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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />

`ocneba~ fiqrobs, rom is SeZlebs<br />

gega silagava<br />

„qronika+~ esaubreba politologsa<br />

da eqsperts usafrTxoeb-<br />

is sakiTxebSi, xaTuna lagaziZes:<br />

_ mogesalmebiT, bolo dros<br />

ganviTarebuli movlenebidan yvelaze<br />

mniSvnelovani mainc niu-<br />

iorkSi gamarTuli saqarTvelosa<br />

da ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa min-<br />

istrebis, daviT zalkalianisa da<br />

sergei lavrovis Sexvedraa. am<br />

Sexvedris Sesaxeb Cven detalur<br />

informacias uaxloes periodSi<br />

ver miviRebT, anu imaze mets,<br />

rasac mxareebi oficialurad<br />

ityvian. amis miuxedavad, Tavad<br />

Sexvedris faqti SevafasoT da is<br />

mosazrebac, rom es Sexvedra<br />

saqarTvelos xelisuflebis pro-<br />

rusuli kursis gamoZaxilia.<br />

_ lavrov-zalkalianis Sexvedris<br />

paralelurad amerikul<br />

presaSi gamoqveynda trampisa da<br />

zelenskis Sexvedris sruli Canaweri,<br />

sadac trampi pirdapir eubneba<br />

zelenskis, rom ukrainis problemis<br />

gadawyvetaSi evropam gacilebiT<br />

meti wvlili unda Seitanos,<br />

vidre amerikam da samjer<br />

uTiTebs ruseTTan pirispir Sexvedris<br />

aucileblobaze. manamde<br />

gavrcelda informacia trampis<br />

administraciis mxridan ukrainis<br />

Tavdacvis miznebisTvis gamoyofili<br />

250 milionis SeCerebaze.<br />

mizezebze aq yuradRebas ar gavamaxvileb.<br />

mTavari is aris, rom am<br />

da kidev sxva faqtebis gamo rCeba<br />

STabeWileba, rom trampis administracia<br />

uars ambobs ukrainis<br />

problemebis gadawyvetaSi aqtiuri<br />

rolis Sesrulebaze.<br />

gavixsenoT, lavrov-zalkalianis<br />

Sexvedris Semdeg saqarTvelos<br />

oficialuri pirebis gancxadebebic,<br />

rom es Sexvedra dasavleli<br />

partniorebis rekomendaciiT<br />

Sedga. Zalauneburad Cndeba kiTxva:<br />

xom ar gvtovebs dasavleTi Cven<br />

da ukrainas Cveni problemebiT<br />

ruseTis pirispir?! yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />

cxadia, ruseTi fiqrobs,<br />

rom dro dRes mis sasargeblod<br />

muSaobs da sanam asea, maqsimaluri<br />

unda miiRos ukrainisganac da<br />

saqarTvelosganac.<br />

_ ra SeiZleba iyos maqsimumi am<br />

pirobebSi ruseTisTvis?!<br />

_ 2020 wels ruseTisadmi,<br />

rogorc arasdros, loialurad<br />

ganwyobili saqarTvelos parlamenti<br />

da amisTvis ruseTi Zalisxmevas<br />

ar daiSurebs. magram lavrov-zalkalianis<br />

Sexvedris Sedegi<br />

namdvilad ver waadgeba ruseTis am<br />

mizans. ar vici, ra iyo Sexvedris<br />

Sinaarsi, magram is namdvilad vici,<br />

rom lavrovis damcinav-damamcirebeli<br />

toni preskonferenciaze,<br />

romliTac man saqarTvelos sagareo<br />

saqmeTa ministrTan Sexvedra<br />

Seafasa, mxolod antirusul ganwyobebs<br />

Tu gaaZlierebs saqarTveloSi.<br />

da im mosazrebas aqarwylebs,<br />

rac Tqvens kiTxvaSi iyo: „ocnebis”<br />

prorusulobaze. ra gamodis: Tu<br />

ruseTi misadmi loialurad ganwyobili<br />

„ocnebis” xelisuflebis<br />

SenarCunebas cdilobs 2020-isTvis,<br />

maSin ase mwared wixls ratom<br />

azels saerTaSoriso arenaze?!<br />

_ piradad CemTvis ruseTis<br />

fenomenidan gamomdinare, pasuxi<br />

naTelia, magram mainc sjobs gan-<br />

vmartoT, es metad saintereso<br />

mocemuloba _ ratom dascina<br />

lavrovma saqarTvelos sagareo<br />

saqmeTa ministrs da, realurad,<br />

ruseTma saqarTvelosa da mis xe-<br />

lisuflebas?<br />

_ Tu mTeli es scenari, Sexvedrian-preskonferencianad,<br />

imitom<br />

daidga, rom lavrovs gaeros<br />

tribunidan moqneuli wixliT saerTaSoriso<br />

sazogadoebisTvis eCvenebina,<br />

rom saqarTvelos dRevandeli<br />

xelisufleba maTi partniori<br />

ar aris, radgan partniorebs ase<br />

ar imeteben?! xom cxadia, rom lavrovi<br />

amaze ar daxurdavdeboda.<br />

Tumca verc qarTuli feisbukis<br />

nawilis moTqmas SevuerTdebi imis<br />

Taobaze, Tu rogor gailaxa qarTuli<br />

diplomatia: kidev erTxel<br />

vusvam xazs _ ar viciT, ra iyo am<br />

molaparakebis realuri mizani, magram<br />

Sedegi rom ruseTisTvis arasaxarbielo<br />

dadga, cxadze cxadia:<br />

saqarTvelos mosaxleobam kidev<br />

erTxel dainaxa, ras SeiZleba elodos<br />

ruseTisgan gaeros tribunidan<br />

moqneuli wixlis garda.<br />

_ am fonze, ramdenime xanSi,<br />

saqarTvelos vizitad aSS-is sax-<br />

elmwifo mdivani, maikl pompeo<br />

unda ewvios. niSandoblivia is<br />

garemoeba, rom pompeo aris pirve-<br />

li adamiani aSS-is istoriaSi,<br />

romelmac centraluri dazvervis<br />

saagentos ufrosis savarZlidan<br />

amerikis mTavari diplomatis kab-<br />

inetSi gadainacvla. anu amiT imis<br />

Tqma minda, rom is udidesi in-<br />

formaciis matarebeli adamiania.<br />

paralelurad, qarTuli mxaris<br />

gancxadebebidan viciT, rom zal-<br />

kaliani-lavrovis Sexvedra stra-<br />

tegiuli partniorisa da sxva partniorebis<br />

mier gaxldaT inicir-<br />

ebuli. ratom iyo aqtualuri<br />

imave amerikuli mxarisgan, am pro-<br />

cesis provocireba moexdina? ras<br />

elodeba am kontaqtebisgan aSS an<br />

ufro metic, am konteqstSi ra<br />

gancxadebebs unda velodoT ba-<br />

toni pompeosgan TbilisSi?<br />

_ kiTxva, romelsac sakuTar<br />

Tavs xSrad vusvam, aseTia: ramdenad<br />

SeiZleba dRes vilaparakoT<br />

or aSS-ze _ erTi, romelic Zalian<br />

proaqtiuria saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT<br />

da mzad aris, yvelanairad<br />

daicvas saqarTvelos interesebi,<br />

naTlad xedavs ra saqarTvelos<br />

mniSvnelobas amerikis sagareo politikaSi<br />

da meore _ trampis amerika,<br />

romelsac srulyofilad formulirebulic<br />

ki ar aqvs saqar-<br />

Tvelos mimarTulebiT politika.<br />

_ rCeba STabeWdileba, rom<br />

saqarTvelosa da ukrainis mima-<br />

rTulebiT, aSS-is dRevandeli<br />

administraciis amocana is aris,<br />

rom Cven martoni gavumklavdeT<br />

im monstrs, romelsac Tavad an-<br />

gariSs uweven, xSirad eSiniaT<br />

kidec da uTmoben bevr rames. Tu<br />

Cvenc da ukrainamac am brZolaSi<br />

maT gareSe gavimarjveT, mere ra<br />

politikuri namusiT unda<br />

daeswron gamarjvebis foierverks<br />

an Tu davmarcxdiT, aseve ra na-<br />

musiT unda daeswron Cveni<br />

dakrZalvis ceremonials? ukac-<br />

ravad, SegawyvetineT...<br />

_ Tumca, vfiqrob, aris sakiTxebi,<br />

romlebzedac yvela jerdeba<br />

da erT-erTi aseTi anakliis Temaa,<br />

razec pompeom wina premieris amerikaSi<br />

vizitisas Zalian naTlad isaubra.<br />

Tumca masze ufro Tvalsa-<br />

Cinod anakliis portis mniSvneloba<br />

saqarTvelosTvis da dasavleli<br />

partniorebisTvis axsna ben hojesma,<br />

evropaSi aSS-is SeiaraRebuli<br />

xaTuna lagaziZe:<br />

`Cven Tu adre<br />

vsaubrobdiT<br />

or ruseTze,<br />

mgoni, axla<br />

saubari<br />

gviwevs or<br />

amerikaze:<br />

erTi _<br />

hojesi, meore<br />

_ trampi~<br />

Zalebis yofilma sardalma. hojesi<br />

ambobs, rom anakliis porti<br />

saqarTvelos saSualebas miscemda,<br />

erTi mxriv, gamxdariyo Savi zRvis<br />

usafrTxoebis erTiani sivrcis<br />

nawili, „romlis farglebSi moxdeba<br />

TanamSromloba iseTi mimarTulebebiT,<br />

rogoric aris sadazvervo<br />

informaciis gacvla, wyalqveSa<br />

navebis winaaRmdeg brZolis<br />

unarebis daxvewa, wvrTnebi,<br />

teqnikuri da infrastruqturuli<br />

sakiTxebi da naosnobis Tavisuflebis<br />

realizeba”, xolo, meore<br />

mxriv, anakliis porti sami zRvis<br />

_ baltiis, adriatikisa da Savi _<br />

suraTs Secvlis da am zRvebs<br />

ekonomikur sargebels moutans.<br />

amitomacaa, rom ruseTs ar surs am<br />

proeqtis ganxorcielebao”. sityva<br />

Zalian rom ar gagvigrZeldes,<br />

Tu pompeos viziti ZalaSia, misi<br />

Camosvlis erT-erTi Tema udavod<br />

iqneba anakliis porti, Tumca mTlad<br />

ukeTesi iqneba, Tu amerikelebi<br />

gancxadebebs saqmesac, anu investorsac<br />

moayoleben da daafinanseben<br />

anakliis portis mSeneblobas.<br />

Torem maT adgilas „anakliis konsorciumi”<br />

gaurkveveli warmoSobis<br />

„meridians” gvTavazobs, savaraudod,<br />

yazaxuri kapitaliT da<br />

erT-erTi damfuZnebliT, romelic,<br />

imavdroulad, 2006 wlidan<br />

„gazpromis” direqtorTa sabWos<br />

wevria.<br />

_ diax, anaklia namdvilad mniS-<br />

vnelovani Temaa rogorc qveynis<br />

Sida, aseve sagareo politikis<br />

TvalsazrisiT. magram, iciT, ra<br />

mainteresebs, _ ramdenad realis-<br />

turad geCvenebaT, rom qarTulma<br />

mxarem, Tundac pompeos vizitis<br />

farglebSi, dasvas sakiTxi saqarTveloSi<br />

strategiuli partnioris<br />

bazebis ganTavsebis Sesax-<br />

eb? miT ufro, rom rasmusenis<br />

ideis garSemo, am etapze, safuZv-<br />

`Tu pompeos viziti ZalaSia, misi Camosvlis<br />

erT-erTi Tema udavod iqneba anakliis porti,<br />

Tumca mTlad ukeTesi iqneba, Tu amerikelebi<br />

gancxadebebs saqmesac, anu investorsac<br />

moayoleben da daafinanseben anakliis portis<br />

mSeneblobas. Torem maT adgilas `anakliis<br />

konsorciumi~ gaurkveveli warmoSobis<br />

`meridians~ gvTavazobs, savaraudod, yazaxuri<br />

kapitaliT da erT-erTi damfuZnebliT,<br />

romelic, imavdroulad, 2006 wlidan<br />

`gazpromis~ direqtorTa sabWos wevria~<br />

liani qmedebebi ar Cans da natom-<br />

de kvlav Soria.<br />

_ igive ben hojesi zemoxsenebul<br />

interviuSi Zalian saintereso<br />

informacias gvawvdis, rom mimdinareobda<br />

diskusiebi saerTo<br />

aviabazis Sesaxebo. anu Zalian aqtiur<br />

fazaSi yofila amerikasaqarTvelosa<br />

da nato-saqarTvelos<br />

urTierTobebi, rasac Cveni<br />

amerikeli partniorebis mxridan<br />

vigebT. magram ar viciT, ra etapzea<br />

dRes es molaparakebebi Tu diskusiebi.<br />

Tumca cxadad Cans, rom<br />

igive amerikis politikuri elitis<br />

nawilSi saqarTvelos dRevandeli<br />

xelisuflebis prodasavlurobis<br />

mimarT kiTxvis niSnebi arsebobs da<br />

amas igive ben hojesi Tavis interviuSi<br />

3-jer imeorebs da ambobs,<br />

rom natoSi da dasavlur sivrceSi<br />

Semdgomi winsvlisTvis aucilebeli<br />

pirobaa, saqarTvelos xelisuflebam<br />

es eWvebi gaaqarwylos.<br />

_ axla saSinao politikasac<br />

mivxedoT. ukve sakmao dro gavi-<br />

da samTavrobo cvlilebebis<br />

Semdgom, magram sazogadoebas jer<br />

araferi ugrZnia. anu giorgi gax-<br />

arias, rogorc axali premieris<br />

pozicionirebas, ver vxedavT da<br />

igi nel-nela emsgavseba Cum<br />

winamorbedebs, Tu es droebiTi<br />

iluziaa?..<br />

_ daviwyoT imiT, rom ara mgonia,<br />

ivaniSvils surdes, mTeli pasuxismgebloba<br />

da yvela isari misken<br />

iyos mimarTuli, amitom man<br />

yvela SesaZlo variantidan gaxarias<br />

saxiT airCia figura, romelic<br />

pasuxismgeblobas sakuTar Tavze<br />

aiRebs ara marto warmatebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi, aramed marcxis drosac.<br />

amis magaliTi man 20 ivniss<br />

aCvena. miuxedavad imisa, rom bevrs<br />

dRemde ar sjera, rom is iyo 20<br />

ivnisis movlenebis realuri avtori,<br />

man sakuTar Tavze aiRo mTeli<br />

pasuxismgebloba. amave mizeziT,<br />

mas eqneba ufro meti Tavisufleba,<br />

vidre _ winamorbed premierebs.<br />

Tumca es Tavisufleba SezRuduli<br />

iqneba: amaze metyvelebs wulukianis<br />

magaliTi, romlis dawinaurebis<br />

iniciatori gaxaria ara<br />

mgonia, yofiliyo. magram wulukianma<br />

es sazRauri sasamarTlos qus-<br />

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10 N30 (291) 1.10-07.10.2019 w.

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