magram SesaZlebelia, rom maT 

pozicia Seicvalon. 

_ anu? 

_ darwmunebuli var, rom isini 

namdvilad samarTlianebi iqnebian, 

Torem sistemis iqamde miyvanas, 

rogoric sinamdvileSi sasamarTlo 

unda iyos, ra Tqma unda, 

wlebi dasWirdeba. diax, es erT- 

Tviani procesi araa. Tu yvelafers 

erTi politikuri jgufi 

erT dReSi Secvlis, amas isev saTavisod 

gaakeTebs. 

_ batono mamuka, is mosa- 

marTleebi, romlebic, Tavis 

droze, „nacionalebis” navSi 

isxdnen, „ocnebaSi” ratom gada- 

portirdnen? maTze kompromatebi 

arsebobda da axalma xelisu- 

flebam ase „daaverbovka”? 

_ wina xelisuflebis dros yvelaze 

didi Secdoma e. w. SerCeuli 

mosamarTleebi iyvnen. 

_ es ras niSnavs? 

_ mosamarTleebad garkveuli 

tipaJebi irCeodnen da maTi maxasiaTebeli 

pirovnuli Tvisebebi ar 

iyo, anu mosamarTle raRacis nawili 

unda yofiliyo. ise, mosamarTlisTvis 

mxolod codna sakmarisi 

ar aris da swored amitom 

Zalian bevr qveyanaSi garkveul 

saqmeebs iuristebi ki ara, sxva 

profesiis admianebi ixilaven. 

mTavaria, es adamianebi principulebi 

iyvnen, swori pozicia hqondeT 

da vinmeze ar iyvnen damokidebulni. 

mosamarTleebis SerCeva 

CvenTanac ase unda xdebodes. 

sxvaTa Soris, Cems dros iyvnen 

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Signidanaa Sesacvleli!~ 

mosamarTleebi, romlebic gamamarTlebel 

an principul gadawyvetilebebs 

iRebdnen da maT zogierTi 

kolega pirdapir eubneboda, 

ase ratom iqceviT, Cvenc uxerxul 

situaciaSi gvayenebTo. 

mokled, es adamianebi mxolod 

sakuTar keTildReobasa da Zalauflebaze 

zrunaven, riTac 

garkveuli jgufi sargeblobs da, 

vimeoreb, yvelafer amiT sasamarTlo 

im situaciamdea misuli, 

rom Tqmac ki aravis sWirdeba, ra 

unda gaakeTos. maT zustad ician, 

Tu rogor asiamovnon xelisuflebas! 

_ e. i., zemodan ar modis 

konkretuli davaleba, am da am 

saqmeze aseTi gadawyvetileba 

gamoitaneTo? 

_ ara, aseTi sqema ar muSaobs. 

sxvaTa Soris, ase wina xelisuflebis 

dros kontroldeboda, 

Torem axla ufro cudi sqema 

muSaobs _ romel saqmeze da 

rogorc moundebaT, iseT Sedegs 

iReben imitom, rom winaaRmdegobas 

aravin gamoTqvams. maT zustad 

ician, ra unda gaakeTon da 

isic ician, Tu amas ar gaakeTeben, 

Zalian cud Sedegs miiReben da 

didi problemebi eqnebaT. 

ise, sazogadoebam, mgoni, Cems 

magaliTze Zalian kargad dainaxa, 

Tu ra SeiZleba mohyves principul 

saubars. 

_ davalebebis Sesrulebaze 

rom daTanxmebuliyaviT da xma ar 

amogeRoT, uzenaesi sasamarTlos 

mosamarTleobis kandidatTa 20- 

kacian siaSi iqnebodiT? 

_ es ar vici, magram SemoTavazeba 

zustad es iyo. 

_ anu ra? 

_ amas ratom Svrebi, ra problema 

gaqvs da ra gWirdebao? mokled, 

Tu wynarad viqnebodi, merwmuneT, 

gacilebiT ukeT da ukeTes 

poziciaze aRmovCndebodi! 

_ batono mamuka, uvado mosamarTlis 

daTxovis meqanizmi ar- 

sebobs, Tu samarTlianoba rom 

aRdges, isev ukanonobis Cadena 

mogviwevs? 

_ diax, garkveulwilad, 

ukanonobasTan mivalT, Tumca sxva 

meqanizmebic arsebobs. 

_ konkretulad? 

_ es adamianebi SesaZloa, ar 

ganTavisufldnen, magram im kategoriis 

saqmeebis ganmxilvelebi 

gaxdnen, rasac imsaxureben, anu 

martiv saqmeebs vgulisxmob. mokled, 

yvelaferi droTa ganmavlobaSi 

Tavis adgilas, rogorc 

ityvian, daileqeba. 

_ ise, gulwrfelad Tu vi- 

tyviT, sazogadoebis farTo 

masebs mosamarTleebis Tema 

maincdamainc ar aRelvebs da 

ufro politikuri wreebi aqti- 

uroben. amas riT xsniT? 

_ samwuxarod, postsabWoTa 

sivrceSi samarTlianoba ar yofila 

da amitom amis mniSvneloba 

rigiT moqalaqeebs ki ara, politikur 

jgufebsac ar esmiT. 

_ ras niSnavs, „ar esmiT”? 

_ igive moqalaqeebi fiqroben, 

rom am kuTxiT verafers Secvlian 

da amitomac hgoniaT, rom sasamarTlos 

cvlileba mxolod 

politikis Secvlis SemTxvevaSia 

`mosamarTleebad garkveuli tipaJebi irCeodnen da maTi maxasiaTebeli 

pirovnuli Tvisebebi ar iyo, anu mosamarTle raRacis nawili unda 

yofiliyo. ise, mosamarTlisTvis mxolod codna sakmarisi ar aris da 

swored amitom Zalian bevr qveyanaSi garkveul saqmeebs iuristebi ki ara, 

sxva profesiis admianebi ixilaven. mTavaria, es adamianebi principulebi 

iyvnen, swori pozicia hqondeT da vinmeze ar iyvnen damokidebulni. 

mosamarTleebis SerCeva CvenTanac ase unda xdebodes~ 

SesaZlebeli. 

amas garda, sazogadoeba imasac 

miaCvies, rom misi moTxovnisa da 

survilis miuxedavad, araferi 

icvleba da yvelaferi mainc ise 

iqneba, rogorc viRacas unda. yvelaze 

cudi swored esaa, rom am 

qveyanaSi moqalaqeebis roli nulovania 

da maT azrs aravin 

iTvaliswinebs. 

_ e. i., Tu sazogadoebis 

mZlavri protesti iqneba, xe- 

lisufleba daTmobaze wava da 

uzenaesi sasamarTlos mosamarT- 

leobis am kandidatebze uars 

ityvis? 

_ am wuTas amis piri ar Cans. 

Tu daakvirdebiT, bolo dros am 

qveyanaSi protesti Zalian bevr 

sakiTxze iyo, magram Sedegi ar 

dadga, piriqiT. amitom sazogadoeba 

fiqrobs, rom cvlilebisTvis 

politikuri jgufis Secvlaa 

saWiro! 

_ CvenSi darCes da, ukeTesi 

viTareba arc am mxriv gvaqvs, anu 

imas vambob, rom politikuri 

jgufebis umetesobac odiozuria. 

Sesabamisad, xalxSi nihil- 

izmia! 

_ gasagebia, qveyanaSi aseTi realoba 

gvaqvs, magram odiozurs 

yvelas namdvilad ver davarqmev. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, politikuri 

jgufebis mniSvnelovan nawils 

cvlilebebis ganxorcieleba Seu- 

Zlia. 

_ odiozurSi, iciT, ras 

vgulisxmob? _ ai, magaliTad, 

xalxs ar sjera, roca usamarT- 

lo sasamarTloze da, zogadad, 

usamarTlobaze wina, anu im xe- 

lisuflebis warmomadgenlebi 

saubroben, ra drosac araerTi 

usamarTloba moxda. 

_ mesmis, magram kidev erTxel 

vityvi: Zalian bevr seqtorSi mec 

am sistemis nawili viyavi da amitom 

politikur jgufebs ar davubrundebi, 

magram maSin is yvelaferi 

sxva ganwyobis gamo xdeboda, 

axla ki sul sxva ramis gamo 

xdeba. maSin sistema iqmneboda da 

Zalian bevri Secdoma amitom davuSviT. 

Sesabamisad, Senebis dros 

daSvebuli Secdomebi SedarebiT 

dasaSvebia, vidre _ axla, roca 

„ocnebam” icoda, problema sad 

iyo, Tavis droze am problemas 

ebrZoda, magram xelisuflebaSi 

mosvlis Semdeg es problema 

Tavisad gadaaqcia, anu wina xelisuflebis 

dros, ase vTqvaT, 

mozelili comidan saSineli puri 

gamoacxo! 

_ mokled, vTanxmdebiT, rom 

sistemis dangreva Zalian rTu- 

lia, ara? 

_ diax, politikurma jgufebma 

swored es unda gaigon, rom mxolod 

garedan muSaoba sakmarisi 

araa da dasayrdeni Zala sasamarTlos 

SigniT aris sapovni. 

sxvaTa Soris, Zalian bevria 

iseTi, romelmac mosamarTleobaze 

an uari Tqva, an amaT aRar daniSnes, 

Tumca SesaZlebelia, rom 

es adamianebi sistemaSi dabrund- 

nen. 

_ e. i., ambobT, rom arian ise- 

Ti mosamarTleebi, romlebic 

sistemas Signidan daupirispird- 

ebian? 

_ modiT, ase getyviT: am politikur 

situaciaSi da garemoSi 

xmamaRla saubari Zalian rTulia! 

isev Cems magaliTs vubrundebi: 

problemebze xmamaRla saubari ra 

Sedegs iZleva? Tu vinme saubars 

daiwyebs, problemebi Seeqmneba _ 

sistemidan gauSveben da rame socialuri 

garantia maTze ar gavrceldeba. 

swored amitom Zalian 

bevri iZulebulia, Cumad iyos da 

sasamarTlo sistemaSi arsebul 

problemebze araferi Tqvas! 

_ mokled, Tu problemebze 

saubars Tavad mosamarTleebi ar 

daiwyeben, e. i., CixSi varT? 

_ yvelafers politikuri 

jgufebis moTxovna da Tundac 

sakanonmdeblo doneze cvlilebebis 

ganxorcieleba sWirdeba. es 

imas miscems biZgs, rom sasamarTloSi 

TviTwmenda daiwyos! 

_ anu mosamarTleebs garantiebi 

unda hqondeT, rom usa- 

marTlobaze saubris SemTxvevaSi 

ar daisjebian? 

_ Tu vinmes ukanonoba aqvs Cadenili, 

amaze isaubrebs da ar 

daisjeba, es kidev ufro maxinj 

formas miiRebs, magram arian adamianebi, 

romlebsac Zalian bevr 

rameSi ar aqvT miRebuli monawileoba. 

sxvaTa Soris, Zalian bevr qvey- 

ès klani marto sasamarTlos ki 

ara, prokuraturasa da finansur 

jgufebsac marTavs! misi sacecebi 

Zalian bevr adgilzea modebuli!~ 

anaSi, roca araerTi mosamarTle 

ganTavisuflda, sasamarTlo 

Tavidan Camoyalibda. am Temaze 

saubari ucxoel kolegebTanac 

mqonia. 

mokled, yvelafris Secvlis 

berketi arsebobs. mTavari politikuri 

nebaa. es neba „ocnebisa” da 

ramdenime partiis garda yvela 

politikur jgufSi arsebobs. 

ise, politikurma jgufebma, 

Cemi azriT, erTiani manifestic 

unda miiRon, anu imis piroba dadon, 

rom sasamarTlo sistemas 

Secvlian, Torem am situaciaSi 

yvelaze daucvelad biznesi 

grZnobs Tavs. 

_ ratom? 

_ aseTi tipis sasamarTlos 

dros pirvel dartymas swored 

biznesi iRebs, rasac vxedavT. sxvaTa 

Soris, Zalian bevri saqmis 

ganxilva gaCerebulia, korufciamac 

moimata. yvelaferi es ki 

biznessa da, Sesabamisad, am qveynis 

yvela moqalaqeze Zalian cudad 

aisaxeba. 

_ batono mamuka, uzenaesi 

sasamarTlos mosamarTleobis 

kandidatebis saparlamento mosmenebi 

or Tves gastans. Tu bese- 

lia-zardiaSvilis incidentiT 

vimsjelebT, am ori Tvis ganmavlobaSi 

Cveulebrivi sacirko san- 

axaobis momswreni gavxdebiT? 

_ yvelaferi es farsia! 

_ anu? 

_ mosamarTleobis kandidatebis 

aranairi SerCeva da maTTan gasaubreba 

ar xdeba! ubralod, kargia, 

rom mosaxleoba am adamianebs 

xedavs da am procesis dadebiTic 

es aris, Torem yvelaferi gadawyvetilia! 

ase iyo pirveli instanciisa 

da saapelacio sasamarTlos 

Camoyalibebis drosac. 

uzenaesi sasamarTlos SemTxveva- 

Si ki ufro Tavxedurad gamouvidaT, 

anu yvelas imedi, yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, iluzia hqonda, rom 

uzenaes sasamarTloSi swori adamianebis 

daniSvna moxdeboda da 

amiT qveda instanciebSi arsebuli 

situacia Seicvleboda, magram 

imaTaviTve vicodi, rom es iluzia 

iyo da darwmunebuli viyavi, 

uzenaes sasamarTlosTan dakav- 

SirebiTac zustad is moxdeboda, 

rac qveda instanciebSi moxda! 

parlamentma uzenaesi sasamarTlos 

mosamarTleobis jer 

sam kandidats mousmina da Semi- 

Zlia giTxraT, rom SeuZlebelia, 

am adamianebma odesme samarTlianoba 

aRadginon! isini pirovnebebi 

ar arian. isini gadawyvetilebebs 

ar iReben! SesaZloa, mcodneni 

arian, magram maT is principi 

ar aqvT, rac mosamarTles unda 

hqondes. 

15 wlis ganmavlobaSi es adamianebi 

kanonebs sakuTar Tavze werdnen 

da maTi damarcxeba rogor 

warmogidgeniaT? bolo xuTi wlis 

ganmavlobaSi, zardiaSvilebisa da 

maTikaSvilebis daxmarebiT ki, es 

kanonebi kidev ufro Caabetones, 

rom am qveyanaSi yvelafris mar- 

Tva am klanma SeZlos! eseni marto 

sasamarTlos ki ara, prokuraturas 

da finansur jgufebsac 

marTaven! maTi sacecebi Zalian 

bevr adgilzea modebuli! 

N30 (291) 1.10-07.10.2019 w. 

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òcneba~ fiqrobs, rom is SeZlebs 

gega silagava 

„qronika+~ esaubreba politologsa 

da eqsperts usafrTxoeb- 

is sakiTxebSi, xaTuna lagaziZes: 

_ mogesalmebiT, bolo dros 

ganviTarebuli movlenebidan yvelaze 

mniSvnelovani mainc niu- 

iorkSi gamarTuli saqarTvelosa 

da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa min- 

istrebis, daviT zalkalianisa da 

sergei lavrovis Sexvedraa. am 

Sexvedris Sesaxeb Cven detalur 

informacias uaxloes periodSi 

ver miviRebT, anu imaze mets, 

rasac mxareebi oficialurad 

ityvian. amis miuxedavad, Tavad 

Sexvedris faqti SevafasoT da is 

mosazrebac, rom es Sexvedra 

saqarTvelos xelisuflebis pro- 

rusuli kursis gamoZaxilia. 

_ lavrov-zalkalianis Sexvedris 

paralelurad amerikul 

presaSi gamoqveynda trampisa da 

zelenskis Sexvedris sruli Canaweri, 

sadac trampi pirdapir eubneba 

zelenskis, rom ukrainis problemis 

gadawyvetaSi evropam gacilebiT 

meti wvlili unda Seitanos, 

vidre amerikam da samjer 

uTiTebs ruseTTan pirispir Sexvedris 

aucileblobaze. manamde 

gavrcelda informacia trampis 

administraciis mxridan ukrainis 

Tavdacvis miznebisTvis gamoyofili 

250 milionis SeCerebaze. 

mizezebze aq yuradRebas ar gavamaxvileb. 

mTavari is aris, rom am 

da kidev sxva faqtebis gamo rCeba 

STabeWileba, rom trampis administracia 

uars ambobs ukrainis 

problemebis gadawyvetaSi aqtiuri 

rolis Sesrulebaze. 

gavixsenoT, lavrov-zalkalianis 

Sexvedris Semdeg saqarTvelos 

oficialuri pirebis gancxadebebic, 

rom es Sexvedra dasavleli 

partniorebis rekomendaciiT 

Sedga. Zalauneburad Cndeba kiTxva: 

xom ar gvtovebs dasavleTi Cven 

da ukrainas Cveni problemebiT 

ruseTis pirispir?! yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

cxadia, ruseTi fiqrobs, 

rom dro dRes mis sasargeblod 

muSaobs da sanam asea, maqsimaluri 

unda miiRos ukrainisganac da 

saqarTvelosganac. 

_ ra SeiZleba iyos maqsimumi am 

pirobebSi ruseTisTvis?! 

_ 2020 wels ruseTisadmi, 

rogorc arasdros, loialurad 

ganwyobili saqarTvelos parlamenti 

da amisTvis ruseTi Zalisxmevas 

ar daiSurebs. magram lavrov-zalkalianis 

Sexvedris Sedegi 

namdvilad ver waadgeba ruseTis am 

mizans. ar vici, ra iyo Sexvedris 

Sinaarsi, magram is namdvilad vici, 

rom lavrovis damcinav-damamcirebeli 

toni preskonferenciaze, 

romliTac man saqarTvelos sagareo 

saqmeTa ministrTan Sexvedra 

Seafasa, mxolod antirusul ganwyobebs 

Tu gaaZlierebs saqarTveloSi. 

da im mosazrebas aqarwylebs, 

rac Tqvens kiTxvaSi iyo: „ocnebis” 

prorusulobaze. ra gamodis: Tu 

ruseTi misadmi loialurad ganwyobili 

„ocnebis” xelisuflebis 

SenarCunebas cdilobs 2020-isTvis, 

maSin ase mwared wixls ratom 

azels saerTaSoriso arenaze?! 

_ piradad CemTvis ruseTis 

fenomenidan gamomdinare, pasuxi 

naTelia, magram mainc sjobs gan- 

vmartoT, es metad saintereso 

mocemuloba _ ratom dascina 

lavrovma saqarTvelos sagareo 

saqmeTa ministrs da, realurad, 

ruseTma saqarTvelosa da mis xe- 

lisuflebas? 

_ Tu mTeli es scenari, Sexvedrian-preskonferencianad, 

imitom 

daidga, rom lavrovs gaeros 

tribunidan moqneuli wixliT saerTaSoriso 

sazogadoebisTvis eCvenebina, 

rom saqarTvelos dRevandeli 

xelisufleba maTi partniori 

ar aris, radgan partniorebs ase 

ar imeteben?! xom cxadia, rom lavrovi 

amaze ar daxurdavdeboda. 

Tumca verc qarTuli feisbukis 

nawilis moTqmas SevuerTdebi imis 

Taobaze, Tu rogor gailaxa qarTuli 

diplomatia: kidev erTxel 

vusvam xazs _ ar viciT, ra iyo am 

molaparakebis realuri mizani, magram 

Sedegi rom ruseTisTvis arasaxarbielo 

dadga, cxadze cxadia: 

saqarTvelos mosaxleobam kidev 

erTxel dainaxa, ras SeiZleba elodos 

ruseTisgan gaeros tribunidan 

moqneuli wixlis garda. 

_ am fonze, ramdenime xanSi, 

saqarTvelos vizitad aSS-is sax- 

elmwifo mdivani, maikl pompeo 

unda ewvios. niSandoblivia is 

garemoeba, rom pompeo aris pirve- 

li adamiani aSS-is istoriaSi, 

romelmac centraluri dazvervis 

saagentos ufrosis savarZlidan 

amerikis mTavari diplomatis kab- 

inetSi gadainacvla. anu amiT imis 

Tqma minda, rom is udidesi in- 

formaciis matarebeli adamiania. 

paralelurad, qarTuli mxaris 

gancxadebebidan viciT, rom zal- 

kaliani-lavrovis Sexvedra stra- 

tegiuli partniorisa da sxva partniorebis 

mier gaxldaT inicir- 

ebuli. ratom iyo aqtualuri 

imave amerikuli mxarisgan, am pro- 

cesis provocireba moexdina? ras 

elodeba am kontaqtebisgan aSS an 

ufro metic, am konteqstSi ra 

gancxadebebs unda velodoT ba- 

toni pompeosgan TbilisSi? 

_ kiTxva, romelsac sakuTar 

Tavs xSrad vusvam, aseTia: ramdenad 

SeiZleba dRes vilaparakoT 

or aSS-ze _ erTi, romelic Zalian 

proaqtiuria saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT 

da mzad aris, yvelanairad 

daicvas saqarTvelos interesebi, 

naTlad xedavs ra saqarTvelos 

mniSvnelobas amerikis sagareo politikaSi 

da meore _ trampis amerika, 

romelsac srulyofilad formulirebulic 

ki ar aqvs saqar- 

Tvelos mimarTulebiT politika. 

_ rCeba STabeWdileba, rom 

saqarTvelosa da ukrainis mima- 

rTulebiT, aSS-is dRevandeli 

administraciis amocana is aris, 

rom Cven martoni gavumklavdeT 

im monstrs, romelsac Tavad an- 

gariSs uweven, xSirad eSiniaT 

kidec da uTmoben bevr rames. Tu 

Cvenc da ukrainamac am brZolaSi 

maT gareSe gavimarjveT, mere ra 

politikuri namusiT unda 

daeswron gamarjvebis foierverks 

an Tu davmarcxdiT, aseve ra na- 

musiT unda daeswron Cveni 

dakrZalvis ceremonials? ukac- 

ravad, SegawyvetineT... 

_ Tumca, vfiqrob, aris sakiTxebi, 

romlebzedac yvela jerdeba 

da erT-erTi aseTi anakliis Temaa, 

razec pompeom wina premieris amerikaSi 

vizitisas Zalian naTlad isaubra. 

Tumca masze ufro Tvalsa- 

Cinod anakliis portis mniSvneloba 

saqarTvelosTvis da dasavleli 

partniorebisTvis axsna ben hojesma, 

evropaSi aSS-is SeiaraRebuli 

xaTuna lagaziZe: 

`Cven Tu adre 

vsaubrobdiT 

or ruseTze, 

mgoni, axla 

saubari 

gviwevs or 

amerikaze: 

erTi _ 

hojesi, meore 

_ trampi~ 

Zalebis yofilma sardalma. hojesi 

ambobs, rom anakliis porti 

saqarTvelos saSualebas miscemda, 

erTi mxriv, gamxdariyo Savi zRvis 

usafrTxoebis erTiani sivrcis 

nawili, „romlis farglebSi moxdeba 

TanamSromloba iseTi mimarTulebebiT, 

rogoric aris sadazvervo 

informaciis gacvla, wyalqveSa 

navebis winaaRmdeg brZolis 

unarebis daxvewa, wvrTnebi, 

teqnikuri da infrastruqturuli 

sakiTxebi da naosnobis Tavisuflebis 

realizeba”, xolo, meore 

mxriv, anakliis porti sami zRvis 

_ baltiis, adriatikisa da Savi _ 

suraTs Secvlis da am zRvebs 

ekonomikur sargebels moutans. 

amitomacaa, rom ruseTs ar surs am 

proeqtis ganxorcielebao”. sityva 

Zalian rom ar gagvigrZeldes, 

Tu pompeos viziti ZalaSia, misi 

Camosvlis erT-erTi Tema udavod 

iqneba anakliis porti, Tumca mTlad 

ukeTesi iqneba, Tu amerikelebi 

gancxadebebs saqmesac, anu investorsac 

moayoleben da daafinanseben 

anakliis portis mSeneblobas. 

Torem maT adgilas „anakliis konsorciumi” 

gaurkveveli warmoSobis 

„meridians” gvTavazobs, savaraudod, 

yazaxuri kapitaliT da 

erT-erTi damfuZnebliT, romelic, 

imavdroulad, 2006 wlidan 

„gazpromis” direqtorTa sabWos 

wevria. 

_ diax, anaklia namdvilad mniS- 

vnelovani Temaa rogorc qveynis 

Sida, aseve sagareo politikis 

TvalsazrisiT. magram, iciT, ra 

mainteresebs, _ ramdenad realis- 

turad geCvenebaT, rom qarTulma 

mxarem, Tundac pompeos vizitis 

farglebSi, dasvas sakiTxi saqarTveloSi 

strategiuli partnioris 

bazebis ganTavsebis Sesax- 

eb? miT ufro, rom rasmusenis 

ideis garSemo, am etapze, safuZv- 

`Tu pompeos viziti ZalaSia, misi Camosvlis 

erT-erTi Tema udavod iqneba anakliis porti, 

Tumca mTlad ukeTesi iqneba, Tu amerikelebi 

gancxadebebs saqmesac, anu investorsac 

moayoleben da daafinanseben anakliis portis 

mSeneblobas. Torem maT adgilas ànakliis 

konsorciumi~ gaurkveveli warmoSobis 

`meridians~ gvTavazobs, savaraudod, yazaxuri 

kapitaliT da erT-erTi damfuZnebliT, 

romelic, imavdroulad, 2006 wlidan 

`gazpromis~ direqtorTa sabWos wevria~ 

liani qmedebebi ar Cans da natom- 

de kvlav Soria. 

_ igive ben hojesi zemoxsenebul 

interviuSi Zalian saintereso 

informacias gvawvdis, rom mimdinareobda 

diskusiebi saerTo 

aviabazis Sesaxebo. anu Zalian aqtiur 

fazaSi yofila amerikasaqarTvelosa 

da nato-saqarTvelos 

urTierTobebi, rasac Cveni 

amerikeli partniorebis mxridan 

vigebT. magram ar viciT, ra etapzea 

dRes es molaparakebebi Tu diskusiebi. 

Tumca cxadad Cans, rom 

igive amerikis politikuri elitis 

nawilSi saqarTvelos dRevandeli 

xelisuflebis prodasavlurobis 

mimarT kiTxvis niSnebi arsebobs da 

amas igive ben hojesi Tavis interviuSi 

3-jer imeorebs da ambobs, 

rom natoSi da dasavlur sivrceSi 

Semdgomi winsvlisTvis aucilebeli 

pirobaa, saqarTvelos xelisuflebam 

es eWvebi gaaqarwylos. 

_ axla saSinao politikasac 

mivxedoT. ukve sakmao dro gavi- 

da samTavrobo cvlilebebis 

Semdgom, magram sazogadoebas jer 

araferi ugrZnia. anu giorgi gax- 

arias, rogorc axali premieris 

pozicionirebas, ver vxedavT da 

igi nel-nela emsgavseba Cum 

winamorbedebs, Tu es droebiTi 

iluziaa?.. 

_ daviwyoT imiT, rom ara mgonia, 

ivaniSvils surdes, mTeli pasuxismgebloba 

da yvela isari misken 

iyos mimarTuli, amitom man 

yvela SesaZlo variantidan gaxarias 

saxiT airCia figura, romelic 

pasuxismgeblobas sakuTar Tavze 

aiRebs ara marto warmatebis 

SemTxvevaSi, aramed marcxis drosac. 

amis magaliTi man 20 ivniss 

aCvena. miuxedavad imisa, rom bevrs 

dRemde ar sjera, rom is iyo 20 

ivnisis movlenebis realuri avtori, 

man sakuTar Tavze aiRo mTeli 

pasuxismgebloba. amave mizeziT, 

mas eqneba ufro meti Tavisufleba, 

vidre _ winamorbed premierebs. 

Tumca es Tavisufleba SezRuduli 

iqneba: amaze metyvelebs wulukianis 

magaliTi, romlis dawinaurebis 

iniciatori gaxaria ara 

mgonia, yofiliyo. magram wulukianma 

es sazRauri sasamarTlos qus- 

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xelisuflebaSi mesame vadiT darCenas~ 

lqveS moqcevisTvis miiRo, rogorc 

Cans. rac Seexeba individualizms: 

darCenil erT weliwadSi yvelaferi 

arCevnebs iqneba morgebuli 

da rolebic „ocnebaSi” amis 

mixedviT ganawildeba. arCevnebze 

ivaniSvili sami falavniT gava. 

_ vis gulisxmobT? 

_ RaribaSvils _ romelic „ocnebis” 

Zveli wevrebisa da amomrCevlebis 

droSa da flagmania; kalaZes 

_ TbilisSi ganxorcielebuli 

proeqtebiTa da aqtivobebiT da 

gaxarias, romlis pozicionireba 

ukve daiwyo, rogorc qveynisa da 

xelisuflebis saxelmwifo gadatrialebisgan 

gadamrCenis. misi moqmedebebis 

logikac arCevnebamde 

swored am xazs daeqvemdebareba _ 

gaxaria, rogorc „ocnebis” fari da 

maxvili, romelmac qveyana yovelgvari 

revoluciuri scenarebisgan 

Tu gadatrialebebisgan unda 

daazRvios. ramdenad miscemen mas 

saSualebas inovatorisa da reformatoris 

funqciac SeiTavsos, 

es „ocnebis” saarCevno strategiaze 

iqneba damokidebuli. rac 

Seexeba imas, ra unda moeswro ganvlil 

arasrul erT TveSi: bevri 

arc araferi. mTavaria, darCenil 

erT weliwadSi ras moisurvebs da 

ras moaswrebs. 

_ rogor fiqrobT, saerTod, 

arsebobs raime saxis Sansi, rom 

arCevnebamde darCenili erTi 

wlis ganmavlobaSi rame sasike- 

Tod Seicvalos _ vgulisxmob 

xalxisTvis sasikeTod da ara Ci- 

novnikebisTvis, da konkretulad 

ra sferoSi? 

_ wesiT, „ocneba” unda mixvdes, 

rom mas winasaarCevnod ara mxolod 

opoziciis gasanadgureblad 

warmoebuli Savi piari, 

aramed pozitiuri imijic sWirdeba 

da am mizniT masStaburi iniciativebis 

daanonseba unda daiwyos, 

romelic SemdegSi an ganxorcieldeba, 

an _ ara. am masStaburi 

iniciativebis arsebobas mafiqrebinebs 

quTaisis teqnologiuri 

universitetis prezentaciis mowyoba, 

romelic Tavisi arsiT globaluri 

proeqtia, romelmac 

saqarTvelos axali TaobebisTvis 

ganaTlebis Tanamedrove standarti 

unda Seqmnas, Tu is realobad 

iqca. aseTi tipis SemoTavazebebis 

daanonsebas veli xelisuflebisgan 

winasaarCevnod, Tumca ar 

veli, rom „ocneba” wava realur 

reformebze an miT ufro, eris- 

Tvis erTiani, nacionaluri ideis 

SeTavazebaze. 

_ ratom ar eliT? 

_ „ocnebas” amis arc resursi 

aqvs da arc _ survili. „ocnebas” 

ar sWirdeba erTi miznis garSemo 

gaerTianebuli sazogadoeba, radgan: 

1. mas aseTi mizani ar aqvs da 

2. daTiTokacebul-depresiuli 

adamianebis marTva ufro eioleba. 

amitomac winasaarCevnod ufro socialur 

proeqtebze iqneba orientirebuli, 

romelsac SesaZloa, 

mosyidvis suni auvides. samwuxarod, 

ar veli mTavars: korufciasTan 

masobrivi brZolis dawyebas, 

radgan, rasac vuyureb, iseTi 

xalxi monawileobs „ocnebis” partiuli 

aqtivis SexvedrebSi, romlebzec 

milionobiT gaflangvis 

faqti udevs auditis departaments 

da romelTa saqmianobasac 

sus-i iZiebs. xelisufleba, rogorc 

Cans, momavali saarCevno 

kampaniis ganxorcielebasac maTi 

zurgebiT apirebs, radgan sisxlis 

òcnebas" ar sWirdeba erTi miznis garSemo gaerTianebuli sazogadoeba, 

radgan: 1. mas aseTi mizani ar aqvs da 2. daTiTokacebul-depresiuli 

adamianebis marTva ufro eioleba. amitomac winasaarCevnod ufro 

socialur proeqtebze iqneba orientirebuli, romelsac SesaZloa, mosyidvis 

suni auvides. samwuxarod, ar veli mTavars: korufciasTan masobrivi 

brZolis dawyebas, radgan, rasac vuyureb, iseTi xalxi monawileobs "ocnebis" 

partiuli aqtivis SexvedrebSi, romlebzec milionobiT gaflangvis faqti 

udevs auditis departaments da romelTa saqmianobasac sus-i iZiebs~ 

samarTlis danaSaulSi eWvmitanilis 

marTvas ra unda, roca mis 

cixeSi gamosaketad uamravi masala 

gidevs ujraSi. 

_ Tqven gjeraT, rom gaxaria 

gaxdeba 2020 wlis arCevnebisTvis 

ivaniSvilis warmatebis gasaRebi? 

da ufro Tu gavSliT Temas, ra 

ganapirobebs „ocnebis” aseT Tvi- 

Tdajerebulobas da ra SeiZleba 

aRmoCndes misi aqilevsis qusli? 

_ TviTdajerebulobas ganapirobebs 

opoziciis sisuste, 

rasac dasavleTic grZnobs: imgvari 

alternatiuli liderebis 

ararseboba, romelTa imedadac 

dasavleTi gadawyvetilebas miiRebda, 

rom moqmedebaSi moeyvana 

saqarTvelosTvis Cveuli „2 vadis” 

principi, anu mieRo gadawyvetileba 

saqarTveloSi xelisuflebis 

Secvlis Taobaze. radgan aseTi 

liderebi da partiebi ar arian da 

trampis administraciis aqtivobac 

saqarTvelos mimarT Semcirebulia, 

„ocneba” fiqrobs, rom is Se- 

Zlebs xelisuflebaSi mesame vadiT 

darCenas. 

Tumca es TviTdajerebuloba 

absoluturi ar aris da amas mowmobs 

gia JorJolianis mxridan 

oriode dRis win gakeTebuli iniciativa, 

rom arCevnebi Catardes 

regionul-proporciuli sistemiT 

mravalmandatian maJoritarul 

olqebSi. arsebobs proporciuli 

sistemis sxvadasxva nairsaxeoba, 

maT Soris, aris proporciuli 

sistema regionul-proporciuli 

siebiT, rac martivad rom vTqvaT, 

imas niSnavs, rom iqneba imereTis 

sia, guriis, Tbilisisa da a. S. es 

150 mandati gadanawildeba regionebis 

mixedviT dayofil siebSi. am 

SemTxvevaSi es ybadaRebuli nulovani 

barieri zogierT regionSi 

0.67% ki ar iqneba, rogorc daanonsda, 

aramed SeiZleba iyos 10- 

12% da metic. magaliTad, davuSvaT, 

Tbiliss proporciuli siiT 

ergo 20 deputati da vTqvaT, hyavs 

milioni amomrCeveli, maSin bunebrivi 

barieriT 1 mandatisTvis 

saWiro gamodis 50 000 xma da ara, 

igive _ 15 000. aseT pirobebSi momaval 

parlamentSi aRmoCndeba, 

maqsimum, 3 partia, radgan es sistema 

saqarTveloSi perspeqtivas uspobs 

mcire partiebs, Tundac, er- 

Ti deputatis gayvanis. ra Tqma 

unda, JorJolianis piriT xelisufleba 

RaRadebs da Tu sabolood 

es varianti gavida, „ocneba” kvlav 

mova umravlesobiT, Tavqeifa 

opozicia ki, romelmac JorJolianis 

es iniciativa mdumared Caatara, 

morig jerze gaucruebs 

amomrCevels imeds. 

_ radgan opozicia axseneT, 

axla maTze SevaCeroT yuradRe- 

ba. Tqveni SefasebiT, ra viTareba 

gvaqvs am flangze da ramdenad 

migaCniaT warmatebis formulad 

sazogadoebisTvis SeTavazebuli 

„yvelas minus erTi”? 

_ opoziciam dakarga is procentebic 

ki, romelic 2018 wels 

saprezidento arCevnebSi hqonda. 

dRes, bolo gamokiTxvebis Tanaxmad, 

amomrCevlis 70%-s ar aqvs 

Camoyalibebuli arCevani arsebuli 

politikuri speqtris mimarT. 

es, ra Tqma unda, opoziciisTvis 

gamocxadebuli undoblobac aris. 

opoziciis problema is gaxlavT, 

rom win ver ixedeba, yvela warsul 

miRwevebze apelirebs, warsulSi ki 

maTTvis saxarbielo bevri araferia, 

axals ki sazogadoebas verafers 

sTavazoben. formula: erTi 

yvelas winaaRmdeg, vfiqrob, momaval 

arCevnebSi „ocnebis” gamarjvebis 

sawindaria. radgan Tu amomrCevelSi 

imedgacrueba SenarCunda, 

xalxi, ubralod, saxlSi dar- 

Ceba da arCevnebze ar miva. ratom 

ar imuSavebs es formula?! imitom, 

rom visac unda Seekra „ocnebis” 

winaaRmdeg, anu igive „nacebs”, 

romlis wevrebis nawilis ritorika 

dResac iseTi agresiiTa savse 

gansxvavebulad moazrovneTa mimarT, 

rom yovel jerze geufleba 

maTi mxridan SurisZiebis molodini, 

ufro meti danaSaulebiT arian 

xelisuflebaSi yofnisas daRdasmulni. 

amitom, opozicias sruliad 

sxva strategia sWirdeba. 

zemoT „ocnebis” aqilevsis qusli 

mkiTxeT. „ocnebis” aqilevsis 

qusli is aris, rom mas politikur 

velSi iseTi partniorebi ar 

eguleba, romlebTan erTadac koalicias 

Sekravs momaval parlamentSi: 

prorusul partiebTan koalicias 

amerika ar miesalmeba, xolo 

„evropul saqarTvelosTan” Tu 

„girCTan” _ „ocnebis” amomrCeveli. 

amitomac „ocneba” iZulebulia, 

ibrZolos pricnipiT: an yvelaferi 

an araferi, rac mas Secdomebs 

daaSvebinebs, avtoritarizmisken 

da xelebis gadagrexis politikisken 

da arCevnebSi akrZaluli 

meTodebiT brZolisken ubiZgebs 

da Tu am gzaze Zalian gadaaWarbebs, 

maSin marTla SeiZleba amuSavdes 

principi: erTi yvelas 

winaaRmdeg. 

_ cxadia, rom qveyanaSi ar aris 

mesame Zalis resursi. ar aris am 

ZalisTvis arc materialuri da 

arc inteleqtualuri resursi. 

piradad me sulac ar mimaCnia me- 

same Zalad „lelo” da misi lide- 

ri. magram es Cemi subieqturi 

azria. am viTarebaSi riT unda 

moxiblos opozicam amomrCeveli? 

mxolod „biZina unda davamxoT” 

imuSavebs? aman xom erTxel imuSava 

2012 wels, rodesac „yvela mi- 

nus erTi” formuliT daamxes 

saakaSvili da rac miviReT vxe- 

davT, anu isev is. amitom aris 

saintereso, raze gaurigdeba da 

gahyveba amomrCeveli opoziciis 

gacveTil saxeebs? mxolod bi- 

Zinas dasamxobad? da es Tavad 

aqvs gaTviTcnobierebuli opozi- 

cias? 

_ dRes sazogadoebas sWirdeba 

CiraRdani politikosi, lideri, 

liderTa jgufi Tu idea, romelic 

swored CiraRdaniviT gaWris am 

mrume politikur sivrces da amomrCevels 

daarwmunebs, rom mas gamarjveba 

SeuZlia, masze mindoba da 

gayola Rirs. qarTul politikas 

dRes katastrofulad aklia: idea, 

misia, muxti da energia da, kidev 

da kidev, energia, anu, realurad, 

yvelaferi, rac politikossa da 

politikas qmnis. Tu opozicia amas 

ver mixvda da Tavad ar ganicada 

sruli transformacia, rac Zalze 

saTuod meCveneba erT weliwadSi, 

maSin arCevnebSi is damarcxdeba. 

isev da isev aucilebelia axali 

saxeebiT da ideebiT politikuri 

sivrcis gajereba, oRond 

muxtis, energetikis, misiis mqone 

politikosebiT. 

rac Seexeba xazaraZes, mrCeba 

STabeWdileba, rom is politikur 

partias ki ara, akademiur politikur 

klubs ayalibebs „respublikuri 

partiis” msgavsad. mxardaWerac 

Sesabamisi eqneba. sazogadoebas 

sWirdeba politikosebTan, 

partiasTan erTianobis gancda 

da ara akademiuri traqtatebi. 

Tavad xazaraZe, roca mis yvela 

gamoCenas elvis efeqti unda 

hqondes, rom gaanaTos da gaWras 

damyayebuli politikuri Tu sazogadoebrivi 

sivrce da aanTos 

sazogadoeba, piriqiT, sul ufro 

ewereba rigiTi politikosebis kohortaSi: 

iyo rigiTi momitinge 

mitingze sxva kolega politikosebs 

Soris, sul ufro akademiuri 

xdeba misi gamosvlebisa Tu 

prezentaciebis manera da a. S. mainteresebs, 

vin Cemi codviT savsem 

urCia, rom politika akademiuri 

weraa?! mokled, masac sruli 

transformacia marTebs, Tu politikaSi 

warmatebis miRweva unda. 

_ qarTuli politikis wyevlaa 

politikosebis viwro Tvalsaw- 

ieri. am mxriv verc amomrCeveli 

daikvexnis imiT, rom gaazrebuli 

hqondes, ra surs _ amorfuli 

pasuxis _ kargad cxovrebis garda. 

amis dasturia, rom dRes gvaqvs 

sadRegrZeloebiT gajerebu- 

li konstitucia, romlisTvisac 

ar vibrZoleT da kidev uaresi _ 

am dReebSi mimdinareobs uzenae- 

si sasamarTlos mosamarTleebis 

SerCevis procesi, romelmac „ocnebis” 

gundSi dapirispireba gaaRrmava. 

ras unda velodoT am pro- 

cesisgan? 

_ „ocnebis” daSla SeCerda, radgan 

iq darCenilTa umravlesobas 

politikur-imijur-resursulad 

nulovani Rirebuleba an nuls qvemoT 

Rirebuleba aqvs sxva politikuri 

ZalebisTvis, Sesabamisad, 

wasasvlelic ki arsad aqvs. meore 

mxriv, arc „ocnebis” „pexotas” miaCnia 

sxva politikuri Zalebi im 

perspeqtivis mqoned, rom maTTan 

sakuTari bedis dakavSireba xiblavdeT. 

moralsa da Rirebulebebze 

ki „ocnebis” deputaciis umravlesoba 

arc arasdros yofila 

orientirebuli da xvalac ar iqneba. 

maxsendeba „ocnebis” erT-erTi 

komitetis Tavmjdomaris naTqvami, 

rom 2016 wlis parlamentis deputaciis 

SerCevisas aravin dainteresebula 

maTi xedvebiT ekonomikis, 

sagareo politikisa Tu sxva fundamenturi 

sakiTxebis da Rirebulebebis 

Taobaze da „umravlesobis” 

umravlesobam erTmaneTi 

lamis parlamentSi gaicno. Tumca 

axla Cven im adamianebze vsaubrobT, 

visi arc yofna da arc aryofna 

aranair kvals ar datovebs 

qarTul politikaSi. mTavari sxva 

ramea: ramdenad aqvs saqarTvelos 

sazogadoebas resursi, Svas arCevnebamde 

darCenil erT weliwadSi 

sicocxlisunariani da konkurentuli 

idea, romelic qarTul 

politikur speqtrs meore sunTqvas 

gauxsnis da proporciuli 

arCevnebis ideasac morig fiqciad 

ar aqcevs. 

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2019 wlis 26 seqtembers (2008 

wlis agvistos omis Semdeg pirvelad) saqarTvelosa da ruse- 

Tis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebis Sexvedra niu-iorkSi gaimar- 

Ta, sadac gaeros generaluri asambleis 74-e sesia mimdinare- 

obs. rogorc Sveicariis sagareo uwyebamac daadastura, ini- 

ciatori Sveicariis federacia iyo. 

Sexvedridan ramdenime saaTSi saqarTvelos sagareo uwye- 

bam zalkalianis komentari gaavrcela, sadac is ambobs, rom 

lavrovs „yvelaferze” elaparaka da msjelobis ZiriTadi Tema 

„deokupacia da ukanono borderizacia” iyo. 

Tumca ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministri sergei lavrovi 

acxadebs, rom daviT zalkalianTan Sexvedraze ruseTTan 

frenebis aRdgenaze isaubres da es sakiTxi Sexvedraze 

qarTulma mxarem daayena. lavrovi aseve irwmuneba, rom Sexvedra 

Tavad saqarTvelos sagareo saqmeTa ministris iniciativ- 

iT gaimarTa. ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministri ironiulad 

aRniSnavs, rom zalkalianis komentarebi ufro grZeli iyo, 

vidre Sexvedris xangrZlivoba. 

ratom Sexvdnen saqarTvelosa 

da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebi 

11 wlis Semdeg, maincd- 

amainc, axla? ra winapiroba Sei- 

Zleba hqondes aRniSnul Sexve- 

dras? ras cdilobs „qarTuli 

ocneba” da ramdenad realuria 

ruseTTan urTierTobis normal- 

izacia? 

am da sxva mniSvnelovan Teme- 

bze „qronika+” eqspert Tornike 

SaraSeniZes esaubra: 

_ 11 welia, saqarTvelosa da 

ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrebis 

doneze Sexvedra ar gama- 

rTula, rogor fiqrobT, ratom 

Sexvdnen, maincdamainc, axla? 

_ kargi SekiTxvaa. mgoni, es Sexvedra 

ruseTis Tanxmobis gareSe 

ar gaimarTeboda, maT rom ar ndomodaT, 

es ar moxdeboda. visi iniciativa 

iyo, es namdvilad ar vici, 

SeiZleba rusebma moiTxoves, rom 

Sexvedra qarTuli mxaris iniciativa 

yofiliyo. Tu marTalia is 

versia, rom qarTulma mxarem 

moiTxova Sexvedra mxolod imitom, 

rom Sevedreboda ruseTs aviareisebis 

aRdgenas, maSin katastroful 

situaciaSi varT. arsebobs 

meore versia, rom ruseTs 

TviTon unda, aviareisebi aRadginos 

da surs daabrunos is situacia, 

romelic 20 ivnisamde iyo. am 

SemTxvevaSi paTosi ukve gasagebi 

xdeba. imedi mqonda, rom borderizacias 

mainc Seexeboda saubari 

da qarTuli mxare am sakiTxs mainc 

daayenebda dRis wesrigSi. male 

gamoCnda, ra Sedegebi moitana am 

Sexvedram. jerjerobiT, aranairi 

Sedegi ar moutania, lavrovis komentaridan 

gamomdinare ase Cans. 

mgoni, lavrovi gaabraza im faqtma, 

rom zalkalianma daikvexna, 

deokupaciaze visaubreo. ara mgonia, 

zalkalians saerTod sityva 

deokupacia exsenebinos am Sexvedraze. 

ubralod, saqarTvelos sagareo 

saqmeTa ministri, CvenTan, 

Sida auditoriasTan imarTlebda 

Tavs. vfiqrob, momavalSi nel-nela 

gairkveva, ra saubari Sedga realurad. 

„qarTul ocnebas” msgavsi Sexvedrebi 

rac ufro meti eqneba, miT 

uaresia misTvis. saarCevno weli 

modis da wesiT, Tu Wkua aqvT, unda 

moeridon aseT Sexvedrebs imitom, 

rom Zalian cudi gamoxmaureba 

moyva ukve, Tundac lavrovis komentarebidan 

gamomdinare. 

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom „qarTul 

ocnebas” Tu Wkua aqvs, msgavs Sex- 

vedrebs unda moeridoso. rogor 

fiqrobT, ra gaTvla aqvs mmarTvel 

gunds, isini cdiloben mosax- 

leobas daanaxon, rom ruseTTan 

urTierTobis daTbobis mcdelo- 

ba aqvT? 

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” erT-erTi 

mTavari prioriteti Tavidanve iyo 

ruseTTan urTierTobis normalizacia 

da swored amas emsaxureba 

lavrovisa da zalkalianis Sexvedra. 

20 ivnisis Semdeg „qarTul 

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ocnebas” normalizaciis procesi 

Cauvarda, axla cdilobs daabrunos 

da im status-kvoSi gadavides, 

romelic 20 ivnisamde iyo. 

vfiqrob, igives cdilobs ruseTic, 

rom 20 ivnisamde ra situaciac 

iyo, imas daubrundes. SegviZlia 

vTqvaT, rom 20 ivnisamde arsebul 

status-kvoSi dabruneba orive mxares 

awyobs. 

_ Sexvedris Semdeg gakeTebul 

komentarSi lavrovma ganacxada, 

rom SesaZloa, frenebis embargo 

moixsnaso. Tu realurad saubris 

Tema aviareisebze embargos moxsna 

iyo, maSin logikurad es iqne- 

boda savaWro Tema, sanacvlod, 

qarTul mxaresac mouwevs ramis 

daTmoba. rogor fiqrobT, ramdenad 

gamarTlebuli iqneba aviareisebze 

embargos moxsnis sanacv- 

lod ramis daTmoba? 

_ simarTle giTxraT, Tu aviareisebze 

embargos moxsnis sanacvlod 

qarTuli mxare ramis daTmobas 

apirebs, es sruli katastrofaa 

da, ra Tqma unda, miuRebelia. 

vfiqrob, Tu es asea, maSin amaze 

yvelam xma unda amoviRoT. ras ni- 

Snavs, frenebis aRdgenis sanacvlod 

rame davuTmoT?! realurad, 

ras vigebT Cven frenebis aRdgeniT? 

rogorc aRmoCnda, rusi turistebi 

mainc Camodian saqarTvelo- 

Si. piriqiT, me, rom mkiTxoT, ruse- 

Tis interesebSi ufro aris saqarTvelosTan 

frenebis aRdgena. 

_ ruseTis stilia, rom Tavad 

dauTmon da sanacvlod araferi 

miiRon? 

_ bunebrivia, isini Seecdebian, 

raRac gamoivaWron, magram imedi 

maqvs, saqarTveloSi, mTavrobasa 

da sagareo saqmeTa saministroSi, 

imdens mixvdebian, rom mxolod 

Cvens interesebSi ar aris avireisebze 

embargos moxsna. ase rom, imedia, 

Tavze nacars ar daiyrian, miuxedavad 

imisa, rom lavrovi sul 

sxva donis diplomatia, zalkaliani 

ki _ sxva. saqarTveloSi 

zalkalianze maRali donis diplomatebi 

gvyavs. samwuxarod, isini, 

ZiriTadad, CamoSorebulebi 

arian namdvil diplomatias. 

_ opoziciuri partiebi aqtiurad 

saubrobdnen imaze, rom Sexvedraze 

sakiTxi araTu aviareise- 

bze embargos moxsnas exeboda, 

aramed _ 2020 wlis saparlamento 

arCevnebs. ramdenad realuri 

ggoniaT es versia? rogor Sei- 

Zleba gagrZeldes samomavlo per- 

speqtivaSi aRniSnuli Sexvedra? 

_ zalkaliani-lavrovis Sexvedraze 

ra konteqstSi unda yofiliyo 

2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebze 

saubari, simarTle giTxraT, 

ar vici, ver warmomidgenia. rac Seexeba, 

rogor SeiZleba gagrZeldes 

es Sexvedra samomavlo perspeqtivaSi, 

Tu am Sexvedraze saubrisas, 

lavrovis mxridan iyo damaimedebeli 

mesijebi, principSi, maSin Sei- 

Zleba kidev Sedges Sexvedra; magram 

Tu lavrovma Sexvedrisas is 

ilaparaka, rac gareT, maSin am Sexvedris 

gagrZelebis azrs ver vxedav. 

lavrovma Sexvedris Semdeg ganacxada, 

rom zalkalianis komentarebi 

ufro grZeli iyo, vidre 

Sexvedris xangrZlivoba, es imas ni- 

Snavs, rom mas zalkalianis komentarebi 

ar moewona. zalkalianma 

Tavi moiwona, rom lavrovs deokupaciaze 

velaparakeo, darwmunebuli 

var, sityva deokupacia ar 

uxsenebia da lavrovi, albaT, zalkalianis 

am komentarma gaabraza da 

swored amiT aixsneba lavrovis 

agdebuli komentarebi. lavrovis 

es agdebuli komentarebi ara mxolod 

zalkalianze, aramed qveynis 

imijzec moqmedebs uaryofiTad, 

radgan, samwuxarod, qveynis imiji 

yovelTvis mTavrobis imijzea mibmuli 

da Cveni qveyana, wesiT, amaze 

ukeTes mTavrobas imsaxurebs. 

_ zalkaliani-lavrovis Sexve- 

dris Semdeg saqarTvelos mesame 

prezidentma, mixeil saakaSvilma, 

xmauriani gancxadeba gaakeTa da 

Tqva, rom putini sabWoTa kavSi- 

ris aRsadgenad emzadeba da ukve 

2024 wlisTvis gegmavs. ramdenad 

seriozulad SeiZleba aRviqvaT 

da rogor fiqrobT, ras emsaxure- 

ba saakaSvilis es gancxadeba? 

_ saakaSvilma es gancxadeba 

ubralod, zalkaliani-lavrovis 

Sexvedras daamTxvia, aseT konteqstSi 

Tqva, rom moRalate „qarTuli 

ocnebis” mTavroba amaSia gareuli. 

putins rom sabWoTa kavSiris 

aRdgena unda, es ukve didi xania, 

viciT. ubralod, miSam Tqva, rom 

imitom Sexvda moRalate ivaniSvilis 

moRalate ministri zalkaliani 

lavrovs, rom es putinTan 

iyo SeTanxmebuli. rac Seexeba mi- 

Sas mier dasaxelebul TariRs, 

2024 wels, Tu „ocnebam” moigo, mesame 

vada iqneba. me mgoni, miSa 

swored amaze umiznebs da mgoni 

gulisxmobda, rom Tu „ocneba” darCeba, 

saqarTvelo ruseTs SeurTdeba. 

_ „qarTul ocnebas” xSirad 

prodasavluri opoziciuri par- 

tiebi ixsenieben, rogorc „rusul 

ocnebas”, Tqveni gadmosaxedidan 

atarebs Tu ara mizanmimarTulad 

„qarTuli ocneba” putinis inter- 

esebs? 

_ me ufro metad „qarTul ocnebas” 

orosnebis partiad aRviqvam, 

Tornike SaraSeniZe: 

`darwmunebuli 

var, zalkalians 

lavrovTan 

Sexvedraze sityva 

deokupacia 

ar uxsenebia~ 

romelmac qveyana aqamde miiyvana. 

darwmunebuli var, partiis SigniT 

viRacebi prorusulebi arian, Tumca 

viRacebi _ naklebad. mTavar 

problemad me imas vxedav, rom 

ivaniSvils morCili, arakompetenturi 

Semsruleblebi urCevnia ni- 

Wier Semsruleblebs. swored amitom 

mivida qveyana am mdgomareobamde. 

misTvis mTavari aris sakuTari 

Tavi da is, rom xelisuflebaSi 

darCes. Sesabamisad, yvelanairi 

saSualebiT cdilobs. 

_ qveynis SigniT mimdinare Te- 

mebsac SevexoT: gaxaria, romelzec 

ambobdiT, rom „ocnebaSi” yvelaze 

Zlieri menejeria, premier- 

ministri gaxda. rogor fiqrobT, 

misi meTaurobiT mTavroba radikalurad 

Secvlis Tu ara ukeTe- 

sobisken qveynis mdgomareobas? 

_ ar mgonia, rom ganaxlebulma 

mTavrobam qveynis sakeTildReod 

Secvalos rame. yvelaferi Zalian 

martivia, adamiani, romelic mar- 

Tavs qveyanas da „qarTul ocnebas”, 

mis gareSe araferi xdeba „ocneba- 

Si”, am etapze dainteresebulia ara 

imdenad imiT, rom qveyana gaZlierdes, 

aramed imiT, rom mesame vadiT 

darCes xelisuflebaSi. rac Seexeba 

gaxarias, ramdenad SeZlebs is 

mmarTveli gundisTvis Zalauflebis 

SenarCunebas, es mxolod erT 

kacze ar aris damokidebuli, davelodoT 

movlenebis ganviTarebas. 

unda aRvniSnoT isic, rom qveyana 

imdenad mankieri sistemiT imarTeba, 

araformaluri mmarTvelobis 

formas vgulisxmob, sruliad kanonzomierad 

uSveben xolme Secdomebs. 

ar aris gamoricxuli, ise- 

Ti Secdomebi dauSvan, araTu gaxariam, 

mamazeciermac ki ver uSvelos. 

_ mamuka xazaraZe ukve gamoCn- 

da politikur asparezze, man 

Tavi 

visi mesijebic gaaJRera da 

gundi warmoadgina. am mocemulo- 

biT ramdenad didi Sansebi aqvs 

xazaraZis politikur moZraobas? 

_ simarTle giTxraT, jerjerobiT, 

gansakuTrebul potencials 

xazaraZesTan dakavSirebiT ver 

vxedav, gamomdinare iqidan, rom 

misi gundi, maT Soris, umravlesoba, 

politikurad absoluturad 

gamoucdelia. TviTonac, xazara- 

Zem, kardiomesijebi, iseTi, romelic 

xalxis guls moigebs, jerjer- 

`lavrovis es agdebuli komentarebi 

ara mxolod zalkalianze, aramed 

qveynis imijzec moqmedebs uaryofiTad, 

radgan, samwuxarod, qveynis imiji 

yovelTvis mTavrobis imijzea mibmuli 

da Cveni qveyana, wesiT, amaze ukeTes 

mTavrobas imsaxurebs~ 

obiT, ver Camoayaliba. ase rom, am 

etapze, maincdamainc, optimisturad 

ganwyobili ar var. rac Seexeba 

imas, rom xazaraZes finansuri 

resursi aqvs, rodis dauZaxeben mas 

prokuraturaSi da rodis mouWeren 

xels, es ivaniSvilzea damokidebuli. 

ase rom, SeiZleba xazaraZes 

es fuli sul sxva raRacaSi daaxarjinon. 

am etapze, rogorc Cans, 

xazaraZe ivaniSvilisTvis realur 

safrTxes ar warmoadgens. 

_ opoziciurma partiebma aqti- 

urad daiwyes imaze saubari, rom 

proporciuli saarCevno sistemis 

pirobebSi „qarTuli ocneba” 

sateliti partiebiT ecdeba koaliciuri 

mTavrobis Camoyalibebas. 

satelit partiebSi moixse- 

nieben „patriotTa alianss”. 

rogor fiqrobT, ramdenad mzad 

arian prodasavluri partiebi imisTvis, 

rom „ocnebas” amis saSu- 

aleba ar miscen? 

_ prodasavlur partiebSi ise- 

Ti daqsaqsuloba da dapirispirebaa, 

rom kargad ver gavige, ra 

miznebi aqvT maT. am etapze, jerjerobiT, 

ver vxedav pozitiur 

Zvrebs. rac Seexeba mosazrebas, 

rom „qarTulma ocnebam” SesaZloa, 

sateliti partiebi daixmaros, 

sruliad logikuria, rom rogoric 

aris ZiZiguris „konservator- 

Ta partia” da a. S., maTTan gaake- 

Tos koalicia da Tqvas, rom evropuli 

demokratiaa da koaliciuri 

mTavroba gvaqvs. rac Seexeba „patriotTa 

alianss”, me igi satelitad 

ar mimaCnia, ufro gazviadebuli 

mgonia es ambavi. dRevandeli 

gadmosaxedidan ki, romelic, ra 

Tqma unda, SesaZloa Seicvalos, 

samwuxarod, igive realobis winaSe 

vdgavarT, rom administraciuli 

resursiT isev igebs „ocneba”, 

kidev mesame vadiT irCeva da igive 

grZeldeba. 

_ eqspertTa nawili fiqrobs, 

rom 2020 wels proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvla SesaZloa, ver 

moxerxdes, xmis micemisas SeiZle- 

ba, umravlesobas ar dauWiros 

mxari da sabolood, es ivaniSvi- 

lis satyuara aRmoCndes. ras 

fiqrobT amasTan dakavSirebiT? 

_ ise gaiwela es yvelaferi, rom 

gamoricxuli araferia. 

_ politologebi mudmivad 

saubrobdnen mesame Zalis gamoCe- 

nis aucileblobaze. Tu mamuka 

xazaraZis moZraobas mesame Zal- 

ad ar ganvixilavT, maSin aris Tu 

ara imis Sansi, rom realurad 

gamoCndes mesame Zala, romelic 

„qarTuli ocnebis” Canacvlebas 

da sadaveebis xelSi aRebas moax- 

erxebs? 

_ ver vxedav aseT Zalas, Zalian 

cota droa 2020 wlis saparlamento 

arCevnebamde darCenili. simarTle 

giTxraT, ver vxedav imis 

Sanss, rom mesame Zala gamoCndes. 

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qeTevan enuqiZis gverdi 


damoukidebeli saeqsperto moxseneba 

(b. nemcovi, v. milovi, v. riJkovi, 

o. Sorina) 

putinis mmarTvelobis 12-wleuli, 

metwilad, qveynisTvis or ukiduresad 

negatiur movlenasTan 

asocirdeba _ warmoudgenlad 

gazrdil TviTnebobasTan da korufciasTan. 

korufciis masStabiT ruseTi 

183 saxelmwifos Soris 143-e adgilzea. 

aseTi monacemebia warmodgenili 

gavleniani saerTaSoriso 

organizacia Transparency Internationalis 

mier 2011 wels Catarebuli kv- 

bamoa. es gansakuTrebiT cxadad 

Cans luJkov-baturinas ojaxis 

uprecedento gamdidrebis magaliTiTac. 

90-iani wlebis yvelaze 

gaxmaurebuli korufciuli skandali, 

sadac es ojaxi fugurirebda, 

dakavSirebuli iyo stadion 

„luJnikize” plastmasis skamebis 

dadgmasTan. tenderSi, romelic 

moskovis xelmZRvanelobam gamoacxada, 

meris meuRlem gaimarjva, 

Sesyidvis fasi _ 700 aTasi dolari. 

aman saocari skandali gamoiwvia. 

2008 wels Catarda tenderi 

cnobili skulptoris, vera muxinas, 

Zeglis, „muSa da kolmeurne”, 

putini da korufcia 

levis safuZvelze. ruseTis gverdiT 

gvxvdeba afrikis yvelaze 

CamorCenili qveynebi (togo, nigeria 

da uganda), aseve azerbaijani 

da belarusi. Transparency International-i 

ruseTs yvelaze korumpirebul 

saxelmwifod miiCnevs msoflios 

wamyvan saxelmwifoebs Soris, 

romelic „did oceulSi” Sedis. 

ruseTis kolegebi BRIC-idan (brazilia, 

ruseTi, indoeTi, CineTi) _ 

bevrad ukeTesad gamoiyurebian. 

mosazreba, rom ruseTSi korufciis 

afrikuli donea, didi xania, 

sruli mniSvnelobiT WeSmaritebas 

aRar Seesabameba. bevr afrikul 

saxelmwifoSi korufciis done 

ufro dabalia, vidre ruseTSi. 

egvipteSi mubaraqis korumpirebuli 

xelisuflebiT aRSfoTebuli 

asobiT aTasi moqalaqe gamovida 

quCaSi da mis gadadgomas miaRwia. 

amasTan, egvipteSi korufciis done 

bevrad dabalia, xolo qveyana, amave 

monacemebiT, 112-e adgilzea. mi- 

Ti imis Sesaxeb, rom putinma wesrigi 

daamyara, realobas ewinaaRmdegeba. 

korufciis aRqmis rusuli indeqsi, 

dawyebuli 1996 wlidan, anu 

elcinis meore saprezidento vadidan, 

metyvelebs Semdegze: elcinis 

mmarTvelobis bolo wlebSi indeqsis 

saSualo niSnulma Seadgina 

2,4. elcinis gadadgomis Semdeg, 

rodesac xelisuflebaSi putini 

movida, korufciasTan mimarTebiT 

viTareba umjobesdeboda. putinis 

prezidentobis pirvel wels indeqsma 

2,6-s miaRwia. amaze imoqmeda 

saxelmwifo aparatis ganaxlebam, 

sagadasaxado sistemis gamartivebam, 

administraciuli regulaciebis 

Sekvecam, licenziebisa da 

nebarTvebis raodenobam. 

Tumca, putinis meore vadidan 

dawyebuli, dRevandlamde, viTareba 

swrafad uaresdeboda. korufciis 

aRqmis indeqsi 2010 wels 2,6- 

dan rekordulad dabal _ 2,1 sididemde 

daeca. aseTi masStabis qurdoba 

da meqrTameoba ruseTma mTeli 

Tavisi istoriis ganmavlobaSi 

ar icis. xSirad putinis damcvelebi 

amtkiceben, rom umZimes 90- 

ianebSi korufcia dRevandelobaze 

naklebi ar iyo, magram faqtebi 

sapirispiros metyvelebs. Tu „rosstatis” 

monacemebSi korufciuli 

mimarTulebis danaSaulTa raodenobas 

vnaxavT, dinamika cxadia: 1990 

wels dafiqsirda 2700 SemTxveva, 

xolo 2009 wels _ 13 100 SemTxveva. 

korufciis masStabebi elcinisa 

da putinis dros sruliad Seusa- 

rekonstruqciisTvis. rogorc adre, 

amjeradac baturinam gaimarjva. 

fasma 100 milioni dolari Seadgina. 

da, rac mTavaria, amjerad 

faqts araviTari skandali da 

gamoZieba ar mohyolia. 

kidev erTi magaliTi: „mwerlebis 

saqme”. 1997 wels grandiozuli 

skandali gamoiwvia xelisuflebis 

zogierTi warmomadgenlis honorarma 

wignis privatizaciis Sesaxeb. 

honorarma 90 aTasi dolari 

Seadgina. skandalma ruseTi saxelisuflebo 

krizisamde miiyvana 

da 1998 wlis gazafxulze xelisufleba 

daiTxoves. cnobebi putinis 

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Cinovnikebis vilebis Sesaxeb, romelic 

aTobiT milioni dolari 

Rirs, aravis ainteresebs. es xalxi 

isev muSaobs. moskovis yofili 

vicemeris, v. resinis (romelsac 

arasdros umuSavia biznesis sferoSi) 

1 milion dolarad Sefasebuli 

saaTi aseve ar warmoadgens 

dRevandeli reJimisTvis safuZvels 

misi Tanamdebobidan CamoSorebisa 

da gamoZiebis dawyebisTvis. 

dRes korufciasTan mimarTebiT 

viTareba bevrad mZimea, vidre 

90-ianebSi. 

korufcia ruseTSi problemas 

aRar warmoadgens. es sistemaa, 

romelmac metastazebiT gadaajaWva 

qveynis ekonomikuri da socialuri 

cxovreba. 

yovelwliurma korufciulma 

brunvam qveyanaSi 300 miliardi 

dolari Seadgina, rac ruseTis 

wliur biujets utoldeba da mSps 

25%-s Seadgens. 

tarifebisa da fasebis zrda didwilad 

sxvadasxva rangis Cinovnikebisa 

da putinis monopoliebis 

korufciuli saqmianobis Sedegia. 

kikbeqi da ukontrolo flangva 

samuSaos Rirebulebis 50%-ze 

mets aRwevs. amitom Rirs „gazpromis” 

sistemaSi gazsadenebis mSenebloba 

samjer Zviri, vidre _ evropaSi. 

gazsadenebis gayvanasac axlavs 

qurdoba da aTobiT miliardi 

rublis kikbeqi. sacxovrebeli saxlebis 

mSeneblobis TviTRirebulebaSi 

qrTami 30%-s Seadgens. 

aSkaraa, rom monopoliebis sistematurad 

mzardi xarjebis dasafarad 

mudmivad zrdian tarifebs 

gazze, siTboze, eleqtroenergiaze. 

izrdeba fasebic. putinis „saxelisuflebo 

vertikalis” korufciisa 

da qurdobisTvis ruseTis 

yvela moqalaqes uwevs gadaxda. 

putinis sitemisTvis damaxasiaTebelia 

Cinovnikebisa da biznesis 

daufaravi da yovlismomcveli 

urTierTSezrda; naTesavebis, megobrebis, 

nacnobebis monawileoba 

sabiujeto saxsrebisa da saxelmwifos 

sakuTrebis aTvisebaSi; xelisuflebis 

ucvleloba da misi 

funqcionirebis daxSuloba. 

ukiduresad cud rols asrulebs 

cenzura masobrivi informaciis 

saSualebebSi, parlamentarizmis 

faqtobrivi ganadgureba. 

parlamentis aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaze 

kontrolis ararseboba 

gamravlebuli korufciuli 

saqmianobis Jurnalisturi gamo- 

Ziebis ararsebobaze, korufciuli 

ganukiTxaobisTvis SesaniSnav 

niadgs qmnis. 

korufciam SeWama da gaanadgura 

samarTaldamcveli sistema. miliciis 

bevri xelmZRvanelisTvis 

umTavresi prioriteti piradi gamdidrebaa. 

terorTan da moqalaqeebis 

usafrTxoebasTan brZola maT 

prioritetebSi ar Sedis. 

Cinovnikuri vertikalis reJimma 

gaanadgura damoukidebeli sasamarTloc. 

administraciulma zewolam 

sasamarTlos sistema uunaro 

da korumpirebul xelisuflebaze 

absoluturad damokidebuli 

gaxada. korufcias amZafrebs mmar- 

Tvelobis mTavari putiniseuli 

principi: „megobrebs yvelaferi, 

danarCens _ ganukiTxaoba”. kanonis 

dacva, samarTlianoba putinis Cinovnikebis 

valdebulebas ar warmoadgens. 

mTavaria piradi loialoba. 

„loialuri xar _ iqurde, ar 

xar loialuri _ Cajdebi”, _ es 

ruseTis dRevandeli xelisuflebis 

kidev erTi principia. 

d. medvedevma Tavisi moRvaweoba 

korufciis winaaRmdeg brZolis 

komisiis SeqmniT daiwyo, romelsac 

Tavad xelmZRvanelobda. Tumca 

gamocxadebuli antikorufciuli 

brZolis Sedegi nulia, uaryofi- 

Ti Tu ara. reJimi mkacrad dgas korumpirebulebis 

interesebis sadarajoze. 

uzenaesi sasamarTlos 

Tavmjdomaris, v. lebedevis, monacemebiT, 

korufciuli saqmeebis 

(qveynis masStabiT, 10 aTasi saqme) 

ganxilvebis Sedegad, braldebul- 

Ta 65%-ma mxolod pirobiTi sasjeli 

miiRo. amgvarad, mafiozur 

sistemaSi korumpirebul Cinovnikebs 

seriozuli sasjelisgan imuniteti 

icavs. 

msoflioSi bevri qveyanaa, sadac 

korufcias warmatebiT amarcxeben. 

warmatebuli brZolis 

naTeli magaliTebi gvaqvs norvegiaSi, 

germaniaSi, italiaSi, espaneTSi, 

aSS-sa da singapurSi. ukanaskneli 

warmatebuli magaliTia 

saqarTvelo. singapurSi saocrebis 

Semoqmedma, li kuan ium, romelmac 

SeZlo korufciis aRmofxvra 

da fantastikur Sedegebs miaRwia 

ekonomikaSi, korufciis problemis 

gadawyvetis sami mTavari principi 

gamoyo: 

1. sufTa centraluri xelisufleba; 

2. upirobo sasjeli; 

3. kargi anazRaureba gaweuli 

samsaxurisTvis da saxelmwifos 

moxeleebis patiosani Sromis stimulireba. 

am principebidan Tanamedrove 

ruseTSi arc erTi ar moqmedebs. 

Cven darwmunebuli varT, rom patiosani 

centraluri xelisuflebis 

gareSe korufciis problema 

ar mogvardeba. Tevzi Tavidan 

yars. da sanam qveynis saTaveSi pirad 

gamdidrebaze orientirebuli 

kleptokratia dgas, problemis 

gadaWra ar moxerxdeba. swored 

amitom mocemul moxsenebaSi Cven 

ar SevexebiT korufciis yvela aspeqts 

da yuradRebas gavamaxvilebT 

mxolod viTarebaze xelisuflebis 

umaRles eSelonebSi. 

Cven moviyvanT ruseTis xelisuflebis 

umaRlesi eSelonebis uprecedento 

korucfiis magaliTebs. 

giambobT imis Sesaxeb, Tu 

rogor gadaiqcnen putinis megobrebi, 

saagarako kooperativ 

„tbis” arafriT gamorCeuli mewarmeebi 

miliarderebad; giambobT, 

rogor daikaves putinis megobrebma 

ssrk-s suk-idan mniSvnelovani 

postebi xelisuflebaSi biznesSi 

da zRaprulad gamdidrdnen; 

giambobT, rogor aRmoCndnen 

saxelmwifo aparatSi, „gazpromsa” 

da saxelmwifo kompaniebSi putinis 

TanamSromlebi sankt-peterburgis 

meriidan; 

giambobT, rogor aRmoCndnen 

„Cekistebis” Svilebi da putinis 

kolegebi, aseve misi naTesavebi 

Tbil adgilebze; 

giambobT maT cxovrebasa da 

moRvaweobaze warmoudgneli fufunebis 

pirobebSi da imaze, Tu 

rogor aris es pirobebi Seqmnili 

rusi moqalaqeebis xarjze. 

dabolos, daskvniT TavSi, SemogTavazebT 

antikorufciuli 

moqmedebis konkretul gegmas. 

vacnobierebT, rom korufciis 

sruli aRmofxvra SeuZlebelia, 

magram misi masStabebis Semcireba 

gvinea-bisaus donidan Tundac aRmosavleT 

evropis qveynebisa da 

saqarTvelos donemde, sruliad 

realisturi da aucilebelia qveynis 

ganviTarebisTvis. 

am problemis mogvarebis gareSe 

ruseTi ganwirulia maradiuli 

CamorCenilobisTvis, maradiuli 

siRaribisTvis da Tavisi moqalqeebis 

maradiuli uuflebobisTvis. 

gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi 

13


`nacionalur moZraobasa~ da 

„erTiani saqarTvelo _ demo- 


kratiuli moZraobis” erT-erTi 

lideri, gigla baramiZe, „ocnebis” 

mimdevari arasodes yofila, magram imaze, rasac mmarTve- 

li gundi bolo dros akeTebs, Cvens respondents Zalian mZaf- 

ri reaqcia aqvs. metic, baramiZe, romelic „nacionalebis” 

mmarTvelobis dros represirebuli iyo da qveynis datovebac 

mouwia, pirdapir ambobs, rom Zalian bevr rameSi „nacio- 

naluri moZraobis” wevrebi „ocnebis” warmomadgenlebze 

ukeTesad gamoiyurebian. 

amas garda, baramiZe acxadebs, 

rom „ocneba” politikuri par- 

tia ki ara, erTi kacis garSemo 

gaerTianebuli 

dajgufebaa, 

romlis wevrebmac piradi oc- 

nebebi aixdines da axlac imas 

cdiloben, rom 2020-is saarCe- 

vno siaSi moxvdnen da „mzis”, anu 

ivaniSvilis orbitaze adgili 

SeinarCunon. swored amiT xsnis 

Cveni respondenti „ocnebis” 

moqmed da yofil wevrebs Soris 

dawyebul dapirispirebas da arc 

imis Tqmas erideba, rom igive eka 

beselias sazogadoebisgan ufro 

meti mxardaWera eqneboda, zard- 

iaSvilebisa da Tu sxvebis 

winaaRmdeg Tavis droze rom ae- 

maRlebina xma. sxvaTa Soris, gig- 

la baramiZe „tkbil sityvebs” 

arc salome zurabiSvilis misamarTiT 

iSurebs da mas „matro- 

nas”, aseve „piradi gandidebiT 

Sepyrobils” uwodebs. 

erTi sityviT, ra biznesi aqvT 

„nacmoZraobasa” da „ocnebas”? _ 

amis Sesaxeb gigla baramiZis sakmaod 

mwvave interviudan Seity- 

obT! 

_ batono gigla, cxadia, 

saubari gasuli politikuri 

kviris mTavari skandaliT unda 

daviwyoT _ eka beseliam vano 

zardiaSvils sila gaawna! Tqven, 

rogorc gare damkvirvebeli, 

yvelafer amas rogor xsniT, ra 

viTarebaa, „ocneba” aqamde ra- 

tom mivida? 

_ ki ar mivida, daeca da daxoxda! 

saerTod, „qarTul ocnebas”, 

rogorc politikur organizacias, 

karga xania, saxe aqvs 

dakarguli. metic: yvelam Zalian 

kargad icis, iq adamianebi ris da 

vis garSemoc arian gaerTianebulni. 

ubralod, am adamianebis 

krebulma „qarTuli ocneba” 

dairqva, Torem, sinamdvileSi, 

saqarTvelos saocnebo veraferi 

gaukeTa, anu am gaerTianebis Ti- 

Toeulma wevrma sakuTari piradi 

ocnebebi aisrula da qveyana 

arc axsovs! 

ise, is, rac parlamentSi moxda, 

umZimesi SemTxveva iyo, magram 

gana, dRe ise gava, rom „qarTuli 

ocnebis” wevrebma _ qalebma Tu 

kacebma _ erTmaneTi samarcxvinod 

ar daWamon da erTmaneTs yvelanairi 

sibinZure ar wamoaZaxon? 

mokled, is, rac moxda, ar gamkvirvebia, 

Tumca mamakacebis qceva, 

komitetis Tavmjdomaris 

iqednuri sisini da zardiaSvilis 

gatrunva saocrad damamcirebeli 

da Semarcxveneli iyo. 

simarTle rom vTqvaT, beseliac 

cud mdgomareobaSi iyo. 

zogadad, mandilosnis mimarT 

aseTi qceva sworad ar mimaCnia, 

Tumca gamarTlebuli arc isaa, 

rac mandilosanma gaakeTa, magram 

es ukve „ocnebis”, anu seqtadqceuli 

jgufis klasikaa _ imas 

aCenen, rac sinamdvileSi arian! 

2020 wlamde bevri dro ar aris 

darCenili da naxavT, kidev ras 

izamen da Caidenen! 

_ ambobT, rom ocnebelebs 

ivaniSvilis fuli aerTianebT. 

aba, erTmaneTs ratomRa Wamen? 

ar urCevniaT, mSvidad iyvnen da 

im „brZeni kacis” fuli Seirgon? 

_ imitom Wamen, rom yvelas 

unda, Tbilad iyos! beselia 

TiTqos mosamarTleebis gamo 

daupirispirda, magram, mTlianobaSi, 

am adamianTan Tbil adgils 

eZeben. 

_ „am adamianSi” ivaniSvils 

gulisxmobT, ara? 

_ diax. undaT, rom siaSi isev 

„Cajdnen”, sasaxleebi aiSenon, 

SeRavaTiani kreditebi aiRon da 

simdidre daagrovon, anu isev 

Cveulebrivi muqTaxorebi iyvnen. 

imaze aRarafers vambob, rom 

sruli politikuri araraobebi 

arian! Sesabamisad, maTgan erTmaneTis 

arc dedis erTi adgilis 

gineba mikvirs, arc _ Tmebis wewva 

da arc _ wivil-kivili! 

sxvaTa Soris, is droc kargad 

maxsovs, erTmaneTTan Zalian 

gadaxveulebi rom iyvnen da Jurnalistebs 

momabezrebeli toniT 

gelaparakebodnen, nu SegvawuxeTo, 

magram axla situacia 

Seicvala da ukve erTmaneTs ise 

Wamen, rogorc _ virTxebi! xom 

gaxsovT, „daTa TuTaSxiaSi” kaci- 

Wamia virTxebi rom gamoiyvanes? 

_ diax, amis daviwyeba rogor 

SeiZleba! 

_ ai, ase gamohyavs erTmaneTisWamia 

deputatebi maT 

ufross! es aris da es! 

_ Tqvens mosazrebaSi logi- 

ka, ra Tqma unda, aris, magram 

erTmaneTis Wamis garda, vfiqrob, 

ufro mniSvnelovani prob- 

lemac iCens Tavs, anu „ocneba” 

erTi xeliT „nacionalur moZr- 

aobas” ebrZvis da, miuxedavad 

imisa, rom ukve Svidi welia, xelisuflebaSia, 

yvelafers „na- 

cebs” abralebs, meore xeliT ki 

igive „nacionalebs” „apravebs” _ 

sxva Tu araferi, zardiaSvili, 

rogorc amboben, yofili „naci- 

onalia”. hoda, ra gamodis _ „oc- 

neba” xalxs TvalSi nacars ayr- 

is? 

_ diax, „ocnebis” mizania, rom 

xalxs TvalSi nacari Seayaros. 

_ ratom? 

_ albaT, gaxsovT „ocnebis” 

Tavmjdomaris fraza, romelic 

ramdenime wlis win Tqva. 

_ romeli fraza? 

_ Sua unda gaikrifoso, anu 

„nacionaluri moZraoba” safrTxobelasaviTaa 

datovebuli, raTa 

misi SiSiT xalxma arCevani isev 

„ocnebaze” gaakeTos, magram es 

„triuki” aRar Wris! ise, Tu daakvirdebiT, 

me da Cems kolegebs 

televiziebi didad ar gvanebivreben. 

_ es im TemasTan, razec 

vsaubrobT, ra kavSirSia, batono 

gigla? 

_ ician, rom Cven bevr sakiTx- 

Si marTlebi varT da, sxva politikosebis 

msgavsad, poziciebs ar 

vicvliT! 

amas garda, „nacebis” mimarT 

Cemi uaryofiTi damokidebulebac 

cnobilia, magram xSirad „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” zogierTi 

warmomadgeneli ufro simpaTiurad 

gamoiyureba, vidre „ocneb- 

gigla baramiZe: 

àm `matronam~, 

saqarTvelos 

prezidents rom 

uwodebs Tavs, 

uamravi sisulele 

Caidina!~ 

is” esa Tu is gaugebari wevri. 

iciT, ra xdeba? _ „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” axlandel Tu 

yofil warmomadgenlebs, magaliTad, 

bokerias Tavisi xedvebi 

mainc aqvs, anu imaze ki ar vsaubrob, 

es xedva kargia Tu cudi 

an adre ras da rogor akeTebda, 

xazs imas vusvam, rom principebi 

aqvs. „ocnebas” ki araferi gaaCnia! 

mis wevrebs mxolod is undaT, 

rom kargad iyvnen da meti 

araferi ainteresebT _ saqarTvelo 

da xalxi wyalsac wauRia! 

swored amis dasturia, rom 

ver Cerdebian da mejvareebsa Tu 

naTesavebs sajarod ras aRar aZaxeben! 

mainteresebs, deputatebs 

fuls amisTvis vuxdiT? 

_ cxadia, ara! ise, seqsistur 

gancxadebad Tu ar CamiTvlian, 

vityvi, rom pirvelad moxda, 

roca parlamentSi muSti-krivi 

qalma gamarTa. mokled, batono 

gigla, mainc ver gavige, „ocne- 

`mamakacebis qceva, komitetis Tavmjdomaris 

iqednuri sisini da zardiaSvilis gatrunva 

saocrad damamcirebeli da Semarcxveneli iyo. 

simarTle rom vTqvaT, beseliac cud 

mdgomareobaSi iyo. zogadad, mandilosnis 

mimarT aseTi qceva sworad ar mimaCnia, Tumca 

gamarTlebuli arc isaa, rac mandilosanma 

gaakeTa, magram es ukve òcnebis~, anu 

seqtadqceuli jgufis klasikaa - imas aCenen, 

rac sinamdvileSi arian!~ 

ba” uzenaesi sasamarTlos uvado 

mosamarTleobis im kandidatebs, 

romlebic arcTu Soreul war- 

sulSi mgznebare „nacionalebi” 

iyvnen, ase Tavgadakluli ratom 

icavs? 

_ es is mosamarTleebi arian, 

romlebsac wasasvleli arsad 

aqvT da sisxliani saqmeebis gaTe- 

Treba, jer kidev wina xelisuflebis 

dros, mZime tvirTad awevT! 

Sesabamisad, faruli garigeba 

moxda, yvelafers gapatiebT 

da ar SegexebiT, magram Tu 

dagvWirdeba, kidev ufro bin- 

Zurad unda imuSaoTo. 

_ anu faruli garigeba „oc- 

nebasa” da am mosamarTleebs 

Soris moxda? 

_ diax. es mosamarTleebi nebismier 

SekveTas Seasruleben da 

bolo wlebSi amis uamravi magaliTi 

vnaxeT. 

_ konkretulad? 

_ Tundac is, rom gayalbebuli 

arCevnebis dros saarCevno 

urnebs ar xsnidnen. 

saerTod, asea: binZur reJimebs 

binZuri adamianebi sWirdeba, anu 

„xeli xels hbans” principiT moqmedeben 

da „ocneba” am mosamarTleebs 

amitomac aris Cafrenili! 

sxvaTa Soris, amas winaT vTqvi 

da axlac gavimeoreb: mosamarTleobas 

medroveni Cemuloben, 

samarTlianobaze ki damnaSaveni 

laparakoben! ai, es aris „ocnebis” 

sruli absurdisa da kohabitaciis 

klasikuri niSani! 

erTi sityviT, dRes „qarTul 

ocnebas” ise aravin sWirdeba, 

rogorc „nacionalur reJimze” 

momuSave gamTeTrebeli mosamarTleebi! 

maTzec gadafofrili 

amitomacaa! 

_ ise, beselia, SesaZloa, simarTles 

ambobs, roca zardiaSvils 

„adeiSvilis Ramis morig- 

es” eZaxis, magram gana, maSin ar 

unda amoeRo xma, roca zardiaS- 

vili „ocnebis” siaSi naxa, Semdeg 

ki, rogorc iuridiuli komite- 

tis Tavmjdomares, moadgiled 

dauniSnes? 

_ saqmec swored es aris _ beselias 

pozicia bevrad myari 

iqneboda, yvelaferi is, rasac 

axla ambobs, Tavis droze rom 

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`qarTul ocnebas~ Soris sxvaoba ar aris!~ 

eTqva! aqamde ratom ar laparakobda? 

maTikaSvilebi, oxanaSvilebi, 

kilaZeebi Tu zardiaSvilebi 

gverdiT esxdnen da wina 

parlamentSi, Sobaze, TeTr 

tanisamossa da fexsacmelSi 

gamowyobilebi saCuqrebs erTad 

ar arigebdnen? 

zogadad, aseTi rameebi „ocnebisTvis” 

damaxasiaTebelia _ 

Tuki vinme „nacionalur moZraobaSi” 

iyo, axla yvela „ocnebaSia” 

portirebuli! mokled, maTi 

qmedebebi maincdamainc damajerebeli 

araa da amitomac sazogadoeba 

yvelafer amas gulaRreniT, 

cinikurad da niSnismogebiT 

uyurebs, erTmaneTic dagiWamia- 

To! 

yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare, 

Cemi politikuri Zala ambobda da 

axlac ambobs: „nacionalur moZraobasa” 

da „qarTul ocnebas” 

Soris sxvaoba ar aris! magaT 

erTi biznesi aqvT. 

_ anu? 

_ erTmaneTi rogorme acocxlon, 

morCa da gaTavda! 

_ hoda, am realobidan gamomdinare, 

Tqveni partiis reitin- 

gi xom unda gaizardos, anu ras 

akeTebT saimisod, rom es mocemu 

muloba saTqvenod gamoiyenoT? 

_ kanonis, wesierebisa da 

Rirsebis farglebSi yvelafers 

vakeTebT! 

_ mainc? 

_ ar vici, „endiai” da „airai” 

ra gamokiTxvebs atarebs, magram 

Cveni politikuri Zalis avtoriteti 

yoveldRe izrdeba _ ver 

warmoidgenT, ramdeni adamiani 

modis, vinc mxolod Tanadgomas 

ki ar gvicxadebs, aramed partia- 

Si wevriandeba da erT-erT stambaSi 

partiis wevrobis aseulobiT 

wignaks vbeWdavT! 

ar ifiqroT, rom vtrabaxob. 

miuxedavad imisa, rom isev didi 

zewolis qveS varT da ufinansobasac 

ganvicdiT, yvelaferi is, 

rasac vambob, arCevnebze gamoCndeba! 

mokled, Cven Cvens principebs 

ar vRalatobT da arc amomrCevels 

vatyuebT! SeiZleba, vinmes 

Cveni pozicia moswons an ara, magram 

xom gamoCnda, rom is, rasac 

2012 wels vambobdiT, marTali 

yofila? 

_ gamaxseneT, ras ambobdiT? 

_ aucilebelia, rom saqarTvelos 

sagareo kuTxiT kontaqti 

yvelasTan hqondes, magram es 

prorusoba ar aris! 

_ aba, ra aris? 

_ RmerTma qnas, 2020 wlis 

arCevnebamde vinmem rame provokacia 

ar moawyos da sisxli ar 

daiRvaros... 

_ anu sisxlisRvras elodeb- 

iT, batono gigla? 

_ ara. gvinda, rom 2020 wlis 

arCevnebamde konstituciuri 

gziT mivideT da imedi gvaqvs, 

rom es ori Zala Seicvleba! 

ise, aTasi provokaciaa Sesa- 

Zlebeli da bevrs unda, rom 

situacia airios. 

_ situaciis areva „ocneba- 

sac” awyobs da „nacmoZrao- 

`nacionalebisgan~ gansxvavebiT òcneba~ spontanurad cocxlobs, anu mkveTri 

strategia ar aqvs SemuSavebuli - meocnebeebi uniWo da araprofesional 

mexanZreebs hgvanan: Tu sadme cecxli gaCndeba, spontanurad gavardebian da 

Caaqroben! ai, òcnebas~ Tavi ase gaaqvs da Tavidan bolomde im erTaderT 

adamianzea Camokonwialebuli! im kacis iqiT òcneba~ Cveulebrivi araraobaa!~ 

basac”? 

_ SesaZlebelia, Tumca amis 

Tqma Znelia. 

sxvaTa Soris, „nacionalebisgan” 

gansxvavebiT „ocneba” spontanurad 

cocxlobs, anu mkveTri 

strategia ar aqvs SemuSavebuli 

_ meocnebeebi uniWo da araprofesional 

mexanZreebs hgvanan: Tu 

sadme cecxli gaCndeba, spontanurad 

gavardebian da Caaqroben! 

ai, „ocnebas” Tavi ase gaaqvs da 

Tavidan bolomde im erTaderT 

damianzea Camokonwialebuli! im 

kacis iqiT „ocneba” Cveulebrivi 

araraobaa! 

_ 2020-is arCevnebi aqamde 

Catarebuli yvela arCevnebisgan 

gansxvavebuli Tundac imitom 

iqneba, rom proporciuli siste- 

miT unda Catardes. amas garda, 

saarCevno blokebis Seqmnac 

ikrZaleba. hoda, ras apirebT, 

batono gigla, xom ar unda 

velodoT, rom Tqvens saxelze 

uars ityviT da romelime sxva 

partias SeerwymebiT? 

_ ara! ise, Zalian kargia, rom 

saarCevno blokebi aRar iqneba _ 

partias Tu Tavi aqvs, arCevnebze 

marto unda gamovides! ublokoba 

erTgvari lakmusis qaRaldi 

iqneba, anu partia, romelic 12 

aTasze met xmas ver moagrovebs, 

partia ar aris! 

mokled, Cven vapirebT, rom 

2020 wlis arCevnebSi Zalian didi 

raodenobiT xma aviRoT, danar- 

Cenze ki parlamentSi Sesvlis Semdeg 

vilaparakoT! „evropul saqarTvelos” 

vin ekiTxeba, arCevnebis 

Semdeg koaliciaSi vin visTan 

iqneba? amas Tavi rom davaneboT, 

vis gaugia, jer arCevnebi ar Catarebula 

da koaliciaze ilaparako? 

mokled, arCevnebis Semdeg 

gadawydeba, vinmesTan koalicia- 

Si viqnebiT Tu ara. am etapze ki 

ambicia gvaqvs, parlamentSi sami 

da oTxi ki ara, TxuTmeti da meti 

adamiani gvyavdes! diax, dadga 

dro da sazogadoebac xedavs, 

visTan aqvs saqme, anu principi _ 

an „ocneba”, an „nacmoZraoba” _ 

aRar muSaobs da es prezidentis 

daniSvnamac Zalian kargad gamoaCina. 

_ prezidenti ki ar daniSnes, 

avirCieT, batono gigla! 

_ sadme gagigiaT, mmarTvel 

partias amdeni premieri da ori 

prezidenti Seecvalos da Tan 

ambobdes, Secdomebi davuSvio? 

ai, am partias rogor unda vendoT? 

„ocneba” Tavad ambobs, margvelaSvilma 

ar gaamarTlao. an 

is sadme ginaxavT, plakatze prezidentobis 

kandidatis gvari eweros 

da sxva adamianebis, kerZod, 

mamakacebis fotoebi iyos gakruli? 

mokled, dainteresebuli 

iyvnen, rom zurabiSvili prezidentad 

daeniSnaT, magram am „matronam”, 

saqarTvelos prezidents 

rom uwodebs Tavs, uamravi 

sisulele Caidina da „ocneba” 

axla ambobs, SegveSala, ar mogvwonso. 

„ocnebis” zogierTma warmomadgenelma 

impiCentic ki moiTxova! 

erTi sityviT, „ocneba” Tanmimdevruli 

araferSi araa da amitom 

misi ndoba ar SeiZleba! Seabamisad, 

muSti-krivs, furTxebas, 

aberkotebsa da galawuneba-gamolawunebas 

kidev unda velodoT! 

_ mokled, Tu parlamentSi 

soliduri 

warmomadgenloba 

eyoleba, „erTiani saqarTvelo _ 

demokratiuli moZraoba” Sesa- 

Zloa, imaze wavides, rom 

mTavroba „ocnebasTan” erTad 

daakompleqtos? 

_ amas ver vityvi. 

_ ratom ver ityviT? 

_ politikosisgan amis Tqma 

axla swori ar iqneba! gaaCnia, 

„ocnebaSi” vin iqneba an ratom, 

maincdamainc, „ocneba”? ise, am 

etapze koaliciuri mTavroba 

aucilebelia, radgan aseTi 

sakraluri da sabediswero Secdomebi 

aRar davuSvaT! 

_ sabediswero Secdomad ras 

miiCnevT? 

_ yvelafers, garejidan dawyebuli, 

borderizaciiT 

damTavrebuli! 

_ batono gigla, Tu salome 

zurabiSvilis impiCmenti mmar- 

Tveli gundis iniciativiT daiwyeba, 

amiT „ocneba” e. w. margvelaSvilis 

scenars mZafri for- 

miT gaiTamaSebs, anu xalxs 

etyvis, me ra SuaSi var, es qali 

„ocnebis” wevric ki ar ariso? 

_ amaT amis Tavi ar aqvT! 

_ ratom ar aqvT? 

_ oci kaci rom Seikribeba, 

aRar ician, vin romel soroSi 

SeZvres. mokled, imis Tqma minda, 

rom zurabiSvilis impiCments ver 

gabedaven, radgan ician, rom 

`RmerTma qnas, 2020 wlis arCevnebamde 

vinmem rame provokacia ar moawyos da 

sisxli ar daiRvaros!~ 

mTlianad gabiTurdebian! 

ise, weRan bilbordi tyuilad 

ar vaxsene _ impiCmentis SemTxvevaSi 

kalaZem an kobaxiZem ivaniSvils 

ra unda uTxras? ramdenic 

unda iZaxon, zurabiSvili „ocnebis” 

wevri ar ariso, faqtia, rom 

Tavis droze am qalisTvis yvelaferi 

gadaibdRvnes da ar gamova, 

rom axla gauSvan! 

sxvaTa Soris, aSS-is prezidentTan 

miRebaze gadaRebuli am 

qalis foto rom vnaxe, guls Semomeyara! 

_ ratom? 

_ mets arafers vityvi! 

_ ise, Tqveni azriT, zurabiS- 

vili imas, rasac akeTebs, ratom 

akeTebs? 

_ amis mizezi sijiute, araprofesionalizmi 

da sakuTari Tavis 

gandidebis kompleqsia! albaT, 

uTxres, Sen diskreaciuli ufleba 

gaqvso, magram is ar uTxres, 

diskreaciul uflebas rom gamoiyenebs, 

es unda axsnas da sazogadoebas 

daelaparakos. amas 

ver xvdeba _ sakuTar Tavze Seyvarebuli 

da gadareulia! 

gaiZaxis, evropeli varo, magram 

evropis romeli qveynis prezidenti 

unaxavs, Jurnalistebs 

zurgi Seaqcios da uTxras, _ ar 

minda da kiTxvebze ar gipasuxebTo? 

mokled, am qalisgan yvelaferia 

mosalodneli. miT 

umetes, rom politikurad absoluturad 

uvicia! 

_ batono gigla, gamoricxavT, 

rom igive Sewyalebis skandalSi 

korufciis elementebi iyos? 

_ ara, rogor unda gamovricxo? 

is axalgazrdebi ar 

Seiwyala, romlebic mobiluri 

telefonis an jarTis qurdobaze 

ixdian sasjels da am dros 

mkvlelebs da narkobarigebs iwyalebs? 

ra, es adamianebi lamazi 

TvalebisTvis Seiwyala? SeiZleba, 

korufcia iyo, magram amas 

„ocneba” gamoiZiebs? 

_ e. i., uSvebT albaTobas, rom 

prokuraturaSi gamokiTxvaze 

zurabiSvilic daibaron? 

_ prezidentebi gamokiTxvaze 

Cvenze ufri Zlier qveynebSic 

daubarebiaT, magram es dabareba 

xalxis Tvalis asaxvevad iqneba 

da meti araferi! 

mokled, darwmunebuli var, 

rom „ocneba” zurabiSvilis impiCmentis 

sakiTxs ar ki ara, ver 

daayenebs da yvelaferi ise iqneba, 

rogorc maTi batoni ityvis! 

_ am viTarebidan gamosavals 

sad xedavT, batono gigla? 

_ sazogadoeba, romelic uRirs 

xelisuflebas irCevs, am 

uRirsobis Tanamonawile xdeba. 

amitomac, Zvirfaso megobrebo, 

gamixardeba, rom Cvens politikur 

Zalas dauWiroT mxari, 

magram aqve mogiwodebT, rom im 

sakenks, romelsac „qarTuli ocneba” 

yris, nuRar wamoegebiT! 

„ocnebisa” da „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” garda bevri Rirseuli 

partiaa da swored maT mieciT 

xma! merwmuneT, aseT SemTxvevaSi 

parlamenti qveynisTvis Zalian 

bevr karg saqmes gaakeTebs! 

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ratom ar daniSnavs biZina 

rezo SatakiSvili 

597 94 42 50 

„qronika+~ „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” erT-erT liders, 

petre ciskariSvils esaubreba: 

_ axal premiers surs, „gavrilovis 

Ramis” nacvlad SemogvTavazos 

kliSe _ gavrilovis 

dRe da parlamentze Sturmis 

Rame, magram isrebis gada- 

tana ar gamosdis. „endiais” 

kvlevamac aCvena, melias gamo- 

kiTxulTa 0% akisrebs im Ram- 

eze pasuxismgeblobas. faqtia, 

rom sazogadoebam araferi 

Wama xelisuflebis propagan- 

didan. 

_ sinamdvileSi, „gavrilovis 

dRec” iyo da _ „gavrilovis 

Ramec”. ratomRac, yvelas aviwydeba, 

rom gavrilovis aq SemoSvebaze 

maSindeli Ss ministri 

da axla premierad dasmuli 

gaxariac iyo pasuxismgebeli, 

marto qucnaSvils rom gadaalewes 

joxi. Sinagan saqmeTa 

saministromac da ministrmac 

kargad icodnen, ra kalibrisa 

da ra antiqarTuli ganwyobebis, 

saqarTvelos moZule da separatistebis 

mxardamWeri rusi 

deputatic Semodioda saqarTveloSi. 

bolo 7 wlis ganmavlobaSi 

Cveni qveynis, rogorc organizmis, 

imuniteti isea daqveiTebuli, 

rom gavrilovisnair 

infeqciebsac ver eubnebian 

uars saqarTveloSi Semosvlaze. 

metic, vfiqrob, rom isini 

iribad axaliseben kidec am 

process, _ ivaniSvili, gaxaria, 

visac uSualo kavSiri aqvs rusebTan, 

„aCotebs” abareben, rom 

xalxi maT mtrad aRar aRiqvams, 

rom sazogadoeba Semzadebulia 

qveyanaSi ruseTis infiltraciisTvis, 

rom gavrilovis aq Semosvla 

da spikeris savarZelSi 

misi wamoskupeba aranair problemas 

ar Seqmnis, magram piriqiT 

moxda. 

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, Tu magas 

ar eubnebian, faqtia, ar gaafrTxiles, 

rom misi aq Camosvla 

vnebaTaRelvas gamoiwvev- 

da da ar urCies TavSekaveba. 

_ magas veRar uebnebian, eg 

rom uTxran, ivaniSvili pasuxs 

miiRebs, mand rom gvizixar 7 

welia, Cveno jigaro biZo, ras 

gvikeTeb, Tu erTi deputatis 

Camosvlac problemaao? esenic 

koWs ugorebdnen rusebs da 

arwmunebdnen, rom aq yvelaferi 

kargadaa, situacia Semzadebulia. 

aRmoCnda, rom es ase araa 

da amitomac moxvdaT yuris 

ZirSi putinisgan. da esenic akrusundnen 

da umtkiceben, rom 

Cven araferSi varT damnaSave, 

bolomde fexqveS gegebiT, yvelafers 

vakeTebT, gavrilovic 

SemovuSviT, spikeris skamSic 

CavsviT, sxdomac gvindoda, rom 

waeyvana, magram gamovarda es 

opozicia, saakaSvilis xalxi da 

dagvamxes Tavze yvelaferi. Tu 

gaxsovT, rusuli presac swored 

magas werda... eseni Tavs imarTlebdnen 

putinTan, magram 

TviTon putinic problemis winaSe 

aRmoCnda Tavisi xalxis winaSe. 

ivaniSvili wlebia, ruseTs 

ajerebs, rom saakaSvilis mere 

saqarTvelo jibeSi Caido, aq 

Tavisebi uzis mTavrobaSi, rom 

aq maT okupantad, mtrad aRaravin 

aRiqvams, yvelas gveferebian, 

rom yvela medasavleTe CaaCumes, 

rac saakaSvili moiSores, 

rom qarTveli xalxi maTkenaa 

da am dros 140-ma milionma 

ruseTis moqalaqem televiziiT 

naxa, rac moyva erTi rusi 

deputatis parlamentSi Sesvlas. 

amitomac putini iZulebuli 

gaxda, saxis SesanarCuneblad 

zomebi mieRo da aviareisebi 

akrZala. am akrZalviT ori 

kurdReli daiWira, aqeT eseni 

dasaja, iqiT Tavis moqalaqeebs 

aCvena, rogor sjis maT, vinc 

mis davalebebs jerovnad ar asrulebs. 

_ Semdeg ki humanurobis 

TamaSic daiwyo, uari Tqva sxva 

sanqciebze. 

_ ki, oRond eg sanqciebi 

araformalurad mainc aqvs: 

Rvinoze Setana gaarTula da 

raRacas evaWreba. ras evaWreba 

da ras iTxovs ivaniSvilis mTavrobisgan, 

mixeil saakaSvilma 

axsna kargad _ natoze uaris 

Tqmas, neitralitetis gamocxadebas. 

anu veRar iTmens is 

kaci, _ 7 welia, giyurebT, Zmao! 

an es mkveTri nabijebi gadadgiT 

da damanaxeT, rom Cemianebi 

xarT, an arada seriozul sanqciebs 

gagitarebT, Rvinos ar 

SemogataninebT da a. S. 

_ vfiqrob, swored putinisTvis 

erTgulebis dasamtki- 

ceblad iyo gankuTvnili is 

darbevac da Semdeg dapatim- 

`magas veRar uebnebian, eg rom uTxran, 

ivaniSvili pasuxs miiRebs, mand rom gvizixar 7 

welia, Cveno jigaro biZo, ras gvikeTeb, Tu 

erTi deputatis Camosvlac problemaao? esenic 

koWs ugorebdnen rusebs da arwmunebdnen, rom 

aq yvelaferi kargadaa, situacia Semzadebulia. 

aRmoCnda, rom es ase araa da amitomac 

moxvdaT yuris ZirSi putinisgan~ 

petre ciskariSvili: 

`darwmunebuli 

var, rom 

zurabiSvili 

putinis 

kandidaturaa~ 

rebebic, rom eCvenebinaT, 

rogor samagaliTod sjian 

maT, vinc es „uxerxuloba” Seu- 

qmna mis emisar gavrilovs. 

_ cxadia, magitom iyo eg yvelaferi, 

darbevac da dapatimrebebic. 

aCvena, rogor dasaja 

yvela, vinc am procesSi monawileobda, 

rigiTi momitingidan 

dawyebuli, liderSipiT damTavrebuli. 

zogi saxlSi gamoketa, 

zogi _ cixeSi. ivaniSvilis xelisuflebam 

am nabijebiT putins 

monuri erTguleba daumtkica da 

arwmunebda, rom ara es saakaSvilis 

xalxi, romelic dasaja, gavrilovs 

civ niavs ar miakarebda. 

_ es yvelaferi putinis 

saameblad gaakeTa, magram eWvi 

maqvs, ivaniSvilma am proces- 

Sic scada wyvili kurdRlis 

daWera da Tavisi interesebi 

Cado. kerZod, liderebidan 

daiWira is pirebi, romelTa 

ganeitraleba isedac surda: 

melia, oqruaSvili. melia, ro- 

gorc quCaSi saxifaTo, xalxs 

CamoaSora da saxlSi dasva, 

„rusTavi 2-ze” pretenziis 

mqone da sxva araerTi skandaluri 

informaciis matarebeli 

oqruaSvili cixeSi gamok- 

eta. darbevebiT, Tvalebis 

daTxriT, rigiTi momitingeebis 

dapatimrebiT ki xalxi Sem- 

degi aqciebisTvis daaSina. misi 

azriT, vinc aqciebze wava, yve- 

las eqneba erTgvari SiSi, rom 

kvlav daarbeven da SesaZloa, 

Tvalic dakargos, rom SeiZle- 

ba daapatimron da a. S. 

_ geTanxmebiT, rom man ori 

kurdReli daiWira, calke putins 

aCvena Tavgamodeba da bartyebi 

gadaugdo da calke is 

aqtiuri liderebi moiSora, 

romlebic mas safrTxes uqmnidnen. 

„rusavi 2" rom xalvaSis 

arasodes iyo da formalurad 

gaformda masze, eg wlebia, yvelam 

viciT eqspertizebis gare- 

Sec. amis garda, oqruaSvili 

aqtiuri figuraa, gorSi gavlena 

da mxardaWera aqvs, flobs 

informacias da maseTi xalxi 

biZinas ar moswons, magitomac 

gaaneitrala. liderebis ganeitraleba 

gasagebia, magram cdeba 

Tu hgonia, rom an darbeviT, 

an am daWerebiT xalxs daaSinebs. 

magiT qarTvel xalxs ver 

daaSinebs. SeiZleba, mosiyvarule 

bebiam soflidan SviliSvils 

SemouTvalos, aqciaze ar 

waxvideo, magram rodis iyo, 

rom SviliSvili bebos ujerebda 

sadme, miT umetes, mitingze 

wasvla-arwasvlas. rac ufro 

met represias mouwyob, miT ufro 

metad aReldeba xalxi, miT 

ufro metad gamova quCaSi da 

miT ufro gagirTuldeba mere 

masebis marTva. amaSi cdeba 

ivaniSvili, Tu xalxis daSinebisTvis 

sCadioda am ubedurebas. 

man am darbeviT ufro fundamentalisti 

„qocebis” gulis 

mooxeba scada, maT daanaxva, 

rom egeTi „Cmoric” ki ar var, 

srolac SemiZlia da metic. xom 

arian gaborotebuli „qocebi”, 

romlebic arc qveyanaze fiqroben, 

arc _ momavalze da mxolod 

sakuTari, biujetis woviT 

gasqelebuli jibe da am 7 weliwadSi 

mopovebuli piradi keTildReoba 

adardebT, panikurad 

eSiniaT miSas da „nacebis” mobruneba. 

ratom? imitom, rom 

zustad ician, nepotizmi damTavrdeba 

da lukma-puri ukve 

SromiT eqnebaT saSovneli da 

ara ase, rom sxedan da biujeti 

awvimT. es yvelaferi gverdiTi 

sargeblebi iyo biZinasTvis. 

mTavari mainc putinisTvis gulis 

molboba iyo, erTguleba 

daumtkica, aCvena, rom misi gulisTvis 

axalgazrdebs Txris 

Tvalebs, cixeSi yris xalxs da 

a. S., magram is ufro mets iTxovs, 

is iTxovs geopolitikur 

Sedegebs, natoze uars, neitralitets. 

es ras eubneba, xom 

Zalian ioli misaxvedria? 

_ rom arCevnebi gadaagore- 

binos. 

_ cxadia, emudareba, erTi 

welic macade, xalxs kidev nu 

amibunteb, eg nabijebi rom gadavdga, 

bolomde gaviSifrebi, 

raca var, 2020-is arCevnebi gadamagorebine 

da mag arCevnebSi 

Tu gavimarjve, mere bolomde 

Cagbardebi, Tu ginda, krasnodaris 

olqiviT, guberniad gadamaqcie, 

oRond axla nu mawvebi. 

ai, es Widili, es molaparakeba 

midis axla, es bolo 

kvirebia. Tan gagania rTvelia, 

is awveba am Rvinis eqsportis 

mazolze, es cdilobs, rom ramenairad 

gamoZvres, imitom rom 

mag nabijis gadadgma im „qocebsac” 

aujanyebs, visac, ratom- 

Rac, mainc kidev sjera, rom 

eseni prodasavlurebi arian da 

argumentad moaqvT, ai, savizo 

reJimi xom gauqmda evropasTan 

da a. S. Sirmad xom iyeneben am 

process. ai, es Widili midis 

axla da amitom marTals ambobs 

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ivaniSvili vadamdel arCevnebs? 

miSa, rom am wlis bolomde yvelaferi 

unda gairkves. 

_ gavrilovis iq Cajdomis 

mere qveyana qalbatoni prezidentis 

mier mkvlelebis Sewyalebam 

aRaSfoTa. ise, xan STa- 

beWdileba mrCeba, rom salome 

zurabiSvili metismetad kom- 

fortulia biZinasTvis. iseT 

saocrebebs sCadis, amis fonze 

biZina solidurad gamoiyure- 

ba. garda amisa, misi qmedebebiT 

cxadia, yuradRebis masze gadatana 

xdeba, xalxi mas lan- 

ZRavs da biZina isvenebs. 

_ ara mgonia, radgan Tvi- 

Tonac ziandeba am yvelafriT 

da Tu amasac ver xvdeba... es 

qali marTla iseT avazakobebs 

sCadis, gadairia qveyana. rac 

amoZravebs, gasagebia, korufciul 

garigebebSia Sesuli, magram 

kidev ufro mZimea policielis 

mkvlelis Sewyalebis 

qeisi, imitom rom policielis 

mkvlels ase izolirebulad 

ver Seiwyalebda da raRaca tipis 

Tanxmoba eqneboda centraluri 

„qocebidan”, ivaniSvilgaxarias 

garemocvidan. metic, 

eWvi maqvs politikuri valdebulebebis, 

saarCevno mxardaWeris 

sanacvlod Seawyalebines 

zurabiSvils policielis mkvleli 

da mere zurabiSvilma, 

raxan imas mawyalebinebT, me 

sxva mkvlelebs Seviwyaleb da 

fuls gavakeTebo da asec qna, _ 

rogorc TviTon ambobs, gamoiyena 

Tavisi diskrecia da Seiwyala 

sxva mkvlelebic. Tan ise, 

rom arc gamoiTxova saqmeebi 

iusticiis saministrodan. magaze 

aravin amaxvilebs yuradRebas, 

ratom ar gamoiTxova maTi 

saqmeebi. saqmeebi rom gamoeTxova, 

mediaSi gaJonavda, gaxmaurdeboda 

da xom warmogidgeniaT, 

es rom winaswar gaxmaurebuliyo, 

ra moxdeboda? veRar 

Seiwyalebda. amitom Cumad gaakeTa. 

am uzneobas uaresi daamata 

Semdeg, oTxmezuris mkvlelis 

Sewyalebaze gamoacxada, 

rom ar icoda, oTxmezuris mkvleli 

Tu iyo. ui! ui! „ocnebis” 

mxardamWeri, gavleniani ojaxis 

Svilis mkvleli Semiwyalebiao! 

anu sxvisi Svilis mkvleli rom 

yofiliyo, arc araferi, ra 

problemaa! im Tavis danaSauls 

da im ubedurebas, rac daatriala, 

zemodan daurTo kidev uaresi 

gancxadeba, misi am gancxadebiT, 

mentalurad ramdenad 

bneli da borotia, amas gaesva 

xazi. 

_ saerTod, es qali ra feno- 

menia? Tavidanve iyo saubari 

imaze, rom is ar iyo ivaniSvi- 

lis kandidatura, rom biZinas 

kremlidan daevala misi gaTreva, 

rom is iyo putinis kandi- 

datura. yvela nabijiT es qali 

amtkicebs kidec amas. am gada- 

saxedidan rogor fiqrobT? 

_ dRemde darwmunebuli var, 

rom zurabiSvili putinis kandidaturaa. 

biZinas mxolod 

ìvaniSvili wlebia, ruseTs ajerebs, rom saakaSvilis mere saqarTvelo 

jibeSi Caido, aq Tavisebi uzis mTavrobaSi, rom aq maT okupantad, mtrad 

aRaravin aRiqvams, yvelas gveferebian, rom yvela medasavleTe CaaCumes, 

rac saakaSvili moiSores, rom qarTveli xalxi maTkenaa da am dros 140-ma 

milionma ruseTis moqalaqem televiziiT naxa, rac moyva erTi rusi 

deputatis parlamentSi Sesvlas~ 

Tavisi gadawyvetilebiT rom 

SeerCia kandidati, viRac sxvas 

SearCevda _ bevrad ioilad gasayvans, 

ufro metad Tavisians, 

ufro metad sandos, viRac 

Tavis „polis joxs”. margvelaSvili 

bolomde Tavis kaci egona, 

magram mere xasiaTi dauwuna. 

xasiaTis cvlilebaSi, Cemi 

azriT, sasaxlis faqtori arafer 

SuaSia. saqme is aris, rom margvelaSvili 

opoziciaSi yofnis 

drosac da Semdeg ganaTlebis 

ministrobis drosac xSirad 

akeTebda prorusul gancxadebebs, 

rom rusebi Cveni Zmebi 

arian, rom rusul wignebze, 

rusul kulturaze varT gazrdili, 

ruseTTan unda vimegobroT 

da a. S. biZina fiqrobda, 

rom dasvamda mas, TviTon prodasavlurs 

daiWerda da margvelaSvili 

gverdidan miexmareboda 

prorusuli kursis gatarebaSi. 

_ da saTqmeli eqneboda dasavleTTan, 

rom TviTon araf- 

er SuaSia, rom is arCeuli 

prezidentia. amiT, cxadia, safrTxes 

aacilebda mis dasav- 

lur kapitals. 

_ diax, fiqrobda, rom Tvi- 

Ton dasavleTis mimarTulebiT 

muSaobiT moiwonebda Tavs da 

margvelaSvili rusuli gavlenis 

infiltraciaSi daexmareboda. 

magram mivida margvelaSvili 

iq da 2 TveSi gadaabruna 

„plastinka” _ daiwyo natoze, 

evrokavSirze, amerikaze, dasavleTze 

laparaki. ruseTi saer- 

Tod aRarc uxsenebia. rogorc 

`mTavari mainc putinisTvis gulis molboba 

iyo, erTguleba daumtkica, aCvena, rom misi 

gulisTvis axalgazrdebs Txris Tvalebs, 

cixeSi yris xalxs da a. S., magram is ufro 

mets iTxovs, is iTxovs geopolitikur 

Sedegebs, natoze uars, neitralitets. es ras 

eubneba, xom Zalian ioli misaxvedria?~ 

Cans, dasavleTSi garkveviT 

auxsnes im margvelaSvils, sad, 

ra, rogor xdeba, Wkuaze moiyvanes, 

rom es qveyana rusul 

wignebze ki ar aris gazrdili, 

evropuli ojaxis nawili unda 

gaxdes xval da zeg. esec moego 

gons mag mimarTulebiT, 

rogorc Cans, Torem ise unia- 

To „qocad” darCa, metic: „qocze” 

uaresi „qocia”. araraoba 

aRmoCnda, rogorc prezidenti, 

magram am nawilSi prodasavluri 

gaxda uceb, fericvaleba 

ganicada da eg iyo biZos gadmosaxedidan 

magis xasiaTebis 

cvlileba. 

_ mag logikas Tu mivyvebiT, 

sruliad logikuria, rom mis 

interesSic iyo aq prorusuli 

salomes dasma prezidentad, 

romelic im saqmes gaakeTebs, 

rasac misgan putini iTxovs. 

_ diax, asea da logikurad 

misTvis Zalian komfortuli 

iyo am qalis gaprezidenteba. 

rTulad gasayvani ki iyo, diskreditebuli 

da ucodinari, yvelanairad 

amoraluri figuraa. 

_ daido kvlevis Sedegebi. 

am Sedegebs eWvis TvaliT Sexvda 

politikuri speqtric, sa- 

zogadoebac. me Sors var im 

azrisgan, rom vinme mosyid- 

ulia an kvleva gayalbebulia, 

ubralod, STabeWdileba mrCe- 

ba, rom kvlevis meTodikaSi, 

xerxebSia raRac xarvezi, an 

Cvens realobasTan Seusabamo- 

ba. es eWvi, jer kidev, maSin 

gamiCnda, rodesac acxadebd- 

nen, rom patriarqs 94%-iani 

ndoba aqvs. sruliad daujer- 

ebelia aseTi ndoba religiu- 

rad Wrel qveyanaSi. piradad es 

eWvebs miCens meTodologiisa 

da ara maTi keTilsindisiere- 

bis mimarT. 

_ ra giTxraT, meTodologia 

marTla specifikuria, axla „airais” 

kvleva iqneba da iq sul 

sxva cifrebi gamoCndeba, radgan 

maT kidev sxva tipis meTodologia 

aqvT. magaliTad, rig 

meTodologiaSi 10 qulidan 10 

qula unda dauwero, vTqvaT, 

enm-s, rom enm-s amomrCevlad 

dafiqsirde, sxva meTodologiaSi 

aTidan 6-7 Tu uwer, ukve 

nacamomrCevlad iTvlebi. ra 

giTxraT, me am kvlevebs reitingebis 

kuTxiT did yuradRebas 

ar vaqcev, yuradRebas vaqcev 

xalxis ganwyobebis kuTxiT _ 

ras fiqrobs xalxi, ufskrulisken 

rom miveqanebiT? siRaribe 

ramdenadaa Sesuli metastazebiviT 

sazogadoebis yvela fenaSi, 

garda im „qocuri” kastisa, 

vinc biujetidan ikvebeba 

wurbelasaviT? mainteresebs, 

ramdenad awuxebs xalxs inflacia, 

umuSevroba? saqme marto 

samuSao adgilebSic aRaraa. 

SeiZleba, samuSao adgili iyos, 

dRiuri samuSao, vTqvaT, magram 

dRiurad is 20-25 lari aRaraferia 

ukve. 5-6 wlis win raRac 

iyo, adamiani axerxebda Tavis 

gamokvebas im SemosavliT. dRes, 

praqtikulad, veRarafers axerxebs. 

arada, anazRaureba 

igivea da ar matulobs. inflaciam, 

laris kursis devalvaciam 

calke SeWama msyidvelunarianoba 

da calke fulic aRar aris, 

rom xalxs Semosavali hqondes. 

Cvenc gvqonda 2007-08 wlebSi 

maRali inflacia, sadRac 

10-11%-mde adioda fasebis zrda, 

magram es inflacia gamowveuli 

iyo qveyanaSi bevri fulis 

SemodinebiT, _ xalxs fuli 

gauCnda. roca fuli giCndeba, 

msyidvelunariani xdebi, survilic 

gaqvs raRacis SeZenis, 

moTxovna izrdeba, saTanadod 

ver pasuxobs miwodeba, gamyidveli 

xedavs, rom produqcia 

iyideba da fasebs zrdis. am 

tipis inflacia iyo Cvens dros 

da masTan gviwevda brZola. axla 

sxva tipis inflaciaa _ suf- 

Ta laris devalvaciazea mibmuli, 

Tan fuli ar gvaqvs da Tan 

fasebi mirbis, radgan importze 

vzivarT da saqonlis didi nawili 

dolarebze Semodis. es 

gacilebiT ufro mtkivneuli 

tipis inflaciaa, Tan fuli ar 

gaqvs da Tan fasebi izrdeba. 

_ TqviT, kvlevebs reitingebis 

kuTxiT yuradRebas ar va- 

qcevo, ratom? ar endobiT? 

_ ara, ndoba arafer SuaSia. 

kvlevebiT bolo 7 welia, 10-dan 

15%-mde vtrialebT, mere ki, 

arCevnebze, 40%-s viRebT, 40-ze 

meti _ bolo saprezidento ar- 

Cevnebze. amis mizezi isaa, rom 

gamokiTxulTa Zalian didi nawili 

ar pasuxobs, vis aZlevs 

xmas, nawili Tavidan iridebs, 

TiTqos jer ar aqvs gadawyvetili. 

am segmentSi cxadia, 

gacilebiT metia opoziciis mxardamWeri, 

vidre _ xelisuflebis. 

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„usafrTxo internetis ligis” 

monacemebiT, am saxiT vrceldeba 

bavSvTa pornografiis 83%. eqspertebis 

gaTvliT, msxverplTa asaki 

3-dan 13 wlamde lavirebs. 

saqarTvelos Sinagan saqmeTa 

saministro dRemde dums operacis 

detalebis Sesaxeb. sazogadoebam 

mxolod is Seityo, rom Cvenma Sinagan 

saqmeTa saministrom monawileoba 

miiRo saerTaSoriso specoperaciaSi, 

romlis farglebSic 

saqarTveloSi bavSvTa pornografiis 

damamzadebel-gamavrceleblebi 

gamoavlines. ufro konkretulebi 

rom viyoT, „saerTaSoriso 

muSa jgufma” (amaze vrclad qvemoT) 

saqarTvelos samarTaldamcvel 

uwyebebs Seatyobina, rom Tqven- 

Tan „esa da es” xdebao, CamovdivarT 

da dagvxvdiT, operaciis detalebs 

mand gagacnobTo. savaraudod, 

sqema qarTvelebs ar SeudgeniaT. 

isini operaciaSi monawileobdnen 

imdenad, ramdenadac „pedofiluri 

produqciis axali keris” 

ayris faqti saqarTveloSi 

xorcieldeboda da mTlad uamaTobac, 

anu uCvenobac ar gamovidoda. 

ai, ra iTqva Sinagan saqmeTa ministris 

moadgile vladimer borcvaZisa 

da avstraliis policiis 

federaluri agentis, mekavSire 

oficer vendi riqsis brifingze: 

„saqarTvelos Sinagan saqmeTa 

saministros centraluri kriminaluri 

policiis departamentis, 

generaluri prokuraturis, evropolis, 

amerikis SeerTebuli Statebisa 

da avstraliis samarTaldamcveli 

uwyebebis TanamSromlebma, 

erToblivad gatarebuli intensiuri 

operatiul-sagamoZiebo RonisZiebebis 

Sedegad, arasrulwlovnis 

vaWrobisa da arasrulwlovnis 

gamosaxulebis Semcveli pornografiuli 

nawarmoebis damzadebagasaRebis 

qseli gamoavlines da 

organizebul-danaSaulebrivi 

jgufis 11 wevri daakaves. dakavebuli 

arian: aSS-is moqalaqe, 1961 

wels dabadebuli k.u., avstraliis 

moqalaqe, 1959 wels dabadebuli 

p.l. da saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi: 

1985 wels dabadebuli m.c., 1984 

wels dabadebuli s.k., 1981 wels 

dabadebuli g.b., 1978 wels dabadebuli 

b.c., 1982 wels dabadebuli 

i.a., 1981 wels dabadebuli q.o., 1989 

wels dabadebuli s.k., 1981 wels 

dabadebuli d.b. da 1984 wels dabadebuli 

g.b. 

dakavebulTa Soris arian pornografiuli 

nawarmoebis damzadebaSi 

Cabmuli arasrulwlovani 

bavSvebis mSoblebi, maTi naTesavebi 

da axloblebi, aseve ukanono 

fotosalonis mflobelebi da 

TanamSromlebi. 

gamoZiebam daadgina, rom dakavebul 

aSS-isa da avstraliis moqalaqeebs 

TbilisSi, naqiraveb binebSi 

konspiraciulad mowyobili 

hqondaT fotosalonebi da ucxoeTSi 

realizaciis mizniT aras- 


bavSvTa pornografia saqarTveloSi - 

operacia „emisris” bolo sta- 

Tamar rostiaSvili 

dia dasrulebulia. globaliza- 

577 10 07 06 

cias Tan sdevs Tavisi grZeli 

kriminaluri Sleifi. bavSvTa 

pornografiis gavrceleba erT-erTi yvelaze momgebiani biznesia, 

romlis brunva 10 miliard dolars Seadgens da msoflioSi 

mesame adgili ukavia narkotikebisa da iaraRiT vaWro- 

bis Semdeg. aRniSuli produqciis 75% internetis saSualebiT 

vrceldeba. bolo aTi wlis ganmavlobaSi bavSvTa pornografi- 

is moculoba 25-jer gaizarda, daxuruli saitebis ricxvma ki 

300 milions gadaaWarba. 

rulwlovnebis gamosaxulebis Semcvel 

pornografiul nawarmoebs 

amzadebdnen. gamoZiebiT aseve 

dadginda, rom aSS-is moqalaqe k.u. 

danaSaulebrivi gziT mopovebuli 

Tanxas TbilisSi arsebul sxvadasxva 

savaWro centrSi ganTavsebuli 

kriptomatebidan anaRdebda. 

aSS-is saelCos informaciiT, 

saqarTveloSi saerTaSoriso doneze 

koordinebuli, ramdenime qveynis 

CarTulobiT ganxorcielebuli 

es samarTaldamcveli RonisZieba, 

unda iyos gafrTxileba yvelasTvis, 

vinc bavSvebs zians ayenebs, 

rom samarTaldamcveli organoebi, 

erToblivi ZalisxmeviT, 

yovelTvis SeZleben maT identificirebas, 

dakavebasa da pasuxisgebaSi 

micemas. 

amasTan, amerikis saemigracio 

da sabaJo uwyebis (ICE) Sida usafrTxoebis 

sagamoZiebo samsaxuri 

(HSI) yovelTvis da yvelgan aRasrulebs 

Tavis valdebulebas, rom 

daicvas bavSvebi msoflios nebismier 

adgilas im adamianebisgan, 

vinc borotad sargeblobs arasrulwlovanTa 

umweobiT”. 

organizatorebSi dasaxelda 

sami ZiriTadi uwyeba: „evropolis, 

amerikis SeerTebuli Statebisa da 

avstraliis samarTaldamcveli”. 

mivyveT maT! 

operacia „gadarCena” da pedo- 

fili maswavlebeli, policieli, 

advokati... 

globaluri qseli, romelic 

mTeli msoflios pedofilebs aer- 

Tianebs, pirvelad gaxsna „evropolma” 

(evrokavSiris policiis samsaxuri, 

romlis saTavo ofisic ganTavsebulia 

haagaSi). policiam aRmoaCina 

internet-saiti pedofilebis 

daxuruli forumiT. aRniSnuli 

forumis monawile 70 000-mde 

adamiani mTeli msofliodan iyo, 

maT Soris, aSS-dan, avstraliidan 

da didi britaneTidan. isini erTmaneTs 

Soris cvlidnen pornografiuli 

Sinaarsis masalebs bavSvebis 

monawileobiT. internetresurss 

erqva boylover-i. misi serveri 

amsterdamSi mdebareobda. 

serveris mepatrone, 37 wlis emiriS 

gurvici, Tavadve axorcielebda 

saitis administrirebas. erTi 

SexedviT, saiti aranair eWvebs ar 

badebda _ rigiTi pornoportali 

gaxldaT, magram mas hqonda forumi, 

romelic danarCeni kontentisTvis 

daxuruli iyo da mxolod 

pedofilebs emsaxureboda. forumis 

monawileebi bavSvebs xvdebodnen 

da maT ryvnidnen. msxverplTa 

raodenobam 230-s gadaaWarba. 

„evropoli” sami wlis ganmavlobaSi 

gegmavda operacias koduri 

saxelwodebiT „gadarCena”. operacias 

kurirebas uwevda internet- 

Si bavSvTa Zaladobis winaaRmdeg 

centri, romelic didi britaneTis 

policiam Camoayaliba. evropolis 

specialistebma saitze SemomsvlelTa 

misamarTebis dekodireba 

`milionidan 4 bavSvi yovelTvis iRebs Txovnas, internetidan SiSveli 

foto gaagzavnos. bavSvTa pornografia - es aris pedofilebis 

globaluri virtualuri sazogadoebisa da kibermafiis interesebis 

gadakveTis wertili. pornoresursebis komerciuli organizacia 

kibermafias dabali danaxarjebiT da maRali mogebiT izidavs~ 

moaxerxes, ris Sedegadac 70 000-ve 

pirovnebis vinaoba dadginda. samwuxarod, 

faqtebis simwiris gamo 

mxolod 670 maTganis sisxlis samarTlis 

pasuxisgebaSi gadacema 

moxerxda, aqedan 184 daapatimres, 

saidanac 120 didi britaneTidan 

iyo. dapatimrebulebs Soris iyvnen 

niderlandebis, avstraliis, aSS-is, 

italiis, kanadisa da tailandis 

`globaluri qseli, romelic mTeli 

msoflios pedofilebs aerTianebs, 

pirvelad gaxsna èvropolma~ (evrokavSiris 

policiis samsaxuri, romlis saTavo 

ofisic ganTavsebulia haagaSi). policiam 

aRmoaCina internet-saiti pedofilebis 

daxuruli forumiT. aRniSnuli forumis 

monawile 70 000-mde adamiani mTeli 

msofliodan iyo, maT Soris, aSS-dan, 

avstraliidan da didi britaneTidan. isini 

erTmaneTs Soris cvlidnen 

pornografiuli Sinaarsis masalebs 

bavSvebis monawileobiT. internet-resurss 

erqva boylover-i. misi serveri amsterdamSi 

mdebareobda. serveris mepatrone, 37 wlis 

emir-iS gurvici, Tavadve axorcielebda 

saitis administrirebas. erTi SexedviT, 

saiti aranair eWvebs ar badebda - rigiTi 

pornoportali gaxldaT, magram mas hqonda 

forumi, romelic danarCeni kontentisTvis 

daxuruli iyo da mxolod pedofilebs 

emsaxureboda. forumis monawileebi 

bavSvebs xvdebodnen da maT ryvnidnen. 

msxverplTa raodenobam 230-s gadaaWarba~ 

moqalaqeebi. yvelaze ufrosi eWvmitanilis 

asaki 84 weli gaxldaT. 

dakavebuli pedofilebi profesiiT 

iyvnen: maswavleblebi, policielebi, 

avtobusis mZRolebi, advokatebi 

da studentebi. sxvaTa 

Soris, dapatimrebulebidan erTerTi 

qali gaxldaT. dapatimreba 

konkretuli faqtebis safuZvelze 

ganxorcielda. magaliTad, 36 wlis 

jon makmerdo boiskautebis jgufis 

xelmZRvanelad muSaobda. mas 

bavSvTa 2 aTasamde pornografiuli 

foto aRmouCines. sasamarTlom 

cixeSi gauSva aseve 21 wlis 

studenti li palmeri, romelmac 

or biWze iZalada _ 2 da 9 wlisebze. 

palmeri Tavis kompiuterSi 60 

aTasamde bavSvTa pornografiis 

fotos inaxavda. eWvmitanilebs 

Soris aris erTi espaneli, romelic 

bavSvTa sazafxulo banakebSi 

muSaobda da misi msxverpli asamde 

bavSvia. 

forumi mxolod saSualeba iyo 

pedofilebisTvis erTmaneTis gacnobis, 

raTa maT xelT arsebuli 

masala erTmaneTSi gaecvalaT. mxolod 

cvlidnen da fotoebs gzavnidnen 

eleqtronuli fostiT an 

sxva privatuli arxebiT. 

ra aris „saerTaSoriso 

muSa jgufi”? 

imdenad, ramdenadac internet- 

Si danaSauls ar aqvs sazRvari, aSS- 

Si 2006 wels dainerga internetqselze 

24-saaTiani saerTaSoriso 

dakvirveba. saerTaSoriso muSa 

jgufSi (aSS, avstralia, didi britaneTi 

da kanada) Semavali qveynebis 

samarTaldamcveli organoebi 

monacvleobiT yoveldRe morigeoben 

internetSi. gamomZieblebs 

erTmaneTTan wvdoma aqvT realuri 

drois reJimSi. garda amisa, muSa 

jgufis mier Seqmnilia „cxeli 

xazi” (aSS), sadac CamoTvlili oTxi 

qveynis moqalaqeebs SeuZliaT, nebismier 

dros miawodon informacia 

bavSvebis eqspluataciis faqtebze. 

Tavad centri 1984 wels daaarsa 

aSS-is kongresma, rogorc sazogadoebrivi 

organizacia, romelic 

60%-iT saxelmwifosgan finansdeba, 

40%-iT ki, ZiriTadad, sainformacio 

teqnologiebis sferoSi mo- 

Rvawe kompaniebisgan. magaliTad, 

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specoperaciis ucnobi detalebi 

Google am struqturasTan erTad 

muSaobs. 

aSS-is iusticiis saministros 

bavSvTa eqspluataciis ganyofilebis 

prokurorebi fiqroben, 

rom mTel msoflioSi moqmedebs 

pedofilebis virtualuri globaluri 

sazogadoeba, romlis 

ricxvi sul izrdeba. am sazogadoebis 

wevrebi moqmedeben anonimurad, 

iReben bavSvTa pornografiul 

masalebs, cvlian maT 

internet-qselis saSualebiT, rac 

mTavaria, erTmaneTs bavSvebis misamarTebs 

gadascemen pedofiluri 

aqtebis gansaxorcieleblad. gansakuTrebiT 

did safrTxes warmoadgens 

msxverplTa asakis dabla 

daweva. sul ufro xSirad qselSi 

vrceldeba foto-video rgolebi 

seqsualuri Zaladobis scenebiT 5- 

7 wlis asakis bavSvebze, Tveebis 

Cvilebzec ki. 

aTeuli wlebia, „fbr” ebrZvis 

am sens. Seqmnilia qveganyofileba 

„umanko saxeebi”, romlis Tanam- 

Sromlebic qselis 24-saaTian monitorings 

ewevian. amisTvis isini 

Tavs asaReben bavSvebad, gadian 

pedofilebTan virtualur kontaqtze 

da Sexvedraze ityueben. 

dezorientaciisTvis „fbris” agentebi 

mozardebisgan slengs swavloben. 

bolo xuTi wlis ganmavlobaSi 

„umanko saxeebis” daxmarebiT 

weliwadSi 2 aTasamde pedofils 

avlenen, romelTac bavSvTan Sexvedris 

momentSi akaveben. Cxrekis 

dros, Tu nivTmtkicebebi amoiRes 

(foto-video masala da a. S.), maSin 

dakavebulebi Tavisuflebis aRkve- 

Tis xangrZliv vadas Rebuleben. 

„fbris” prokurorebis aseTi 

aqtiuri muSaobis miuxedavad, bavSvTa 

internet-pornografiis problemebi 

ar mcirdeba. milionidan 4 

bavSvi yovelTvis iRebs Txovnas, 

internetidan SiSveli foto gaagzavnos. 

bavSvTa pornografia _ es aris 

pedofilebis globaluri virtualuri 

sazogadoebisa da kibermafiis 

interesebis gadakveTis wertili. 

pornoresursebis komerciuli 

organizacia kibermafias dabali 

danaxarjebiT da maRali mogebiT 

izidavs. niu-iorkis samma 

umsxvilesma provaiderma: Verizonma, 

Sprint-ma da Time Warner Cable-ma 

xeli moawera niu-iorkis Statis 

prokurorTan xelSekrulebas. xelSekrulebis 

Tanaxmad, bavSvTa 

pornografiasTan wvdomas ver Se- 

Zlebs Statis verc erTi mosaxle. 

evrokavSiris qveynebis paralelurad, 

operacia mimdinareobda 

amerikaSi. niu-jersis federalurma 

prokuraturam daakava ukrainis 

moqalaqe, 33 wlis maqsim Sinkarenko. 

es ukanaskneli aSS-is mTavrobis 

moTxovniT tailandSi daapatimres. 

sami wlis ganmavlobaSi 

tailandi Sinkarenkos eqstradacias 

ewinaaRmdegeboda, magram, sabolood, 

mas mainc mouxda amerikuli 

sasamarTlos winaSe wardgoma. 

maqsim Sinkarenkos dakaveba msxvilmasStabian 

operaciaTa ricxv- 

Si Sevida, romelic Caatara aSS-is 

Sinagani usafrTxoebis saministros 

sabaJo-saimigracio samsaxuris 

operatiul-sagamoZiebo departamentma 

(U.S. Immigration and Customs 

Enforcement - ICE). amerikis 47 

StatSi 560 bavSvTa pornografiis 

momxmarebeli daakaves. yvela maTgani 

Sinkarenkosgan aRniSnul 

produqcias internetis saSualebiT 

yidulobda. 

danaSaulis damadasturebel 

17-gverdian ganacxadSi maqsim 

Sinkarenko (igive „kotovi”, igive 

Deep-i, igive „+1", igive „kotmaxi”, 

igive „kotmaxkievi”) amzadebda 

bavSvTa pornografiul masalebs, 

areklamebda, yidda da agzavnida, 

Semdeg ki am ukanono saqmianobiT 

miRebul fuls aTeTrebda. am gziT 

maqsim Sinkarenkom milionobiT 

dolari iSova. misi sazizRari 

dasaxelebis saitebi daixura: „The 

sick Child Room“, „Real Child Porno“, 

„Children Porno“, „Pedo Heaven“, „Dirty 

Nymphets“, „World Famous Childporn video“ 

da „Hottest Childporn Garden“. Tumca 

mTavari portali gaxldaT 

„Illegal.CP”. saitze gawevrianebul 

momxmarebels Semdegi teqsti xvdeboda: 

„Cveni saiti yvela qveyanaSi 

iTvleba ukanonod... magram Tu 

problemebi warmogeSvebaT policiasTan, 

yovelTvis SegiZliaT ganacxadoT, 

rom viRacam moipara 

Tqveni sakredito baraTis monacemebi. 

imis damtkiceba, rom swored 

Tqven ixdidiT, Zalze rTulia”. 

operaciaSi monawile 20 amerikeli 

policieli gawevrianda saitze 

„Illegal.CP”. operacias „emisari” 

ewodeboda , romelic sam stadiad 

daiyo. mesame, bolo stadias „Txeli 

yinuli” daarqves. 

dakavebulebs Soris iyvnen advokatebi, 

eqimebi, maswavleblebi, 

mwvrTnelebi, samarTaldamcvelebi. 

iq, sadac aSS da ruseTi 

mWidrod TanamSromloben 

ruseTis Sinagan saqmeTa saministrom 

Caatara operacia saxelwodebiT 

„sarevela” („Ñîðíÿê”), romlis 

farglebSi 84 sisxlis samarTlis 

saqme aRiZra. aseve piringuli 

qselebis 800-mde momxmarebeli 

gaSifres msoflios 27 qveynidan. 

maT Soris, kanadidan, braziliidan, 

germaniidan da a. S. ruseTis ÌÂÄm 

27-ve qveynis samarTaldamcvel 

uwyebebs operacia „sarevelas” Sedegad 

mopovebuli masalebi daugzavna. 

ratom Tqva uari deputatobaze SoTa SalelaSvilma? 

seqtemberSi SoTa SalelaSvilma parlamentis 


Tavmjdomares ustari aaxla da deputatis ufle- 

599 92 16 22 

bamosilebis Sewyveta moiTxova. deputats rom 

sakuTari nebiT eTqvas uari deputatobaze, aseTi 

ram saqarTvelos uaxles istorias ar axsovs. deputatebi parlaments an sikvdi- 

lis SemTxvevaSi ganeSorebian, anda sadme „kai samsaxurSi” Tu gadaiyvanen. aris 

sxva variantebic, magaliTac iZuleba. SoTa SalelaSvils raRac idealebis gamo 

rom ar uTqvams uari deputatobaze, amaze 

yvela Tanxmdeba. didi miTqma-moTqmis 

miuxedavad, bolomde ar garkveula, Tu ratom Tqva uari milionerma Sale- 

laSvilma parlamentis wevrobaze. 

am gadawyvetilebis miRebamde is, albaT, 

bevrs ifiqrebda, asjer gazomavda da erTxel 

gaWrida _ sxva Tu araferi, sakanonmdeblo 

organo milionebis dasacavad saukeTeso 

adgilia. 

mis gadawyvetilebasTan dakavSirebiT 

ramdenime versia gaCnda. erT-erTi versiiT, 

milioner deputats parlamentidan wasvla 

nika melias gamo aiZules. 

nika melias saqarTvelos parlamentma 

zafxulSi imuniteti SeuCera. kolega cixe- 

Si wasasvlelad 93-ma meocnebem gaimeta. 

umravlesobis ramdenime wevri im samarcxvino 

sxdomaze saerTod ar mivida, ramdenimem 

ki gabeda da uari Tqva meliasTvis imunitetis 

moxsnaze. 

mmarTvelma partiam amis gamo mariam 

jaSisa da roman kakulias „qarTuli ocnebidan” 

garicxva moiTxova. deputatebi aseve 

iTxovdnen, rom maT saparlamento postebi 

daeTmoT. jaSic da kakuliac sakanonmdeblo 

organoSi komitetebs xelmZRvaneloben. 

„ocnebaSi” viRac Wkvianma biZina ivaniSvils 

urCia, es nabiji ar gadaedgaT da komitetis 

Tavmjdomareebi droebiT gadarCnen. 

samagierod, pasuxi moeTxova imaT, romelnic 

meliasTvis imunitetis mosaxsnelad 

N30 (291) 1.10-07.10.2019 w. 

parlamentis sxdomaze ar mividnen. 

erT-erTi maTgani iyo biZina gegiZe. igi 

cota xnis win „qarTulma ocnebam” saparlamento 

umravlesobidan garicxa. 

saparlamento kuluarebSi amboben, rom 

gegiZis garicxvis mizezi marto melia ar 

yofila. umravlesobidan garicxuli giorgi 

kvirikaSvilTan daaxloebuli piria, 

kvirikaSvili ki „ocnebaSi” miuRebel personad 

miiCneva. 

gegiZis msgavsad parlamentSi samarcxvino 

sxdomaze ar misula SoTa SalelaSvilic. 

saparlamento kuluarebSi amboben, rom mas 

ramdenjerme mosTxoves misuliyo sxdomaze. 

aris varaudi, rom is swored amis gamo ai- 

Zules, parlamentidan wasuliyo. winaaRmdegobis 

gawevis SemTxvevaSi riT daemuqrnen, 

es ucnobia. 

aris sxva versiebic. erT-erTi versiiT, 

milioner deputats xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli 

pirebi fuls awerdnen. saubaria 

20 milion larze. SalelaSvilma swored 

amitom Tqva uari parlamentis wevrobaze da 

gadawyvita, sxva qveyanas Seafaros Tavi. 

mas saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis garda 

ruseTisa da israelis moqalaqeobac aqvs da 

sadme namdvilad Seafarebs Tavs. 

`gegiZis msgavsad parlamentSi samarcxvino sxdomaze ar 

misula SoTa SalelaSvilic. saparlamento kuluarebSi 

amboben, rom mas ramdenjerme mosTxoves misuliyo sxdomaze. 

aris varaudi, rom is swored amis gamo aiZules, 

parlamentidan wasuliyo. winaaRmdegobis gawevis SemTxvevaSi 

riT daemuqrnen, es ucnobia. aris sxva versiebic. erT-erTi 

versiiT, milioner deputats xelisuflebasTan daaxloebuli 

pirebi fuls awerdnen. saubaria 20 milion larze. 

SalelaSvilma swored amitom Tqva uari parlamentis 

wevrobaze da gadawyvita, sxva qveyanas Seafaros Tavi~ 

yvelaze gavrcelebuli versia ki misi da 

grigol miqelaZis dapirispirebaa. miqelaZec 

„ocnebis” deputatia da masac bevri fuli 

aqvs. Sesabamisad, arc gavlenebi aklia. 

rogorc amboben, davaSi biZina ivaniSvilic 

ki Caeria da man miqelaZis mxari dai- 

Wira, rac SalelaSvilisTvis parlamentidan 

guda-nabadis akvris mizezi gaxda. 

am versiis gavrcelebis Semdeg SalelaSvilic 

da miqelaZec mediisTvis miuwvdomlebi 

aRmoCndnen. maT Soris SesaZlo dapirispirebaze 

duman „ocnebaSic”. 

sainteresoa is faqtic, rom SalelaSvilis 

parlamentidan wasvla grigori karasinis 

postidan gadadgomas daemTxva. 

ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministris aw 

ukve yofili moadgile karasini zurab aba- 

SiZesTan erTad marTavda xolme molaparakebebs 

praRaSi. gavrcelebuli informaciiT, 

praRaSi wasasvlelad da karasinis SemcvlelTan 

sabaasod giorgi gaxaria axal 

kadrs arCevs. 

rogorc „qronika+~-s xelisuflebasTan 

daaxloebulma wyarom acnoba, am Tanamdebobis 

dakaveba SoTa SalelaSvils surs. 

axlo wreSi uTqvams, rom ruseTSi gavlenebi 

aqvs da SeZlebs molaparakebebis warmoebas. 

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom ruseTSi seriozul 

qonebas flobs, ra gasakviria, mas 

iq sanacnobo wrec eyoleba. ruseTis garda 

SalelaSvili qonebas israelsa da 

saqarTveloSic flobs. sul misi qoneba 35 

milionad aris Sefasebuli. 

ruseTTan molaparakebebs SalelaSvili 

adrec uWerda mxars. ramdenime wlis win 

saubrobdnen, rom vladimir putini mzad 

iyo, saqarTvelos pirvel pirs Sexvedroda. 

maSin TbilisSi ambavi atyda, Tu vin daelaparakeboda 

putins _ prezidenti margvelaSvili 

Tu premieri kvirikaSvili? 

SalelaSvilma maSin ganacxada, rom putinTan 

dialogi saWiro iyo da es dialogi 

aucileblad kvirikaSvils unda ewarmoebina. 

etyoba, diplomatia misi susti wertilia. 

cota xnis win informacia gavrcelda, 

rom mas ukrainaSi surda, saqarTvelos elCi 

gamxdariyo. 

SalelaSvili qarTul politikaSi, faqtobrivad, 

diplomatiuri skandaliT Semoi- 

Wra. farTo sazogadoebam is am ambiT gaicno. 

2017 wlis bolos man jer kidev premieris 

postze myof giorgi kvirikaSvils weriliT 

mimarTa da sTxova, rom saqarTvelos 

mxari daeWira ierusalimis israelis 

dedaqalaqad gamocxadebisTvis. 

SalelaSvili miiCnevda, rom saqarTvelos 

es gadawyvetileba saswrafo wesiT unda 

mieRo. 

am werilis Semdeg is saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis 

samsaxurSi daibares. susSi medias 

ganucxades, rom deputati maT ar 

daubarebiaT da is Tavisi nebiT mivida iq. 

susidan gamosulma deputatma ar ganmarta, 

Tu ratom imyofeboda specsamsaxuris 

SenobaSi. mxolod is Tqva, rom susSi werilis 

gamo ar misula. SoTa SalelaSvili skandalSi 

Svilmac gaxvia. misi Svili amerikuli 

bankebidan rusi hakerebis daxmarebioT 

fuls iparavda. 

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ratom esxmis Tavs èvropuli 

mas Semdeg, rac politikurad 


ganqorwindnen, maT Soris Tbili 

urTierToba arasodes yofila, 

anu „nacionalebi” da „evropelebi” erTmaneTisTvis faruli 

kvantis dadebaze uars arasodes ambobdnen. am kuTxiT gan- 

sakuTrebiT giga bokerias coli, Tamar CergoleiSvili aqti- 

urobda, Tumca bolo dros viTareba kidev ufro daiZaba da 

„nacmoZraobaze” ieriSi giga bokeriam, akaki boboxiZem da oTar 

kaxaZemac miitanes. es, erTi SexedviT, gasakviri ar unda iyos, 

radgan politikur kuluarebSi didi xania, dadis xma, rom 

„ocnebasa” da „evropelebs” Soris faruli kavSirebi arsebobs. 

metic, bokerias politikur gunds „evroqocebsac” ki eZaxian. 

yvelaferi es „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” warmomadgenlisTvis, 

Tbilisis sakrebulos deputat 

levan xabeiSvilisTvis, SeTqmulebis 

Teoriaa, Tumca „qroni- 

ka+”-sTan saubrisas adasturebs, 

rom „evropuli saqarTvelos” 

mxridan gaerTianebul opozi- 

ciasa da, kerZod, „nacmoZraobaze” 

Tavdasxma „ocnebis” wisqvilze 

asxams wyals! amis miuxedavad, 

levan xabeiSvili ganmartavs, rom 

axla opoziciam yvela pirad wy- 

enaze uari unda Tqvas da qveynis 

interesebidan gamomdinare imo- 

qmedos. es interesi ki, rogorc 

xabeiSvili ambobs, „ocnebis” xe- 

lisuflebidan gaSvebaa! 

sxvaTa Soris, „qronika+~-ma 

SemTxveviT isargebla da xabeiS- 

vils imis Sesaxebac hkiTxa, api- 

rebs Tu ara gaerTianebuli opozicia 

mamuka xazaraZesTan Tanam- 

Sromlobas? imas, Tu ra gvipasuxa 

Cvenma respondentma am kiTxvaze, 

winamdebare interviudan Seity- 

obT: 

_ levan, gaerTianebuli opozi- 

cia da „evropuli saqarTvelo” 

erTmaneTs ratom eqiSpeba, Tqven 

Soris Savma katam ratom gairbi- 

na? 

_ es Tema nakleb mniSvnelovania, 

magram radgan Tqven gainteresebT, 

visaubroT. samwuxarod, 

opoziciis erTi mxare, am SemTxvevaSi, 

„evropuli saqarTvelo”, 

giga bokerias xelmZRvanelobiT, 

cdilobs, gaerTianebul opoziciaze 

ieriSi miitanos, rac aranormaluri 

mgonia, miT umetes, am 

pirobebSi. 

_ „am pirobebSi” ras gulisx- 

mobT? 

_ korumpirebul, politikurad 

da moralurad absoluturad 

nulze myof xelisuflebas xalx- 

Si aranairi mxardaWera ar gaaCnia. 

am dros opoziciis gaTiTokaceba 

da erTmaneTze Tavdasxma biZina 

ivaniSvilisTvis saCuqaria! Sesabamisad, 

yvela adamiani, politikuri 

gaerTianeba Tu sazogadoebrivi 

jgufi, visac unda, rom isrebi, magaliTad, 

mixeil saakaSvilsa da 

mis gamonaTqvamebze an „erTian nacionalur 

moZraobaze” gadaitanos, 

nebsiT Tu uneblieT, biZina 

ivaniSvilisa da xelisuflebis 

wisqvilze asxams wyals! saerTod, 

ar mgonia, rom iseTi gamocdili 

politikosebi, rogorebic bokeria, 

boboxiZe da Zmani maTni arian, 

yvelafer amas SemTxveviT akeTebdnen. 

mokled, rom ara „evropuli 

saqarTvelos” Tavdasxma, araferi 

iqneboda, Tumca simarTle giTxraT, 

ver amovxseni, es Tavdasxma 

ras emsaxureba? iciT, rogori 

situaciaa? _ ai, ufrosTan bavSvi 

rom gaWinWyldeba da Sars eZebs, 

yvelaferi amas hgavs! am politikur 

realobaSi identobas kargaven 

da amitom qveynis interesebze 

maRla pirad interesebs ayeneben! 

_ levan, iqneb, yvelaferi es 

davalebaa, miT umetes, didi xania, 

dadis xma, rom „ocneba” cdilobs, 

xelisufleba „evropul saqarTve- 

los” gadaabaros? 

_ amasac getyviT. 

_ gismenT. 

_ erTia, me ras vfiqrob da, 

SesaZloa, am mimarTulebiTac 

vfiqrobde, magram meorea, sajarod 

ras vityvi, anu amas wina planze 

davayeneb Tu ara. TqvenTan interviuebSi 

bokeriasTan Cem damokidebulebaze 

misaubria, magram 

axla mTavari araa, bokeriasa da 

misi partiis mimarT me ra damokidebuleba 

maqvs, radgan bevrad 

mniSvnelovani amocanaa gadasaWreli, 

rac ivaniSvilis rusuli reJimis 

dasruleba da amis Semdeg Cveni 

qveynis winsvlaa. imasTan SedarebiT, 

rac qveyanaSi xdeba, bokerias 

wuxilebi yvelaze patara da puWura 

ambad mimaCnia! 

_ SeiZleba, magram Tu davuS- 

vebT, rom bokeria ivaniSvilis 

davalebas asrulebs, maSin? 

_ adamianebi daskvnas Cem gare- 

Sec gaakeTeben. giga bokeriam mixeil 

saakaSvils arafris gamo gauxsna 

cecxli. ise, pirdapir vTqvaT: 

amas „evropuli saqarTvelos” yvela 

wevri ar akeTebs! ase giga bokeria, 

kako boboxiZe, oTar kaxiZe da 

maTi „ideologiuri deda” _ Tamar 

CergoleiSvili iqcevian. sxva politikuri 

liderebi msgavs rameebs 

eridebian. amitom kargi iqneba, „evropulma 

saqarTvelom” gadaafasos, 

ra aris mniSvnelovani, Torem 

isrebis gadatana ivaniSvilis Tama- 

Sia! 

ar vici, amas davalebiT, yurSi 

CurCuliT akeTeben Tu uneblieT, 

magram faqtia: opozicia opozicias 

esxmis Tavs da es calsaxad 

ivaniSvilis wisqvilze wylis dasxmaa! 

sxvaTa Soris, elene xoStarias 

gansxvavebuli pozicia aqvs da, 

saerTod, rogorc vici, raionebSi 

Sexvedrebze dadioda da ambobda, 

partias vtoveb da moRvaweobis 

gagrZelebas damoukideblad vapirebo. 

mokled, faqtia, rom iq ukmayofileba 

aris, Tumca „evropul 

saqarTveloze” saubari ar minda. 

ubralod, Tamamad vambob, rom yvelafer 

amas bokeria, CergoleiSvili, 

boboxiZe da kaxiZe mizanmimarTulad 

akeTeben! 

_ asea Tu ise, es kinklaoba 

opoziciurad ganwyobil amom- 

rCevels abnevs. 

_ ra Tqma unda, kargi da normaluri 

ar aris, Tumca vimeoreb: 

levan xabeiSvili: 

`bokerias 

wuxilebi 

puWura ambad 

mimaCnia!~ 

CvenTvis yvelaze mniSvnelovani 

qveynis interesebia da piradze ar 

unda wavideT, Torem bokeria-TargamaZe-maWavarianTan 

gansxvavebuli 

Sexedulebebi yvelaze metad me 

maqvs da amaze sajarodac misaubria. 

sxvaTa Soris, kmayofili var, 

rom iseTi agresiuli bokeria, 

rogorsac bolo dros vuyurebT, 

„nacionalur moZraobasTan” afilirebuli 

ar aris! SeiZleba, calkeul 

sakiTxebze viTanamSromloT, 

magram calsaxad geubnebiT, rom 

`xazaraZem, praqtikulad, aRiara, rom 

winasaarCevnod ivaniSvilTan danaSaulebriv 

garigebaSi Sevida. aqedan gamomdinare, maqvs 

safuZveli, rom xazaraZis mimarT skeptikurad 

viyo ganwyobili, magram mis gundSi arian 

adamianebi, romlebTanac TanamSromloba, rig 

sakiTxebSi, ra Tqma unda, SesaZlebelia. Tu 

xazaraZe TamaSs iseve ar daiwyebs, rogorc, 

magaliTad, 2018 wels TamaSobda - erTi xeliT 

masze, Turme, zewola xorcieldeboda, meore 

xeliT ki gamodioda da ambobda, biznesSi 

renesansis xanaao. mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom 

Tu am brZolaSi xazaraZe gulwrfeli iqneba, ra 

Tqma unda, masTanac viTanamSromlebT!~ 

melia-xabeiSvil-dekanoiZe-udumaSvilisa 

da bokeria-boboxiZe- 

TargamaZe-maWavarianis partiebs 

Soris, ra Tqma unda, gansxvaveba 

aris! amitomac, 2018 wels adamianebma 

arCevani grigol vaSaZis 

sasargeblod gakeTes, romelic 

„nacionalur moZraobasac” warmoadgenda, 

anu gaerTianebulma 

opoziciam oTxjer meti mxardaWera 

miiRo, vidre giga bokeria-CergoleiSvilis 

kandidatma. aqedan 

gamomdinare, mgoni, sazogadoeba 

kargad xvdeba, rogori mniSvnelovania 

ara gansxvavebebze saubari, 

aramed _ gaerTianeba! 

ise, maTi upasuxismgeblo politikis 

gamo axla Cven am Temebze 

gviwevs saubari da ara _ imaze, Tu 

rogor unda davasruloT biZina 

ivaniSvili an imaze, Tu ra xdeboda 

zalkalianisa da ruseTis sagareo 

saqmeTa ministris Sexvedraze. 

sxvaTa Soris, qarTuli mxare 

sxva rames ambobs, rusuli ki _ 

sxvas. ise, sainteresoa, erTmaneTs 

saerTod ratom Sexvdnen? 

_ am SexvedraSi cudi ra aris? 

_ ruseTTan erTi-erTze darCena 

imas niSnavs, rom Cvens dasavlel 

megobrebsa da partniorebs veubnebiT, 

okupaciis mogvareba marto 

SegviZliao. roca teritoriebi okupirebulia 

da ukanono borderizacia 

mimdinareobs, Cveni qveynis 

interesebze Cven unda vifiqroT, 

anu Tu megobrebs ar vetyviT, 

Tqveni daxmarba gvWirdebao, isini, 

ra Tqma unda, gvetyvian, Tu molaparakeba 

SegiZlia, ki batono, 

ruseTs marto moelaparakeo. mokled, 

roca ambob, rom ruseTTan 

erTi-erTze molaparakeba SeiZleba, 

es ukve saxelmwifo interesebis 

Ralatia! 

_ levan, opoziciaSi arsebul 

ganxeTqilebaze swored am konteqstSi 

gelaparakebiT, anu 20 ivniss, 

roca gavrilovi parlamentis 

Tavmjdomaris savarZelSi Ca- 

jda, didi saprotesto muxti iyo, 

magram es muxti TandaTan minelda. 

maqvs informacia, rom opozicia 

am muxtis minavlebas „evropelebs” 

abralebs da, metic, Cer- 

goleiSvils, romelic, Turme, 

mitingze gamomsvlelTa sias ad- 

genda, bralic wauyenes. mokled, 

yvelaferi es gana, erT konteqst- 

Si ar unda ganvixiloT? 

_ gulwrfelad geubnebiT: im 

axalgazrdebma, romlebic sami Tve 

quCaSi idgnen, didi saqme gaakeTes! 

_ amaze arc me gekamaTebiT! 

_ ver davadastureb, rame ganxilvebi 

iyo Tu ara. isic calke sakiTxia, 

vinme sias adgenda Tu ara, 

magram es mniSvnelovani araa! Sei- 

Zleba, sxvadasxva mimarTulebaze 

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saqarTvelo~ `nacmoZraobas~? 

gansxvavebuli xedvebi gvaqvs, magram 

am axalgazrdebma, qarTvel 

xalxTan erTad, udidesi saqme gaakeTes. 

_ da es „udidesi saqme” ra 

aris? 

_ Tundac, proporciuli 

arCevnebi, anu am axalgazrdebma 

procesi garkveul donemde miiyvanes 

da amisTvis Zalian didi madloba. 

sxvaTa Soris, minda, rom es 

axalgazrdebi ivaniSvilis xelisuflebis 

gaSvebaSic CaerTon, amitom 

ar Sevdivar im SeTqmulebis 

TeoriaSi, rom, magaliTad, aqcia 

vinmes okupirebuli hqonda. ki batono, 

mesmis, rom am Temas sazogadoeba 

ganixilavs, magram amaze 

mniSvnelovani problemebi gvaqvs. 

bolos da bolos, oficialurad 

moZalade premieri dagviniSnes _ 

diax, filmis gadaRebac SeiZleba 

imaze, rom gaxaria moZalade damnaSavea, 

kerzaias mkvlelobidan 

dawyebuli xazaraZis ambiT damTavrebuli. 

ise, xazaraZeze SeiZleba, 

didi warmodgena ar maqvs, magram 

faqtia, rom es kaci Ss yofil ministrs 

pirdapir adebs xels da ambobs, 

rom masze Zaladobda. amas 

garda, gaxariam 20 ivnisis aqciaze 

Zala gamoiyena. 

mokled, saqarTvelos ruseTis 

mier arCeuli da gavrilov-putinis 

mier mowonebuli premieri 

hyavs, romelsac danaSaulebebi 

aqvs Cadenili da am dros cecxli 

opozicias gavuxsna da magaliTad, 

Tamar CergoleiSvili Sevafaso, 

romelsac, albaT, saxlSic ar 

afaseben, saintereso ar iqneba! 

sxvaTa Soris, CergoleiSvilma 

yvelaze metad TviTon icis, rom 

saintereso ar aris da amitom cdilobs, 

disonansi Semoitanos da 

amiT yuradReba miiqcios! 

_ levan, CergoleiSvilze 

saubris gagrZelebas arc me va- 

pireb, amitom, rasac gkiTxavT, 

pirdapir mipasuxeT: opoziciam 

midgoma xom ar unda Secvalos da, 

okupaciis paralelurad, sxva aqtualuri 

Temebic xom ar unda wa- 

moswios wina planze? iciT, amas 

ratom gekiTxebiT? _ gamokiTxve- 

bis mixedviT, teritoriuli 

mTlianobis sakiTxi ukana planzea 

gadasuli. 

_ samwuxaroa, rom es Tema minelda, 

rac saxelmwifo politikis 

bralicaa. adamianebs, ubralod, 

SiaT. ise, wina xelisuflebis dros 

teritoriuli mTlianoba nomer 

pirveli problema iyo, miuxedavad 

imisa, rom socialuri problemebi 

maSinac arsebobda, Tumca ara ase- 

Ti simZafriT. 

mokled, axla adamianebs pirveladi 

moxmarebis problemebi aqvT, 

rac SimSilsa da ekonomikas ukav- 

Sirdeba. ai, amis Semdeg modis teritoriuli 

mTlianobis problema. 

es, vimeoreb, saxelmwifos politikis 

bralia, anu adamianebi TviTgadarCenaze 

fiqroben! 

_ hoda, aqedan gamomdinare, 

opoziciam „mesijboqsi” xom ar 

unda Secvalos? 

_ adamianebis motyueba ar miyvars 

da vcdilob, gulwrfeli 

politikosi viyo, amitom opoziciis 

taqtikazec Riad getyviT: diax, 

opoziciis strategia bevri mimarTulebiT 

Sesacvlelia da amaze 

samuSaoa! 

opozicias, ra Tqma unda, bevri 

Secdoma hqonda. 

ìse, xazaraZeze SeiZleba, didi warmodgena ar maqvs, magram faqtia, rom es 

kaci Ss yofil ministrs pirdapir adebs xels da ambobs, rom masze 

Zaladobda. amas garda, gaxariam 20 ivnisis aqciaze Zala gamoiyena. mokled, 

saqarTvelos ruseTis mier arCeuli da gavrilov-putinis mier mowonebuli 

premieri hyavs, romelsac danaSaulebebi aqvs Cadenili da am dros cecxli 

opozicias gavuxsna da magaliTad, Tamar CergoleiSvili Sevafaso, 

romelsac, albaT, saxlSic ar afaseben, saintereso ar iqneba!~ 

_ mainc, ra Secdoma? 

_ magaliTad, SegveZlo, rom 

konkretul situaciaSi ufro moqnilad 

da sworad gvemoqmeda. sxvaTa 

Soris, me, rogorc opoziciis 

warmomadgeneli, am uTavmoyvareo 

xelisuflebis gamo pasuxismgeblobas 

vgrnob! 

_ xelisuflebis gamo pasux- 

ismgeblobas Tqven ratom 

grZnobT? 

_ es upasuxismgeblo xelisufleba 

Cveni samSoblos interesebs 

yoveldRiurad azianebs da imazec, 

rom „ocneba” isev xelisuflebaSia, 

diax, pasuxismgeblobas vgrZnob, 

Tumca mec da Cemi kolegebic mzad 

varT, ufro efeqtianad vimuSaoT 

da es procesi swrafad davasruloT! 

xom vnaxeT, SewyalebebTan dakavSirebiT 

rac xdeba, magram gasakviri 

araa, radgan kriminalebTan 

garigebuli xelisufleba kriminalebTan 

iTanamSromlebs da es orjer 

ori oTxia! yvelafers Tavi 

rom davaneboT, Tavad ivaniSvilic 

kriminalia _ marto saydrisis 

afeTqeba da „gavrilovis Rames” 

gacemuli davalebebi rad Rirs! 

_ riT amtkicebT, rom 20 ivniss, 

aqciis daSlis dros, davalebebs 

ivaniSvili gascemda? 

_ daakvirdiT: igive proporciul 

arCevnebze premierma an sxva 

Tanamdebobis pirma ki ara, ivaniSvilma 

Tqva. 

_ diax, ase iyo, magram es, Cemi 

azriT, arcTu myari argumentia. 

ise, ambobT, es procesi droze 

unda dasruldeso da ra, 2020-is 

arCevnebs ar unda davelodoT? 

_ xelisufleba, nebismier 

SemTxvevaSi, arCevnebiT Seicvleba. 

sxvaTa Soris, xelisuflebam am 

wlebis ganmavlobaSi sityva „revoluciaze” 

xalxs iseTi gancda 

gauCina, rom es TiTqos katastrofaa, 

romelmac saxelmwifo SeiZleba, 

daangrios. 

_ revolucia kargi, marTlac, 

ar aris! 

_ ukacravad, magram is, rac somxeTSi 

moxda, revolucia iyo, romelic 

Semdeg arCevnebiT deklarirda! 

mokled, somxeTSi gansakuTebuli 

araferi momxdara da isic, 

rac moldovaSi moxda, revolucia 

iyo, riTac oligarqis mmarTveloba, 

praqtikuald, dasrulda. 

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia? 

_ xelisuflebis Sesacvlelad 

konstituciiT sxvadasxva berketia 

gaTvaliswinebuli, maT Soris, saxalxo 

aqciebi, rasac, SesaZloa, vadamdeli 

arCevnebi moyves! 

_ am msjelobaSi logika, cxa- 

dia, aris, magram somxeTis e. w. 

ès upasuxismgeblo xelisufleba Cveni 

samSoblos interesebs yoveldRiurad azianebs 

da imazec, rom òcneba~ isev xelisuflebaSia, 

diax, pasuxismgeblobas vgrZnob, Tumca mec da 

Cemi kolegebic mzad varT, ufro efeqtianad 

vimuSaoT da es procesi swrafad davasruloT! 

xom vnaxeT, SewyalebebTan dakavSirebiT rac 

xdeba, magram gasakviri araa, radgan 

kriminalebTan garigebuli xelisufleba 

kriminalebTan iTanamSromlebs da es orjer 

ori oTxia! yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT, 

Tavad ivaniSvilic kriminalia - marto 

saydrisis afeTqeba da `gavrilovis Rames~ 

gacemuli davalebebi rad Rirs!~ 

revolucias paSiniani Caudga saT- 

aveSi, Cven ki paSiniani, anu iseTi 

opoziciuri lideri, visac xalxi 

upirobod gahyveba, ar gvyavs! 

_ paSiniani didi xnis politikosia, 

didi gza gaiara da, saboloo 

jamSi, is moxda, rac moxda, 

anu paSiniani cidan uceb ar Camovardnila! 

arCevnebis lodini, rom 

es aucileblad 2020-Si moxdeba, 

danaSaulia 

_ anu? 

_ 2020 wlis oqtombramde xelebi 

unda CamovuSvaT? _ ara! me, 

rogorc saqarTvelos moqalaqe, 

vgrnob, rom „ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi 

yofnis yoveli wami da wuTi 

problemaa, amitom unda vibrZoloT, 

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisufleba 

rac SeiZleba, male 

damTavrdes da yvelaferi es, ra 

Tqma unda, arCevnebiT moxdes! 

_ levan, Tqveni survili 

gasagebia, magram yvelafers prag- 

matulad SevxedoT da miTxariT, 

xedavT sazogadoebis mzaobas, 

rom opozicias gahyves? 

_ marTalia, saprezidento 

arCevnebiT mTavroba ar icvleboda 

da es yvelam kargad icoda, 

Zaladobisa da teroris miuxedavad, 

opoziciam, praqtikulad, imdeni 

xma miiRo, 2016 wlis saprezidento 

arCevnebSi „ocnebas” sakonstitucio 

umravlesoba moutana, 

anu maSin „ocnebam” 800 aTasi xma 

aiRo, opoziciam ki gasuli wlis 

saprezidento arCevnebze 900 aTasze 

meti xma aiRo! 

mokled, ver dageTanxmebiT, 

rom sazogadoeba mzad araa. piriqiT, 

mgonia, rom sazogadoeba imaze 

metadac ki aris mzad, vidre, vTqvaT, 

opozicia iyo momzadebuli! 

aqedan gamomdinare, mniSvnelovania, 

rom opozicia mtkice da 

erTiani iyos! piradi dapirispireba 

da boRma unda gadavdoT. am 

gansxvavebebze saubari mas Semdeg 

SeiZleba, rac ivaniSvili xelisuflebaSi 

aRar iqneba! 

_ sxvaTa Soris, „ocnebis” xeli- 

suflebidan gaSveba, magaliTad, 

nino burjanaZesac surs, anu unda 

velodoT, rom am miznisTvis opo- 

ziciis yvela frTa gaerTiandeba? 

_ maxsovs, qalbatoni nino 

putinTan. memoriali yvavilebiTac 

Seamko. es usaSinelesi kadri iyo, 

romelic ar damaviwydeba! Sesabamisad, 

prorusul ZalebTan Tanam- 

Sromlobaze saubaric ki zedmetia! 

rac Seexeba prodasavlur 

Zalebs, mec, mixeil saakaSvilic da, 

saerTod, gaerTianebuli opozicia 

maTTan saTanamSromlod mzad 

varT! 

_ mamuka xazaraZesTanac iTanamSromlebT? 

sxvaTa Soris, mavanni 

xaZaraZesac, ivaniSvilis ms- 

gavsad, oligarqad miiCneven da 

amboben, rom qarTul politikaSi 

oligarqatis dro unda dasrul- 

des. aseve arsebobs mosazreba, 

rom xazaraZis politikaSi Semos- 

vla ivaniSvils aZlierebs. amaze 

ras ityviT, levan? 

_ xazaraZem pirdapir eTerSi 

konkretul kriminalze isaubra, 

anu Tqva, kabinetSi dagvibares da 

biznesze iZaladeso. 

_ mere? 

_ Tu gainteresebT, Cemi subieqturi 

damokidebuleba aseTia: xazaraZem, 

praqtikulad, aRiara, rom 

winasaarCevnod ivaniSvilTan danaSaulebriv 

garigebaSi Sevida. aqedan 

gamomdinare, maqvs safuZveli, 

rom xazaraZis mimarT skeptikurad 

viyo ganwyobili, magram mis gund- 

Si arian adamianebi, romlebTanac 

TanamSromloba, rig sakiTxebSi, ra 

Tqma unda, SesaZlebelia. 

Tu xazaraZe TamaSs iseve ar 

daiwyebs, rogorc, magaliTad, 2018 

wels TamaSobda _ erTi xeliT 

masze, Turme, zewola xorcieldeboda, 

meore xeliT ki gamodioda 

da ambobda, biznesSi renesansis 

xanaao. mokled, imis Tqma minda, 

rom Tu am brZolaSi xazaraZe gulwrfeli 

iqneba, ra Tqma unda, mas- 

Tanac viTanamSromlebT! 

_ ise, levan gamoricxavT, rom 

bolo wuTs xazaraZem politi- 

kuri partiis Seqmna gadaifiqros 

da Tqvas, mTel Cems finansur da 

adamianur resurss „evropul 

saqarTvelos” movaxmaro? sxvaTa 

Soris, am versias kuluarebSi 

ukve aqtiurad ganixilaven... 

_ xazaraZis nacvlad ver gipasuxebT, 

Tumca politikaSi arafers 

gamovricxav! magaliTad, 2013- 

2014 wels CemTvis vinmes rom eTqva, 

mova dro da eka beselias mimarT 

solidaruli iqnebio, gamecineboda, 

Tumca axla es moxda. mokled, 

politikaSi varT da arafers 

gamovricxav! 

yvelaferi im SemTxvevaSi unda 

daviviwyoT, Tu es Cveni samSoblos 

interesebs sWirdeba, Tumca adamianebis 

grZnobebiT manipulirebis 

saSualeba aravis unda mivceT! 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, me ase var! 

_ beselias mimarT ki xarT 

solidaruli, magram „ocnebis” 

qmedebebze pasuxismgebloba, gana, 

masac ar ekisreba? 

_ ra Tqma unda, ekisreba! am 

adamians moraluri terori mouwyves 

da mis mimarT solidaruli am 

kuTxiT var, Tumca misi politikuri 

qmedebebisa da saqcielis 

solidaruli verasodes viqnebi, 

radgan im rusuli xelisuflebisa 

da sasamarTlo sistemis Tanamonawilea, 

romelic ivaniSvilma 

Camoayaliba! 

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saqarTvelos mravlismnaxvel 

parlaments uamravi Cxubi unaxavs, 

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magram jer ar yofila SemTxveva, 

rom qal kanonmdebels mamakaci kolega mieCeqmos. wina kviras 

es tabu dairRva _ eka beseliam vano zardiaSvils saxeSi gli- 

ja. deputatebisa da sazogadoebis didi nawili miiCnevs, rom 

eka beselia sworad moiqca. beselias marjvenas uqebs „qarTuli 

marSis” lideri sandro bregaZec. misi TqmiT, qalma depu- 

tatma zardiaSvils e. w. padleci damsaxurebulad aartya. 

Tqvenc da mkiTxvelsac igives 

girCevT. gaxsovT, albaT, rom me 

„aRorZinebis” wevri viyavi. isic 

gaxsovT, Tu ra mwvave gancxadebebs 

akeTebda es partia SevardnaZis 

mimarT. mere gairkva, rom 

isini erTad iyvnen da erTad 

apirebdnen brZolas. amis Sesaxeb 

gvian gavige da „aRorZineba” 

davtove. 

politikaSi aseTi speqtaklebi 

xSirad idgmeba da zogjer 

dapirispireba sulac ar niSnavs 

dapirispirebas. 

kidev erTxel geubnebiT, rom 

am konfliqtSi „ocneba” da 

ivaniSvili eka beselias mxares 

arian. 

dapirispireba, romelic dRes 

mmarTvel gundSia, mosamarTleebis 

gamo daiwyo. am mosamarTleebis 

didi nawili yvela xelisuflebis 

yurmoWrili mona iyo. 

maTi umetesoba vano zardiaSvilTan 

aris dakavSirebuli. es 

ukanaskneli, Tavis mxriv, zurab 

adeiSvilis xelis biWi da mosamarTleebis 

kuratori iyo. 

mosamarTleebis sia Zalian 

didi dapirispirebis dasawyisia. 

am adamianebis mosamarTleebad 

yofna, ubralod, sircxvilia. 

maT or bats ar mivabarebdi. maT 

rogor SeiZleba, adamianis bedi 

gadawyviton?! amas seriozuli 

gagrZeleba moyveba. SegiZliaT 

CaTvaloT, rom beselias xeliT 

zardiaSvils „padleci” biZina 

ivaniSvilmac aartya da mas Tavisi 

adgili miuCina. 

Cven isic gvegona, rom giorgi 

kvirikaSvili „ocnebis” lideris 

kaci iyo, magram gairkva, rom ase 

ar yofila. kidev bevrze gavigebT, 

rom ivaniSvilis kaci ar 

yofila. 

mmarTvel partiaSi iseTi procesebi 

midis, rom am partias 

Zalian bevri datovebs. aqamdec 

wamovidodnen, magram aravis awy- 

sandro bregaZe: 

`saparlamento 

ratom uqeben eka beselias 

marjvenas? ra bedi elis zard- 

iaSvils da e. w. axali saxeebis 

gunds? vin Seadgens saarCevno 

sias „ocnebaSi”? riT aSantaJebda 

giorgi kvirikaSvili „ocneb- 

is” liders? vin isargebla 

gavrilovis TbilisSi Camosv- 

liT? _ am Temebze „qronika+”-s 

sandro bregaZe esaubreba: 

_ Tqven xSirad ambobdiT, 

rom, adre Tu gvian, „ocnebis” 

Zvel da axal saxeebs Soris seriozuli 

dapirispireba daiwye- 

boda. warmoidgendiT, rom isi- 

ni erTmaneTs fizikurad 

daupirispirdebodnen? gasul 

kviras „Zvelma 

Zvelma” beseliam „axal 

axal” 

zardiaSvils gaulawuna. 

_ es imasTan SedarebiT Jurnalia, 

rac win gvelodeba. me is 

mikvirs, am orma frTam rogor 

SeZlo umravlesobis SenarCuneba. 

isini dasanaxavad ver itanen 

erTmaneTs. mosamarTleebis Tema 

„qarTul ocnebaSi” seriozul 

ganxeTqilebas Seitans. amis gamo 

ukve ramdenimem datova „ocneba”. 

Cems xelT arsebuli informaciiT, 

mmarTveli gundis Zveli 

Semadgenloba mxars ar dauWers 

am mosamarTleebs. yvela Tu ara, 

nawili mainc wava winaaRmdegi. 

ar dagaviwydeT is, rom saparlamento 

arCevnebamde erT welze 

cota meti dro darCa da male 

saarCevno siis formireba daiwyeba. 

aseT dros ki yvela partia- 

Si matulobs daZabuloba. 

saarCevno siaSi vano zardiaSvilsa 

da mis megobrebs aravin 

aRar Casvams. es maT mSvenivrad 

ician, magram bedTan Segueba ar 

surT da ibrZvian, raTa kvlav 

iyvnen saqarTvelos parlamentSi. 

sakanonmdeblo organoSi moxvedra 

aseve undaT „ocnebis” sxvadasxva 

gundis wevrebs. maT 

Soris ganxeTqileba gardauvalia. 

iseTi ambebi wava, beseliazardiaSvilis 

Cxubi monagoni 

iqneba. 

_ beselia aRar aris „ocnebis” 

wevri, is iqidan ianvarSi wa- 

movida. 

_ mere ra! mas mmarTvel gund- 

Si bevrad meti mxardamWeri dar- 

Ca, vidre _ vano zardiaSvils. 

_ es maT Soris momxdari 

bolo incidentis Semdegac 

gamoCnda _ meocnebeTa didi nawili 

Riad uWerda mxars eka be- 

selias. 

_ sofo kilaZis, anri oxanaSvilis, 

daviT maTikaSvilisa da 

mamuka mdinaraZis garda, zardiaSvili 

arc aravin daicva. es 

ukanaskneli nacemi deputatis 

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naTesavia da iZulebuli iyo, mxardaWera 

gamoexata. 

simarTle giTxraT, cota 

araseriozulad meCveneba, roca 

deputatebi mamakac kolegas 

qalisgan icaven. 

ramdenadac vici, saparlamento 

umravlesobis umravlesoba, 

_ Sen genacvale, xelebSi ekao, _ 

gaiZaxoda, rodesac uyurebda 

zardiaSvilis cemis faqts. 

_ ase Tu gauxardaT misi cema, 

Tavad ecemaT, raRa qals mian- 

des amis gakeTeba? 

_ magaze verafers getyviT. 

beseliam kolegebis mxardaWera 

imiT daimsaxura, rom is gamocdili 

Zveli biWiviT moiqca. man 

e. w. padleci aartya vano zardiaSvils. 

„padlecis” artyma mamakacisTvis 

yvelaze damamcirebeli 

dartymaa. cxvir-pirSi xelukuRma 

gartymas jobia, uro Cagartyan 

TavSi. beseliam bolomde daamcira 

kolega da mas „padleci” 

aartya. „padleci” naZiralas ni- 

Snavs da ase naZiralebs urtyamen 

xolme. 

vano zardiaSvili qalma kolegam 

erTi dartmiT moraluradac 

gaanadgura da politikuradac. 

imedi maqvs, is da misi 

garemocva axla mainc Sewyveten 

intrigebis xlarTvas. 

_ saqarTvelos parlamentSi 

Cxubi axali ambavi ar aris. ise- 

Ti cema-tyepa yofila, sisxlic 

ki daRvrila, magram moCxubari 

depuatatebisTvis mandatis CamorTmevis 

sakiTxi dRis wesrig- 

Si ar damdgara. eka beselias ki 

amis gakeTebas sTxoven. beselia 

rom kaci yofiliyo da qali 

kolega ecema, kidev gavigebdi, 

magram am SemTxvevaSi cota uc- 

nauria es moTxovna. 

_ amas did mniSvnelobas nu 

mivaniWebT. am iniciativiT zardiaSvilis 

garemocva gamovida. es 

maT aravaJkacur bunebas usvams 

xazs. ras niSnavs, Cxubis gamo 

deputatma parlamenti datovos? 

aseTi rame saqarTvelos parlamentSi 

arasdros momxdara. 

ase Tu dgas sakiTxi, maSin parlamentis 

mTeli Semadgenloba 

gasayrelia. sakanonmdeblo organoSi 

Cxubi Cveulebrivi ambavia. 

da es marto saqarTveloSi 

ar xdeba. ukrainis radaSi kvira 

ise ar gava, erTmaneTi ar daasisxlianon. 

Cxubi kargi ar aris, magram 

amis gamo deputats mandati ar 

unda daatovebino. vis gaugia, 

adamiani parlamentidan „padlecis” 

artymis gamo gaagdo?! ase 

umravlesobis 

90% saarCevno 

siaSi veRar 

moxvdeba~ 

Zalian Tu undaT beselias gagdeba, 

maSin kenWisyraze daayenon 

es sakiTxi da naxaven, ramdeni 

dauWers mxars misTvis deputatis 

uflebamosilebis Sewyvetas. 

SemiZlia, axlave giTxraT, rom 

saparlamento umravlesobis 90% 

ar dauWers mxars eka beseliasTvis 

deputatis uflebamosilebis 

SeCerebas mxars. 

_ amas arc maSin gaakeTeben, 

Tu amas biZina ivaniSvili moiTx- 

ovs? 

_ darwmunebuli iyaviT, rom 

deputatebs ivaniSvili amis gakeTebas 

ar mosTxovs. me ara mgonia, 

rom eka beselia „ocnebis” 

liderisgan Zalian Sors iyos 

wasuli. darwmunebuli var, maT 

sakmaod kargi da axlo urTier- 

Toba aqvT. 

„ocnebidan” wasuli beseliaa 

ivaniSvilis kaci Tu „ocnebaSi” 

darCenili zardiaSvili, es jer 

kidev sakiTxavia. am kiTxvas pasuxi 

gazafxulze gaecema. 

_ ambobT, maT Soris kargi 

urTierTobaao da Tu asea, ratom 

gamolanZRa beseliam ivaniS- 

vili? aqamde mis kritikas erideboda, 

zardiaSvilTan momxdari 

incidentis Semdeg ki „ocnebis” 

liders Riad daupir- 

ispirda. 

_ me am gancxadebebs did mniSvnelobas 

ar mivaniWebdi da 

`kvirikaSvilma 

ivaniSvilis 

daSantaJeba scada~ 

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kabinetSi unda daikidos!~ 

obs saparlamento umravlesobis 

daSla. arCevnebamde parlamentSi 

xelovnur umravlesobas Seinar- 

Cuneben, mere ki didi ambebi daiwyeba. 

imis garantias gaZlevT, rom 

zardiaSvili, mdinaraZe da e. w. 

axali saxeebi „ocnebis” saarCevno 

siaSi ver moxvdebian. amas 

Tavadac kargad grZnoben da amitomac 

iqcevian tyeSi dakarguli 

mxecebiviT. 

aTasgvar intrigas xlarTaven, 

rom partiis liders gadawyvetileba 

Seacvlevinon, magram 

amis Sansi Zalian dabalia. ivaniSvilma 

icis, rom misi partiis 

reitingi isedac daeca da zardiaSvilis 

droSiT Tu gamova „ocneba”, 

saerTod dakargaven xalxis 

mxardaWeras. 

_ saarCevno siis formireba 

axseneT da amas, albaT, isev 

ivaniSvili gaakeTebs. 

_ ra Tqma unda. saboloo 

gadawyvetilebas is miiRebs. am 

siaSi seriozulad iqneba gaTvaliswinebuli 

premier giorgi gaxarias 

interesebi. aseve gaiTvaliswineben 

kaxa kalaZisa da irakli 

RaribaSvilis interesebsac. 

visi interesic ar unda oyos 

am siis Sedgenisas, iq zardiaSvili 

veRar moxvdeba, radgan 

ivaniSvils eka beseliaze metad 

es pirovneba ar mosdis TvalSi. 

ramdenjerme „ocnebis” liders 

isic ki aqvs naTqvami, es kaci parlamentSi 

vin moiyvana, vin gauwia 

rekomendaciao? 

_ sainteresoa, visi rekomendaciiT 

moxvda is saarCevno sia- 

Si da Semdeg parlamentSi? 

_ Tavisi axloblis, mamuka 

mdinaraZis rekomendaciiT. Tavad 

mdinaraZe irakli kobaxiZis 

rekomendaciiT moxvda sakanonmdeblo 

organoSi. ambobs, sufraze 

vnaxe kobaxiZe da iq SemomTavaza, 

„ocnebaSi” wamodio. 

_ sufra da taSfanduri rad 

undoda amis saTqmelad, eg da 

kobaxiZe jgufelebi arian. 

_ jgufelebi rom arian, magitomac 

moiyvana es xalxi parlamentSi. 

am gunds „ocnebaSi” veravin 

itans. 

_ bolo xanebSi mdinaraZe da 

kobaxiZe aRar aqtiuroben, 

raRacnairad gayursulebi ari- 

an da ra xdeba? 

_ imitom arian Cumad, rom ar 

surT, xalxma maTac esrolos 

talaxi. bolo incidenti arc ki 

SeufasebiaT. kobaxiZe „ocnebaze” 

Zalian aris gabrazebuli, gansakuTrebiT 

TalakvaZes ver itans 

dasanaxad. amitomac aris Cumad. 

_ TalakvaZes ratom ver 

itans? 

_ raRa ratom, faqtobrivad, 

spikeris savarZeli gamoacala 

qveSidan. saqarTveloSi gavrilovis 

CamosvliT erTaderTma 

kacma ixeira. es erTaderTi kaci 

arCil TalakvaZea. man gavrilovis 

suraTi unda daikidos kabinetSi. 

is kaci saqarTvelos parlamentis 

spikeris savarZelSi 

`sofo kilaZis, anri oxanaSvilis, daviT maTikaSvilisa da mamuka mdinaraZis 

garda, zardiaSvili arc aravin daicva. es ukanaskneli nacemi deputatis 

naTesavia da iZulebuli iyo, mxardaWera gamoexata. simarTle giTxraT, cota 

araseriozulad meCveneba, roca deputatebi mamakac kolegas qalisgan icaven. 

ramdenadac vici, saparlamento umravlesobis umravlesoba, - Sen genacvale, 

xelebSi ekao, - gaiZaxoda, rodesac uyurebda zardiaSvilis cemis faqts~ 

rom ar Camjdariyo, TalakvaZe 

verasdros eRisreboda am maRal 

Tanamdebobas. 

„ocnebaSi” tyuilad hgonia 

vinmes, rom raki is ivaniSvilis 

garemocvad iTvleba, mas veravin 

Seexeba. ivaniSvils Zalian axlo 

naTesavebic ki mouSorebia, roca 

maT gadacdena hqondaT. is miT 

umetes ar daindobs Tavisi politikuri 

gundis wevrebs, romlebsac 

xeirianad arc ki icnobs. 

_ im fonze, roca kobaxiZe 

miyuCda, gia volski Zalian gaaq- 

tiurda. garda aqtiurobisa is 

Zalze agresiuli gaxda. riT 

xsniT mis agresias, egec siis 

miRma xom ar rCeba? 

_ erTma Cemma megobarma miTxra, 

bolo xanebSi volski „volki” 

gaxdao. marTla ar vici, gias 

ra daemarTa. Zalian aris gaafTrebuli. 

arada, aqamde is Tavisi 

diplomatiurobiT gamoirCeoda. 

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gaafTrebisTvis, etyoba, ra- 

Rac mizezebi aqvs. albaT, masac 

unda kidev erTxel moxvdes parlamentSi. 

dRes vinc saparlamento 

umravlesobaSia, yvelas unda, 

rom momaval parlamentSi moipovos 

adgili. 

ramdenadac vici, „ocnebis” 

saarCevno siis 90% sul axali 

saxeebiT dakompleqtdeba. Zvelebidanac 

moxvdebian viRacebi, 

magram zardiaSvils, mdinaraZes, 

TalakvaZes, kobaxiZesa da kilaZes 

amis Sansi, faqtobrivad, ar 

aqvT. 

_ arada, es gundi akon- 

trolebs dRes parlaments. 

_ ar daijeroT. maT aravin 

arafers ekiTxeba. egRa aklia 

ivaniSvils, magaT gaakontrolebinos 

rame. 

_ kvirikaSvilisa da maTi 

brZola „axlebis” gamarjvebiT 

dasrulda da rogor arafers 

`beseliasa da 

ivaniSvilis 

dapirispireba blefia~ 

warmoadgenen? 

_ kvirikaSvils rom ar 

mieqara, es gundi mas verafers 

daaklebda. yofilma premierma 

sakuTar Tavs Tavad gauCaliCa. 

man iseTi raRacebi akeTa, rom 

misi mTavrobis meTaurad datoveba 

aRar SeiZleboda. 

_ ra akeTa amisTana? 

_ sanam gamoZiebiT ar dadgindeba, 

vinmesTvis ramis dabraleba 

ar minda, magram bevrs saubroben 

imaze, rom misi premierobis 

dros 700 milioni dolari 

gaqra. 

misi gagdebis mTavari mizezi 

arc gamqrali milionebi yofila. 

simarTle Tu gindaT, is mTavrobidan 

mamuka xazaraZis gamo 

gaagdes. es yvelaferi Cem Tvalwin 

moxda. 

_ ra moxda Tqven Tvalwin? 

_ bevri ramis momswre var, 

magram am SemTxvevaSi imas mogaxsenebT, 

rac kvirikaSvils exeba. 

is xazaraZis gamo gariya ivaniSvilma. 

kvirikaSvilma yvelaferi 

gaakeTa imisTvis, rom anakliis 

proeqtSi mamuka xazaraZes gaemarjva. 

arada, es proeqti sxvas 

unda moego. ase iyo, Turme, gadawyvetili. 

rodesac anakliis portis 

proeqtis gamarjvebuli gamoacxades, 

xelisuflebis maRalCinosnis 

kabinetSi vijeqi. im adamianis 

vinaobas ar davasaxeleb, magram 

getyviT, rom is „ocnebis” 

liderTan Zalian daaxloebuli 

adamiania da gadawyvetilebebis 

mimRebTa xuTeulSi Sedis. 

roca gamarjvebulis vinaoba 

gamoacxades, es kaci Cem Tvalwin 

wamoxta da iyvira: vaime, axla 

vano gadaireva da amas mamukas da 

kvirikaSvils ar apatiebso. 

Tavidan ver mivxvdi, romel 

vanoze iyo saubari. jer vano 

merabiSvili megona, magram gamaxsenda, 

rom is cixeSia. 

roca Cemi ZalebiT ver mivxvdi, 

vin vanoze iyo saubari, am 

kacs vkiTxe. miTxra, vano CxartiSvilze 

vlaparakob, mas undoda, 

rom es proeqti moegoo. 

miTxra, am gaugebrobas didi ambebi 

moyvebao. 

kargad maxsovs misi erTi 

frazac. Tqva, xazaraZis gamarjveba 

niSnavs, rom kvirikaSvilma 

biZinas gadaabijao. 

_ anu biZina ivaniSvili Cxar- 

tiSvils lobirebda? 

_ rogorc Cemma axlobelma 

miTxra, biZinasTan xazaraZis gamarjveba 

SeTanxmebuli ar iyo. 

ivaniSvilma icoda, rom anakliis 

portis proeqti vano CxartiSvils 

unda moegoo. 

kvirikaSvili amas garantiebis 

gareSe ver gabedavda. man garantiebi 

amerikaSi miiRo da CxartiSvilic 

anakliis portidan 

CaaCoCes. 

Tamamad SemiZlia giTxraT, 

rom sinamdvileSi es ambavi gaxda 

giorgi kvirikaSvilis premierobidan 

gaSvebis safuZveli. 

„ocnebis” liderma mas arc is 

apatia, rom mis zurgsukan daiwyo 

TamaSi. kvirikaSvili ivaniSvilis 

SantaJsac ar erideboda. 

_ ranairad an riT aSantaJeb- 

da? 

_ im Sexvedraze, sadac kvirikaSvilis 

gadayenebis sakiTxi 

gadawyda, man ivaniSvils aseTi 

fraza uTxra, _ me rom momendomebina, 

amerikaSi davrekavdi 

da ver gadamayenebdio. es fraza 

sakmaod mravlismetyvelia. 

_ marTla SeeZlo amis ga- 

keTeba yofil premiers? 

_ rom SeZleboda, gaakeTebda 

kidevac. 

_ aba, ras emuqreboda ivaniS- 

vils? 

_ mas iluzia gauCnda, rom 

amerikaSi seriozuli kavSirebi 

hqonda. kavSirebi rogor ar 

hqonda, magram ara iseTi, rom mis 

sanacnobos „ocnebis” liderze 

gavlena moexdina. 

_ ramdenjerme axseneT Cxar- 

tiSvili da masac xom ar unda 

saparlamento siaSi moxvedra? 

_ ara, vano CxartiSvilisTvis 

parlamentSi Sesvla daqveiTebis 

tolfasi iqneba. is ivaniSvilis 

axlo garemocvis wevria da gadawyvetilebebis 

miRebaSi monawileobs. 

parlamentSi Tavad ar 

Seva, magram ramdenime adamians 

Caasmevinebs siaSi. 

aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaze 

mas raRac kontroli aqvs da 

arc parlamentis gakontrolebaze 

ityvis uars. 

am adamianis msgavsi figurebi 

rac SeiZleba male unda gavaqroT 

qarTuli politikidan. es 

is xalxia, romlebmac gasuli 

saukunis 90-ian wlebSi Cveni 

mSoblebisa da bebia-babuebis 

anabrebi moipares, mere am moparuli 

fulebiT bankebi daaarses 

da Cveni winaprebisTvis moparuli 

fuli maRali procentiT 

mogvasesxes. 

es xalxi mxolod sakuTar 

sikeTeze fiqrobs, maT araerTi 

saZagloba aqvT Cadenili da arc 

momavalSi ityvian amaze uars. 

amitom saswrafod unda gavaTavisufloT 

politika CxartiSvilebis, 

xazaraZeebisa da maTnairebisgan. 

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, 

am qveyanas ganviTareba ar 

uweria. 

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xelisuflebas. amis naTeli ma- 

galiTi daviT zalkalianisa da 

sergei lavrovis Sexvedraa. rusuli diplomatiis mamis gancxadebiT, 

es Sexvedra qarTulma mxarem moiTxova. sazogadoeb- 

is nawili, ZiriTadad, ruseTumeebi, am Sexvedras dadebiTad 

da JriamuliTac Sexvdnen, meore nawili ki miiCnevs, rom 

„qarTuli ocneba” saqarTvelos rusul orbitaze eqaCeba. 

„nacionaluri moZraobis” wevri jelal qiqava miiCnevs, rom 

Tu xelisufleba ar Seicvala, saqarTvelo ruseTis guber- 

nia gaxdeba. qiqavas azriT, xelisuflebis Sesacvlelad 

opoziciis erTianoba da Zlieri lideria saWiro. 

vis SeuZlia xelisuflebis 

Secvla? riT hgavs es periodi 

2011 wels? ratom ar unda 

opozicias saakaSvilis saqar- 

TveloSi dabruneba? rogor aawyves 

„ocnebis” wevrebma ruseT- 

Si biznesebi? _ am Temebze 

jelal qiqava „qronika+~-s es- 

aubreba: 

_ Tqven yovelTvis gaiZax- 

odiT, rom „ocneba” ruseTisken 

migvaqanebso. sergei lavrovisa 

da daviT zalkalianis Sexvedra 

bevrma saqarTvelos rusul 

relsebze gadasvlad aRiqva. 

Tqven ras fiqrobT? 

_ ras vfiqrob da „rusuli 

ocneba” ruseTisken migvaqanebs. 

rac Seexeba Cveni sagareo saqme- 

Ta ministrisa da misi rusi 

kolegis Sexvedras, mikvirs, ratom 

moyva mas aseTi ambavi. 

axali araferi momxdara _ 

„qocebi” rusebs sul xvdebodnen 

da raRac-raRacebze urigdebodnen. 

bevr raRacaze ukve SeTanxmebuli 

arian. magitomacaa, 

rom saqarTvelo ruseTisken midis. 

cotac da saqarTveloSi 

rusuli droSa afrialdeba. 

aqamde saqarTvelos xelisufleba 

Tavis proevropulobas 

amtkicebda. bolo xanebSi Riad 

daiwyes rusuli TamaSis TamaSi 

da amis afiSirebasac aRar eridebian. 

arafris aRar rcxveniaT, 

va-bankze midian. xalxi fexebze 

kidiaT da sulac ar ainteresebT, 

rom Cveni arCevani evroatlantikuri 

sivrcea. 

ruseTTan Riad flirtaobiT 

Cveni provokaciaze wamogebac 

surT. ician, rom amas xalxSi 

uaryofiTi reaqcia moyveba. 

zafxulSi gavrilovi Camoiyvanes 

da parlamentis spikeris 

savarZelSi Casves. Semodgomaze 

sergei lavrovs Sexvdnen daufaravad. 

eseni marto amaze ar 

gaCerdebian. zamTrisTvisac 

eqnebaT raime rusuli siurprizi 

CvenTvis Semonaxuli. 

_ „ocnebis” saSemodgomo 

svla ra iqneba, putinTan Sexve- 

dra? 

_ putini amaTTvis ar moiclis. 

ar ikadrebs „ocnebasTan” Sexvedras. 

ramis gageba Tu unda, 

lavrovisgan gaigebs. lavrovi 

putinis davalebiT Sexvda amaT 

da putinis danabarebic gadasca. 

_ Tqveni azriT, uSualod 

raze iqneboda saubari lavr- 

ovsa da zalkalians Soris? 

_ ver getyviT. imaSi darwmunebuli 

var, rom aTas sazizRrobaze 

SeTanxmdebodnen. es Cveni 

qveynisTvis kargis momtani 

namdvilad ar iqneba. samagierod, 

eseni isargebleben. „ocnebis” 

Cinosnebis did nawils ukve moskovSi 

aqvs biznesebi. isini ruseT- 

Si Souloben fuls, Tan did 

fuls. undaT axla amaT nato da 

evrokavSiri? bunebrivia, ar undaT. 

_ did fuls Souloben 

ruseTSio, xelisuflebis war- 

momadgenlebs es biznesebi iq 

adre hqondaT Tu axla aqvT? 

_ zogs adrec hqonda, zogs 

axla misces. saqarTvelos xelisufleba 

mzadaa, rusebs Caugdos 

mTeli qveyana xelSi. Camouriges 

aq ruseTis moqalaqeebs 

biznesebi. mTeli baTumi rusebs 

aqvT nayidi. saqarTvelos sxva 

regionebSic asea. yvelafers 

rusebi da biZina ivaniSvili yiduloben. 

samSoblos gayidviT da aTasi 

maimunobiT uamravi fuli iSoves 

parlamentis deputatebma. zogi 

weliwadSi 7 da 8 binasac ki yidulobs. 

arada, cota xnis win es 

xalxi aJuruli „CulqebiT” adeiSvils 

yavas miarTmevda xolme 

kabinetSi. 

magaTi kolgotebi didad ar 

mainteresebs, me qveynis ambavi 

mtkiva. rogor SeiZleba, raime 

evropul arCevanze vilaparako 

iq, sadac mTavrobis wevrebs okupant 

qveyanaSi aqvs biznesebi. 

Sors rom ar wavideT, daviwyoT 

premier-ministriT. gaxarias iq 

aqvs biznesi da iq iSova didi 

fuli. milionebzea laparaki. 

_ isev lavrovTan gamarTul 

Sexvedras davubrundeT: zalkalians 

ar ufiqria, rom riskav- 

da rus kolegasTan Sexvedris 

dros? gavrilovis ambavs aq 

lamis qveynis daqceva moyva da 

amis mere putinis kacTan 

kurkuri cota sarisko ar iyo? 

_ sarisko rogor ar iyo, magram 

eseni yvelaferze midian. 

arafers aRar eridebian. aseT 

situaciaze amboben, va-bankze 

midiano. amaT rom vuyureb, Cemdauneburad 

maxsendeba 2011 weli, 

roca „nacionaluri moZraobis” 

yvela qmedebas iseTi elferi 

dahkravda, rom TiTqos wasvla 

surdaT xelisuflebidan. 

_ fiqrobT, rom „qarTul 

ocnebasac” wasvla unda da ami- 

tom akeTebs aseT saSinelebebs? 

_ „qarTul ocnebas” ra unda, 

eg araa mniSvnelovani. mTavari 

isaa, ra unda biZina ivaniSvils. 

imas ra unda, Zneli gasagebia, ras 

moifiqrebs, vin icis. SeiZleba, 

magasac unda wasvla. 

istorias uyvars gameorebebi 

da zustad igive meordeba axlac, 

rasac „nacionalebi” 2011- 

2012 wlebSi akeTebdnen. „ocneba” 

Ss ministris premierad gadayvanaSic 

ki baZavs wina xelisuflebas. 

2012 wlis zafxulSi, saparlamento 

arCevnebamde ramdenime 

TviT adre, saakaSvilma merabiSvili 

daniSna premier-ministrad, 

axla ivaniSvili moiqca ase da gaxaria 

gauSva mTavrobis meTaurad. 

jelal qiqava: 

_ gaxaria cota adre gapre- 

mierda, arCevnebamde erT welze 

cota metia darCenili. 

_ axla mTlad TariRebsac xom 

ar daamTxvevdnen. faqtia, rom 

Zalian baZaven „nacionalebs”. ki 

ar baZaven, agoniaSi arian da Secdomas 

Secdomaze uSveben. 

aseve iqceoda aslan abaSiZe, 

roca misi wasvlis dro moaxlovda 

_ narkobaroni daniSna Ss ministris 

moadgiled. mere xidebic 

ki aafeTqa Coloqze. saSinel 

represiebs mimarTavda: arbevda 

aqciebsa da mitingebs, apatimrebda 

opoziciis liderebs. bolos, 

mainc mouwia gaqceva. xalxis winaaRmdeg 

brZola jer aravis mougia. 

xelisuflebebis wasvlis dro 

axlovdeba, isini agoniaSi vardebian. 

„ocnebac” asea da mgonia, 

rom Sinaganad ukve wasvla unda. 

`putini amaTTvis ar moiclis. ar ikadrebs 

òcnebasTan~ Sexvedras. ramis gageba Tu unda, 

lavrovisgan gaigebs. lavrovi putinis davalebiT 

Sexvda amaT da putinis danabarebic gadasca~ 

òpoziciis did 

nawils 

saakaSvilis 

saqarTveloSi 

dabruneba ar unda~ 

amitomac iqcevian ise, rogorc 

„nacionalebi” 2011 wels. 

2012 wels maT marTlac mouwiaT 

xelisuflebidan wasvla. 

roca xalxi erTiania, iq veravin 

verafers gaawyobs. 

_ 2011 weli gaixseneT da ma- 

Sin ivaniSvilis saxiT is lideri 

gamoCnda, visac marTla SeeZlo 

xelisuflebis Secvla. saakaS- 

vili aman agoniaSi Caagdo. axla 

Tu Cans politikur asparezze 

`xelisufleba va-bankze midis~ 

iseTi lideri, romelic ivaniS- 

vils Secvlis? 

_ aseTi lideri jer ar Cans 

da, simarTle giTxraT, verc horizontze 

vxedav vinmes. opoziciac 

Zalian sustia. garda sisustisa, 

opoziciis nawili biZina 

ivaniSvilTan TanamSromlobs. 

_ opoziciisa da ivaniSvilis 

TanamSromloba raSi gamoixate- 

ba? 

_ viTom masTan dapirispirebaSi 

arian da sinamdvileSi mis 

saqmes akeTeben. roca biZinas 

sWirdeba, politikur temperaturas 

dabla weven da amiT 

oligarqs xelisuflebaSi darCenis 

vadas uxangrZliveben. 

„tv pirvelis” eTerSi gavakeTe 

es gancxadeba da Tqven- 

Tanac gavimeoreb, rom opoziciis 

Zalian did nawils ar unda, 

rom mixeil saakaSvili saqarTveloSi 

Camovides. 

_ ratom ar undaT, rom Camo- 

vides? 

_ pirvel rigSi imitom, rom es 

biZinas ar surs. mere _ konkurenciis 

momentia. miSa aq rom 

dabrundeba, yvela opoziciuri 

lideri gverdze gaiweva da is 

iqneba mTavari moTamaSe. 

_ yvelaze metad vis ar unda 

saakaSvilis dabruneba? 

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moskovSi dauriges~ 

_ im xalxs, vinc wlebis win 

„nacionaluri moZraobis” wevri 

iyo da axla „gaqocda”. maT saamisod 

bevri mizezi aqvT. 

iciT, ratom aris qveyanaSi 

amxela korufcia? is „nacionalebi”, 

romlebic miSam qrTamisa 

da korufciis gamo daiWira an 

partiidan gaagdo, „ocnebam” miiRo 

Tavis rigebSi. 

Tavad „ocneba” xelisufleba- 

Si rom movida, mis wevrebs 

samjer meoradi „trusikebi” ecvaT. 

ar vaWarbeb, marTla ase 

iyvnen. maT umetesobas fuli ar 

hqonda. axla ise arian gamdidrebuli, 

weliwadSi ramdenime 

binas yiduloben. 

dRes Cven marto miliarders 

ki ar veomebiT, aramed milionerebis 

kastasac. „nacionalebisgan” 

qrTamze gagdebulebma da 

daWerilebma „ocnebas” fulis 

Sovnis gza aCvenes. 

_ Tavad ver ipovidnen am 

gzas? 

_ gauWrdebodaT. eseni xom 

lenCebi arian. Tu gindaT, 

SeamowmeT _ CaixedeT magaT 

TavebSi da naxavT, rom tvini arc 

erTs ar aqvs. „nacionalebidan” 

vinc wamosuli iyo, imaT marTla 

icodnen sistema, Tu rogor xdeboda 

biujetSi Tanxebis akumulireba. 

aswavles, rogor moeparaT 

fuli da es umecrebic wavidnen 

qurdobis gziT. iseTi korufciaa, 

rom am saqmeSi SeiZleba, 

ruseTsac ki vajoboT. 

_ ruseTi yvelaze korum- 

pirebuli qveyanaa? 

_ pirvel sameulSi Sedis da 

warmoidgineT, ra xdeba CvenTan, 

rom ukve amaT doneze varT da 

SeiZleba, male gavaswroT kidevac. 

_ miSas mier daWerili „na- 

cionalebis” mesmis, rom ar undodeT 

yofili lideris dab- 

runeba, magram bokeriasa da 

kako bobixiZes raRa ayvirebT? 

saakaSvilis dros rasac undo- 

daT, imas akeTebdnen da axla 

ratom gaxda yofili lideri 

miuRebeli? 

_ magaT sul ar awyobT miSas 

Camosvla. miSa rogorc ki dabrundeba, 

egeni egreve CaiZirebian. 

bevri mcdelobis miuxedavad, 

ar imuSava im sqemam, romelic ivaniSvilma 

e. w. opozicias dauxaza. 

_ ra sqemaze saubrobT? 

_ sqemaze, romelsac „nacionalebis” 

daSla unda mohyoloda. 

sadacaa, merve weli daiwyeba, rac 

„nacionaluri moZraoba” opoziciaSia, 

magram partia mainc magrad 

dgas fexze da verafriT 

daSales. 

dRes „nacionaluri moZraoba” 

mTavari opoziciuri Zala. yvela 

partia mas ebrZvis, magram is mainc 

yvelaze magaria. SegviZlia 

Tamamad vTqvaT, rom „nacionaluri 

moZraoba” yvelaze Zlieri 

partiaa saqarTveloSi. 

aba, damisaxeleT, romeli par- 

òcnebis~ Cinosnebis did nawils ukve moskovSi aqvs biznesebi. isini ruseTSi 

Souloben fuls, Tan did fuls. undaT axla amaT nato da evrokavSiri?~ 

tia gadaitanda imas, rac „nacionalebma” 

gadaitanes? zogi 

lideri daiWires, zogi gaaqcies. 

partia mainc ver daSales da 

verc miSa Camoaciles Tavis Seqmnil 

partias. 

_ mTlad asec ar yofila, 

rom partia ar daiSala. „na- 

cionalebidan” bevri wamovida 

da wamosulebma axali partiebi 

Seqmnes. 

_ „girCsa” da „evropul saqarTvelos” 

Tu gulisxmobT, magaT 

gamo nerviuloba ar Rirs. wasvla 

undodaT da wavidnen. arian 

TavisTvis da TamaSoben viRacis 

TamaSs. maT „ocnebaze” metad ar 

awyobT, rom saqarTvelos mesame 

prezidenti aq dabrundes. 

danarCeni opozicia Zalian 

cudad iqceva miSasTan mimarTebiT. 

amdeni xnis manZilze erTi 

aqcia mainc rogor ar gamarTes 

moTxovniT, rom yofil prezidents 

saqarTvelos moqalaqeoba 

daubrundes. ar SeiZleba, 

prezidenti devnilobaSi iyos. 

XXI saukunea, xalxo. 

_ prezident salome 

zurabiSvils ratom ar mimar- 

TavT? mkvlelebi da barigebi 

Seiwyala qalma da iqneb, saakaS- 

vilzec gaeRo mowyaleba. 

_ magis Sesawyalebeli ra 

sWirs miSas? Tan arc gaakeTebs 

eg qali am ambavs. eg marto kriminalebs 

iwyalebs. ra mniSvneloba 

aqvs, vin mimarTa mas TxovniT 

Sewyalebaze da vin Seutana 

SesawyalebelTa sia. mTavari isaa, 

rom ubiri prezidenti gvyavs. 

qals umaRlesi mTavarsardali 

hqvia da policielis mkvlels 

uSvebs gareT. aseT adamianze 

rogor SeiZleba, seriozulad 

vilaparakoT?! ar gvainteresebs, 

mkvlels gauvarda, Seuvarda 

Tu gadauvarda. faqti erTia 

_ prezidentma policielis mkvleli 

Seiwyala. 

policielze xelis aRmarTva 

saxelmwifoze xelis aRmarTvas 

`saqarTvelos xelisufleba mzadaa, rusebs 

Caugdos mTeli qveyana xelSi. Camouriges aq 

ruseTis moqalaqeebs biznesebi. mTeli baTumi 

rusebs aqvT nayidi. saqarTvelos sxva 

regionebSic asea. yvelafers rusebi da biZina 

ivaniSvili yiduloben~ 

niSnavs, prezidentma ki policielis 

mkvleli gareT gamouSva. es 

saxelmwifos angrevs. saqarTvelo 

didi xania, aRar aris saxelmwifo. 

samwuxarod, gamosavalic 

ar Cans. 

_ sxva dros bevrad imedian 

prognozebs akeTebdiT xolme. 

axla raRac uimedod meCvenebiT. 

marTla uimedod xarT? 

_ raRac uimedod var. jerjerobiT 

Seqmnili viTarebidan 

gamosavals ver vxedav. Cemze Zalian 

moqmedebs xalxis gaWirveba. 

aseTi gaWirveba, mgoni, gasuli 

saukunis 90-ian wlebSic ki ar 

yofila. mainteresebs, sadamde 

gagrZeldeba es yvelaferi? 

RmerTma dagvifaros movlenebis 

aseTi ganviTarebisgan, magram 

erT mSvenier dRes SeiZleba, 

xalxma eseni komblebiT 

gamorekos kabinetebidan. 

xom ver vitan am xelisuflebas, 

magram ar minda, rom aqamde 

mivides saqme. es saqarTvelos 

daangrevs. Cven ki mxolod xelisuflebis 

Secvla gvinda. qveyana 

ar unda dazaraldes. 

_ „gavrilovis Ramis” mere 

Tqven da Tqveni Tanamoazreebi 

SekveTilSi ivaniSvilis rezi- 

denciasTan yovel saRamos 

aqciebs awyobdiT. SewyviteT es 

aqciebi Tu agrZelebT? 

_ SevwyviteT. im rezidenciis 

garSemo rac ki iyo, yvelaferi 

ivaniSvilma iyida. axla iq rom 

mivideT, e. i. kerZo sakuTrebaSi 

viWrebiT. amis gakeTeba ar gvinda. 

ra unda velaparakoT im kacs, 

romelmac zRva miiyvana saxlamde, 

cota xnis win ki baTumSi 

zRvis fskeri iyida. 

TavisTavisTvis akeTebs sworad, 

Torem qveyanas aqcevs da 

Rupavs. 

_ Tqven TqviT, rom meSinia, 

komblebi ar aiRos xalxmao. ai- 

Rebs viTom es xalxi komblebs? 

araferze ar reagirebs... 

_ arc minda, rom aseTi rame 

moxdes. imedi maqvs, yvelaferi 

arCevnebis gziT Seicvleba. 

simarTle giTxraT, didi imedi 

arc arCevnebisa maqvs. SarSanac 

aviReT 900.000 xma, magram ra! 

_ milioni gaiyida da „ocnebis” 

kandidati Semoxaza. 

xalxs ra unda vusayveduro, 

roca opoziciis didi nawili 

TanamSromlobs ivaniSvilTan. 

_ amas ukve ramdenjerme am- 

bobT da SegiZliaT, raime ko- 

nkretuli magaliTi mogviyveT, 

rac am TanamSromlobas exeba? 

_ rogor ar SemiZlia. „gavrilovis 

Ramis” mere biZinam 

Tavis rezidenciaSi specrazmi 

rom Seiyvana, xom gaxsovT? ramdenime 

dRe specrazmelebTan 

erTad iZinebda. 

es gadawyvetileba mas Semdeg 

miiRo, rac gaigo, rom opozicia 

sololakis sasaxlesTan apirebda 

aqciis gamarTvas. „gavrilovis 

Ramis” meore dRes opozicia 

Seikriba. iq mosazreba gaCnda, 

rom protestis aqcia gamarTuliyo 

ara parlamentis win, aramed 

_ ivaniSvilis rezidenciasTan. 

am mosazrebas bevri momxre 

gamouCnda da gadawyda kidevac, 

rom xalxi sololakisken 

dagveZra, magram Ralatis gamo 

es gegma CaiSala. 

im Sexvedraze myofTagan erTerTma, 

Sexvedris dasrulebisTanave, 

ivaniSvilis garemocvas 

acnoba, Tu ras gegmavda opozicia. 

ivaniSvilic adga da sasaxleSi 

specrazmi Seiyvana. 

sxva magaliTebis moyvanac SemiZlia, 

magram axala Tavs Sevikaveb. 

Zalian miWirs amis Tqma, 

magram opoziciis didi nawili 

masTan garigebulia. 

ramdenadac vici, isini elodebian, 

rom rusi oligarqi maT 

raRacas gadmougdebs. is ki ar 

ician, rom ivaniSvili yvelas gamoiyenebs 

da roca Tavisas miiRebs, 

amaT gaacurebs. 

_ iqiT rom gaacuron biZina, 

ar SeiZleba, eg varianti 

moxdes? 

_ ara mgonia. gacurebaSi es 

iseTi gamocdilia, vin unda ajobos? 

saqarTveloSi iseTi 

lideric ar Cans, romelic xalxs 

gverdze daiyenebs da opoziciasac 

ar eqneba oligarqTan kav- 

Siris survili. aseTi aris miSa, 

magram mas saqarTveloSi ar uSveben. 

opoziciis nawili biZinas 

dakveTiT ewinaaRmdegeba mis dabrunebas, 

nawils ki eSinia. 

_ opoziciam SeiZleba, ve- 

raferi daaklos biZinas, magram 

garemocva bolomde iqneba mis 

gverdiT? zemoT TqviT, milion- 

ebi iSoveso da... 

_ milionebi iSoves biZinas 

wyalobiT. axla maT imdeni fuli 

aqvT, rom calke undaT gasvla, 

magram es gamoricxulia. oligarqs 

yvelaze kompromatebi 

aqvs, yvela yurebiT hyavs gamoWerili 

da rogorc ki zedmets 

gabedaven, egreve cixeSi gauSvebs. 

jer saimedo situacia ar 

aris, magram ase dausruleblad 

ar gagrZeldeba. saqarTveloSic 

unda gaTendes da, adre Tu gvian, 

gaTendeba. es xelisufleba 

Tu ar SevcvaleT, erT mSvenier 

dRes aRmovaCenT, rom ruseTis 

guberniaSi vcxovrobT. 

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vin iyo dainteresebuli misi 

dakavebiT? vin sZalavda biznesmens 

fuls? ratom gawires yo- 

filma TanamebrZolebma igi? 

ratom ar sjera „ocnebidan” 

gandgomilebis gulwrfelobis? 

ratom fiqrobs, rom „gavrilovis 

Ramis” saqmeze dakavebule- 

bi male gareT gamovlen? _ am 

Temebze „qronika+”-s esaubreba 

samoqalaqo aqtivisti, gogita 

dalaqiSvili: 

_ „gavrilovis Ramis” dros 

uflebamosilebis gadametebis 

safuZvelze dakavebuli samive 

samarTaldamcveli Tavisufalia. 

am informaciis gavrceleb- 

is Semdeg socialur qselSi 

Tqven dawereT, rom male 

politpatimrebsac gaaTavisu- 

fleben. mxedvelobaSi gyavdaT 

aqciis monawileebi. rame 

konkretul 

informaciaze 

dayrdnobiT ambobT amas, Tu es 

mxolod varaudia? 

_ am adamianebis cixeSi datoveba 

ukve SeuZlebelia. xelisufleba 

maT aucileblad 

gamouSvebs da ara imitom, rom es 

undaT, aramed iZulebulebi arian. 

sazogadoebisa da saerTa- 

Soriso Tanamegobrobis zewola 

sul ufro matulobs, 

„qarTuli ocneba” Tu gajiutda 

da gavrilovis patimrebi 

ar gamouSva, maSin es maTTvis 

fataluri Sedegis momtani 

gaxdeba. am saqmeze dakavebuli 

policielebis gamoSveba niSnavs, 

rom sazogadoebas aliyuri gaartyes 

da xelaxla dasTxares 

Tvalebi. Tundac amis gasaneitraleblad 

unda gamouSvan 

gavrilovis patimrebi, Tanac 

uklebliv. 

„qarTulma ocnebam” yvela is 

mankieri Tviseba gadmoiRo, rac 

„nacionalur moZraobas” hqonda. 

is xalxi, vinc „nacionalebis” 

dros cud saqmeebs akeTebda, am 

xelisuflebam zogi parlamentSi 

dasva, zogi _ policiaSi da zogic 

_ susSi. 

xelisuflebas tyuilad hgonia, 

rom ZaladobiT SeinarCunebs 

Zalauflebas. nebismieri Zaladoba 

am qveyanaSi marcxiT mTavrdeba, 

esenic damarcxdebian. 

_ dakavebulebze vsaubrobT 

da Tqvens dakavebazec mogviy- 

eviT. Tqven iyaviT adamiani, 

romelic aqtiurad ibrZoda 

wina xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg. 

„ocnebis” moyvanaSic SeitaneT 

wvlili, romelmac Tqven cixeSi 

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`prokuraturisTvis fulis 

samoqalaqo aqtivist gogita 


dalaqiSvils seriozuli wvlili 

599 92 16 22 

aqvs Setanili „qarTuli ocneb- 

is” xelisuflebaSi moyvanaSi. 

„ocnebam” mas amagi „daufasa” da imis nacvlad, rom korumpirebuli 

Cinosnis mxilebisTvis madloba eTqvaT, cixeSi gaam- 

weses, Tanac prokuraturisTvis fulis gamoZalva daabrales. 

„ocnebasTan” seriozulad maSin gaufuWda urTierToba, roca 

uari Tqva, irakli alasaniasTvis provokaciebi moewyo. 

mere pankisSi Catarebul sisxlian operacias aprotesteb- 

da, riTac sabolood gadaikida susi da konkretulad _ soso 

gogaSvili. aRsaniSnavia, rom prokurori, visac dalaqiSvilma 

Cinosnis mamxilebeli firi miutana, susis zedamxedveli 

prokurori eJaSvili aRmoCnda. 

gagiSvaT. Tqven dakavebasTan dakavSirebiT 

ramdenime versia ar- 

sebobs. ra moxda sinamdvileSi? 

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi 

moyvanaSi Cemi wvlili 

maqvs Setanili. Zalian vaqtiurobdi. 

mindoda, rom qveyanaSi 

raRac Secvliliyo da ukeTesobisken 

wasuliyo saqme. 

Cems dakavebas rac Seexeba, 

mizezi martivia _ xelisuflebis 

mimarT Riad davafiqsire kritikuli 

azri. protesti gamovTqvi, 

roca pankisSi sisxliani 

specoperacia Caatares da axalgazrda 

biWi mokles. pankisSi specoperaciis 

Catareba ukavSirdeboda 

TbilisSi, beri gabrielis 

quCaze Catarebul farCak operacias. 

am sistemaSi namuSevari 

var da vici, rasac vambob. 

am operaciebTan dakavSirebiT 

blogebs vakeTebdi, susis maRal- 

Cinosnebs araprofesionalizmSi 

vamxeldi. 

xelisuflebas sxva rameebzec 

vakritikebdi. arasdros veridebodi 

Cemi poziciis Riad dafiqsirebas. 

moTminebis fiala xelisuflebas 

erTi firis gamo 

gadaevso da maSin gadawyda Cemi 

dakavebac. 

momitanes firi, romelzec 

asaxulia xelisuflebis maRal- 

Cinosani. is dResac maRal Tanamdebobazea, 

gvars jer ar vambob, 

magram amis droc mova. am 

Canaweridan kargad Cans, Tu 

rogor „eTanamSromleba” es ma- 

RalCinosani erT-erT biznesmens. 

_ „TanamSromlobaSi” ras 

gulisxmobT? 

_ CanawerSi Cans, rogor sTavazobs 

„dakriSvas” da amis sanacvlod 

raRacis miRebas iTxovs. 

aseTi saubari Tanamdebobis pirisTvis, 

minimum, akrZalulia da, 

maqsimum, sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulad 

iTvleba. 

rodesac Canaweri vnaxe, gadavwyvite, 

is prokuraturaSi wame- 

Ro. CavTvale, rom amis Sesaxeb 

sagamoZiebo organos unda scodnoda 

da mokvleva daewyoT. 

prokuraturaSi am firis mitanis 

gamo madloba miTxres. 

roca firi kargad Seiswavles 

da naxes, Tu vin figurirebda 

CanawerSi, mixvdnen, rom saqmes 

ver aRZravdnen. maRalCinosnis 

dakavebaze xom saerTod zedmeti 

iyo laparaki. 

firis mitanidan 2-3 dReSi 

prokuroris Zmam damireka da 

miTxra, rom Cemi Zma mova SenTan 

da daelaparakeo. 

Sevxvdi prokuroris Zmas da 

man aseTi saubari damiwyo: Segi- 

ZliaT, is piri daasaxeloT, vinc 

es firi mogawodaT, Cven Segvi- 

Zlia operatiuli salarodan 

fuli aviRoT da wavaxalisoT is. 

_ ra mizniT upirebdnen waxa- 

lisebas? 

_ rogorc prokuroris Zmam 

miTxra, mizani is iyo, rom im 

adamians momavalSic eTanamSromla 

maTTan. maSinve mivxvdi, razec 

iyo saubari _ undodaT, rom informatoris 

vinaoba damesaxelebina. 

me vuTxri, rom is adamiani 

aranair Tanxas ar aiRebda da 

Tanxis SeTavazebasac ki Seuracxyofad 

miiRebda. misi vinaobis 

dasaxelebazec uari vTqvi. 

Cveni saubari Caiweres. mogvianebiT 

moxda am saubris fabrikacia 

da iseTi brali wamiyenes, 

TiTqos prokuraturis SenobaSi 

mivedi da prokuraturas fulis 

gamoZalva davuwye. 

axla miTxariT, romeli Wkua- 

Tmyofeli miva prokuraturasTan 

an policiasTan da maTTvis 

gogita dalaqiSvili: 

`soso gogaSvils 

davaleba ar 

Sevusrule da 

Cemze 

Suri iZia~ 

fulis gamoZalvas daiwyebs? 

brali wamiyenes, rom TiTqos 

sagamoZiebo uwyebaSi angarebiT 

mivitane firi da es informacia 

ukanonod mopovebuli iyo. 

prokuraturas SeiZleba sulac 

ar undoda Cemi dakaveba, 

magram maT aseTi davaleba miiRes. 

_ visgan miiRes davaleba? 

_ usafrTxoebis samsaxurSi 

iyo aseTi vinme, soso gogaSvili, 

romelic Cems dakavebas iTxovda. 

mova dro da amaze aucileblad 

agebs pasuxs. CemTvis cnobilia, 

rom Cemze TvalTvals gogaSvili 

kurirebda. 

sainteresoa is faqtic, rom 

prokurori, visac es masala Cavabare 

da vuTxari, rom aq sisxlis 

samarTlis niSnebia da imoqmedeT-meTqi, 

susis zedamxedveli 

prokurori yofila. misi 

gvaria eJaSvili. 

rogorc ki es masala naxa, 

suss daukavSirda da ukve gasagebia, 

Tu ratom Caeria am saqmeSi 

gogaSvili. 

_ Tqvenze TvalTvali 

rodidan daiwyo? 

ùsafrTxoebis samsaxurSi iyo aseTi vinme, 

soso gogaSvili, romelic Cems dakavebas 

iTxovda. mova dro da amaze aucileblad agebs 

pasuxs. CemTvis cnobilia, rom Cemze 

TvalTvals gogaSvili kurirebda. 

sainteresoa is faqtic, rom prokurori, visac 

es masala Cavabare da vuTxari, rom aq sisxlis 

samarTlis niSnebia da imoqmedeT-meTqi, susis 

zedamxedveli prokurori yofila. misi gvaria 

eJaSvili. rogorc ki es masala naxa, suss 

daukavSirda da ukve gasagebia, Tu ratom 

Caeria am saqmeSi gogaSvili~ 

_ operatiuli masalebidan, 

romelic Cems advokats gadasces, 

Cans, rom dakavebamde sami 

dRiT adre daiwyo TvalTvali. 

manamde rac xorcieldeboda, 

saqmeSi asaxuli ar aris, radgan 

es ukanonod xorcieldeboda. am 

sam dReze ki sasamarTlom gasca 

nebarTva. 

didxans miTvalTvalebdnen, 

Cemi yvelaferi iSifreboda. mokled 

rom vTqva, presingSi mamyofebdnen. 

bolos yelSi rom amouvedi, 

adgnen da damiWires. erTi 

weli momaxdevines da dResac 

pirobiTi sasjelis qveS vimyofebi. 

raRacebze laparakis ufleba 

ar maqvs, samagierod prokuraturas 

SeuZlia Tavisuflad moqmedeba. 

sagamoZiebo uwyebam 

Zalian kargad icis im maRalCinosnis 

vinaoba, romelic dana- 

Sauls sCadis. Tu ar imoqmedeben, 

sxva gaakeTebs amas. mova dro da 

is Cinosanic daisjeba da isinic, 

vinc mas xels afareben. 

_ dakavebamde da mis merec 

Tqven ambobdiT, rom soso go- 

gaSvili raRac provokaciebis 

mowyobasac gTxovdaT. 

_ es davaleba gogaSvils ar 

Sevusrule da man Cemze Suri 

iZia. Suamavlebis meSveobiT susis 

ufrosis yofili moadgile 

agent-provokatorobas mTavazobda. 

kerZod, „rusTavi 2-is” 

ofisSi unda mivsuliyavi da nika 

gvaramia Camewera. ise unda damexata 

suraTi, TiTqos is me 

davalebebs maZlevda. es Canaweri 

susSi unda mimetana, isini ki 

saubars ukrainul vikiliqsze 

atvirTavdnen. 

aseTi raRacis gakeTebas rom 

mTavazobdnen, amis Sesaxeb nika 

gvaramia gavafrTxile. susSi gaiges, 

rom „rusTavi 2-Si” viyavi 

misuli. albaT, Cveni saubris 

Sesaxebac gaiges da am saqmes 

SeeSvnen. mixvdnen, rom SeiZleboda, 

TavianT dagebul maxeSi Tavadve 

gaxlarTuliyvnen. 

am saqmes ki SeeSvnen, magram 

gogaSvili me ar SemeSva. ar mapatia, 

misi davaleba rom ar Sevasrule 

da damsaja. darwmunebuli 

var, rom misi davalebiT damakaves. 

_ gvaramiamde sxvebis winaa- 

Rmdegac gTxovdnen provoka- 

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gamoZalva damabrales~ 

ciebis mowyobas. Tu sworad max- 

sovs, erTi irakli alasania iyo. 

es is droa, roca is, jer kidev, 

Tavdacvis ministria. 

_ es kaxelebis klanis ambavia. 

2013-2014 wlebSi hqonda aseT 

faqtebs adgili. maSin xSirad 

saubrobdnen, rom jariskacebi 

sakvebiT iwamlebodnen da amaze 

erTi ambavi tydeboda. irakli 

alasaniasTvis am Temaze unda 

agvegorebina skandali. sakvebis 

TemiT unda Segveqmna diskomforti 

misTvis. amaze uari vTqvi. 

_ mag droidan xom ar gagifuWdaT 

„ocnebasTan” urTier- 

Toba? 

_ „ocnebasTan” pirvelad maSin 

gamifuWda urTierToba, roca 

kaxelebis klani vamxile. mkiTxvels 

albaT emaxsovreba, 2013 

wels Sss-m sapolicio reidebis 

mowyoba rom daiwyo. maSin irakli 

RaribaSvili iyo Ss ministri. 

es ambavi maSinve gavaproteste 

da sajarod vTqvi, rom es ar iyo 

reidi, aramed iyo iseTi operacia, 

rogorsac gasuli saukunis 

90-ian wlebSi kviraia atarebda. 

kviraias dros specoperacias ase 

erqva: bade 1, bade 2 da a. S. yvelas 

apatimrebdnen, vinc am bade- 

Si moyveboda. 

2013 wels amis gakeTebam is 

saSineli wlebi gamaxsena da protestis 

grZnoba gamiCnda. Sss-Si 

Camyayebuli situacia Tu ar Seicvala, 

Zveli kadrebi ar 

gauSves, es uwyeba postsabWoTa 

miliciad darCeba. 

_ dRemde pirobiTi gaqvT, 

magram es xels ar giSliT, rom 

politikurad iaqtiuroT. 

_ ase gaCereba ar SemiZlia. 20 

ivnisis Semdeg sul mitingebze 

davdiodi. Cemi samoqalaqo pozicia 

aseTia _ vilaparako simar- 

Tle da gavakeTo is, rac Cemi 

gasakeTebelia. 

marTalia, damiWires da damsajes, 

magram ver gamaCumes, arc 

momavalSi gavCumdebi. amis siamovnebas 

aravis mivaniWeb. 

_ is xalxi, visTan erTadac 

„nacionalebs 

nacionalebs” ebrZodiT, Tqveni 

dakavebis dros sakmaod ma- 

Ral Tanamdebobebze isxdnen. 

maTgan Tu gqondaT raime mx- 

ardaWera? 

_ aranairi mxardaWera! dRes 

es adamianebi ukve Tavad saubroben 

usamarTlobaze, magram 

roca komfortis zonaSi iyvnen, 

verafers amCnevdnen, rac maT 

garSemo xdeboda. maT arc Cemi 

dakaveba SeimCnies. 

_ axla Tu gaqvT maTTan raime 

kontaqti? 

_ aranairi da arc maTi gulwrfelobis 

mjera. simarTlisTvis 

maSin daiwyes xmalamoRebulebma 

sirbili, rac 

„qarTuli ocnebidan” gauSves. 

mosamarTleebis Temaze rom 

axla erTi ambavi aqvT atexili, 

Zalian kargad maxsovs, igive sakiTxze 

rogor asxamdnen Tavze 

lafs ana doliZes. 

ver davijereb, rom es adamianebi 

gulwrfelebi arian. maT- 

`Suamavlebis meSveobiT susis ufrosis yofili moadgile agent- 

provokatorobas mTavazobda. kerZod, "rusTavi 2-is" ofisSi unda mivsuliyavi 

da nika gvaramia Camewera. ise unda damexata suraTi, TiTqos is me davalebebs 

maZlevda. es Canaweri susSi unda mimetana, isini ki saubars ukrainul 

vikiliqsze atvirTavdnen. aseTi raRacis gakeTebas rom mTavazobdnen, amis 

Sesaxeb nika gvaramia gavafrTxile. susSi gaiges, rom "rusTavi 2-Si" viyavi 

misuli. albaT, Cveni saubris Sesaxebac gaiges da am saqmes SeeSvnen. mixvdnen, 

rom SeiZleboda, TavianT dagebul maxeSi Tavadve gaxlarTuliyvnen~ 

Tvis biZinac da „ocnebac” mas 

Semdeg gaxda cudi, rac komfortis 

zona datoves, ufro sworad 

daatovebines. 

me samoqalaqo aqtivisti var 

da maTTan araferi aRar makav- 

Sirebs. CemTvis yovelgvari usamarTloba 

miuRebelia da mas 

yovelTvis gavaprotesteb, vinc 

ar unda iyos xelisuflebaSi. 

am xelisuflebis pirobebSi 

qveyanas kargi momavali ar aqvs. 

saswrafod unda moxdes cvlilebebi. 

Seqmnili viTarebidan mxolod 

erT gamosavals vxedav _ 

unda moxdes prodasavluri 

Zalebis gaerTianeba. am erToba- 

Si yvela is Zala unda Sevides, 

vinc Tavs prodasavlurad miiCnevs. 

am partiebma e. w. nacionalebis 

kompleqsi unda daZlion. piradad 

me es kompleqsi davZlie. 

gvinda Tu ara, maT gareSe aseTi 

erToba ver Sedgeba. 

daTo berZeniSvilma Tqva, ase- 

Ti rame arc „nacionalebis” 

gareSe gamova da arc mxolod 

maTiTo. mis pozicias sruliad 

viziareb. 

qveyanaSi erTxel da samudamod 

unda davasruloT erTpartiuli 

mmarTveloba da droa, 

koaliciuri mTavroba gvyavdes. 

aseT SemTxvevaSi mTavrobac 

mravalferovani gveyoleba da _ 

`Cems dakavebas rac Seexeba, mizezi martivia - 

xelisuflebis mimarT Riad davafiqsire 

kritikuli azri. protesti gamovTqvi, roca 

pankisSi sisxliani specoperacia Caatares da 

axalgazrda biWi mokles. pankisSi 

specoperaciis Catareba ukavSirdeboda 

TbilisSi, beri gabrielis quCaze Catarebul 

farCak operacias. am sistemaSi namuSevari var 

da vici, rasac vambob~ 

parlamentic, rac qveynis demokratiul 

ganviTarebas mxolod 

waadgeba. 

amas im SemTxvevaSi mivaRwevT, 

Tu prodasavluri Zalebi gaer- 

Tiandebian. mxolod ase SeiZleba, 

rom erTi kacis mmarTveloba 

davasruloT. droa, yvela 

„qarTuli ocnebis” winaaRmdeg 

gaverTiandeT. 

_ yvelaSi mxolod prodasav- 

lur Zalebs gulisxmobT? 

_ ra Tqma unda. daqsaqsuloba 

Sedegs ver moitans. prodasavlurma 

Zalebma erToba unda Seqmnan 

da erT Zalad gavidnen ar- 

Cevnebze. es erToba aucileblad 

daamarcxebs am mankier xelisuflebas, 

romelic pirdapir rusuli 

xelisuflebaa da mas qar- 

TulTan aranairi kavSiri ar aqvs. 

_ Tqven wina xelisuflebas 

ebrZodiT da ebrZviT moqmedsac. 

romlis winaaRmdeg brZola 

ufro rTuli iyo? „sisx- 

liani 9 weli” argumentad aRar 

gamodgeba, amaT „gavrilovis 

Ramem” Zalian cudi iarliyi mi- 

aweba. 

_ SeiZleba, isini ufro sas- 

tikebi iyvnen, magram maSin is 

mainc vicodi, Tu vin iyo Cemi 

mowinaaRmdege, rac brZolas bevrad 

giadvilebs. 

„qarTuli ocnebis” SemTxveva- 

Si ki sul sxvagvarad aris saqme 

_ vin visi mowinaaRmdegea, vin vis 

gadaura, vin aris mteri da vin _ 

moyvare ver gaigeb. gaurkvevloba 

brZolas arTulebs. 

amas davumatoT didi fuli, 

romelic „ocnebis” liders aqvs. 

am didi fuliT SeuZliaT adamianebis 

mosyidva. 

rodesac Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad 

fuliT xdeba xalxis 

mosyidva, iq brZola gacilebiT 

rTulia. 

moralurad aris Zneli brZola, 

Torem Tavad es xelisufleba 

arafers warmoadgens. „qarTuli 

ocneba” oCofexebze dgas. 

amaT xelSi mter-moyvares ver 

arCev erTmaneTisgan, yofili megobrebi 

SeiZleba mtrebad geqcnen 

am dros. 

gagaxsenebT, Tu rogor koleqtiur 

taSs ukravda „ocneba” 

giorgi kvirikaSvils, roca is 

premieri iyo. rogorc ki Tanamdebobidan 

gaaTavisufles, misi 

lanZRva aseve koleqtiurad daiwyes. 

igive moxda eka beselias SemTxvevaSi. 

sanam biZinasTan daaxloebuli 

piri iyo, Sescicinebdnen, 

rogorc ki mas daSorda, egreve 

moralurad dauwyes ganadgureba. 

ai, esaa „qarTuli ocnebis” 

saxe. es yvelaze amazrzeni saxea, 

rac ki SeiZleba gunds hqondes. 

me piradad maT xrovas veZaxi, 

magram isini xom sakuTar Tavs 

gunds eZaxian. 

_ „ocnebidan” bolo dros 

aqtiurad modian. yvela maTgani 

ambobs, rom brZolas agrZele- 

ben. Tqveni azriT, SeZleben 

politikuri amindis Seqmnas? 

_ gamoricxulia, rom maT 

damoukideblad amindi Seqmnan. 

maTTvis axla erTaderTi gamosavli 

arsebobs, vinmes unda 

miekedlon. aseT SemTxvevaSi Seu- 

ZliaT, politikur procesebSi 

itivtivon. 

vimeoreb: damoukideblad maT 

arafris gakeTeba ar SeuZliaT 

da da saidanac movidnen politikaSi, 

isev iq wavlen. 

_ „ocnebaSi” darCenilebzec 

minda gkiTxoT: bevr maTgans, 

albaT, icnobT kidevac. Tqveni 

azriT, isini didxans SeZleben 

erT gundSi yofnas? 

_ ician, rom daSlis ufleba 

ar aqvT, radganac aseT SemTxvevaSi 

CamoiSlebian, magram maTi 

erTad yofnac SeuZlebelia _ 

Tanamdebobebs ver gainawileben. 

„qarTul ocnebaSi” Camoyalibda 

e. w. elita. yvelafers isini 

wyveten. danarCens maTi kaprizebis 

Sesruleba uwevT. amiT isini 

ukmayofiloni arian. ver vxvdebi, 

ratom ar aprotesteben amas 

da ar modian. imis gamo mainc wamovidnen, 

rom monis saxeli ar 

ataron. 

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vis sWirdeboda niu-iorkis Sexvedra, 

maS, ase! _ 2008 wlis Semdeg 

goCa mircxulava 

tarxunis, wiwmatis, mandarinis, 

599 26 83 83 

xinkal-xaWapuris, Rvinis, Savi 

zRvis plaJebis nostalgias ruse- 

Ti ver gaumklavda da qarTuli mxaris Txovnas _ diplomatiuri 

urTierTobebis arqonis pirobebSi dagvewyo molaparake- 

bebi _ dasTanxmda! 

progresi TvalsaCinoa, Cven 

ukve is ar varT, rac viyaviT, 

adlerSi ki ar CavdivarT an novoogorievoSi, 

an sulac kremlSi ki 

ar vxvdebiT mters, romelic Cveni 

Tanamoqalaqeebis arcTu mcire 

nawils erTmorwmune Zma hgonia, 

aramed niu-iorkSi. ra progresia, 

ara? am sarkazmSi simarTlisa da 

tragediis(!) gamijvna TqvenTvis 

momindvia. 

mwyobrad mivyveT movlenebs. 

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba diaxac, 

ver umklavdeba ruseTs, mis 

avantiuras, Tavxedobas, saerTa- 

Soriso samarTlis fexqveS gaTelvas. 

aris SemTxvevebi, rodesac koniunqturis 

an sixarbis gamo ar 

umklavdeba da amasac TvalnaTliv 

vxedavT, ramdeni sapirispiro argumentic 

ar unda movisminoT. 

ramdenic ar unda iyviros opoziciam, 

rom dRevandeli xelisuflebis 

pozicionireba ruseTis- 

Tvis winaaRmdegobis gasawevad 

saerTaSoriso asparezze arasakmarisia 

da Znelia, mas amaSi ar daeTanxmo, 

xolo dRevandelma xelisuflebam 

ramdenic ar unda 

„acxados”, sakuTari Tanmimdevrulad 

argaRizianebis politikis 

efeqtianobis Taobaze _ TiTqos 

TbilisSi rusuli tankebi rom ar 

dajligineben _ orive tyuis an 

Tavs ityuebs, radgan arc erTia 

marTali da arc _ meore. 

da, ai, ratom... detalurad ar 

gagaxsenebT dRevandeli xelisuflebis 

narativs, mxolod mSral 

azrs gavimeoreb, rom saqarTvelos 

maSindeli (anu wina) xelisuflebis 

mizeziT davkargeT teritoriebi. 

dRevandeli opozicia ambobs, 

rom saqarTvelos amJamindeli xelisuflebis 

mizeziT vkargavT 

yoveldRiurad axal teritoriebs. 

orive faqti sworia, mizezebi ki _ 

utrirebuli. 

axla sxva rames gagaxsenebT: 

2008 wlis ivnisSi sankt-peterburgSi 

gaimarTa mixeil saakaSvilisa 

da dimitri medvedevis Sexvedra, 

sadac namdvilad iyo viTarebis 

deeskalaciis mcdeloba. 2008 

wlis ivlisis Sua ricxvebidan da 

gansakuTrebiT agvistos pirvel 

ricxvebSi, lamis yoveldRe konfliqtis 

zonaSi saqarTvelos xelisuflebas 

diplomatebi Cahyavda. 

es xdeboda im pirobebSi, rodesac 

avtomatebi kakanebdnen, tankebi 

dagruxunebdnen da qvemexebis 

zalpebi ayruebda aremares. rodesac 

yvela gonieri adamiani grZnobda, 

rom omi wuTi-wuTze daiwyeboda. 

da ra moxda? ho, eg yvelam 

viciT. amitom namdvilad usindisobaa 

imaze saubari, TiTqos saakaSvilis 

xelisuflebam rame daaklo 

omis Tavidan acilebis process 

gansakuTrebiT saerTaSoriso TanamegobrobasTan 

aqtiuri muSaobis 

konteqstSi. da ras miaRwia maSin 

xelisuflebam anu dRevandeli 

opoziciis mniSvnelovanma nawilma? 

_ arafers! ra SeiZleboda ukeT 

gamosuliyo, amaze bWobas axla, 

gansakuTrebiT xelisuflebis 

mxridan, azri ar aqvs. ratom? imitom, 

rom zustad ise, rogorc wina 

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xelisuflebis dros, es xelisuflebac 

borderizaciis procesisa 

da mavTulxlarTebiT gayofili 

saqarTvelosa da ara soflebis, 

sanaxavanad nebismieri kritikuli 

viTarebisas adgilze Caiyvans xolme 

diplomatebs, saerTaSoriso 

organizaciis warmomadgenlebs. 

mgoni, WogritSi momzirali frau 

merkelic gvaxsovs xom okupaciis 

zolTan Tu xazTan? amitom opoziciis 

mxridan imaze yvirili, TiTqos 

es xelisufleba arafers akeTebs 

da msofliom ar icis, ra 

xdeba Tbilisidan 80 kilometrSi, 

minimum, tyuilia. Sedegi? vxedavT 

da vgrZnobT yoveldRiurad _ okupacia 

grZeldeba! 

anu rasTan gvaqvs saqme? imasTan 

xom ara, rom realurad saerTa- 

Soriso sazogadoeba ruseTis mimarT 

uZluria? im ruseTis, 

romelmac imave ukrainis sakiTxze 

aSS-s, germanias, safrangeTsa da 

britaneTs Tavze gadaaxia lamis 

ori aTeuli wlis win gaformebuli 

xelSekruleba da jer yirimis 

„mSvidobiani” aneqsia moaxdina, Semdeg 

ki cxeli omi wamoiwyo donbas- 

Si... SexedeT, aba, romel saxelmwifoebs 

„gaubeda”... an ra, imave 

evrokavSirs ar gadaaxia Tavze 

2012 wlis 12 agvistos cecxlis 

Sewyvetis SeTanxmeba? iTxovs vinme 

amaze pasuxs an mouTxovia, calkeuli 

wamoknavlebis garda, rac 

ufro sajaro moxmarebisaa, vidre 

ruseTTan erTi-erTze an koleqtiurad 

dialogisas gaJRerebuli 

kategoriuli paradigma. 

iciT, realurad, ra xdeba? 

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas 

zedmeti Tavis tkivili ar sWirdeba. 

amiTac aris ganpirobebuli 

maTi mowodebebi dialogisgen. am 

dialogis pirobebSi Tu gavisrisebiT, 

es Cveni „arCevani” iqneba. mTavaria, 

cxeli omi ar iyos, romelsac 

ganvrcoba da regionuli destabilizaciis 

gamowveva SeeZleba. 

bolos da bolos, isini sakuTari 

keTildReobisTvis zrunaven. es 

aris mocemuloba da am viTarebaSi 

Tu ramiT SeZleben Cven daxmarebas, 

xom kargi, Tu arada _ dialogis 

mowodeba xom hqondaT. kondoliza 

raisis ar iyos, _ vafrTxilebdio. 

Cven ki ar unda gavefrTxilebineT, 

kremlSi unda 

ebakunebina Tavisi wvrili quslebi 

xmamaRla. magram warsuli warsulia. 

barem erTic _ ruseTi arasodes 

uwevs angariSs saerTaSoriso organizaciebs, 

sadac masac da sxva 

wevrebsac Tanabari xma aqvT. Tu 

sxvebs hyavT momxreebi iq, hyavs 

ruseTsac. igi mxolod Zalas uwevs 

angariSs. sxva yvelaferi absurdia. 

mis mier xelmowerili dokumentis 

fasi-Rirebuleba im 

qaRaldis fass ar aRemateba, 

romelzedac es xelmowera daisva. 

es mainc xom Zalian cnobili mosazrebaa, 

ufro faqti, romelic 

araerTxel gamoscada drom. 

*** 

„lavrovi is kacia, romelsac 

omSi daRupulTa memorialTan qedis 

moxra uWirs”, _ vwerdi, jer 

kidev, 2005 wels, rodesac ruseTis 

sagareo saqmeTa ministrma Tbilis- 

`zogadi STabeWdileba am Sexvedridan iseTia, 

rom saqarTvelo ruseTis wnexs daeqvemdebara 

da daTmobaze wavida. TvisTavad Sexvedris 

faqtic daTmobaa da Sexvedraze kidev raze 

SeTanxmdnen, RmerTma icis~ 

Si vizitis farglebSi gmirTa memorialis 

monaxulebaze da gvirgviniT 

Semkobaze uari ganacxada. 

maSin, qveynis sagareo saqmeTa ministri 

salome zurabiSvili iyo da 

unda vaRiaroT is faqti, rom 

vizitis formati saswrafod Seicvala 

_ oficialur vizits saqmiani 

daerqva. diplomatiaSi aseTi 

ram iSviaTad xdeba, Tumca qarTuli 

mxaris pasuxi absoluturad 

adekvaturi gaxldaT. 

(samwuxarod, es statia, CemTvis 

ucnobi mizezebis gamo, axla internetSi 

ar devs, Tumca google-s 

saZiebo sistemaSi iZebneba sityvebiT: 

„lavrovi is kacia, romelsac 

omSi daRupulTa memorialTan qedis 

moxra uWirs”...) 

ratom vamaxvileb yuradRebas 

am faqtze? erTi is, rom lavrovi 

analogiurad aranairad ar moiqceoda 

da arc arasodes moqceula, 

somxeTSi genocidis msxverplTa 

memorialis monaxulebisas. magram 

es ar aris mTavari. mTavaria meore 

_ „msoflio donis diplomatma”, 

salome zurabiSvilma, romelsac 

win edo rusuli mzakvrobis araer- 

Ti magaliTi, ratom ver ganWvrita, 

niu-iorkSi gamarTuli Sexvedris 

Semdeg ruseTma sakuTari 

Tavi mowyale imperatoris, xolo 

saqarTvelo muxlze davardnili 

mavedreblis pozaSi rom Caayena? 

metad mniSvnelovani kiTxva 

saqarTvelos mTavrobas da sagareo 

saqmeTa ministrs: ra wvlili 

aqvs Setanili am Sexvedris organizebaSi, 

mis inicirebaSi, imave 

saerTaSoriso partniorebis ganwyobebis 

mosamzadeblad, saqarTvelos 

xelisuflebis dasarwmuneblad 

Sexvedris aucileblobaSi, 

Tavad prezident zurabiSvils? 

kiTxva ar aris ritorikuli, xolo 

mTavroba da sagareo uwyeba 

valdebulic gaxlavT, masze amomwuravi 

pasuxi gagvces. 

*** 

da isev dialogis aucileblobas 

davubrundeT. dapirispirebuli 

mxareebi cxeli omis dros awarmoeben 

dialogs-molaparakebebs. am 

mowodebaSi araferia miuRebeli. 

Tan isic vaRiaroT, rom Cven amJamad 

Zalian arasaxarbielo viTarebaSi 

varT. zemoT naTqvamsac gavimeoreb, 

rom saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobas 

da Cvens partniorebsac 

araferSi sWirdebaT samxedro dapirispireba, 

sadac gamarjvebulis 

vinaoba winaswar aris cnobili. miT 

ufro, rom mSvidobis pirobebSi 

isini veranairad axerxeben, Tundac, 

2008 wlis status-kvos aRdgenas. 

magram rodesac aseT molaparakebebs 

iwyeb da Tan im pirobebSi, 

rodesac ar gaqvs diplomatiuri 

urTierToba, Sexvedra minimaluri 

warmatebiT unda daasrulo. meore 

_ molaparakebebis magidasTan vidre 

dajdebi, xelSi rame saxis xelmosaWidi 

koziri unda gqondes, 

Tu mowinaaRmdegesTan, minimum, 

Tanabar pirobebSi ar xar. sxva 

SemTxvevaSi nebismieri aseTi Sexvedra, 

raoden kargi ganzraxvac ar 

unda gqondes, damazianebelia. 

axla ramdenime argumenti: 1. 

davuSvaT, rom es Sexvedra moiTxova 

qarTulma mxarem da aq vaRiaroT 

_ umZimes viTarebaSi varT. 

es, minimum, sWirdebaT saerTa- 

Soriso partniorebs, Tundac imisTvis, 

rom darwmundnen _ saqarTvelo 

eskalaciis asarideblad yvelafers 

akeTebs da Tavadac erTgvari 

komforti igrZnon; 2. lavrovis 

gancxadeba gaTvlilia sakuTar 

da qarTvel obivatelze imitom, 

rom mas sakuTari koniunqturuli, 

saxelmwifoebrivi da derJavnikuli 

miznebi aqvs. calkeuli eqsperti 

am gancxadebis saerTaSoriso 

zianzec saubrobs da maTac unda 

daveTanxmoT. magram iq Tu es uceb 

daaviwydebaT, aq CvenTan didi xani 

iqneba aqtualuri; 3. lavrovi imis 

demonstrirebas axdens, rom Tavad, 

anu ruseTi aris „derJava” da mas 

emudarebian, exvewebian. anu 

akeTebs sakuTari qveynis Zlevamosilebis 

demonstrirebas da am 

teqstebis, Tu Cveni yuri ar aris 

miCveuli, dasavleTSi gadasarevad 

esmiT; 4. axla ratom dasTanxmda 

qarTuli mxaris „Txovnas” ruseTi, 

mas xom hyofnis Tavxedoba, akeTos 

is, rac surs da rogorc surs? imitom 

xom ara, rom mas saerTa- 

Soriso benefitebi da imijis damatebiTi 

Strixebi sWirdeba? 5. 

daujerebelia, rom ar axsenes 

borderizaciis sakiTxi. mjera, 

rom am Temaze lavrovi komentars 

ar gaakeTebs. es damakninebelia 

derJavisTvis da misi mosaxleobisTvis 

_ Tundac, „rogor gagvibedes”, 

konteqstSi. amitom aq zalkalianis 

ufro mjera. lavrovi ki 

ar ityueba, ubralod, ar ambobs, 

ar awyobs amis Tqma; 6. saqarTvelos 

xelisuflebas ar unda gaukvirdes 

mosaxleobis da dainteresebuli 

pirebis (erTi erTSi emTxveva 

erTmaneTs) skepticizmi (optimistebis, 

anu ruseTumeebis mesmis), 

radgan argaRizianebis politikis 

garda xelisuflebisgan am xnis 

ganmavlobaSi araferi ismis; 7. aris 

Tu ara saWiro kontaqtebi? diax! 

magram aseTi donis Sexvedrebs, savaraudod, 

ufro kuluaruli diplomatia 

sjobs, mkveTri dRis wesrigiT. 

am dRis wesrigis SemuSavebas 

ki verc calke aRebuli premieri 

da verc sagareo saqmeTa ministri 

ver SeZleben. amas sWirdeba 

yvela, uklebliv yvela yofili sagareo 

saqmeTa ministris, Temaze 

momuSave yvela diplomatisa da 

ramdenime gonieri eqspertis erT 

oTaxSi gamoketva da, minimum, orisami 

gegmis dadeba, romelsac 

memkvidreobiTobis principi eqneba 

yvela xelisuflebisTvis, sa- 

Tanado koreqtirebebis SesaZleblobebiT; 

8. politikaSi arsebobs 

„SesaZlebloba”. axla imaze saubari, 

guSin ra Secdomebi dauSves, 

uazrobaa. guSindelis analizis, 

deRevandeli realobis gaTvaliswinebiT, 

unda ganisazRvros xvalindeli 

dRis wesrigi; 9. dRes 

qiliki xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg 

ar mimaCnia sworad. aq kritikas ar 

vgulisxmob. kritika da Tan argumentirebuli, 

ar unda movakloT, 

Torem qilikze arc maT gauWirdebaT 

pasuxi _ exerxebaT da Tema 

waagebs amiT. metic: amiT saxelmwifos 

vakninebT da esec unda gaviazroT; 

10. politika aris realoba, 

politika yovelTvis aris 

mkacri da daundobeli, politika 

buduarebSic ki keTdeba, magram 

„kuxnaSi” _ ara! 

*** 

am yvelafris gaTvaliswinebiT 

SevxedoT movlenas: xelisufleba 

jiutad ambobs, rom mas TiTqos 

vinme Sexvedris faqts edaveba. es 

sulac ar aris ase. vgonebT, Tavadac 

xvdebian da uyrueben mocemulobas 

da Tu ver xvdebian, kidev 

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anu ra unda ruseTs saqarTvelosgan?.. 

uaresi maTTvis. 

politilogi gia nodia acxadebs: 

imaSi araa problema, rom 

qveynis sagareo ministri Tundac 

okupanti qveynis sagareo saqmeTa 

ministrs xvdeba. SeiZleba, saWiroa 

da xvdeba, amisTvisaa diplomatia. 

magram es zogadad. konkretulad, 

axla ratom Sexvda? ratom dadga 

axla amis aucilebloba? ra konkretuli 

mizani hqonda Sexvedras? 

TerTmeti weli rom ar yofila 

Sexvedra ministrebis doneze, axla 

ra Seicvala? 

„problema is aris, rom roca 

ruseTTan urTierTobas exeba 

saqme (sxva sakiTxebSic, cxadia, magram 

axla amaze vlaparakobT), 

mTavroba ndobas ar imsaxurebs. 

rogor esmis mas saqarTvelos 

erovnuli interesi da rogor 

icavs mas? zogadi STabeWdileba am 

Sexvedridan iseTia, rom saqarTvelo 

ruseTis wnexs daeqvemdebara 

da daTmobaze wavida. TvisTavad 

Sexvedris faqtic daTmobaa da Sexvedraze 

kidev raze SeTanxmdnen, 

RmerTma icis. 

am Sexvedris Semdeg lavrovma 

ganacxada, rom SeiZleba frenebze 

embargo moixsnas. ratom Tqva 

axla? e. i. es savaWro Tema iyo? ras 

moiTxovs sanacvlod? Tu es 

savaWro Tema iyo, maSin es udidesi 

Secdomaa _ aseTi embargos gamo 

araferi ar unda daTmo. saerTod, 

yuradReba ar unda miaqcio. ase 

STabeWdilebas qmni, rom advilia, 

saqarTvelos raRacebi daaTmobino: 

dagiweseben rame embargos, ra- 

Racas daTmob, mogixsnian, isev 

dagiweseben da a. S. 

qarTuli mxridan vinc amarTlebs 

am Sexvedras, ambobs, rom 

saokupacio xazze daZabuloba 

Seneldeba. rogor, ratom? rame 

konkretuli danapirebi iyo? aba- 

SiZe da karasini rom xvdebodnen, 

ar midioda borderizacia mSvenivrad? 

vimeoreb, Teoriulad ver gamovricxav, 

rom Sexvedra saWiro 

yofiliyo. magram, samwuxarod, xelisufleba 

gacilebiT met safuZvels 

gvaZlevs, mis aseT nabijebs 

didi eWvis TvaliT SevxedoT. 

saerTaSoriso Tamegobroba ki 

miesalmeba _ eg yvelanair dialogs 

yovelTvis esalmeba. es arafers 

niSnavs”, _ aRniSnavs gia nodia. 

Zalian niSandoblivia istorikosis 

da Jurnalistis, daviT gamcemliZis 

mier gakeTebuli Sefaseba 

gaeros genasambleis farglebSi 

sergei lavrovis Semajamebel 

preskonferenciasTan dakavSirebiT. 

gamcemliZe acxadebs, rom raki 

diplomatiaSi „velosipedis gamogoneba” 

yvelaze Znelia, araviTar 

SemTxvevaSi (araviTar SemTxveva- 

Si!!!) ar SeiZleba, damarcxebuli, 

dapyrobili, okupirebuli, damcirebuli 

qveynis xelisufleba 

dampyrobs da okupants xvdebodes 

mxolod SexvedrisTvis. anu „Sexvedra-SexvedrisTvis”, 

_ acxadebs 

gamcemliZe. 

misive TqmiT, mTvari is ki ar 

aris, Tu vin iyo iniciatori, mTavaria, 

rac uTxra lavrovma msoflios. 

„mTavari is ki ar aris, rac Tqva, 

Tu vin iyo iniciatori. rasakvirvelia, 

saqarTvelo iyo. magram arsebiTi 

sxvaa: lavrovma mTel msoflios 

uTxra: „saqarTvelo gvexveweba 

raRacas da am xvewnas davakmayofilebT 

Tu ara, mxolod Cvens 

keTil nebazea damokidebuli. es 

keTili neba ki imaze, saqarTvelo 

rogor moiqceva. anu is ki ara, rom 

igi rames iTxovs saqarTvelosgan. 

lavrovma SesaniSnavad icis, rom 

azri ar aqvs an natos, an neitralitetis, 

an diplomatiuri urTier- 

Tobebis sakiTxis dayenebas (ar 

daijeroT zRaprebi) „ocnebis” xelisuflebis 

winaSe, radgan am 

nabijebs „ocneba” ar/ver gadadgams. 

misi mizani sxvaa, rasac miaRwia 

am SexvedriT (vimeoreb): „saqarTveloa 

mTxovneli/maxvewari, 

xolo ruseTi _ dinjad fiqrobs, 

moiRos mowyaleba Tu ara”. ai, amgvari 

„dispozicia” ki mTeli msofliosTvis 

imis maniSnebelia, rom 

Tu saqarTvelo-ruseTis urTier- 

Tobebi ar gvardeba, ar gvardeba 

mxolod imitom, rom... saqarTvelo 

arasakmarisad „exveweba”, _ acxadebs 

daTo gamcemliZe. 

gamcemliZe msjelobaSi ufro 

Sors midis da aq, faqtobrivad, 

emTxveva misi da Cemi zemoT aRniSnuli 

mosazreba imis Taobaze, rom 

es Sexvedra ruseTs sWirdeboda, 

iqneb saqarTveloze metadac: 

„diplomatiur mastodont lavrovs 

Sedegi ki ar ainteresebda, 

aramed faqti Sexvedrisa da meti 

araferi! aseT dros Sexvedris 

„faqti” mudam „Zlieris” sasargeblod 

muSaobs da ara „sustisa” da 

okupirebulis. „Sexvedra-SexvedrisTvis” 

Cvens mdgomareobaSi, 

aris katastrofa! Sexvedras azri 

eqneboda mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, 

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Tuki raime arsebiTi xelSesaxebi 

Sedegi mainc „daideboda” (maSinve). 

da raki es absoluturad SeuZlebelia, 

amgvari Sexvedra araviTar 

SemTxvevaSi ar unda Semdgariyo 

imis gaTvaliswinebiTac ki (amaSi 

eWvi ar SegeparoT), rom Cveni 

dasavleli partniorebi didi xania 

„afuSingeben” xelisuflebas, maTi 

terminilogiiT „gaaZlieros dialogi” 

anu maTive terminologiiT, 

„ingeijmenti” ruseTTan. ki, namdvilad 

asea, magram unda SegeZlos 

imaTi „dapaSolebac”, roca aucilebeli 

da gardauvalia. 

jerjerobiT ki „Sexvedram SexvedrisTvis” 

problema Seqmna saer- 

TaSoriso asparezze (saerTa- 

Soriso „mxrebis aCeCvis” poza gaa- 

Zliera: „aba, saqarTvelo TviTon 

wasula „kanosas” da...”) da xelisuflebas 

Seuqmna problema qveynis 

SigniTac _ misca legitimuri 

„saTqmeli” opozicias”, _ acxadebs 

daTo gamcemliZe. 

aseve sayuradReboa misi pozicia 

Sexvedris konfidencialur 

nawilTan, anu imaze, rasac „verasodes 

gavigebT”, ufro Tu davkonkredtdebi, 

_ imaze, razec 

isaubres da malaven. amasTan dakav- 

SirebiT gamcemliZe acxadebs: rac 

Seexeba „konspirologias”, TiTqos 

„raRacaze saidumlod moilaparakes” 

„ar daijeroT, araferzec ar 

moulaparakiaT! moskovs am istoriaSi, 

am etapze(!), sWirdeboda mxolod 

TviT Sexvedris faqti _ 

meti araferi. Cveni sagareo saqme- 

"diplomatiur mastodont lavrovs Sedegi ki ar 

ainteresebda, aramed faqti Sexvedrisa da meti 

araferi! aseT dros Sexvedris "faqti" mudam 

"Zlieris" sasargeblod muSaobs da ara "sustisa" 

da okupirebulis. "Sexvedra-SexvedrisTvis" Cvens 

mdgomareobaSi, aris katastrofa! Sexvedras 

azri eqneboda mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tuki 

raime arsebiTi xelSesaxebi Sedegi mainc 

"daideboda" (maSinve). da raki es absoluturad 

SeuZlebelia, amgvari Sexvedra araviTar 

SemTxvevaSi ar unda Semdgariyo imis 

gaTvaliswinebiTac ki (amaSi eWvi ar SegeparoT), 

rom Cveni dasavleli partniorebi didi xania 

"afuSingeben" xelisuflebas, maTi 

terminilogiiT "gaaZlieros dialogi" anu 

maTive terminologiiT, "ingeijmenti" ruseTTan. 

ki, namdvilad asea, magram unda SegeZlos imaTi 

"dapaSolebac", roca aucilebeli da 

gardauvalia~ 

Ta ministri bevrad gulwrfeli(hm!) 

iyo, roca yveboda saubris 

Sinaarss, vidre „seroJa” (sergei 

lavrovi, _ avt.) 

*** 

rac moxda, moxda. es qarTuli 

diplomatiisTvis namdvilad ar 

aris warmatebuli nabiji. magram 

axla sainteresoa Semdegi: sergei 

larvovi, romelic msoflio diplomatiis 

umaRles ligaSia, 

vgoneb, erTaderTia momqmed sagareo 

ministrebs Soris postze yofnis 

xangrZlivobiT. igi msoflio 

diplomatiis veSapia _ udidesi 

gamocdilebiT, sicbieriT, WkuagonebiT 

da masTan Sexvedra, molaparakebebi 

wamyvani saxelmwifoebis 

liderebs uWirT. mowinaaRmdeges 

Tu ar icnob, ar gaqvs Seswavlili 

misi Zlieri mxareebi, ueWveli 

fiaskos ganicdi. 

„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebis 

pirobebSi, jer kidev maSin, 

rodesac qveynis premieri irakli 

RaribaSvili iyo, erT-erTi saer- 

TaSoriso organizaciis moTxovniT 

gaimarTa saqarTvelosa da 

ruseTis ministrebis (ar vasaxeleb 

Segnebulad) teqnikuri Sexvedra. 

iqve SeTanxmda, rom Sexvedra iqneboda 

konfidencialuri da rusebma 

is meore dRes gaaxmovanes, 

rogorc saqarTvelos iniciativa. 

amis Semdeg saerTaSoriso organizaciis 

winaSe daisva kiTxva, _ 

ratom moxda ase da ratom dairRva 

piroba? pasuxi: amaTsas ras 

gaigeb... Cemgan davZen, rom ufro 

naTlad didi xnis win iTqva: „Óìîì 

Ðîññèþ íå ïîíÿòü”. 

xelisuflebas, romelsac mokavSireebTan 

da partniorebTan 

molaparakebebis gamocdileba da 

praqtika ar gaaCnia da sagareo ministrebs, 

premierebs, prezidentebs 

kvartalSi erTxel xvdeba (klerkebs 

ar vgulisxmob) da egreve veSap- 

Tan rom jdeba molaparakebis magidasTan, 

cotaze meti xom unda 

ifiqros Sedegebze? lavrovTan 

saubars putinTan saubari sjobs. 

waikiTxeT msoflios wamyvani 

politikosebis, diplomatebis, 

liderebis memuarebi, mogonebebi, 

analizi. 

zemoT aRniSnuli SemTxveva rom 

gaeTvaliswinebinaT, ministri zalkaliani 

ityoda: diax, Cveni moTxovniT(!) 

gaimarTa Sexvedra. Cven 

SevexeT mimdinare borderizaciis 

procesis miuReblobas da aRiniSna 

eskalaciis procesis minimumamde 

dayvanis aucilebloba. SevexeT 

sxva aqtualur Temebs da regionul 

sakiTxebs (mokled, am Sinaarss 

yvela miiRebda). axla ra gamodis? 

zustad is, rom Sexvedris ormxrivi 

survili (amis gareSe lavroviruseTi 

ar dasTanxmdeboda) qar- 

Tuli mxaris, lamis, muxlze davardnilis, 

mudarad gasaRda. hoda, 

imis Tqma minda, Tu am Sexvedridan 

xelisufleba rame pizitiurs 

eloda, isic wyalSi Cayara. 

*** 

diax, rodesac molaparakebebis 

magidasTan jdebi, xelSi raRac 

unda gqondes _ raRac argumenti an 

Zala. am viTarebaSi ar daviRlebi 

da kvlav gavimeoreb: daiwyeT politikuri 

dialogi opoziciasTan, 

saeqsperto wreebTan, saerTaSoriso 

partniorebTan okupirebuli 

teritoriebis izolaciis politikaze, 

romlis calkeul detalebze 

adre vwerdi. amis Semdeg 

naxavT, vin gaxdeba molaparakebebis 

iniciatori da rogor Seicvleba 

damokidebulebebi. naxavT, rogor 

moiqcevian saerTaSoriso partniorebi 

da imasac, ramdenad momxibvleli 

gavxdebiT am partnirebisTvis. 

susts aravin uwevs angariSs, 

miT ufro ruseTis konteqstSi, 

romelsac angariSs zeZlierebic 

uweven. gaiTvaliswineT, ruseTTan 

saubars, minimum, politikuri konsensusi 

da zurgi sWirdeba. 

*** 

dabolos, xSirad mesmis, rom 

putins sabWoTa kavSiris aRdgena 

surs. ara! es briyvuli msjelobaa. 

sabWoTa kavSiris piroebSi rusi 

moqalaqe sulac ar gaxldaT Zlevamosili. 

aba, daakvirdiT qarTveli 

matrabazebis msjelobas 37 

maneTian TviTmfrinavis bileTze 

da rogor atrialebdnen moskovs 

sakuTar Wkuaze, TviT is kuana 

(didi bodiSi, _ avt.) qarTvelebi, 

ubansa da mezoblebSi rom Tavaweuli 

ver dadiodnen. im siglaxesac 

gagaxsenebT, zogs rom vaJkacoba 

hgonia _ Turme, rogor 

aTrobdnen rus maspinZels da mere 

maT colebs ubaxebdnen. Tqven ra, 

fiqrobT, rom putini am ruseTis 

reanimirebas cdilobs? gaixedeT 

gareT, daakvirdiT, minimum, saSualo 

donis rus turistebs da mixvdebiT... 

ho, 7 da 8 agvistos rom 

rusuli droSebiT Rreoben aq, eg 

kidev araferi. axla saSineli rame 

minda davwero imaT mimarT, romlebic 

vaJkacobas da siglaxes, baqibuqobas 

erTmaneTisgan ver 

arCeven, maT dRevandel SesaZlo 

arCevanze, ukve asakovan ojaxis 

wevrebze Tu gnebavT axalgazrdebze, 

magram Tavs Sevikaveb... umjobesia, 

yvela Tavad mixvdes, romeli 

ruseTis reanimirebas apirebs 

putini da mas, merwmuneT, sul araferSi 

sWirdeba mxarze wamokidebuli 

da sakvebi, sarCeni saqarTvelo, 

rogorc es bevrs hgonia da 

fiqrobs. amas qveda donezec Tu 

gaiazreben Cveni Tanamoqalaqeebi, 

Zalian kargi _ cxadia, zemoT Zalian 

cudad da Znelad esmiT arsebuli 

realoba. ho, gana, marTla 

tarxunis, wiwmatis, mandarinis, 

xinkal-xaWapuris, Rvinis, Savi 

zRvis plaJebis nostalgia klavT 

ruseTSi... eh... 

*** 

kidev saWiroa imis ganmarteba, 

vis ufro sWirdeboda niu-iorkis 

Sexvedra? an is, Tu ra unda 

ruseTs? an imis axsna, ratom ar 

SeiZleba araTanabar mdgomareoba- 

Si yofnisas molaparakebebis magidasTan 

dajdoma? 

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èkaterine tikaraZem socialurad 

saqarTveloSi milionamde ad- 


amiani socialurad daucvelad 

599 92 16 22 

miiCneva. qveyanaSi, sadac bavSvebi 

SimSiliT iRupebian, xelisufle- 

ba yovelwliurad aseulobiT milion lars xarjavs axali 

manqanebis SesaZenad. aTeulobiT milioni lari ixarjeba Ci- 

nosnebis sawvaviT momaragebaze. milionobiT lars xarjavs bi- 

ujeti maTi sarestorne Tu samivlinebo xarjebis dasafarad. 

premia-danamatebs saTvalavi saerTod ar aqvs. samagierod, so- 

cialurad daucvelebisTvis Wirs Tanxebis moZieba. 

rogor keTdeba fuli ufaso 

sasadiloebSi? ratom toveben 

gaWirvebulebs daxmarebis gar- 

eSe? ratom dascina jandacvis 

ministrma socialurad daucve- 

lebs? _ am Temebze „qronika+”-s 

„axali saqarTvelos” socialuri 

mimarTulebis xelmZRvane- 

li, Teona WaliZe esaubreba: 

_ Cven araerTi mitovebuli 

Tu gadagdebuli Cvili gvinax- 

avs, magram sazogadoeba SeZra 

erTi Cvilis istoriam. dedam is 

gaWirvebis gamo miatova da amaze 

werilic dawera, werili im kal- 

aTaSi ido, sadac Cvili iwva. 

rasTan gvaqvs saqme? sad aris 

saxelmwifo? 

_ qveyanaSi mZime socialurekonomikuri 

mdgomareobaa. am 

mdgomareobas cifrebSi Tu gadaviyvanT, 

kidev ufro mwvaved SevigrZnobT 

am viTarebis simZimes. 

oficialurad, socialurad 

daucvelTa monacemTa erTian 

bazaSi erTi milioni adamiania. 

aqedan daaxloebiT 500.000 Rebulobs 

Semweobas. es niSnavs, rom 

es adamianebi daxmarebas fuladi 

saxiT iReben. 

yovelTviuri Semweoba ganisazRvreba 

60, 50 da 30 laris odenobiT. 

es damokidebulia imaze, 

Tu ra qula aqvs ama Tu im ojaxs 

miniWebuli. qulebs gaWirvebul 

ojaxebs specialuri samsaxuri 

aniWebs. 

SemweobiT mxolod is ojaxebi 

sargebloben, romlebic ukidures 

siRaribeSi imyofebian da maT 

sxva aranairi Semosavali ar gaaCniaT. 

es adamianebi ar cxovroben, 

isini ubralod arseboben saxelmwifos 

xarjze. isini mTlianad 

damokidebuli arian saxelmwifoze, 

riTac xSirad borotad 

sargeblobs xelisufleba. xSiria 

SemTxveva, roca socialurad 

daucvelebs Semweobis moxsniT 

emuqrebian, Tu isini arCevnebSi 

xelisuflebisTvis sasurvel kandidats 

ar miscemen xmas. 

saqarTvelos mosaxleoba, sul 

raRac, 3.5 milions Seadgens. aqedan 

milioni socialurad daucvelia. 

warmoidgineT, ra mZime 

viTarebaa qveyanaSi, mosaxleobis 

erTi mesamedi Ratakia. 

bolo kvlevebiT dadasturda, 

rom saqarTveloSi yoveli mexuTe 

bavSvi SimSilobs. samwuxarod, 

gvxvdeba faqtebi, roca bavSvebi 

arasrulfasovani kvebis 

gamo iRupebian. 

saarsebo Semweobebis daniSvnis, 

SeCerebisa da Sewyvetis procedurebi, 

romelic kanoniT aris 

dadgenili, ukidures gaWirveba- 

Si myofi adamianebis mimarT gul- 

grilia. 

_ gulgrilobaSi ras gulisx- 

mobT? 

_ periodulad xdeba im ojaxebis 

gadamowmeba, romlebic Semweobas 

Rebuloben. yoveli am gadamowmebis 

dros, roca am ojaxis 

wevri daapatimres an ojaxs 

mouwia sacxovrebeli adgilis 

Secvla, maT uCerdebaT saarsebo 

Semweoba sami Tvis ganmavlobaSi. 

sami Tvis Tavze, rodesac biurokratiuli 

procedurebis 

gavlis Semdgom dadasturdeba, 

rom ojaxi imsaxurebs daxmarebas, 

isini SeCerebul daxmarebas er- 

Tianad iReben, rac, Cemi azriT, 

arasworia. es adamianebi sami Tve 

ulukmapurod rCebian. samwuxarod, 

saqarTveloSi xalxs Zalian 

uWirs da es adamianebi valsac 

ver aiReben, rom is periodi gadaagoron, 

roca daxmareba SeCerebuli 

aqvT. 

„endiais” bolo kvlevaSi gamokiTxulTa 

umravlesoba ambobs, 

maT ojaxs 300 laris sesxeba rom 

dasWirdes, am Tanxas mevaxSis 

garda veravisgan isesxeben. mevax- 

Sisgan fulis sesxeba ki imas niSnavs, 

rom ufro meti Tanxa unda 

daabrunon, procenti gadaixadon. 

es uares dReSi Caagdebs isedac 

ukidures siRatakeSi mcxovreb 

adamianebs. 

saarsebo Semweobis SeCerebis 

procedura naxevar milionze 

met adamians exeba _ yvelas, vinc 

am fulad daxmarebas iRebs. 

Cven am mimarTulebiT ukve 

ramdenime welia, vmuSaobT da 

xelisuflebas mivmarTavT, rom 

es procedura Secvalon, radgan 

adamianebis gaWirvebaSi datoveba 

ar SeiZleba. amaze aravin reagirebs. 

saxelmwifo isev gaWirvebuli 

adamianebis xarjze akeTebs 

ekonomias. 

axlaxans or iseT ojaxSi 

viyavi, romelsac saarsebo Semweoba 

SeCerebuli aqvs. erTi gaxldaT 

SSm piri. am adamians dabadebidan 

ar aqvs kidurebi, xelebi. 

is izrdeboda bavSvTa saxlSi. 

ar hyavs ojaxi, naTesavebi. 

marto cxovrobs. 

_ aseT adamians daxmareba 

SeuCeres? 

_ diax! adamians kidurebi ar 

aqvs da aseT mdgomareobaSi myofi 

sakuTar Tavs Tavad patronobs. 

warmoidgineT, ra dRe- 

Si iqneba is. 

saxelmwifom esec ar akmara da 

socialuri Semweoba sami TviT 

SeuCera. riT unda iarsebos? riT 

unda gadaixados komunaluri gadasaxadebi? 

_ es saxelmwifos es 

ar adardebs. 

meore ojaxi lilos dasaxlebaSi 

cxovrobs. maT sami mcirewlovani 

bavSvi hyavT. erTi sul 

ToToa, axla daibada. monacemTa 

bazis gadamowmebis farglebSi 

ojaxs daxmareba SeuCerda. 

es ojaxi isedac mZime pirobeb- 

Si cxovrobda, daxmarebis SeCerebis 

Semdeg kidev ufro mZime 

dReSi Cavarda. axalSobilisTvis 

uWirT sakvebis SeZena. aseT dgomareobaSi 

ojaxma sami Tve unda 

gaataros. rogor unda gaZlos es 

sami Tve, amaze aravin ar fiqrobs. 

araerTxel mivwereT parlamentis 

jandacvis komitets, jandacvis 

yofili ministri daviT 

sergeenko aklebuli gvyavda, axla 

ekaterine tikaraZes mivmar- 

TavT da viTxovT, gadamowmebis 

periodSi socialurad daucvelebs 

ar SeuCerdeT daxmareba. 

maTgan aranairi reagioreba ar 

aris. socialurad daucvelebs 

yoveli gadamowmebis dros sami 

TviT SimSiloba mouwevT. an mevaxSisgan 

unda isesxon fuli. 

_ Tqven aqtiurad muSaobdiT 

ufaso sasadiloebis kuTxiT. 

uamravi darRveva aRmoaCineT da 

Teona WaliZe: 

àdamians, 

romelsac 

kidurebi 

ar aqvs, 

socialuri 

daxmareba 

mouxsnes~ 

masalebi prokuraturas gada- 

eciT. Seicvala rame iq? an gamo- 

Zieba Tu daiwyo? 

_ ufaso sasadiloebi Tbilis- 

Si didi raodenobiT gvaqvs, sadac 

yoveldRiurad 40.000-mde 

beneficiari ikvebeba, aseve rig 

municipalitetebSic. saxalxo 

damcvelis angariSebSi araerTxel 

aris miTiTebuli, rom yvela 

adamians ar miuwvdeba xeli kvebaze. 

dRes arsebuli ufaso sasadiloebi 

gaWirvebulebs ar hyofnis. 

moTxovna gacilebiT metia, 

vidre adgili. molodinis reJim- 

Si myof pirTa ricxvi sakmaod 

maRalia. es is moqalaqeebi arian, 

romlebic wlebia elodebian, 

rom mouwioT rigi. sami wlis win 

Cven marTlac mivmarTeT prokuraturas. 

Cven mier Catarebuli 

kvlevebis safuZvelze gamoZieba 

daiwyo, korufciul sqemaze iyo 

saubari. 

Tavidan prokuratura aqtiurad 

Seudga saqmes. araerTi sagamoZiebo 

moqmedeba Catarda, magram 

dRemde saboloo daskvna ar 

gakeTebula. imisTvis, rom saqmis 

`mTeli qveyana SeZra erTi dedis istoriam, 

romelmac gaWirvebis gamo axalSobili 

miatova. werilSi ewera, rom Tavad sami dRis 

mSieri iyo da bavSvis aRzrdisTvis aranairi 

resursi ar hqonda. es aris mTeli qveynis 

tragedia - siRaribis gamo mSoblebi Svilebs 

ar unda Sordebodnen~ 

gamoZieba ufro gamartivebodaT, 

SigadaSig damatebiT mtkicebulebebs 

vawvdidiT. 

samwuxarod, dRemde aravin 

dasjila. arada, milionobiT 

laria gaflanguli. ramdenime 

biznesoperatori gardaicvala 

kidec da maT pasuxs veravin 

mosTxovs. 

xSirad vawuxebT prokuraturas, 

yovel darekvaze gveubnebian, 

rom gamoZieba grZeldeba. 

gvpirdebian, rom Sedegebs aucileblad 

gvacnobeben. 

_ sakvebis xarisxze ra xdeba? 

maxsovs, Tqven Tavad sinjavdiT 

ufaso sasadiloebSi momzade- 

bul sakvebs da SeZrwunebuli iy- 

aviT. am mxriv Tu aris raime sas- 

ikeTo cvlileba? zog sasadil- 

oSi wlebis winaTac normalur 

sakvebs amzadebdnen, zogSi ki... 

_ ufaso sasadiloebSi yvelgan 

erTnairi xarisxis sakvebi ver 

iqneba _ yvela raionSi sxvadasxva 

biznesoperatoria. zogi metad 

keTilsindisieria, zogic _ naklebad. 

amazec aris damokidebuli, 

ramdenad srulyofil momsaxurebas 

iReben beneficiarebi. 

meore sakiTxia, rom Zalian 

mwiria TiTo beneficiarisTvis 

sakvebis mosamzadeblad gamoyofili 

Tanxa. es Tanxa 1.18 TeTridan 

1.30 TeTramde meryeobs. am 

TanxaSi Sedis ufaso sasadiloebis 

momsaxure personalis xelfasebi, 

komunauri gadasaxadebi, 

sasadilos qira, dezinfeqciis samuSaoebi 

da sxvadasxva procedura, 

rac am momsaxurebis gasawevad 

aris saWiro. 

didi kvleva ar sWirdeba imis 

mixvedras, Tu ra xarisxis sakvebi 

SeiZleba momzaddes am pirobebSi. 

aq ZiriTadi problema iyo siebi. 

aRmovaCineT, rom siebSi myofi 

beneficiarebis xSiri monitoringi 

da aRricxvianoba ar 

xorcieldeboda. biznesoperatorebi 

xedavdnen, rom beneficiarebis 

nawili ar dadioda sasadiloebSi 

da maTTvis gankuTvnil 

ulufas ar amzadebdnen. 

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daucvelebs Seuracxyofa miayena~ 

magaliTad, sasadiloSi siaSi 

iyo 600 beneficiari, magram 

yoveldRe mxolod samasi dadioda. 

es icodnen biznesoperatorebma 

da im danarCen samas ulufas 

ar amzadebdnen, Tanxas ki eqvsas 

ulufaze iRebdnen. ai, es iyo 

imaTi mogeba. 

Cveni Carevis Semdeg meriis 

Sida auditis samsaxuri iZulebuli 

gaxda, monitoringi daewyo. 

Tbilisis meriis Sida auditis 

daskvniT Cveni kvlevis Sedegebi 

kidev ufro gamyarda. 

amis Semdgom gamgeobebma ufro 

aqtiuri monitoringi daiwyes, 

beneficiarTa siebi gadaxalisda. 

siebSi is adamianebi arian, vinc 

metad saWiroebs ufaso sasadiloebis 

momsaxurebas. am mimar- 

TulebiT garkveuli winsvla gvaqvs. 

Tbilisis ramdenime gamgeobam 

isic ki gaakeTa, rom biznesoperatorebs 

Tanxas gamzadebuli 

ulufebidan gamomdinare uxdis. 

SedarebiT gaumjobesda sakvebis 

xarisxic. monitoringi am mimarTulebiTac 

xorcieldeba. 

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom aTaso- 

biT adamiani elodeba rigs. Tu 

aris am adamianTa zusti monace- 

mebi? 

_ zusti monacemebi ar aris. 

TbilisSi viciT, rom ramdenime 

aTasi adamiani dgas rigSi. ra 

xdeba regionebSi ar viciT. am municipalitetebSi 

ar gvaqvs berketi, 

rom gavakontroloT, ramdenia 

msurveli da momlodine. 

iseTi SemTxvevebic yofila, 

roca gaWirvebuli adamianebis 

gancxadebasac ki ar ibarebdnen. 

es axlac grZeldeba. 

_ gancxadebis Cabareba raRa 

problemaa? 

_ ar vici. am adamianebs pirdapir 

eubnebian, rom adgilebi ar 

aqvT ufaso sasdiloSi da gancxadeba 

ar daweron, azri ar aqvs. 

arada, sakvebze moTxovnileba 

Zalian maRalia. SemweobisTvis 

gankuTvnili Tanxebi saarsebo 

minimumTanac ki ver midis axlos. 

calke sakiTxia, ramdenad asaxavs 

realobas saarsebo minimumi, 

ramdenad aris is sakmarisi arsebobisTvis. 

saarsebo SemweobaSi 

70% aris sakvebis Tanxa, ase 

gveubnebian, rom unda imyofinon. 

30% sxva danarCenzea gaTvaliswinebuli. 

es 30% iciT, ramdenia? sul 

raRac 49 lari. 49 lari adamians 

TveSi unda eyos imisTvis, rom 

komunaluri gadasaxadebi gadaixados, 

tanisamosi, medikamentebi, 

higienis nivTebi SeiZinos, aseve 

mgzavrobis fuladac gamoiyenos. 

_ aseTi mcire Tanxa Tu sakmarisia 

saarsebod, Tavad Cinos- 

nebs ratom aqvT aseTi maRali 

xelfasebi? hqondeT 1.000 lari 

da nu aiReben 6.000 lars. 

_ ai, magaSia swored saqme, rom 

maRalCinosnebi mxolod sakuTar 

keTildReobaze fiqroben. maTi 

mizania, rac SeiZleba bevri fuli 

iSovon. xalxze aravin fiqrobs. 

arada, isini pirvel rigSi swored 

`saarsebo SemweobaSi 70% aris sakvebis Tanxa, ase gveubnebian, rom unda 

imyofinon. 30% sxva danarCenzea gaTvaliswinebuli. es 30% iciT, ramdenia? 

sul raRac 49 lari. 49 lari adamians TveSi unda eyos imisTvis, rom 

komunaluri gadasaxadebi gadaixados, tanisamosi, medikamentebi, higienis 

nivTebi SeiZinos, aseve mgzavrobis fuladac gamoiyenos~ 

xalxis interesebs unda atarebdnen. 

socialuri solidaroba da 

socialuri pasuxismgebloba 

Zalian mniSvnelovani ramea. saxelmwifos 

mTavari prioriteti 

adamiani unda iyos. imis SegrZneba 

unda gvqondes, rom saxelmwifio 

socialurad daucvel moqalaqeebze 

zrunavs. 

oriode kviris win mTeli qveyana 

SeZra erTi dedis istoriam, 

romelmac gaWirvebis gamo axal- 

Sobili miatova. werilSi ewera, 

rom Tavad sami dRis mSieri iyo 

da bavSvis aRzrdisTvis aranairi 

resursi ar hqonda. 

es aris mTeli qveynis tragedia 

_ siRaribis gamo mSoblebi 

Svilebs ar unda Sordebodnen. 

saqarTveloSi sakmaod xSirad 

xdeba siRaribis gamo ojaxebidan 

bavSvebis gamoyvana da maTi mindobiT 

aRzrdaSi gadayvana. 

oficialuri monacemebiT, 

dRes mindobiT aRzrdaSi, daaxloebiT, 

1.500 bavSvi imyofeba, 

aqedan udidesi nawili swored 

siRaribis gamoa ojaxebidan gamoyvanili. 

mSoblebi Svilebs mindobiT 

aRzrdaSi abareben imitom, rom 

Tavad maT ver uqmnian saTanado 

pirobebs. 

`sasadiloSi siaSi iyo 600 beneficiari, magram 

yoveldRe mxolod samasi dadioda. es icodnen 

biznesoperatorebma da im danarCen samas 

ulufas ar amzadebdnen, Tanxas ki eqvsas 

ulufaze iRebdnen. ai, es iyo imaTi mogeba~ 

ar var mindobiT aRzrdis winaaRmdegi, 

Tu ojaxis wevri narkomania, 

paTologi, moZalade an 

alkoholiki, magram siRaribe ar 

unda iyos mizezi bavSvis mindobisa. 

_ gamosavals sad xedavT? amas 

xom mSoblebi sakuTari nebiT 

akeTeben? 

_ am nabijs imitom dgamen, rom 

bavSvis gamokvebisa da misTvis 

normaluri pirobebis Seqmnis sa- 

Sualeba ar gaaCniaT. 

saxelmwifom aseTi ojaxebi 

unda gaaZlieros da maqsimalurad 

Seuwyos xeli, rom bavSvebi 

mSoblebs ar daSordnen. 

cota ucnaurad meCveneba is 

faqti, rom biologiur mSoblebs 

daaSoro bavSvi siRaribis gamo 

da mere mimndob ojaxs gadauxado 

Tanxa, raTa es bavSvi gazardo. 

erTxel mqonda mindobiT 

aRzrdaSi myof bavSvTan Sexeba. 

man gulis tkiviliT aRniSna, rom 

ojaxi Tavis Svilebs ufro Tbilad 

eqceva da maTTan kanfetic 

ki sxvanairi miaqvTo. es bavSvi Zalian 

daCagrulad grZnoibda 

Tavs. 

misi naambobi Zalian mZimed 

momxvda gulze. darwmunebuli 

var, kidev iqnebian misnairi bavSvebi. 

_ mimndob ojaxebs ra odeno- 

bis Tanxas uxdis saxelmwifo? 

_ es Tanxa imazea damokidebuli, 

bavSvi janmrTelia Tu SSm 

piri. Tu ar vcdeebi, saubaria 

TveSi 600 da 800 larze. 

_ amdeni Tanxa biologiur 

mSoblebsac rom gadauxadon, 

isinic Seuqmnian raRac pirobebs 

bavSvs. 

_ iseTi politika aqvT, rom 

biologiur mSoblebs es Tanxa ar 

unda gadauxadon. vfiqrob, aris 

SesaZlebloba, raRac Sualedi 

moinaxos. kidev erTxel vambob: 

mTeli qveynis tragediaa, roca 

bavSvi mSobels siRaribis gamo 

Sordeba. 

_ mTeli intervius manZilze 

siRaribeze vsaubrobT. miuxeda- 

vad imisa, rom qveyanaSi milioni 

socialurad daucveli gvyavs, 

„qarTuli ocneba” jiutad amtkicebda, 

rom siRaribe daama- 

rcxa. bolo xanebSi ki aRiares, 

rom saqarTveloSi siRaribea 

gamefebuli. ram auxila Tvali 

xelisuflebas? 

_ siRaribes xan aRiarebs xelisufleba, 

xan _ ara. es imazea 

damokidebuli, Tu rogori vi- 

Tarebaa qveyanaSi. mTavrobis 

damtkicebis dros parlamentis 

winaSe angariSiT jandacvis ministri 

ekaterine tikaraZec wardga. 

man ganacxada, rom socialuri 

mimarTulebiT uamravi cvlileba 

dagegmes. 

ministri dagvpirda, mWidrod 

viTanamSromlebT ama Tu im saministrosTan, 

rom moqalaqeebis 

dasaqmebas xeli SevuwyoTo. 

es imitom unda gavakeToT, 

raTa moqalaqeebs dasaqmebis motivacia 

gauCndeT da ar iyvnen 

damokidebuli saarsebo Semweobazeo. 

amiT man socialurad 

daucvel adamianebs Seuracxyofa 

miayena, isini abuCad aigdo. 

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom socialurad 

daucvelebs Seuracx- 

yofa miayena? 

_ am gancxadebiT man xazi gausva, 

TiTqos adamianebi, romlebic 

socialur daxmarebas iReben, 

zarmacebi arian. TiTqos maT 

saarsebo Semweoba urCevniaT 

Rirseul samsaxurs. 

ise daxata suraTi, viTom uamravi 

samuSao adgilia saqarTveloSi 

da muSaoba aravis unda. 

bolo kvlevebSi pirdapir 

Cans, _ saarsebo Semweobebis mim- 

Rebebi motivirebulebi arian, 

rom dasaqmdnen da im mdgomareobidan 

gamovidnen, romelSic 

axla arian. 

Tqveni gazeTis meSveobiT minda, 

qalbaton ekaterine tikaraZes 

vuTxra: socialurad daucvelebs 

sakmarisi motivacia aqvT, 

rom am groSebze ar iarsebon. 

aravis siamovnebs 30, 50 da 60 

lariT mTeli Tvis ganmavlobaSi 

arseboba. am TanxiT ver icxovreb, 

am TanxiT mxolod iarsebeb. 

es kargad unda icodes ministrma. 

aseTi gancxadebebis gakeTebas 

da xalxis Seuracxyofis miyenebas 

urCevniaT, realuri samuSao 

adgilebi Seqmnan. aravin 

aris zarmaci da uqnara. 

imisTvis, rom samuSao adgilebi 

Seiqmnas, saWiroa ekonomika 

ganviTardes. im xelisuflebis 

pirobebSi, romelic korufciaSia 

Cafluli, ekonomika ver ganvi- 

Tardeba. 

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Tamar rostiaSvili 

577 10 07 06 

is, rom bavSvebi Raribi ojaxebidan 

toveben saganmanaTleblo dawesebulebas, raTa TavianT 

ojaxebs ekonomikurad daexmaron; is, rom 4-5 wlisebis mxolod 

59%-s aqvs sami an meti sabavSvo wigni, amaze Cveni ganaTlebis 

sistema Tvals xuWavs, anda Semoifargleba komen- 

tarebiT: „ar aris mase”, „riT amtkicebT?” 

xom SeiZleboda, erTi maTgani 

mainc gascnoboda „saqarTveloSi 

bavSvebisa da maTi ojaxebis keTildReobis 

kvlevis” angariSs, romlis 

Tanaxmadac, jer kidev, ori 

wlis win saqarTveloSi siRaribis 

maCveneblebi gaizarda. aRniSnuli 

angariSi gaeros bavSvTa fondis 

saqarTvelos ofisTan TanamSromlobiT 

moamzada „analizisa da 

konsultaciis jgufma”. 

umTavres problemad yvelaze 

xSirad saqarTveloSi mcxovrebi 

ojaxebi umuSevrobas, medikamentebis 

yidvasa da sacxovrebel pirobebs 

asaxeleben. samedicino servisebis 

xelmisawvdomobis zrdis miuxedavad, 

im ojaxebis procentuli 

maCvenebeli, romlebic mTavar 

problemad medikamentebis SeZenas 

asaxeleben, 26.4%-dan 27.8%-mde 

gaizarda. anu ori wlis ganmavlobaSi 

bavSviani ojaxebis gaWirvebis 

done 1,4%-iT gaizarda. Tuki kvlevis 

wina etapebze ojaxebis 12.4%- 

ma umTavres problemebad sesxebisa 

da sabanko kreditebis dafarva 

daasaxela, 2017 wlisTvis aseTi Sinameurneobebis 

procentuli wili 

11.2%-mde Semcirda. amasTan er- 

Tad, „mosaxleobis keTildReobis 

kvlevis” Sedegebi gviCvenebs, rom 

umuSevrobis problema gansakuTrebiT 

xSirad bavSvian ojaxebSi 

gvxvdeba (bavSvianSi 28%-Si, maSin, 

roca im ojaxebSi, sadac bavSvebi 

ar cxovroben, es maCvenebeli 19%- 

ia). im bavSviani ojaxebis procentuli 

maCvenebeli, romelTa Ziri- 

Tad problemas sesxis an sabanko 

kreditis gadaxda warmoadgenda, 

16%-dan 17%-mde gaizarda. ubavSvo 

ojaxebSi ki es maCvenebeli 2017 

wels 8%-mde Semcirda, 2015 wlis 

10%-Tan SedarebiT. 

„mosaxleobis keTildReobis 

kvlevis” miRebuli monacemebis 

mixedviT, saqarTveloSi siRaribis 

maCveneblebi gaizarda. mosaxleobis 

siRaribisa da keTildReobis 

mdgomareoba warmodgenil angariSSic 

samomxmareblo xarjebis 

analizis safuZvelze Sefasda. 

erovnul doneze, Sinameurneobebis 

mTliani raodenobis 4.3%, mosaxleobis 

5.0%, bavSvebis 6.8% da 

pensionerebis 3.7% ukiduresi siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT cxovrobs. 

aqve davZenT (ukiduresi siRaribis 

zRvrad miCneulia 1.25 aSS dolari 

dReSi, rac erT ekvivalentur 

zrdasrul pirze TveSi 82.8 lars 

Seesabameba). Sefasebis Tanaxmad, 

ukidures siRaribeSi myofi pirebis 

wili soflad 4.0%-ia, xolo 

urbanul dasaxlebebSi _ 4.5%. ori 

wlis periodSi ukiduresi siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT myofi ojaxebis, 

mosaxleobis, bavSvebisa da pensionerebis 

raodenoba gaizarda 

2.6%, 2.9%, 4.3% da 2.0 procentuli 

punqtiT. 

7 wlis bavSvTa skolaSi siarulis 

TvalsazrisiT, kvlevam uRaribessa 

da umdidres jgufebs Soris 

TiTqmis veranairi sxvaoba ver gamoavlina. 

skolis gakveTilebs 

bavSvTa 96.4% eswreba: gogonaTa 

96.3%, xolo biWebis 96.4%. genderuli 

efeqti umniSvneloa. gogonebisa 

da vaJebis skolaSi siarulis 

saSualo maCveneblebi statistikurad 

ar gansxvavdeba. saSualo skolis 

ufros klasebSi mniSvnelovan 

rols TamaSobs adgilmdebareobis 

faqtori: qalaqebSi 15-18 

wlis bavSvTa 91.0% dadis saSualo 

skolaSi an umaRles saganmanaTleblo 

dawesebulebaSi, soflebSi ki 

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bavSvi iseT ojaxSi cxovrobs, romlis 

wevrTa minimaluri moTxovnilebebi 

dakmayofilebuli ar 

aris. Sefasebis mixedviT, qveynis 

masStabiT, ojaxebis 15.8%, mosaxleobis 

17.5%, bavSvebis 22.1% da 

pensionerebis 13.9% saarsebo minimumis 

zRvars qvemoT cxovrobs. 

bavSvian ojaxebSi siRaribis ma- 

Cveneblebi ufro maRalia. magali- 

Tad, ori wlis win ojaxebis 33%-s, 

sul mcire, erTi bavSvi mainc hyavda. 

aRsaniSnavia, rom ojaxebSi bav- 

SvTa raodenobis zrdasTan erTad 

mniSvnelovnad izrdeba fardobi- 

Ti da zogadi siRaribis maCveneblebic. 

magaliTad, fardobiTi da 

zogadi siRaribis zRvrebs qvemoT 

cxovrobs erT an orbavSviani ojaxebi. 

roca saqme sam an met bavSvian 

ojaxebs exeba, fardobiTi siRaribis 

maCvenebeli TiTqmis 39.9%- 

mdea, xolo zogadi siRaribis 

SemTxvevaSi _ 33.4%-mde izrdeba. 

bavSvTa siRaribis riski ufro 

dabalia iseT ojaxebSi, romlis 

zrdasruli wevris ganaTlebis done 

SedarebiT maRalia an romlis 

zrdasrul wevrsac regularuli 

anazRaurebadi samuSao aqvs. siRaribis 

yvela doneze Rarib ojaxebSi 

mcxovrebi bavSvebis procentuli 

wili kvlavac ufro maRayoveli 

mexuTe Raribi bavSvi 

15-18 asakobrivi jgufidan 

skolaSi aRar swavlobs 

es maCvenebeli mxolod 82.4%-ia. 

arsebobs mniSvnelovani gansxvaveba 

uRaribesi da umdidresi bavSvebis 

saswavlo dawesebulebaSi 

daswrebis TvalsazrisiT. adreul 

asakSi bavSvebi naklebad SeZlebuli 

ojaxebidan ar dadian skolamdeli 

ganaTlebis dawesebulebaSi 

an dawyebiT skolaSi. 15-18 wlis 

asakis uRaribesi bavSvebis daaxloebiT 

81% dadioda skolaSi, xolo 

umdidres kvintilSi (statistikaSi 

kvintili niSnavs, roca populacia 

iyofa xuTze, ricxobrivi 

maxasiaTebeli, _ red.) imave asakobrivi 

jgufis 98% ganagrZobs 

ganaTlebas. es niSnavs, rom yoveli 

mexuTe Raribi bavSvi 15-18 asakobrivi 

jgufidan aRar swavlobs. 

gansxvaveba gacilebiT TvalsaCino 

xdeba 18 wlis Semdeg, roca bavSvebi 

Raribi ojaxebidan toveben saganmanaTleblo 

dawesebulebas, savaraudod, 

imitom, rom ekonomikurad 

daexmaron sakuTar ojaxebs. 

uRaribesi segmentidan 20 wlis axalgazrdebis, 

daaxloebiT, 5% dadioda 

raime tipis saganmanaTleblo 

dawesebulebaSi umdidresi 

segmentis 77%-Tan SedarebiT. sainteresoa, 

rom zogierTi axalgazrda 

uRaribesi segmentidan ubrundeba 

formalizebul ganaTlebas, 

savaraudod, ekonomikurad ga- 

Zlierebis Semdeg. 

wignebTan adreul wlebSi ziareba 

ara mxolod exmareba bavSvs 

beWdviTi kulturis ukeT gaazrebaSi, 

aramed aZlevs mas sxvebis 

kiTxvis procesis naxvis saSualebas, 

magaliTad, rogor asruleben 

ufrosi da-Zmebi saskolo davalebebs. 

ojaxSi wignebis arsebobas 

didi mniSvneloba aqvs Semdgomi akademiuri 

moswrebisa da IQ qulebisTvis. 

saqarTveloSi 36-59 Tvis 

bavSvTa mxolod 59%-s aqvs sami an 

meti sabavSvo wigni, maT Soris mxolod 

36%-s uRaribesi da 88%-s 

umdidresi jgufebidan. es niSnavs, 

rom Raribi ojaxebidan 10 bavSvidan 

eqvss ar aqvs sakmarisi wvdoma 

sabavSvo wignebTan. amasTan er- 

Tad, qalaqSi mcxovreb bavSvebs (3- 

dan 5 wlamde) mniSvnelovnad ufro 

meti wvdoma aqvs sabavSvo wignebTan 

(66.3%), vidre maT, vinc soflis 

SinameurneobebSi cxovrobs (52.6%). 

bavSvis adreuli ganviTarebis indeqsi 

(ECD Index) afasebs, sworad 

viTardeba Tu ara bavSvi kiTxvadaTvlis, 

fizikur, socialuremociur 

da swavlis sferoebSi. 3- 

dan 5 wlamde bavSvebis mxolod 

22.8%-s SeuZlia „kiTxva da daTvla”. 

anu bavSvs SeuZlia amoicnos 

an daasaxelos anbanis, sul mcire, 

aTi aso. aseve daasaxelos da amoicnos 

yvela cifri 1-dan 10-is 

CaTvliT. 48-59 Tvis bavSvebSic ki 

mxolod 32.3%-s SeuZlia kiTxva da 

daTvla. bavSvTa adreuli ganaTlebis 

sistemaSi CarTuli 3-5 wlis 

bavSvebidan 28.3%-ma icis „kiTxva 

da daTvla” maSin, roca es maCvenebeli 

Seadgens 15.3%-s im bavSvebisTvis, 

romlebic ar dadian bagabaRSi. 

ori wlis ganmavlobaSi fardobiTi 

siRaribis zRvars qvemoT mcxovrebi 

ojaxebisa da mosaxleobis 

wili, Sesabamisad, 20.7%-dan 22.5%- 

mde da 23.1%-dan 24.8%-mde gaizarda. 

Rarib ojaxebSi mcxovrebi bavSvebis 

raodenoba 26.8%-dan 31.6%- 

mde gaizarda. fardobiTi siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT mcxovreb pensionerTa 

wilic 19.3%-dan 20.4%- 

mde gaizarda. Sefasebebis mixedviT, 

soflebSi fardobiTi siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT cxovrobs ojaxebis 

24.1%, xolo urbanul dasaxlebebSi 

_ Sinameurneobebis 20.9%. 

saqarTveloSi, bolo wlebSi, 

zogadi siRaribis done gaizarda. 

Tu 2015 wels es maCvenebeli 16.4%- 

s Seadgenda, ori wlis Tavze 19.6%- 

Seadgina. Cvens qveyanaSi zogadi si- 

Raribis zRvars qvemoT cxovrobs 

ojaxebis 19.6%, mosaxleobis 21.7%, 

bavSvebis 27.6% da pensionerebis 

17.6%. aqve davZenT, rom zogadi 

siRaribis zRvrad miCneulia 2.5 

aSS dolari dReSi, rac erT ekvivalentur 

zrdasrul pirze TveSi 

200 laramde Tanxas Seesabameba. Sefasebis 

mixedviT, zogadi siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT soflad ojaxebis 

20.8% da qalaqad 18.4% cxovrobs. 

2015 welTan SedarebiT, 

zogadi siRaribis zRvars qvemoT 

mcxovrebi mosaxleobis, bavSvebisa 

da pensionerebis ricxvi gaizarda. 

imis miuxedavad, rom bolo periodSi 

zogadi siRaribis zrda samwuxaro 

faqtia, es maCveneblebi 

mainc ukeTesia 2013 welTan SedarebiT, 

rodesac, zogadi siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT ojaxebis 21.8%, mosaxleobis 

24.6%, bavSvebis 28.4% 

da pensionerTa 20.6% cxovrobda. 

kvlevis Sedegad, yoveli mexuTe 

òjaxSi wignebis arsebobas didi mniSvneloba 

aqvs Semdgomi akademiuri moswrebisa da IQ 

qulebisTvis. saqarTveloSi 36-59 Tvis bavSvTa 

mxolod 59%-s aqvs sami an meti sabavSvo wigni, 

maT Soris mxolod 36%-s uRaribesi da 88%-s 

umdidresi jgufebidan. es niSnavs, rom Raribi 

ojaxebidan 10 bavSvidan eqvss ar aqvs sakmarisi 

wvdoma sabavSvo wignebTan. amasTan erTad, 

qalaqSi mcxovreb bavSvebs (3-dan 5 wlamde) 

mniSvnelovnad ufro meti wvdoma aqvs sabavSvo 

wignebTan (66.3%), vidre maT, vinc soflis 

SinameurneobebSi cxovrobs (52.6%)~ 

lia, vidre, _ mTeli mosaxleobis 

an pensionerTa procentuli wili. 

SinameurneobebSi, mTlian mosaxleobasa 

Tu bavSvebSi siRaribis dabali 

maCvenebeli pirdapir kavSir- 

Sia ojaxebSi zrdasrulTa gana- 

Tlebis maRal donesTan. amasTan 

erTad, SinameurneobaSi regularulad 

dasaqmebuli wevris yola 

orjer metad amcirebs bavSvTa 

zogadi da fardobiTi siRaribis 

risks. 

siRaribis subieqturi Sefasebis 

maCvenebeli mosaxleobis yvela 

jgufSi Semcirda. imis miuxedavad, 

rom 2017 wels samomxmareblo siRaribe 

gaizarda, Raribad naklebi 

adamiani grZnobs Tavs. 

2013 wels saqarTvelos mTavrobam 

SemoiRo skolamdeli aRzrdis 

ufaso sistema. winamdebare 

angariSi Seiswavlis bavSvTa daswrebas 

formalur saswavlo dawesebulebebSi. 

„mosaxleobis keTildReobis 

kvlevis” mixedviT, kvlevis wina saswavlo 

wlis ganmavlobaSi sabavSvo 

baRebSi 3-5 wlamde bavSvebis 

63.7% dadioda. sabavSvo baRis aRsazrdelTa 

didi umravlesoba 

(98.8%) dadioda saxelmwifo 

dawesebulebaSi da mxolod 1.2% _ 

kerZo baga-baRSi. sabavSvo baRis 

aRsazrdelTa 42.7% iyo 3 wlis, 

73.3% iyo 4 wlis da 74.4% ki _ 5 

wlis. ar arsebobda mniSvnelovani 

gansxvaveba gogonebisa (66.5%) da 

vaJebis (61.3%) daswrebis maCveneblebSi. 

mTlianobaSi daswrebis maCvenebeli 

mcired gaizarda, xolo 

kerZo skolamdel dawesebulebaSi 

daswreba Semcirda. mTlianobaSi, 

3-5 wlis bavSvTa sabavSvo baRSi 

daswrebis maCvenebeli qalaqebSi 

ufro maRalia, vidre soflebSi. 

kerZod, maTi 57.5% dadis sabavSvo 

baRSi qalaqad da 42.5% ki soflad. 

kvlevis Sedegad dadginda, rom 

ojaxebis 22.5% fardobiTi siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT cxovrobs. aseve 

soflisa da qalaqis dasaxlebebs 

Soris sxvaoba didia. 

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onkologiuri 

daavadebebi 

saqarTvelos jandacvis sistemisTvis kvlavac mniSvnelovan 

gamowvevad rCeba. janmrTelobis organizaciis 2014 wlis angariSis 

mixedviiT, saqarTveloSi sikvdilianobis 94% aragad- 

amdebi daavadebebiTaa gamowveuli. amasTan 14% onkologiur 

daavadebebze modis. 

statistikis erovnuli samsaxurisa 

da kibos populaciuri registris 

informaciiT, 2014 wlidan 

moyolebuli, simsivniT gardacvlilTa 

yvelaze maRali maCvenebeli 

Tbilissa da imereTSia. imere- 

Tis regionSi 2017 wels simsivniT 

gardacvalebis 1077 SemTxveva dafiqsirda, 

1860 adamiani daiRupa 

imave mizeziT dedaqalaqSi. aRsani- 

Snavia isic, rom regionSi simsivniT 

mamakacebis ufro didi raodenoba 

iRupeba, vidre _ qalebis. 

sainteresoa daavadebulTa gadanawilebis 

arealic. statistikis 

erovnuli samsaxuris informaciiT, 

saSualod, 400-dan 1 adamiani 

imereTSi kiboTi iRupeba. simsivnuri 

daavadebebi regionSi gardacvalebis 

yvelaze didi mizezia. SedarebiT 

mcirea sxva daavadebebiT 

daRupulTa raodenoba. 

aqve aRsaniSnavia is faqtic, rom 

100 000 mosaxleze gamovlenili 

SemTxvevebis mixedviT regionebSi 

pirveli,, Tbilisis Semdeg, raWaleCxumi 

da qvemo svaneTia. 

kibos gamowvevis erT-erT mizezad 

jandacvis saministros mier 

gakeTebul angariSSi, sxva faqtorebTan 

erTad, kancerogenebiT 

dabinZurebuli garemo saxeldeba. 

aqve vkiTxulobT, rom, samwuxarod, 

saqarTveloSi ar arsebobs 

sruli informacia samuSao adgilebze 

arsebuli kancerogenebisa 

da im muSebis Sesaxeb, romlebic 

mavne elementebis eqspozicias ganicdian. 

Sromis, janmrTelobisa da socialuri 

dacvis saministroSi acxadeben, 

rom simsivnuri daavadebebi 

zrdis tendenciiT xasiaTdeba. 

Tumca, ZiriTadad, maCveneblis 

zrdas ara SemTxvevebis matebas, 

aramed daavadebaTa registraciis 

gaumjobesebas ukavSireben. 2015 

wels uwyebam monacemTa mopovebis 

meTodologia Secvala. yvela samedicino 

dawesebuleba, sadac onkologiuri 

diagnozi ismeba, valdebulia, 

TiToeuli SemTxveva e. w. 

kibos populaciur registrSi daafiqsiros. 

kibos populaciur registrs 

jandacvis saministro daavadebaTa 

kontrolis erovnul 

saagentosTan erTad awarmoebs. 

qalebSi registrirebuli avTvisebiani 

axalwarmonaqmnebis 

struqtura 2015-2017 wlebSi, mTeli 

saqarTvelos masStabiT, identuria. 

yvela SemTxvevis 32%-s 

Seadgens sarZeve jirkvlis kibo, 

xolo 10-15%-s _ farisebri jirkvlis 

kibo. qalebSi aseve gavrcelebulia 

koloreqtiumis, saSvilosnos 

yelisa da saSvilosnos tanis 

kibo. kacebSi registrirebuli 

avTvisebiani axalwarmonaqmnebis 

axali SemTxvevebis saerTo raodenobaSi 

5 yvelaze gavrcelebuli 

lokalizacia TiTqmis daemTxva 

erTmaneTs. mamakacebi imereTSi, 

iseve rogorc mTel saqarTvelo- 

Si, yvelaze xSirad filtvis, 

winamdebare jirkvlis, Sardis buStis, 

koloreqtiumisa da xorxis kiboTi 

avaddebian. 

kibos sikvdilianoba maRalia im 

asakobriv jgufebSi, sadac avadoba 

maRalia _ sikvdilianoba mkve- 

Trad matulobs 50 wlis asakis zemoT; 

kiboTi gardacvlilTa xvedriTi 

wili yvelaze maRali 70 wlis 

asakze ufros mosaxleobaSia (44%), 

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romelsac 50-69 wlebis asakobrivi 

jgufi mosdevs (43%). sikvdilianobis 

asakobrivi ganawileba gasuli 

saukunis 90-ian wlebTan SedarebiT, 

garkveulwilad, Seicvala; ker- 

Zod, 70 wlis asakis zemoT gardacvlilTa 

xvedriTi wili 7%-iT gaizarda, 

maSin roca 50-69 da 15-49 

wlebis asakobrivi jgufebidan Ti- 

ToeulSi sikvdilianoba 3-4%-iT 

Semcirda. bavSvebisa da 14 wlis 

asakamde mozardebis kiboTi gamowveuli 

sikvdilianoba kvlav did 

gamowvevad rCeba, miuxedavad imisa, 

rom am asakobriv jgufze saer- 

To sikvdilianobis 1% modis, es 

niSnavs 80 000 sicocxles, romelic 

Sewyda bavSvobisa da/an mozardobis 

periodSi. 

aqvs Tu ara simsivnis gavrcelebis 

lokacias kavSiri industriul 

zonebTan? _ am kiTxvaze 

daavadebaTa kontrolis erovnuli 

centris aragadamdeb daavadebaTa 

departamentis kvlevaSi vkiTxulobT, 

rom garkveulwilad ki. magaliTad, 

mamakacebSi gavrcelebuli 

xorxisa da filtvis kibos ZiriTadi 

mizezi mwevelTa maRali 

ricxvia, Tumca aRsaniSnavia isic, 

rom imereTis regionSi simsivniT 

daavadebulTa yvelaze maRali maCvenebeli 

saCxeris, WiaTurisa da 

zestafonis municipalitetebze 

modis, rac, garkveulwilad, dakav- 

Sirebulia imasTan, rom es adgilebi 

industriul zonebs ganekuTvneba, 

adgilobrivebi ki maRali 

riskis Semcvel samuSaos ewevian. 

maRalia avadobis maCvenebeli qu- 

TaisSic: 2018 wlis atmosferuli 

haeris monitoringis Sedegebis 

mixedviT, zestafonTan, Tbilissa 

da baTumTan erTad, yvelaze dabinZurebuli 

qalaqebis siaSi mowinave 

adgils quTaisi ikavebs. magaliTad, 

garemos erovnuli saagentos 

monacemebiT zestafonSi 2017 

wels manganumis dioqsidis koncentracia 

haerSi 1.5-jer aRemateboda 

daSvebuls. amave monacemebiT 

gasul wels maRali iyo WiaTuris 

haerSi azotis dioqsidis Semcveloba, 

xolo qalaqSi wyali manganumiT 

gaxldaT dabinZurebuli. 

iseve rogorc sxva wlebSi, gasul 

welsac maRali iyo quTaisis haer- 

Si mtvris Semcveloba. 

WiaTuris haerSi aRmoCenili 

azotis dioqsidi haeris erT-erTi 

Zlieri damabinZurebelia. igi warmoiqmneba 

Sidawvis Zravisa da sigaretis 

kvamlisgan. misi maRali 

koncentracia iwvevs filtvebis, 

sasunTqi gzebis daavadebebs. janmrTelobaze 

moqmedebs manganumis 

dioqsidis maRali Semcvelobac. 

kvlevebi aCvenebs, rom pirebi, romlebic 

manganumis sabadoebSi mu- 

Saoben an sunTqaven am elementiT 

dabinZurebul haers, xSirad avaddebian 

pnevmoniiT, sasunTqi gzebisa 

da gul-sisxlZarRvTa daavadebebiT. 

TemasTan dakavSirebiT „qron- 

ika+” saqarTvelos mwvaneTa 

moZraoba „dedamiwis megobrebis” 

imereTis organizaciis koordinators, 

ekolog Teimuraz kepulaZ- 

es esaubra. kepulaZe aRniSnavs, 

rom mamakacebSi gavrcelebuli 

xorxisa da filtvis kibos ZiriTadi 

mizezi sigaretis pasiuri da 

aqtiuri mwevelobaa, Tumca ar Sei- 

Zleba gamoiricxos imereTSi arsebuli 

haeris dabinZurebis maRali 

maCvenebeli. ukve wlebia, quTaisi 

da zestafoni yvelaze dabinZurebuli 

qalaqebis siaSi xvdeba. haeris 

dabinZurebis mTavari mizezi 

quTaisSi avtomobilebis gamonabolqvi 

da qalaqTan axlos arsebuli 

nagavsayrelia. zestafoni 

wlebia, industriulad aqtiuri 

zonaa, feroSenadnobTa qarxnis 

gamonabolqvi qalaqis mosaxleobas 

seriozulad azaralebs. Teimuraz 

kepulaZe aRniSnavs, rom simsivniT 

daavadebulTa maRali maCvenebeli 

modis WiaTura-saCxerisa da tyibulis 

raionebzec, sadac mosaxleobis 

umravlesoba maRarosa da SaxtaSia 

dasaqmebuli. Sromis arasa- 

Tanado pirobebi, miwis qveS wiaRiseulis 

mopovebaSi gatarebuli 

dReebi adgilobrivebis janmrTelobaze 

aisaxeba. 

mamakacTa Soris xuTi yvelaze 

farTod gavrcelebuli onkologiuri 

daavadebis Sefaseba-gamovlenisas 

dasmuli stadiebis mixedviT, 

pirvel da meore stadiaze 

gamovlena gansakuTrebiT dabalia 

traqeas, bronqebis, filtvisa da 

kuWis kibos SemTxvevaSi (9.1% da 

13.7% Sesabamisad), rac miuTiTebs 

mosaxleobis nakleb informirebulobaze 

onkologiuri daavadebis 

simptomebisa da riskis faqtorebis 

Sesaxeb, xolo koloreqtaluri 

kibos dagvianebul stadiaze gamovlena 

(mxolod 19.2% iyo gamovlenili 

pirvel da meore stadiaze) 

adasturebs, rom mosaxleoba 

skriningul programebSi ar monawileobs. 

rac Seexeba qalTa Soris 

yvelaze farTod gavrcelebuli 

onkologiuri daavadebebis asakobriv 

Taviseburebebs, ZuZus, saSvilosnos 

yelis, saSvilosnos 

tanisa da koloreqtaluri (msxvili 

da swori nawlavebis avTvisebiani 

kibos saerTo dasaxeleba, _ 

red.) kibos SemTxvevaSi is SesabamisobaSia 

sxva qveynebSi arsebul 

tendenciebTan, Tumca farisebri 

jirkvlis kibo gamonakliss warmoadgens, 

misi sakamod farTo gavrcelebiT 

20-35 asakobriv jgufSi. 

grafiki 1: imereTSi simsivnuri daavadebebiT gar- 

dacvlilTa raodenoba, 2014-2017 wlebi: 

imereTi saqarTvelos regionebs 

Soris simsivniT gardacvlilTa 

maCvenebliT pirvel adgilzea 

daavadebaTa 

kontrolis 

erovnuli centris monacemebiT: 

2018 wels saqarTvelos masStabiT, 

avTvisebiani simsivne 9635 pacients 

daudginda, rac 100 aTas mosaxleze 

258.5 adamians Seadgens. maT 

Soris, aRniSnuli diagnozi 0-dan 

14 wlamde 48 pacients dausves. 

centrSi acxadeben, rom statistikis 

zrda ar niSnavs kiboTi daavadebis 

maCveneblis avtomatur 

zrdas. bolo wlebia, mimdinareobs 

daavadebis SemTxvevebis intensiuri 

aRricvxa, imata mimarTvianobamac. 

swored es faqtorebi ganapirobebs 

statistikis zrdas. 

uwyebaSi acxadeben, rom 2015 

wlis pirveli ianvridan qveyanaSi 

kibos populaciuri registris danergvis 

Semdeg, onkologiur daavadebaTa 

monitoringi mniSvnelovnad 

gaumjobesda. ssip „l.sayvareliZis 

saxelobis daavadebaTa kontrolisa 

da sazogadoebrivi janmrTelobis 

erovnuli centris” 

monacemebiT, saqarTveloSi ZuZus 

kibo qalebSi da filtvis kibo mamakacebSi 

yvelaze gavrcelebul 

avTvisebian simsivneebs warmoadgens. 

onkologiuri daavadebebiT 

sikvdilianobis maCvenebeli kvlav 

maRali rCeba. amasTan, dabalia 5- 

wliani gadarCenis maCvenebeli: pacientTa 

30%-ze naklebi cocxlobs 

diagnozis dasmidan 5 wlis 

manZilze an ufro didxans. maRali 

sikvdilianobisa da dabali gadarCenis 

maCveneblebis ZiriTad 

mizezs warmoadgens is faqti, rom 

kibos SemTxvevebis daaxloebiT 

60%-is diagnostireba mesame da 

meoTxe stadiaze xdeba, risi mizezic 

kompleqsuria da ZiriTadad 

mosaxleobis dabali informirebulobis 

doniT da am procesebSi 

jandacvis pirveladi rgolis naklebi 

CarTulobiTaa ganpirobebuli. 

filtvis meoTxe stadiis sim- 

sivnes pianist nino samniaSvilis 

mama meore welia, ebrZvis. nino 

ambobs, rom ojaxma mkurnalobis 

saxsrebi srulad amowura da, mxolod 

da mxolod, keTili adamianebis 

imedad rCebian: 

„mamas intensiurad esaWiroeba: 

imuno da qimio Terapia, ZviradRirebuli 

medikamentebi, onkologis 

garda sxvadasxva specialist- 

Tan konsultacia. onkopacientis 

mkurnaloba CvenTan Zalian Zviria. 

vgegmavdiT mamas sazRvargareT 

mkurnalobas, Tumca gulis problemam 

frenaSi xeli SegviSala. 

wlebis win is gza, rasac axla mama 

gadis, mec gaviare. axla janmrTeli 

var da vcdilob, mamac davayeno 

fexze”. 

simsivneebTan brZolis saxelmwifo 

strategia 2020 wlamdea gawerili. 

mraval sxva punqtTan er- 

Tad jandacvis sistemis mizani sacxovrebel 

da samuSao adgilebze 

qimiuri, fizikuri da biologiuri 

kancerogenebis kontrolicaa. 

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Sesyidvisas sxva pirebs ar eZlevaT 

saSualeba, mimwodeblebi 

gaxdnen. aseve am dros biujetis 

Tanxebis dazogva ver xerxdeba. 

sayuradReboa is faqtic, 

rom gamartivebuli Sesyidvebisas 

metia eWvi korufciul 

qmedebebze. 

gamartivebuli Sesyidvebis 

ZiriTadi mizani Sesyidvis proceduris 

gamartiveba da drois 

dazogvaa. garda amisa, xandaxan 

Semsyidvelebi am xerxs maSin mimarTaven, 

rodesac tenderisTvis 

saWiro dokumentaciis 

momzadebisTvis dro, Sesabamisi 

codna an saSualeba ar gaaCniaT. 

winasaaxalwlo dekoraciebis 

pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT SeZenis 

faqti quTaisis meriaSi gasul 

wels dafiqsirda. 2019 wlis 

aRsaniSnavi RonisZiebebisTvis 

qalaqis biujetidan 229 483 

lari daixarja. aqedan 156 610 

lari pirdapir Sesyidvebze modis. 

maT Soris, 99 485 lari saaxalwlo 

ganaTebebis yidvas dasWirda. 

saaxalwlo ganaTebebis Sesa- 

Zenad qalaqis meriam 97 141 

laris Rirebulebis tenderi 

auqcionis gareSe gasuli wlis 

11 oqtombers gamoacxada. tenderSi 

monawileoba miiRo orma 

SezRuduli pasuxismgeblobis 

sawarmom _ „geraskam” da „dandim”. 

tenderi „dandim” moigo, 

Tumca Sedegi „geraskam” gaasa- 

Civra da mis konkurent kompanias 

teqnikuri dokumentaciis 

gamo diskvalifikacia mieca. 

meriam xelSekruleba Sps „geraskasTan” 

gaaforma, magram 28 

dekembers samuSaoebis Sesabamis 

vadebSi Seusruleblobis 

gamo xelSekruleba Sewyvita. 

2018 wlis 26 dekembers gadaudebeli 

aucileblobis safuZvelze 

quTaisis meriam pirdapiri 

Sesyidvis gziT gasanaTebeli 

mowyobilobebi sabolood 

tenderSi diskvalificirebul 

kompania „dandisgan” SeiZina. 

aRsaniSnavia is faqti, rom ten- 


iTvaliswineben Tu ara quTaisis meriaSi 

saerTaSoriso organizaciebis 

Sorena laRaZe 

rekomendaciebiT da dasavlur 

557 56 23 66 

demokratiul sistemebTan daax- 

loebis mizniT saqarTveloSi 2010 

wels eleqtronuli tenderebis sistema Seiqmna. sistemam imave 

wels qaRaldze dafuZnebuli saxelmwifo Sesyidvebi srulad 

Caanacvla. Zveli sistema korufciis arsebobisa da mikerZoebuli 

gadawyvetilebis miRebis riskebs aCenda. eleqtronuli ten- 

derebis danergva swored am problemebTan brZolis erT-erTi 

efeqtiani gzaa _ igi amartivebs Sesyidvis proceduras, gamWvir- 

vales xdis procesebs, zogavs dros da amcirebs biurokratias. 

axla saxelmwifo Sesyidvebis 

procesze dakvirveba nebismier 

dainteresebul moqalaqes 

SeuZlia. am sistemam aRmofxvra 

diskriminaciac _ tenderSi 

distanciurad monawileoba 

SeuZlia saqarTvelos nebismier 

qalaqSi, aseve sazRvargareT 

arsebul kompaniebsac. amis 

fonze izrdeba konkurencia, 

sabiujeto xarjebi ki izogeba. 

miuxedavad mniSvnelovani 

cvlilebebisa, Sesyidvebis arsebuli 

sistema srulyofas 

saWiroebs, radgan qveyanaSi arsebuli 

arasamTavrobo organizaciebi 

xSirad gascemen rekomendaciebsa 

da SeniSvnebs 

sistemaSi arsebuli ama Tu im 

darRvevis Sesaxeb. 

aRebuli valdebulebebis 

dasafinanseblad quTaisis 2019 

wlis biujetSi wliuri gegma 

880 aTasi laris odenobiT ganisazRvra. 

aqedan, municipaluri 

ganviTarebis fondTan dadebuli 

xelSekrulebis Tanaxmad, 

mimdinare wlis biujetSi 2016- 

2018 wlebSi ganxorcielebuli 

proeqtebisTvis aRebuli valdebulebebis 

dasafarad 790 aTasi 

lari gaiTvaliswines. bolo 

wlebia, quTaisis biujetidan 

yvelaze didi Tanxebi infrastruqturul 

proeqtebs xmardeba. 

am da sxva daniSnulebiT 

qalaqis meria mTeli wlis man- 

Zilze momsaxurebisa da sxvadasxva 

saqonlis Sesyidvas qveyanaSi 

arsebuli msxvili da 

mcire bizneskompaniebisgan axorcielebs. 

Sesyidvebis Sesaxeb kanoniT, 

tenderis gareSe, gamartivebuli 

Sesyidvis forma gamoiyeneba 

mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tuki 

Sesasyidi saqonlis an momsaxurebis 

Rirebuleba 5000 lars 

ar aRemateba. sxva danarCen 

SemTxvevaSi saxelmwifo Sesyidva 

tenderis gziT unda ganxorcieldes. 

miuxedavad amisa, aris 

Sesyidvebi, romlebsac quTaisis 

TviTmmarTveloba ara tenderis, 

aramed erT pirTan molaparakebis 

gziT axorcielebs. 

mimdinare wels quTaisis meriam 

pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT 

sakmaod bevri saqoneli da momsaxureba 

SeiZina. maT Soris 

ramdenime 5 aTas larze meti 

Rirebulebis. 

erT-erTi aseTi Sesyidva gaxlavT 

qalaqis #7 skolis sareabilitacio 

samuSaoebi, romelsac 

kompania „Tegika universali” 

awarmoebs. garda imisa, rom 

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kompania qalaqis meriis mier 

gamocxadebul tenderebSi xSirad 

imarjvebs, imiTac gamoirCeva, 

rom igi Tbilisis bagabaRebis 

saagentos xelmZRvanelis, 

kaxaber gvancelaZis Zmas, 

giorgi gvancelaZes ekuTvnis. 

skolis reabilitaciisTvis 

kompania, mimdinare xelSekrulebis 

Tanaxmad, 88 322 laris 

samuSaos Seasrulebs. Sesyidvis 

safuZveli samuSaoebis Catarebis 

gadaudebeli aucilebloba 

gaxda. 

gadaudebeli aucileblobis 

gamo qalaqis meriam 14 232 lari 

daxarja quTaisis 21-e skolis 

reabilitaciisTvis. xelSekruleba 

Sps „xelmarjve ostatebTan” 

73 154,98 laris odenobiT 

daido. Sesyidva tenderis 

gareSe, pirdapiri gziT 

ganxorcielda. 

5 aTasi lari daixarja qalaqis 

biujetidan meriis stumrebis 

kvebiTi momsaxurebisTvis. 

pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT momsaxureba 

Sps „quTaisi 2021-isgan” 

quTaisis meriam mimdinare 

wlis 19 seqtembers SeiZina. 

adgilobrivma TviTmmarTvelobam 

kompaniasTan xelSekruleba 

2020 wlamde gaaforma. 

TinaTin beriSvili _ qalaq 

quTaisis meriis warmomadgene- 

li: 

„gamartivebuli Sesyidvebi 

daSvebulia im SemTxvevaSi, Tu 

xelSekruleba 5 aTas laramde 

Tanxaze formdeba, aseve gadaudebeli 

aucileblobisa da 

eqskluziuri uflebamosilebis 

SemTxvevaSi. ras niSnavs eqskluziuri 

uflebamosileba? _ 

es aris SemTxveva, rodesac xelSekruleba 

formdeba konkretul 

momReralTan da a. S., 

visac sakuTari nawarmoebi saavtoro 

uflebebis dacvis organizaciaSi 

aqvs daculi an aqvs 

patenti. am SemTxvevaSi tenderis 

gamocxadeba ar SeiZleba. 

gadaudebeli aucileblobis 

gamo gamartivebul Sesyidvas 

maSin vatarebT, rodesac saqme 

exeba stiqiiT dazaralebulebs 

an tenderi vardeba da saqonlis 

an momsaxurebis SeZena saswrafoa. 

Cven, ZiriTadad, 5 aTas 

larze meti Rirebulebis gamartivebul 

SemTxvevebs am bolo 

aucileblobis dros mivmar- 

TavT”. 

beso namCevaZe _ „saerTa- 

Soriso gamWvirvaloba-saqarT- 

velos” warmomadgeneli: 

„gamartivebuli Sesyidva cudi 

praqtikaa, radgan is konkurencias 

ar uSvebs. am faqtorma 

SeiZleba gaaCinos eWvi, xom 

ar gaurigda Semsyidveli mimwodebel 

kompanias? 

Tuki Sesasyidi saqonlis an 

momsaxurebis safasuri 5 aTas 

larze naklebia, Semsyidveli ar 

aris valdebuli, tenderi gamoacxados. 

Tumca es kanoniT akrZalulic 

araa _ survilis 

SemTxvevaSi tenderis gamocxadeba 

100-larian nivTzec Sei- 

Zleba, Tuki Semsyidvels nivTi 

ufro dabal fasad unda, SeiZinos. 

garda amisa, aris garemoebebi, 

rodesac TviTmmarTvelobebi 

ver aswreben tenderis gamocxadebas. 

magaliTad, ar hqoniaT 

dagegmili ama Tu im samuSaos 

Catareba an esa Tu is 

aqtivoba. am SemTxvevaSi gamartivebuli 

Sesyidva dasaSvebia. 

problemac swored esaa _ xSirad 

daCqarebuls eZaxian Sesyidvas, 

romlis gaTvaliswinebac 

SeiZleboda. magaliTad, rodesac 

iciT, rom axali weli pirvel 

ianvarsaa, xolo saaxalwlo 

koncerti axali wlis wina dRes, 

mTeli wlis manZilze SeiZleba 

gamoacxadoT tenderi da SeisyidoT 

sxvadasxva momsaxureba 

SeadarebiT dabal fasad. aseT 

situaciaSi daCqarebuli Sesyidvis 

gamocxadeba savaldebulo 

araa da korufciuli garigebebis 

dadebis did risks 

aCens”. 

Sesyidvebis Sesaxeb kanoniT 

gamartivebuli Sesyidvis ganxorcieleba 

garkveul SemTxvevebSi 

daSvebulia. aseT dros 

Sesyidva pirdapir, tenderis 

gareSe xdeba. es proceduras 

mniSvnelovnad amartivebs da 

aCqarebs, Tumca medals aqac 

ori mxare aqvs _ tenderis gareSe 

saqonlis an momsaxurebis 

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kanons saxelmwifo Sesyidvebis Sesaxeb? 

derSi gamarjvebis dros „dandi” 

saqonels merias 94 804 larad 

aZlevda, pirdapiri Sesyidvis 

gziT SeZenis dros ki adgilobrivma 

TviTmmarTvelobam 

saaxalwlo ganaTebaSi 99 485 

lari gadaixada. es Tanxa Tavdapirvelad 

gamocxadebul satendero 

fasze 2 300 lariT metia. 


Soriso gamWvirvaloba-saqar- 

Tvelos” warmomadgeneli: 

„bolo wlebSi pirdapiri Sesyidvebis 

saSualo maCvenebelma 

iklo, radgan kanonma alternatiuli 

Sesyidvis sxva saSualebebic 

dauSva. magaliTad, 

gasul wels saxelmwifo struqturebSi 

pirdapiri Sesyidvebis 

wili mTliani Sesyidvebis 

20% iyo, magram, samwuxarod, es 

wili adgilobriv TviTmmarTvelobebSi 

cota maRalia. 

garda amisa, gasaTvaliswinebelia 

isic, rom pirdapiri Sesyidvebis 

warmoebas Sesyidvebis 

saagentos nebarTva sWirdeba. 

aman, garkveulwilad, raRac 

filtri Seqmna da korufciis 

saSiSroeba Seamcira, Tumca riski 

mainc arsebobs. 

pirdapiri Sesyidvebis gamocxadebis 

mTavari mizezi kompetenciis 

naklebobaa _ bevr uwyebaSi 

ar arseboben adamianebi, 

romlebsac sworad SeuZliaT 

dagegmon tenderebi, ar aqvT 

Sesabamisi kompetencia an ar 

SeuZliaT dokumentebis sworad 

warmoeba. aris SemTxvevebi, rodesac 

TviTmmarTvelobebs undaT 

esa Tu is momsaxureba an 

saqoneli konkretuli pirisgan 

iyidon, magram amis damtkiceba 

rTulia. Cven, arasamTavrobo 

organizaciebs, romlebic tenderebis 

monitoringze vmuSaobT, 

ar gvaqvs sakmarisi resursi 

msgavsi faqtebis bolomde 

gamosaZieblad da dasamtkiceblad”. 

tenderebis Catarebisas kidev 

erTi riski bazarze axalSemosuli 

an uSualod tenderis 

gamocxadebis win dafuZnebul 

kompaniebTan xelSekrulebis 

dadebaa. pirveli magaliTi qu- 

Taisis merias gasul wels hqonda. 

kompania „alma-rus” saqar- 

Tvelos filialma 2018 wels 

quTaisSi TeTri xidis sareabilitacio 

samuSaoebi Caatara. 

„alma-rus” qarTul bazarze 

2018 wlis 20 Tebervals daregistrirda. 

quTaisis meriam kompaniasTan 

xelSekruleba amave 

wlis 24 maiss dado. reabilitaciis 

procesma uamravi dar- 

RveviT Caiara, Sedegi ki uxarisxo 

aRmoCnda. sabolood, 

adgilobrivma TviTmmarTvelobam 

kompania daajarima, xidis 

SekeTebisTvis samuSaoebis Sesyidva 

ki Tavidan gamoacxada. 

damatebiTi riskfaqtoria 

xelSekrulebis dadeba kompaniasTan, 

romlis angariSzec bevri 

wagebuli tenderia. 

ilia WavWavaZis portretuli 

bareliefisa da sadgaris dazianebuli 

iersaxis restavracia 

quTaisis meriam kompania 

„jorjian teqnogrups” ando. 

kompania, savaraudod, 22 699 

laris samuSaoebs Seasrulebs. 

bareliefis restavracia mimdinare 

wlis 15 noembers unda 

dasruldes. tenderSi „jorjian 

teqnogrupis” konkurenti 

arqiteqtori giorgi kikvaZe gaxldaT, 

romelTanac qalaqis 

merias mravalwliani pozitiuri 

TanamSromloba akavSirebs. 

kikvaZe qalaqSi arsebuli ramdenime 

cnobili monumentis avtoria. 

giorgi kikvaZis satendero 

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`gadaudebeli aucileblobis gamo qalaqis meriam 14 232 lari daxarja 

quTaisis 21-e skolis reabilitaciisTvis. xelSekruleba Sps `xelmarjve 

ostatebTan~ 73 154,98 laris odenobiT daido. Sesyidva tenderis gareSe, 

pirdapiri gziT ganxorcielda. 5 aTasi lari daixarja qalaqis biujetidan 

meriis stumrebis kvebiTi momsaxurebisTvis. pirdapiri Sesyidvis gziT 

momsaxureba Sps `quTaisi 2021-isgan~ quTaisis meriam mimdinare wlis 19 

seqtembers SeiZina. adgilobrivma TviTmmarTvelobam kompaniasTan 

xelSekruleba 2020 wlamde gaaforma~ 

winadadeba quTaisis meriam 

konkurentTan SedarebiT maRali 

fasis gamo daiwuna, Tumca, 

aRsaniSnavia is faqti, rom kompania 

„jorjian teqnogrupsi” 

tenderebSi gamarjvebis siuxviT 

ar gamoirCeva. misi ZiriTadi 

damkveTebi arian quTaisis 

adgilobrivi TviTmmarTveloba 

da imereTis, raWa-leCxumisa da 

qvemo svaneTis policiis departamenti. 

kompaniis „angariSze” 

gacilebiT meti wagebuli tenderia, 

vidre _ mogebuli. SesyidvebSi 

misi damarcxebis mTavari 

faqtori ki konkurentebTan 

SedarebiT samuSaoebis maRali 

safasuria. 

`TaRliTobasa da korufciaSi 

dadanaSaulebul an am danaSaulebTan 

asocirebul pirebs unda aekrZaloT 

saxelmwifo SesyidvebSi monawileoba. aseTi 

kanoni Cven ar gvaqvs, miuxedavad imisa, rom es 

saerTaSoriso standarti evrokavSirisa da 

sxvadasxva evropuli organizaciis moTxovnaa~ 


Soriso 

gamWvirvaloba- 

saqarTvelos” warmomadgeneli: 

„saxelmwifo Sesyidvebi yovelTvis 

aris garkveuli riskebis 

matarebeli. darRvevebis 

aRmoCenis SemTxvevaSi xSirad 

saxelmwifo Sesyidvebis saagentoze 

tydeba joxi. realurad, 

yvela tenderis kontroli Zalian 

rTulia. warmoidgineT, yoveldRiurad 

sistemaSi asobiT 

Sesyidva registrirdeba. am 

dros pasuxismgeblobas Tanabrad 

unda iRebdnen rogorc 

Semsyidveli organizaciebi, 

aseve is kompaniebi, romlebic 

tenderSi monawileoben da am 

yvelafers unda akontrolebdes 

saagento. 

magaliTad, Tu tenderi 

konkretul kompaniazea morgebuli, 

amas SesyidvaSi monawile 

sxva kompaniebi ufro mixvdebian, 

vidre saagento, radgan iq 

SesaZloa iyos Sesasyidi detalebis 

sia, romelTa Sesaxebac 

saxelmwifo Sesyidvebis saagentos 

TanamSromlebs, ubralod, 

informacia ar gaaCniaT. magaliTisTvis: 

cxaddeba tenderi 

avtomobilisa da misi nawilebis 

Sesyidvaze. aq SeiZleba iyos 

dasaxelebuli iseTi nawilebi, 

detalebi, romlis distributori 

an mwarmoebeli tenderSi 

monawile mxolod erTi konkretuli 

kompania SesaZloa iyos. 

ai, es aris morgebuli tenderis 

martivi magaliTi. 

Semsyidvelebis mxridan gamosasworebelia 

tenderebis 

dagegmvis problema, aseve gamosasworebelia 

qvekontraqtorebis 

problema. aris SemTxveva, 

rodesac kompania tenders igebs, 

samuSaoebs ki akeTebs sxva 

_ misi qvekontraqtori kompania. 

aq saWiroa meti gamWvirvalobis 

moTxovna. aucilebelia, 

myidvelma winaswar icodes, vin 

Seasrulebs samuSaoebs _ uSualod 

gamarjvebuli Tu misi 

qvekontraqtori? arsebobs 

riski, rom qvekontraqtorebi 

SesaZloa, politikasTan an sxva 

riskebTan asocirdebodes. 

vfiqrob, rom TaRliTobasa 

da korufciaSi dadanaSaulebul 

an am danaSaulebTan asocirebul 

pirebs unda aekrZaloT 

saxelmwifo SesyidvebSi 

monawileoba. aseTi kanoni Cven 

ar gvaqvs, miuxedavad imisa, rom 

es saerTaSoriso standarti evrokavSirisa 

da sxvadasxva evropuli 

organizaciis moTxovnaa”. 

kidev erT problemad tenderebis 

monitoringis Temaze 

momuSave arasamTavrobo organizaciebi 

tenderebSi sistematurad 

erTi da igive kompaniis 

gamarjvebas asaxeleben. Tumca 

am faqtsac aqvs gamamarTlebeli 

garemoebebi. 

„Tegeta motorsi” quTaisis 

meriis kontraqtori ukve ramdenime 

welia. „Tegetas” qalaqis 

meriis balansze arsebuli avtomobilebis 

SekeTeba, maTi Sesabamisi 

nawilebiT uzrunvelyofa 

evaleba. garda imisa, rom 

igi qveynis erT-erTi yvelaze 

msxvili da cnobadi kompaniaa, 

imiTac gamoirCeva, rom 2019 

wlis Sualeduri arCevnebis meore 

turisTvis misma erT-erTma 

mflobelma, zaur cxadaZem, 

mmarTvel partia „qarTul ocnebas” 

60 aTasi lari Seswira. 


Soriso 

gamWvirvaloba- 

saqarTvelos” warmomadgeneli: 

„did kompaniebs aqvT obieqturi 

upiratesobebi _ meti 

gamocdileba, meti resursi. 

didi kompaniebi iSviaTad an 

saerTod ar gvxvdebian „Sav sia- 

Si”, amitom is faqti, rom xSirad 

erTi da igive samuSaos 

Catarebas damkveTebi erTsa da 

imave kompanias avaleben, gamarTlebulia. 

magram rodesac 

cxaddeba didi Sesyidva, umjobesia, 

momsaxureba myidvelma 

nawil-nawil, sxvadasxva kompaniisgan 

iyidos. es piroba 

saSualebas aZlevs mcire da 

saSualo biznessac, monawileoba 

miiRos da gaimarjvos tenderebSi, 

did bizness gauwios 

konkurencia”. 

Sesyidvebis sistemaSi gansaxorcielebeli 

cvlilebebis SemuSavebisas 

gasaTvaliswinebelia 

is faqti, rom sakvalifikacio 

da teqnikurma moTxovnebma 

realurad unda uzurnvelyos 

tendersa da SesyidvaSi monawileTa 

Sesabamisi gamocdileba. 

fasis xarisxze win dayeneba 

ar SeiZleba. Semsyidveli 

mxare dazRveuli unda iyos 

dabali xarisxis produqciisa 

da momsaxurebisgan, mimwodebeli 

ki Sesyidvebis dros ganxorcielebuli 

maqinaciebisgan _ 

daculi. 

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ratom ar daniSnavs biZina 

ivaniSvili vadamdel arCevnebs? 

me-17 gverdidan 

_ amgvar kvlevebs swored eg 

xom ar ukargavs azrs, rom 

gamokiTxulTa umetesoba SiSis 

gamo pasuxs ar iZleva an gada- 

uwyvetel amomrCevlad asaRebs 

Tavs? adamiani an misi ojaxis 

wevri sajaro seqtorSia dasaqmebuli, 

ar endoba, araa darw- 

munebuli, rom mas „endiais”, 

„airaias” warmomadgeneli eki- 

Txeba da ara _ „susis”. 

_ pasuxis argacema swored 

mag SiSis atmosferoze miu- 

TiTebs. eg SiSebi, samwuxarod, 

arsebobs da xelisuflebas rom 

SevcvliT, bevri ramaa gasakeTebeli 

SiSebis aRmosafxvrelad. 

pirvel rigSi,, marTlmsajulebis 

reformaa gasatarebeli. 

amisTvis sulac araa saWiro 

ucxo qveynidan mosamarTleebis 

Camoyvana. SeiZleba, maRal 

doneze raRac standartis 

Sesaqmnelad CamoviyvanoT ramdeime, 

simbolurad, inglisidan, 

magram reformisTvis mTavaria 

politikuri neba. iq, sadac iyo 

saamiso neba, gatarda kidec reformebi 

vinmes Camoyvanis gare- 

Se, vTqvaT, igive patrulSi. xelisuflebam 

unda Seqmnas saTanado 

infrastruqtura, misces 

anazRaureba, Seqmnas maTi Ser- 

Cevis gamWvirvale platforma 

da Semdeg mxolod korufciis 

TvalsazrisiT akontrolos, 

rom sistemaSi korufcia ar 

Seiparos da damnaSave, banditi, 

mkvleli fulis sanacvlod ar 

gauSvas mosamarTlem. marTlmsajuleba 

rom mowodebis sima- 

Rleze iqneba, TavisTavad gaumjobesdeba 

prokuraturisa da 

policiis muSaobac, „upragonod” 

veRaravis daiWeren, veravis 

verafers Caudeben, mouwevT 

mtkicebulebebis mopoveba, 

yvelafris damtkiceba. marTlmsajulebis 

gajansaReba samoqalaqo, 

administraciul saqmeebzec 

aisaxeba, rac jamSi Seqmnis 

met samarTlianobis gancdas, 

ndobas, daculobas. garda 

amisa, skolebi, sajaro moxeleebi 

erTxel da samudamod unda 

ganTavisufldnen partaqtivis 

movaleobisgan. SevardnaZis 

droidan moyolebuli arsebobs 

es mankieri praqtika. yvela, 

vinc xelisuflebaSi modis, maswavleblebs, 

sajaro moxeleebs 

partaqtivad xmarobs, saarCevno 

procesSi rTavs, aqciebze daatarebs 

da a. S. Tu aqciebi gaqvs 

Casatarebeli, rame Sexvedra 

mosawyobi, maswavleblebi da 

sajaro moxeleebi ki ar unda 

arbenino, sakuTar partaqtivs 

unda daeyrdno. keTili unda 

inebon Senma koordinatorebma 

da skolebidan, baRebidan ki ar 

mogirekon ZaliT xalxi, mogiyvanon 

partiis wevrebi, aqtiv- 

istebi, mxardamWerebi. Cvens 

drosac gauqmebuli iyo partaqtivi 

da axlac partaqtivad 

qceuli arian administraciuli 

resursis xalxi, sajaro moxeleebi, 

skolisa da sabavSvo baRis 

maswavleblebi, gamgeebi. amaT 

kubSi aqvT ayvanili is samwuxaro 

da mankieri praqtika, rac 

SevardnaZis droidan moyveboda 

yvela xelisuflebas. es unda 

moispos da amas maSinve igrZnobs 

da dainaxavs sazogadoeba, 

Sesabamisad, aRarc pasuxis 

gacemis SeeSindeba. mixvdebian, 

rom aRar aris xelisufleba 

buasaviT Casafrebuli, rom yvela 

akontrolos, viskenaa, ratomaa. 

da meore: biznesebs saSualeba 

unda misce, Tu surs, daafinansos 

opozicia. rogorc ki 

amis gasaqans miscem, eg xmac 

egreve gavardeba. X biznesmeni, 

romelmac Y partia daafinansa 

da arc sagadasaxdo Seuvarda 

da arc finansuri, amas aucileblad 

ityvis, es xma gavrceldeba 

da SiSis atmosferos moxsnis. 

_ aq raRac sxva tendenciasTan 

gvaqvs saqme. nacvlad im- 

isa, rom biznesmenebi vinmes 

afinansebdnen, Tavad Semodian 

politikaSi, rogorc qarTul 

andazaSia, uremma rom SeSa ar 

moitanos, TviTon SeSa ar ari- 

so? dadgnen da TviTon Semocvivdnen 

politikaSi. ras mogvitans 

oligarqebis Semovard- 

na politikur scenaze? erTis 

Semovardnam ra mogvitana da 

axla kidev wvril-wvrili oli- 

garqebi rom Semoxtebian 

kaliebiviT, ras mogvitans? 

_ jer verc erTi mimarTulebiT 

ver viqnebiT darwmunebuli. 

Tu es kaci, vTqvaT, xazaraZe, 

raRac momentSi (sasurvelia, 

arCevnebamde) sazogadoebas 

dagvarwmunebs, rom ivaniSvilis 

TamaSs ar iTamaSebs, parlamentSi 

Semosvlis dros, Semdeg 

an winasaarCevno procesSi, 

maSin gaumarjos masac da yvela 

opoziciur Zalas. misi partia 

„lelo” „qocur” xmebs daajdeba, 

biZinas amomrCevels 

waiyvans. misi xmebis 80-90% yofili 

„qocebi” iqnebian da danarCeni 

kidev SeiZleba „patriotebi”, 

Zalian cotas Tu waiyvans 

eg danarCeni prodasavluri 

opoziciidan, miT umetes, 

„nacionaluri moZraobidan”. 

Cven xmebs ver wagvarTmevs, 

romc gvarTmevdes, veranair 

tragedias ver vxedav, Tu zustad 

gvecodineba, rom bolomde 

opoziciuri partiaa da 

prodasavluri, radgan Tu koalicia 

gaxda saWiro, gvecodineba, 

rom Cveni koaliciuri 

partniori iqneba arCevnebis 

mere, magram Tu ar ici, ra 

TamaSs TamaSobs an kidev uaresi, 

Tu zustad ici, rom ramden 

kacsac gaiyvans, isev biZinas 

jibeSi aRmoCndeba, maSin cxadia, 

problemaa. problema is 

aris, rom Tavidan gaiyofa es 

„qocuri” xmebi da mere isev 

SeerTdeba. 

_ anu SeiZleba es iyos Tama- 

Si „qocur” eleqtoratze: 

visac ukve aRar moswons biZi- 

na, imaT xmebs daiWers xazaraZe 

da ukan daubrunebs parlamen- 

tSi Sesvlis mere? 

_ ukan daubrunebs isev bi- 

Zinas, magram imedi maqvs, rom 

amomrCeveli tons gaZlevs, 

gkarnaxobs partias da rodesac 

xazaraZis partia xmebs miiRebs, 

àmxela aurzauri, xelovnuri krizisi gamoiwvios imis gamo, rom 6 TviT 

adre daniSnos arCevnebi/? miT umetes, gazafxuli saerTod cudi droa 

arCevnebisTvis. win zamTaria, rogori komunaluri gadasaxadebi mouva am 

zamTars xalxs, fuli aRar eqnebaT, gamwarebuli da aRrenili xalxi mis 

sasargeblod gaakeTebs arCevans? ar uRirs~ 

5% iqneba, 7% Tu 12%, ramdensac 

is aiRebs, mas ukarnaxebs, 

rom biZosTan Sekvra aris 

wiTeli xazi da aqedan gamomdinare, 

xazaraZe iZulebuli iqneba, 

ar Seekras, radgan maSin egreve 

ganuldeba politikurad. 

Seni amomrCeveli rasac geubneba, 

Tu imas ar akeTeb da mis 

sawinaaRmdego nabijebs dgam, im 

amomrCevels kargav. 

_ ki magram, parlamentSi 

iqnebian ukve moxvedrili da 

raRas kargaven? egre 2016 

wels Tqveni partiis saxeliT 

Sevida xalxi da maSinve sxvagan 

gaxta _ sxva partiaSi. su- 

lac „naskze” daikides is amom- 

rCeveli, romelmac airCia. 

_ ki, magram politikuri cxovreba 

erTi arCevnebiT xom ar 

mTavrdeba. 

_ gasagebia, samomavlod 

dazaraldebian. 

_ samomavlod ki ara, maleve 

dazaraldebian. Tu sami ministris 

mTavrobaSi gasayvanad bi- 

Zinas Seekrebi da am SekvriT 

mTel eleqtorats, mTel xmebs 

dakargav, politikur velze ukve 

nuli xar. rogorc ki ase ganuldebi, 

is biZina 6-7 TveSi ise mogisvris, 

patronic ver gipovis. 

_ dro am xelisuflebis 

winaaRmdeg muSaobs... 

_ diax, rac dro gadis, miT 

naklebad muSaobs es „9 weli”, 

„cocxebi” da „sajiSe biWebs 

gviupatiurebdnen”. xalxs 

metad sZuldeba es reJimi Tavisi 

borotebis gamo, qveynis 

daqcevis gamo, ruseTTan afelirebis 

gamo, qveynis gaRatakebis, 

nepotizmisa da korufciis 

gamo. bevri faqtoria, rac maT 

winaaRmdeg muSaobs, rac yovelTviurad, 

yovelkvireulad 

auaresebs maT situacias. darwmunebuli 

var, bevri, vinc dResac 

„qocobs”, 2020-is arCevnebze 

xmas aRar miscems biZinas, nawili 

Cvenken wamova, nawili sxva 

opoziciebSi gadanawildeba. 

_ dro rom maT winaaRmdeg 

muSaobs, eg marto Cven ar viciT, 

biZinamac icis da gamor- 

icxavT, rom man aWras karti, 

xelovnurad gaamwvavos situacia, 

Seqmnas krizisi da vadam- 

deli saparlamento arCevnebi 

daniSnos? 

_ magas gamovricxav. bolomde 

verafers gamoricxav, magram 

Zalian eWvi mepareba, rom eg 

qnas, amxela aurzauri, xelovnuri 

krizisi gamoiwvios imis 

gamo, rom 6 TviT adre daniSnos. 

miT umetes, gazafxuli 

saerTod cudi droa arCevnebisTvis. 

win zamTaria, rogori 

komunaluri gadasaxadebi mouva 

am zamTars xalxs, fuli aRar 

eqnebaT, gamwarebuli da aRrenili 

xalxi mis sasargeblod 

gaakeTebs arCevans? ar uRirs. 

_ samagierod, opozicia am 

arCevnebisTvis moumzadebeli 

iqneba. 

_ ki, umagisoba namdvilad ar 

iqneba, magram mag nabijiT, mTel 

qveyanas daanaxvebs, rom magrad 

uWirs da SemodgomiT wagebis 

eSinia. opoziciurad ganwyobili 

xalxi rom amas igrZnobs da 

dainaxavs, xvdebiT, es ramxela 

motivacias miscems maT? mixvdebian, 

rom mogebis Sansi gaCnda 

da ra moxdeba? opoziciis problema 

ra aris? _ nihilizmi. „azri 

ar aqvs, mainc ver movigebT, imas 

bevri fuli aqvs, xelisufleba 

aqvs, administraciuli resursi 

aqvs da mainc dagvamarcxebs”. ase 

fiqroben da ar modian saarCevno 

ubnamde. vadamdelis daniSvna 

ki mogebis imeds gauCens opoziciur 

eleqtorats, rac namdvilad 

ar daasxams wyals bi- 

Zinas wisqvilze. 

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2020 wlis saparlamento arCe- 

vnebisTvis samzadisi ukve daiwyo. sazogadoeba tradiciad 

qceul dapirebebs misTvis kargad nacnobi politikuri fig- 

urebisgan Zveleburad ismens. amis paralelurad, politikur 

sivrceSi bankiri mamuka xazaraZe Cndeba, romelic gvimtkicebs, 

rom iq iqneba, sadac gaWirvebuli adamiania. bevrs, albaT 2012 

wlis biZina ivaniSvili axsendeba. 

rogoria arsebuli politikuri 

realoba? ras daupiri- 

spirebs „leiboristuli partia” 

konkurentebis finansur resurss? 

ra saxiT CaerTvebian ax- 

algazrdebi winasaarCevno samza- 

disSi? 

am da sxva mniSvnelovan Temebze 

„qronika+” rubrika „axalgazrda 

politikosebSi” „leiboristuli 

partiis” axalgazr- 

duli organizaciis Tavmjdomare 

mixeil qumsiSvils esaubra: 

_ Tveebis ganmavlobaSi, sisx- 

liani „gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg, 

axalgazrdebi imJamindel Ss ministr 

giorgi gaxarias gadadgo- 

mas iTxovdiT, Tumca gadadgomis 

nacvlad igi premier-ministri 

gaxda. ramdenad logikuri svla 

iyo mmarTveli gundis es nabiji? 

_ gaxarias gapremiereba, erTi 

mxriv, moulodneli iyo, radgan 

xalxi amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi 

idga quCaSi da gaxarias Ss ministris 

Tanamdebobidan wasvlas iTxovda. 

realurad, man marTla datova 

es Tanamdeboba, oRond, dawinaurda 

da premier-ministri gaxda. 

meore mxriv, es mosalodneli 

iyo im gagebiT, rom ivaniSvils 

Zalian uWirs Zalauflebis Senar- 

Cuneba. 2020 wlis arCevnebisTvis 

ki iseTi kadrebi sWirdeba, romelic 

orientirebuli iqneba arCevnebis 

mogebaze, policiuri reJimis 

ufro metad gaZlierebaze da 

sxvadasxva manipulaciiT, arcTu 

maincdamainc sufTa gzebiT, saar- 

Cevno xmebis mopovebaze. gaxaria, 

am SemTxvevaSi, saukeTeso varianti 

iyo, biZina ivaniSvilma ukan ar 

gadadga nabiji, imis miuxedavadac 

ki, rom aseTi zewola iyo aqciebis 

ganmavlobaSi. saboloo jamSi, 

es aqciebi100 dRe gagrZelda. miuxedavad 

amisa, ivaniSvilma mainc 

gadadga es nabiji da gaxaria premier-ministri 

gaxda. davelodoT 

movlenebis ganviTarebas. aucileblad 

gasaTvaliswinebelia ruse- 

Tis faqtoric, miT umetes, Cveni 

sagareo saqmeTa ministri sergei 

lavrovs Sexvda. darwmunebuli 

var, saubris erT-erTi Tema 

swored 2020 wlis arCevnebi iyo. 

vxedavT, rom biZina ivaniSvilma 

regionebSi daiwyo siaruli, is 

guriaSi iyo Casuli, sadac Tavisi 

partiis aqtivs Sexvda. mTeli xelisufleba 

2020 wlis arCevnebis 

mosamzadebel periodzea gadasuli. 

zustad am sqemis erT-erTi 

nawilia gaxarias gapremierebac, 

romlis mTavari funqciac unda 

iyos arCevnebSi maRali Sedegis 

dadeba, rac, miuxedavad yvelanairi 

faqtorisa da didi Zalisxmevisa, 

„qarTul ocnebas” Zalian 

gauWirdeba. 

_ 2020 wlis saparlamento 

arCevnebi axseneT, politikur 

sivrceSi axali politikuri moT- 

amaSe gamoCnda mamuka xazaraZis 

saxiT, rogor SeafasebT mis 

Sansebs? 

_ xazaraZe ise saubrobs, rogorc 

2012 wels biZina ivaniSvili 

saubrobda, is ambobs, rom miva iq, 

sadac gaWirvebuli iqneba. is 

Tavis dapirebebSi aqcents akeTebs 

socialurad gaWirvebuli fenis 

motyuebaze. CemTvis piradad 

aranairi gansxvaveba ar aris biZina 

ivaniSvilsa da mamuka xazaraZes 

Soris. orive maTgani oligarqiul 

wres warmoadgens, romelTa 

politikaSi Semosvlis mTavari 

mizani aris is, rom maTi biznesi 

ufro gaZlierdes da xelSeuxebeli 

iyos, anu maT sWirdebaT garantiebi, 

rom maT bizness problemebi 

ar Seeqmneba. gaixseneT, rodis 

Semovida xazaraZe politikaSi, 

maSin, rodesac anakliis porti 

ver gaiyves man da biZina ivaniSvilma. 

maT am saxis dapirispirebebi 

rom ar hqonodaT, xazaraZes 

namdvilad ar axsovda gaubedurebuli 

xalxi. am xalxis gaubedurebaSi, 

sxvaTa Soris, xazaraZesac 

„miuZRvis wvlili”. asobiT aTasi 

moqalaqe saxlis gareSe darCa da 

gareT uwevs cxovreba. gasagebia, 

rom bankSi roca davalianeba 

gaqvs, amas Sesabamisi sanqciebic 

moyveba, magram ar unda dagvaviwydes, 

rom amave banks kabaluri 

procentebi aqvs. magaliTad, guSin 

Cemi megobari „Tibisi bank- 

Si”samomxmareblo sesxs iRebda, 

ramdenime valis gaerTianeba uwevda 

da am sesxze saprocento 

ganakveTi 29% iyo. xazaraZe winasaarCevno 

kampanias iwyebs, axla 

mainc dauwios saprocento ganakveTi. 

iluzia mainc Seqmnas, rom 

evropuli tipis bankiria. mogexsenebaT, 

evopaSi, bankSi 7%-ze ma- 

Rali procenti ar aris. qveynis 

gadamrCenelis funqciis TvalsazrisiT, 

mamuka xazaraZes, ra 

Tqma unda, skeptikurad vuyureb. 

is garkveul procents, bunebrivia, 

imitom aiRebs, rom mas zurgs 

umagrebs Zalian didi finansuri 

nakadi. Cveni konkurenti yovel- 

Tvis finansebia, magram xazaraZis 

meSveobiT xelisuflebis cvlaze 

saubari zedmetia. biZina ivaniSvilisa 

da xazaraZis SemTxvevaSi 

gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom 2012 

wlamde ivaniSvils qvelmoqmedis, 

eklesiebis, Tavisi soflisa da 

qalaqis aRmSeneblis saxeli hqonda, 

mamuka xazaraZes aseTi begraundi 

ar aqvs. miT umetes, Cven vnaxeT, 

prestiJuli saxelis mqone 

biZina ivaniSvilma rogor daamTavra 

da rTuli gamosacnobi ar iqneba, 

samomavlo perspeqtivaSi 

rogor gaagrZelebs mamuka xazaraZe. 

_ aRniSneT, rom Tqveni kon- 

kurenti yovelTvis didi fulia, 

mas Semdeg, rac xazaraZe gamoCnda 

politikaSi, socialur qsel- 

Si aRniSnavdnen, rom 2020 wlis 

arCevnebi warimarTeba: didi fu- 

li VS didi fuli. am mocemulo- 

baSi sad arian sxva partiebi da 

finansur resurss, rac xSir Sem- 

TxvevaSi gadamawyvet rols Tama- 

Sobs arCevnebis mogebaSi, ras upirispirebs 

„leiboristuli par- 

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mixeil qumsiSvili: 

àranairi gansxvaveba 

ar aris biZina 

ivaniSvilsa da mamuka 

xazaraZes Soris~ 

_ rac Seexeba kiTxvis pirvel 

nawils, fuli fulis winaaRmdeg 

da imis mcdeloba, rom orpolusiani 

sistema gamovides, oRond 

amjerad polusi iyos xazaraZis 

sasargeblod, am yvelafers ganapirobebs 

da mosaxleobamde miaqvs 

socialur qselebsa da medias. masmedia 

fulze muSaobs, „tv pirveli” 

aris xazaraZis televizia. socialur 

qselebSi araerTi dabustuli 

(dareklamebuli) feiji da 

posti gvxvdeba. anu isev da isev 

fuli qmnis reklamas da Semdeg 

reklama qmnis gancdas, rom TiTqos 

orpolusianobaa. realurad, es 

ar aris orpolusianoba. xazaraZes 

aranairi winapiroba ar gaaCnia, 

arc istoria, arc codna da gamocdileba 

ar aqvs politikaSi. miT 

umetes, xazaraZes ar aqvs survili 

da idea, qveyana gaZlierdes, mas 

Tavisi biznesis gaZlierebis motivacia 

amoZravebs. Cven ras davupirispirebT 

did fuls, es iqneba 

Cveni Zalebis maqsimumi, radgan 

sxva gza am SemTxvevaSi ar gvrCeba. 

Cveni politikuri partia ar 

gamovirCeviT didi simdidriT, samagierod, 

ideologia gvaqvs. SevecdebiT, 

Cveni xma maqsimalurad 

bevr adamians mivawvdinoT: gavalT 

quCebSi, saxlebSi, vivliT 

soflebSi, SevxvdebiT adamianebs 

da zustad amas viwyebT gazafxulidan. 

yvelas saTiTaod gavesaubrebiT, 

gavcemT Cvens bro- 

Surebs da SevecdebiT, davarwmunoT 

amomrCevlebi, rom 2020 wels 

„leiboristuli partiis” Semoxazva 

yvelaze optimaluri variantia, 

rac SeiZleba gaakeTon saarCevo 

yuTebTan, vinaidan yvela danar- 

Ceni mosaxleobam ukve gamoscada, 

vin ras warmoadgens. Sesabamisad, 

Cveni ideiT, memarcxene xedvebiT, 

im mosazrebiT, rom upirveles 

yovlisa qveyanaSi unda iyos socialuri 

samarTlianoba, ar unda 

iRupebodnen adamianebi SimSiliT, 

siciviT, ar unda gvrCebodes axalgazrdoba 

ganaTlebis gareSe, 

jandacva unda iyos yvelasTvis 

xelmisawvdomi da Semdeg ukve, 

bunebrivia, mdidars ar unda SevuSaloT 

xeli gamdidrebaSi _ am 

ideebiT mivalT amomrCevlebTan 

da SevecdebiT, is adamianebi, romlebsac 

jer ar aqvT gadawyvetili, 

vis unda miscen xma, davarwmunoT 

Cvens sisworeSi. 

_ 2012 wels mosaxleobis sakmaod 

did nawils hqonda damok- 

idebuleba, rom ivaniSvils bevri 

fuli aqvs da Cvenc gviSveliso. 

rogor fiqrobT, iswavla Tu ara 

sazogadoebam Wkua da satyuara, 

rasac didi fuli hqvia, iqneba Tu 

ara efeqtiani 2020 wlis saparla- 

mento arCevnebze? 

_ amas Cven vixilavT arCevnebze, 

winaswar prognozis gakeTeba, 

ra Tqma unda, rTulia. Zalian 

didi imedi maqvs, rom mosaxleobam 

saTanado daskvnebi gamoitana. 

pirvel rigSi imitom maqvs es imedi, 

rom ar mgonia, qarTveli adamiani 

iseTi miamiti iyos, rom 5- 

jer motyuebis Semdeg meeqvsedac 

SeZlo misi gacureba. gasaTvaliswinebelia 

is faqtoric, rom 

2012 wels absoluturad gansxvavebuli 

ganwyobebi iyo, miT 

umetes, emociuri foni Zalian 

maRali gaxldaT, _ rodesac cixis 

kadrebi gamoqveynda, aman gadamwyveti 

faqtori iqonia da mxolod 

fulis gamo ar gaukeTebiaT 

adamianebs arCevani. 2012 wels, 

ufro metad, „nacionaluri moZraobis” 

winaaRmdeg gaakeTes arCevani. 

dRes, bunebrivia, biZina 

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg gaakeTebs 

qarTveli amomrCeveli arCevans, 

magram gansxvaveba is aris, Tu vis 

sasargeblodac unda gaakeTos 

arCevani _ mocemuloba bevrad 

ufro didi da farToa. is, rom 

polusi maincdamainc erT konkretul 

partiasTan aris asocirebuli, 

es mcdaria da, amavdroulad, 

nulovani barieris arseboba damatebiT 

stimuls uqmnis amomrCevels 

imisTvis, rom SedarebiT 

mcire zomis partiebs dauWiros 

mxari da maTi xma, faqtobrivad, 

aRar ikargeba. Tuki 5%-iani barieris 

SemTxvevaSi riskebi iyo, rom 

amomrCevlis xma SeiZleboda 

dakarguliyo da azric ar hqonda 

xmis micemas, dRes es riskebi, 

faqtobrivad, nulamdea dayvanili. 

Sesabamisad, esec iqneba imis 

faqtori, rom mravalpartiul 

parlaments vixilavT. miviRebT 

koaliciur mTavrobas, romlis 

formirebaSic sxvadasxva partia 

miiRebs monawileobas. Cveni mTa- 

`gaixseneT, rodis Semovida xazaraZe 

politikaSi, maSin, rodesac anakliis porti 

ver gaiyves man da biZina ivaniSvilma. maT am 

saxis dapirispirebebi rom ar hqonodaT, 

xazaraZes namdvilad ar axsovda 

gaubedurebuli xalxi~ 

vari amocana unda iyos, rom 

mTavrobis formirebaSi monawileoba 

miiRon prodasavlurma, Tanamedrove 

partiebma da es Zalaufleba 

ar SerCes biZina ivaniSvils 

Tavisi sateliti partiebis meSveobiT. 

bunebrivia, iluzia ar gvaqvs, 

rom „ocneba” 50%-ze mets 

aiRebs, magram saSiSroeba aris, 

rom „ocnebam”, „patriotTa aliansma”, 

maJoritarma deputatebma, 

romlebic partias daaregistrireben, 

amasTanave gamoCndeba vasaZe, 

gaiRviZebs ramdenime Tvis win 

Seqmnili partia „daicavi saqarTvelo”, 

amaTi meSveobiT Seecdeba 

biZina ivaniSvili koaliciis Seqmnas. 

Cveni amocana swored es unda 

iyos, rom prodasavlurma partiebma 

SevZloT ufro meti xmis aReba, 

vidre isini aiReben jamSi. NDIis 

kvlevebSi swored erT-erTi 

mTavari kiTxva iyo, _ rogor fiqrobT, 

viTardeba Tu ara qveyana 

swori mimarTulebiT? da bolo 

kvlevaSi rekorduli maCvenebeli 

aiRo am pasuma: 50% ambobs, rom 

ar viTardeba qveyana swori mimarTulebiT. 

am kiTxviT SegviZlia 

SevamowmoT, ramdenad dadebiTad 

an uaryofiTad aris ganwyobili 

mosaxleoba xelisuflebis mimarT, 

vinaidan xelisufleba ganapirobebs 

qveynis ganviTarebis 

kurss. am dozis negativi „qarTuli 

ocnebis” xelisuflebis mimarT, 

2012 wlidan dRemde, jer ar 

yofila. Sesabamisad, es yvelaferi 

2020 wlis saparlamento arCevneb- 

Si aisaxeba. 

_ ramdenad aqtiurad da ra 

kuTxiT iqnebian CarTuli axalgazrdebi 

2020 wlis saparlamen- 

to arCevnebSi? 

_ axalgazrdebis CarTuloba 

umniSvnelovanesi iqneba, vinaidan 

axalgazrdebi warmoadgenen Zalas 

da ideas. ideebi, romliTac Zveli 

politikosebi moZraoben, ukve 

moZvelebulia. erTi gamodis da 

pensionerebs 50 lariT pensiis 

gazrdas hpirebda, meore _ 100 

lariT, xolo mesame _ 500 laramde 

gazrdas hpirdeba. mimdinareobs 

manipulacia da amomrCevlis 

moZvelebuli xerxebiT motyueba. 

axalgazrdebs ki axalgazrduli 

xedvebi aqvT, globalurad azrovneben. 

realurad, axalgazrdoba 

aris Zala da es Cven 20 ivniss davinaxeT, 

13 ivnisis stiqiis dros 

vnaxeT, rogori jansaRi axalgazrdoba 

gvyavs saqarTveloSi. 

2012 welic axalgazrdobis damsaxureba 

iyo, avad Tu kargad, ma- 

Sinac farTomasStabiani studenturi 

aqciebi iyo, axalgazrdebis 

Zala manamdec araerTxel gvinaxavs. 

zustad axla me, rogorc 

„leiboristuli partiis” axalgazrduli 

organizaciis Tavmjdomare, 

vmuSaob imaze, rom rac 

SeiZleba meti axalgazrda movizidoT 

partiaSi, CavrToT axalgazrdul 

organizaciaSi, mivceT 

maT ganviTarebis, TviTrealizebis 

saSualeba. isini aseve saarCevno 

siaSic iqnebian warmodgenili da 

SesaZlebloba da Sansi eqnebaT, 

rom sakanonmdeblo organoSi moxvdnen. 

axalgazrdebi did aqcents 

vakeTebT ara molod moklevadian, 

aramed grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi. 

Cven ar vumiznebT mxolod 

2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebs, 

Cven win viyurebiT da TviTmmarTvelobis 

arCevnebSi darwmunebuli 

var, rom Cveni kvotiT 

araerTi axalgazrda Seva adgilobriv 

sakrebuloebsa da meriebSi. 

Cven yvelafers vakeTebT, rom axalgazrdebs 

mivceT codna, ganvi- 

Tarebis saSualeba, rom samomavlod 

Tavad gvanaxon TavianTi 

SesaZlebloba. Cvenma Taobam unda 

vanaxoT wina Taobebs gza, am gzaze 

viaroT da qveyana ukeTes mdgomareobamde 

miviyvanoT. 

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saqarTvelos pirveli 

isze meti iyo da mogebasac mxolod 

imas unda vumadlodeT, rom 

Cvenma Serkinebam samxreTamerikelebi 

pirwmindad gadaTela. 

xuTSabaTs fijis veTamaSebiT 

da naklebad savaraudoa, urugvaisTan 

marcxis Semdeg CvenTan rame 

daTmon. mTavaria, milton heigmac 

da Cvenma moragbeebmac urugvauli 

gakveTili sworad gamoiyenon. 

seviliam Tbiliss lublianaSi ajoba 

oqros farxmali 

lublianaSi Sekrebilma uefas aRmasrulebelma 

komitetma gadawyvita, rom 2021 wels Cempion- 

Ta ligis finals sankt-peterburgma umaspinZlos. 

rusTa CrdiloeTis dedaqalaqs da mis mTavar 

stadions, 65-aTasian „krestovskis”, erTaderT 

konkurentad miunxenis „alianc arena” hyavda. germanelebs 

guli ar daswyvites da 2022 wlis fina- 

lis maspinZloba daubeves, 2023 wels ki evropis 

umTavresi turniris gadamwyvet matCs londonis 

90-aTasiani „uembli” umaspinZlebs. 

ise, „alianc arena” da „uembli” finalis maspin- 

Zlobis uflebas 10-10 wliani intervalis Semdeg 

miiReben. maT ligis finalebs, Sesabamisad, 2012 

da 2013 wels umaspinZles. rac SeexebaT ruseTs, 

aq 11 wlis win moskovur „luJnikze” „manCester- 

is” da „Celsis” dramatuli finali Sedga. 

axla mezoblebis uTanamedrovesi arena swored 

peterburgis „krestovskia”, romelzec 2020 wlis 

evropirvelobis jgufuri etapis oTxi da erTic 

meoTxedfinaluri matCi gaimarTeba. 

SegaxsenebT, rom 2020 wels ligis finalis stambolSi 

gamarTva karga xnis gadawyvetili amba- 

via. sxvaTa Soris, uefas aRmaskomma amave sxdomaze 

evropis ligis 2021 wlis finalis maspinZloba 

Tbilisis „dinamo arenas” nacvlad seviliur „sanC- 

es pisxuans” uboZa. 

esec pirveli gamarjveba! saqar- 

Tvelos saragbo nakrebma msoflios 

Tasis jgufur etapze urugvai 

daibriyva. 

„borjRalosnebma” metoqes 5 

lelo daudes da erTi amdenic 

SeeZloT, magram 33:12-c soliduria. 

erTi eg gvafiqrebs, rom Cveni 

gundis TamaSSi Secdomebi sakmargaisad 

tokios zafxulis olimpiadaze imedad sportis kidev erTi 

saxeoba _ farikaoba gveqneba. amis Tqmis uflebas CveneburTa bolodroindeli 

warmatebebi gvaZlevs. 

bulgarul plovdivSi gamarTul msoflio Tasis etapze sandro bazaZem 

oqro aravis daaneba. qarTvel mofarikaves jamSi 6 brZolis gamarTva 

dasWirda. 

gacilebiT rTuli gza gaiara lika jijiSvilma. man jgufur etapze 

da flei-ofSi jamurad 11 metoqesTan ibrZola da yvela daamarcxa. 

qarTveli mofarikaveebi plovdividan ori oqroTi da olimpiuri imediT 

dabrundnen. 

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mekare, pasi, nakrebi... 

germanul fexburTSi wlis umTavresi 

skandali mwifdeba. erovnuli gundis damrigebel 

ioahim liovs estoneTTan evroSesarCev 

da argentinasTan amxanagur matCeb- 

Si ZiriTad mekared mark-andre ter Stegeni 

unda. 

„barselonas” kiperis gagonebaze „baiernis” 

prezidentma, uli hionesma, qoSi uku- 

Rma yara _ Tu manuel noiers ZiriTadis 

statuss waarTmevT, nakrebSi arc sxva bavarielebs 

gamovuSvebTo. arada, noiers 

garda liovis sanakrebo siaSi kidev oTxi 

bavarielia. 

liovis wisqvilze Tavad ter Stegenma 

daasxa wyali: „xetafesTan” 2:0 mogebuli 

matCis erT-erT epizodSi sajarimo datova, 

metoqes burTTan miaswro da suaress 

sagole gadacema gaukeTa. 

sxvaTa Soris, XXI saukuneSi es „barselonas” 

mekareebis mier Sesrulebuli pirveli 

sagole gadacemaa. 

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talaxaZe talaxaZis winaaRmdeg 

arian sportsmenebi, romelTa 

miRwevebsac dro verasodes gaauferulebs. 

aseTebi TiTze CamosaTvlelni 

arian da maT ricxvSi 

Zalosani laSa talaxaZea. wesiT da 

rigiT, sxva mis adgilze azarts 

dakargavda _ konkurenciis gareSe 

asparezoba Znelia. 

laSa talaxaZem ipova Rirseuli 

konkurenti _ laSa talaxaZe da imasRa 

ejibreba. ager, zedized meoTxed 

gamsoflioCempionebulma qarTvelma 

sakuTari sami msoflio rekordi 

daamyara da orWidis jamSi naCvenebi 

484 kilogramiT yvela drois yvelaze 

Zlier Zalosnad iqca. 

ruseTi CempionTa 

ligaSic ruseTia 

Seudarebeli bianka 

19 wlis kanadelma bianka andreeskum 

amerikis Ria pirveloba 

moigo da turniris yvelaze axalgazrda 

gamarjvebuli gaxda maria 

Sarapovas Semdeg. 2006 wels Sarapovamac 

am asakSi gaimarjva am 

turnirze. 

finalSi ruminuli warmoSobis 

kanadelma gogonam mrisxane serena 

uiliamss sZlia, zemotivirebul 

serenas, romelic gamalebiT cdilobs 

karieraSi 24-e slemtitulis 

mogebas, magram araferi gamosdis. 

artur eSis saxelobis kortze 

(romelic msoflioSi yvelaze tevadi 

saCogburTo arenaa _ 22,5 

aTasi) mayurebeli fexze wamoudga 

biankas. 

bevri aRniSnavs biankas mebrZol 

xasiaTs. axlo warsulSi cnobili 

CogburTeli patrik makinroi (jon 

makinroiSi ar agerioT) jer kidev 

finalamde ambobda: „andreesku er- 

TaderTi CogburTelia msoflio- 

Si, visac serenas damarcxeba Seu- 

Zlia, maSin, roca is kargad Tama- 

Sobs. roca serenas problemebi 

aqvs, misi damarcxeba haleps, svitolinas 

da kerbersac SeuZliaT. 

magram Tu serena formaSia, mxolod 

andreeskus ZaluZs masTan 

gamklaveba”. 

serenas mwvrTneli, frangamerikeli 

patrik muratoRlu ambobs: 

„ar mikvirs, rom gaimarjva. 

biankas yvelaferi aqvs, rac did 

CogburTels sWirdeba: uamrav 

tqnikur ileTs flobs uzadod da 

rac mTavaria, uZlieresia fizikur, 

aTletur da fsiqologiur 

aspeqtSi. Zalian Tavdajerebulia 

kortze. amitom male is msoflios 

pirveli Cogani gaxdeba da es Cveulebrivi 

ambavi iqneba”. 

marTlac, bianka serenas „wyevla” 

gaxda. amerikis Ria pirvelobamde 

eseni agvistoSi, torontos 

Premier 5-is prestiJuli turniris 

finalSi Sexvdnen erTmaneTs. pirvelive 

setSi, kanadelis sasargeblod 

3:1-ze, serena welis tkivilis 

mizeziT moexsna turniridan. 

mere serenam Tbili sityvebic 

gaimeta biankasTvis: „oficialurad 

vacxadeb: bianka andreeskus 

qomagi var. is mxolod 19 wlisaa, 

magram kortze gacilebiT ufrosi 

Cans. es mis TamaSsa da CogburT- 

Tan damokidebulebas exeba”, _ Tqva 

serenam. 

Tavad andreesku ase ixsenebs 

finals: „erT epizodSi sakuTar 

TavSi eWvi Semepara. ramdenjer minaxavs, 

rogor Semoutrialebia 

serenas matCi 0:5, 1:5, 2;5-dan. Tanac 

tribunebic mis mxareze iyo. magram 

mere moxda sigiJe da gavimarjve. 

serenam isev ipova biankasTvis 

Tbili sityvebi: „andreeskum 

SesaniSnavi matCi Caatara. vamayob, 

rom aseT metoqesTan vTamaSobdi. 

is ganumeorebelia”. 

mokled, qalTa CogburTSi axali 

kaSkaSa varskvlavi amobrwyinda. 

rumineli emigrantebis qaliSvili 

ontarios provinciaSi daibada, 

mere erTi xani, mSoblebTan 

erTad, rumineTSi cxovrobda. Svidi 

wlisa ki kanadaSi dabrunda da 

CogburTis TamaSic daiwyo. mis 

mwvrTnelTa Soris erT-erTi uimbldonis 

finalisti, natali tozia 

gaxldaT. 

bianka mesame weliwadia, didebis 

TanrigSi gadavida, wleuls ki 

saswauli moaxdina da didi slemis 

turniri moigo. Tumca saswauli 

iyo es Tu kanonzomiereba, uaxloesi 

momavali gviCvenebs. 

andreesku kanadis pirveli warmomadgenelia, 

vinc didi slemis 

turniris mogeba SeZlo erTeul- 

Ta TanrigSi. manamde finalamde miloS 

raoniCma da eJeni buSarma miaRwies. 

„12 Tu 13 wlidan gonebaSi vxatavdi, 

Tu rogor movigebdi didi 

slemis turnirs da es Zalian damexmara 

warmatebaSi. mjera, rom 

sakuTar realobas gonebidan vqmniT. 

Zalian msiamovnebs aseTi mxardaWera 

adamianebisgan. did siyvaruls 

vgrZnobdi ara mxolod 

gasul kviras, aramed mTeli wlis 

ganmavlobaSi. axla warmodgena ar 

maqvs, es sikeTe rogor gadavuxado 

am xalxs. US Open-is mogeba mar- 

Tlac Zalian didi warmatebaa. Cempionobas 

jer ver SeveCvie. Seni 

gvaris didi Cempionebis gverdiT 

xilva fantastikuri SegrZnebaa. 

vimedovneb, aseve gavagrZeleb”, _ 

citirebs andreeskus sityvebs Tennis 

World USA. 

CempionTa ligis himni, albaT, swored is musikaa, yoveli Tama- 

Sis win rom gvesmis da mainc yovelTvis gvburZglavs... 

is musikaa, romelmac kriStianu ronaldu „kampeoooone!” aam- 

Rera... 

is musikaa, franCesko toti rom atira CempionTa ligaSi oTx- 

wliani ganSorebis Semdeg „romas” pirveli matCisas... 

es is musikaa, romelic 27 wlis win ingliselma toni bretonma 

dawera. melodia genialuri georg hendelis motivebze Seqmna, 

teqsti SeurCia da upopularulesi himni mzad iyo. mas Semdeg 

bretons ramdenjerme sTxoves teqno, rok an pop-versiis Seqmna, 

magram klasikam gaimarjva. 

saintereso detali: Turme, avtors yoveli matCis win Sesrule- 

buli himnis honorars uxdian. erTaderTi qveyana, saidanac kapiki 

ar miuRia, ruseTia _ sanacvlod erT koncertze mariinskis Tea- 

tris simfoniuri orkestris diriJoroba SemomTavazeso. 

axali 

bolti? 

mZleosnobas sportis dedofals 

eZaxian, sprinteruli garbenebi 

ki yvelaze prestiJulad 

iTvleba. seqtembris bolos msoflios 

axali Cempioni moevlina. 

amerikelma kristian koulmenma 

100-metriani distancia 9,76 wamSi 

dafara. es Sedegi mZleosnobis istoriaSi 

meeqvsea, msoflio Cempionatebze 

ki ufro swrafad orma 

sprinterma irbina. 

mZleosnobis qomagebs kargad 

axsovT 2009 wlis msoflio Cempionatis 

finali, roca amerikelma 

taison geim msoflio rekordi 

(9,69) daamyara da... meore adgilze 

gavida. finiSze pirveli iamaikeli 

usain bolti iyo zefantastikuri 

SedegiT _ 9,58 wami. boltis rekords 

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amirani 

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amirani 

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