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kabinetSi unda daikidos!~<br />
obs saparlamento umravlesobis<br />
daSla. arCevnebamde parlamentSi<br />
xelovnur umravlesobas Seinar-<br />
Cuneben, mere ki didi ambebi daiwyeba.<br />
imis garantias gaZlevT, rom<br />
zardiaSvili, mdinaraZe da e. w.<br />
axali saxeebi „ocnebis” saarCevno<br />
siaSi ver moxvdebian. amas<br />
Tavadac kargad grZnoben da amitomac<br />
iqcevian tyeSi dakarguli<br />
mxecebiviT.<br />
aTasgvar intrigas xlarTaven,<br />
rom partiis liders gadawyvetileba<br />
Seacvlevinon, magram<br />
amis Sansi Zalian dabalia. ivaniSvilma<br />
icis, rom misi partiis<br />
reitingi isedac daeca da zardiaSvilis<br />
droSiT Tu gamova „ocneba”,<br />
saerTod dakargaven xalxis<br />
mxardaWeras.<br />
_ saarCevno siis formireba<br />
axseneT da amas, albaT, isev<br />
ivaniSvili gaakeTebs.<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. saboloo<br />
gadawyvetilebas is miiRebs. am<br />
siaSi seriozulad iqneba gaTvaliswinebuli<br />
premier giorgi gaxarias<br />
interesebi. aseve gaiTvaliswineben<br />
kaxa kalaZisa da irakli<br />
RaribaSvilis interesebsac.<br />
visi interesic ar unda oyos<br />
am siis Sedgenisas, iq zardiaSvili<br />
veRar moxvdeba, radgan<br />
ivaniSvils eka beseliaze metad<br />
es pirovneba ar mosdis TvalSi.<br />
ramdenjerme „ocnebis” liders<br />
isic ki aqvs naTqvami, es kaci parlamentSi<br />
vin moiyvana, vin gauwia<br />
rekomendaciao?<br />
_ sainteresoa, visi rekomendaciiT<br />
moxvda is saarCevno sia-<br />
Si da Semdeg parlamentSi?<br />
_ Tavisi axloblis, mamuka<br />
mdinaraZis rekomendaciiT. Tavad<br />
mdinaraZe irakli kobaxiZis<br />
rekomendaciiT moxvda sakanonmdeblo<br />
organoSi. ambobs, sufraze<br />
vnaxe kobaxiZe da iq SemomTavaza,<br />
„ocnebaSi” wamodio.<br />
_ sufra da taSfanduri rad<br />
undoda amis saTqmelad, eg da<br />
kobaxiZe jgufelebi arian.<br />
_ jgufelebi rom arian, magitomac<br />
moiyvana es xalxi parlamentSi.<br />
am gunds „ocnebaSi” veravin<br />
itans.<br />
_ bolo xanebSi mdinaraZe da<br />
kobaxiZe aRar aqtiuroben,<br />
raRacnairad gayursulebi ari-<br />
an da ra xdeba?<br />
_ imitom arian Cumad, rom ar<br />
surT, xalxma maTac esrolos<br />
talaxi. bolo incidenti arc ki<br />
SeufasebiaT. kobaxiZe „ocnebaze”<br />
Zalian aris gabrazebuli, gansakuTrebiT<br />
TalakvaZes ver itans<br />
dasanaxad. amitomac aris Cumad.<br />
_ TalakvaZes ratom ver<br />
itans?<br />
_ raRa ratom, faqtobrivad,<br />
spikeris savarZeli gamoacala<br />
qveSidan. saqarTveloSi gavrilovis<br />
CamosvliT erTaderTma<br />
kacma ixeira. es erTaderTi kaci<br />
arCil TalakvaZea. man gavrilovis<br />
suraTi unda daikidos kabinetSi.<br />
is kaci saqarTvelos parlamentis<br />
spikeris savarZelSi<br />
`sofo kilaZis, anri oxanaSvilis, daviT maTikaSvilisa da mamuka mdinaraZis<br />
garda, zardiaSvili arc aravin daicva. es ukanaskneli nacemi deputatis<br />
naTesavia da iZulebuli iyo, mxardaWera gamoexata. simarTle giTxraT, cota<br />
araseriozulad meCveneba, roca deputatebi mamakac kolegas qalisgan icaven.<br />
ramdenadac vici, saparlamento umravlesobis umravlesoba, - Sen genacvale,<br />
xelebSi ekao, - gaiZaxoda, rodesac uyurebda zardiaSvilis cemis faqts~<br />
rom ar Camjdariyo, TalakvaZe<br />
verasdros eRisreboda am maRal<br />
Tanamdebobas.<br />
„ocnebaSi” tyuilad hgonia<br />
vinmes, rom raki is ivaniSvilis<br />
garemocvad iTvleba, mas veravin<br />
Seexeba. ivaniSvils Zalian axlo<br />
naTesavebic ki mouSorebia, roca<br />
maT gadacdena hqondaT. is miT<br />
umetes ar daindobs Tavisi politikuri<br />
gundis wevrebs, romlebsac<br />
xeirianad arc ki icnobs.<br />
_ im fonze, roca kobaxiZe<br />
miyuCda, gia volski Zalian gaaq-<br />
tiurda. garda aqtiurobisa is<br />
Zalze agresiuli gaxda. riT<br />
xsniT mis agresias, egec siis<br />
miRma xom ar rCeba?<br />
_ erTma Cemma megobarma miTxra,<br />
bolo xanebSi volski „volki”<br />
gaxdao. marTla ar vici, gias<br />
ra daemarTa. Zalian aris gaafTrebuli.<br />
arada, aqamde is Tavisi<br />
diplomatiurobiT gamoirCeoda.<br />
N30 (291) 1.10-07.10.2019 w.<br />
gaafTrebisTvis, etyoba, ra-<br />
Rac mizezebi aqvs. albaT, masac<br />
unda kidev erTxel moxvdes parlamentSi.<br />
dRes vinc saparlamento<br />
umravlesobaSia, yvelas unda,<br />
rom momaval parlamentSi moipovos<br />
adgili.<br />
ramdenadac vici, „ocnebis”<br />
saarCevno siis 90% sul axali<br />
saxeebiT dakompleqtdeba. Zvelebidanac<br />
moxvdebian viRacebi,<br />
magram zardiaSvils, mdinaraZes,<br />
TalakvaZes, kobaxiZesa da kilaZes<br />
amis Sansi, faqtobrivad, ar<br />
aqvT.<br />
_ arada, es gundi akon-<br />
trolebs dRes parlaments.<br />
_ ar daijeroT. maT aravin<br />
arafers ekiTxeba. egRa aklia<br />
ivaniSvils, magaT gaakontrolebinos<br />
rame.<br />
_ kvirikaSvilisa da maTi<br />
brZola „axlebis” gamarjvebiT<br />
dasrulda da rogor arafers<br />
`beseliasa da<br />
ivaniSvilis<br />
dapirispireba blefia~<br />
warmoadgenen?<br />
_ kvirikaSvils rom ar<br />
mieqara, es gundi mas verafers<br />
daaklebda. yofilma premierma<br />
sakuTar Tavs Tavad gauCaliCa.<br />
man iseTi raRacebi akeTa, rom<br />
misi mTavrobis meTaurad datoveba<br />
aRar SeiZleboda.<br />
_ ra akeTa amisTana?<br />
_ sanam gamoZiebiT ar dadgindeba,<br />
vinmesTvis ramis dabraleba<br />
ar minda, magram bevrs saubroben<br />
imaze, rom misi premierobis<br />
dros 700 milioni dolari<br />
gaqra.<br />
misi gagdebis mTavari mizezi<br />
arc gamqrali milionebi yofila.<br />
simarTle Tu gindaT, is mTavrobidan<br />
mamuka xazaraZis gamo<br />
gaagdes. es yvelaferi Cem Tvalwin<br />
moxda.<br />
_ ra moxda Tqven Tvalwin?<br />
_ bevri ramis momswre var,<br />
magram am SemTxvevaSi imas mogaxsenebT,<br />
rac kvirikaSvils exeba.<br />
is xazaraZis gamo gariya ivaniSvilma.<br />
kvirikaSvilma yvelaferi<br />
gaakeTa imisTvis, rom anakliis<br />
proeqtSi mamuka xazaraZes gaemarjva.<br />
arada, es proeqti sxvas<br />
unda moego. ase iyo, Turme, gadawyvetili.<br />
rodesac anakliis portis<br />
proeqtis gamarjvebuli gamoacxades,<br />
xelisuflebis maRalCinosnis<br />
kabinetSi vijeqi. im adamianis<br />
vinaobas ar davasaxeleb, magram<br />
getyviT, rom is „ocnebis”<br />
liderTan Zalian daaxloebuli<br />
adamiania da gadawyvetilebebis<br />
mimRebTa xuTeulSi Sedis.<br />
roca gamarjvebulis vinaoba<br />
gamoacxades, es kaci Cem Tvalwin<br />
wamoxta da iyvira: vaime, axla<br />
vano gadaireva da amas mamukas da<br />
kvirikaSvils ar apatiebso.<br />
Tavidan ver mivxvdi, romel<br />
vanoze iyo saubari. jer vano<br />
merabiSvili megona, magram gamaxsenda,<br />
rom is cixeSia.<br />
roca Cemi ZalebiT ver mivxvdi,<br />
vin vanoze iyo saubari, am<br />
kacs vkiTxe. miTxra, vano CxartiSvilze<br />
vlaparakob, mas undoda,<br />
rom es proeqti moegoo.<br />
miTxra, am gaugebrobas didi ambebi<br />
moyvebao.<br />
kargad maxsovs misi erTi<br />
frazac. Tqva, xazaraZis gamarjveba<br />
niSnavs, rom kvirikaSvilma<br />
biZinas gadaabijao.<br />
_ anu biZina ivaniSvili Cxar-<br />
tiSvils lobirebda?<br />
_ rogorc Cemma axlobelma<br />
miTxra, biZinasTan xazaraZis gamarjveba<br />
SeTanxmebuli ar iyo.<br />
ivaniSvilma icoda, rom anakliis<br />
portis proeqti vano CxartiSvils<br />
unda moegoo.<br />
kvirikaSvili amas garantiebis<br />
gareSe ver gabedavda. man garantiebi<br />
amerikaSi miiRo da CxartiSvilic<br />
anakliis portidan<br />
CaaCoCes.<br />
Tamamad SemiZlia giTxraT,<br />
rom sinamdvileSi es ambavi gaxda<br />
giorgi kvirikaSvilis premierobidan<br />
gaSvebis safuZveli.<br />
„ocnebis” liderma mas arc is<br />
apatia, rom mis zurgsukan daiwyo<br />
TamaSi. kvirikaSvili ivaniSvilis<br />
SantaJsac ar erideboda.<br />
_ ranairad an riT aSantaJeb-<br />
da?<br />
_ im Sexvedraze, sadac kvirikaSvilis<br />
gadayenebis sakiTxi<br />
gadawyda, man ivaniSvils aseTi<br />
fraza uTxra, _ me rom momendomebina,<br />
amerikaSi davrekavdi<br />
da ver gadamayenebdio. es fraza<br />
sakmaod mravlismetyvelia.<br />
_ marTla SeeZlo amis ga-<br />
keTeba yofil premiers?<br />
_ rom SeZleboda, gaakeTebda<br />
kidevac.<br />
_ aba, ras emuqreboda ivaniS-<br />
vils?<br />
_ mas iluzia gauCnda, rom<br />
amerikaSi seriozuli kavSirebi<br />
hqonda. kavSirebi rogor ar<br />
hqonda, magram ara iseTi, rom mis<br />
sanacnobos „ocnebis” liderze<br />
gavlena moexdina.<br />
_ ramdenjerme axseneT Cxar-<br />
tiSvili da masac xom ar unda<br />
saparlamento siaSi moxvedra?<br />
_ ara, vano CxartiSvilisTvis<br />
parlamentSi Sesvla daqveiTebis<br />
tolfasi iqneba. is ivaniSvilis<br />
axlo garemocvis wevria da gadawyvetilebebis<br />
miRebaSi monawileobs.<br />
parlamentSi Tavad ar<br />
Seva, magram ramdenime adamians<br />
Caasmevinebs siaSi.<br />
aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaze<br />
mas raRac kontroli aqvs da<br />
arc parlamentis gakontrolebaze<br />
ityvis uars.<br />
am adamianis msgavsi figurebi<br />
rac SeiZleba male unda gavaqroT<br />
qarTuli politikidan. es<br />
is xalxia, romlebmac gasuli<br />
saukunis 90-ian wlebSi Cveni<br />
mSoblebisa da bebia-babuebis<br />
anabrebi moipares, mere am moparuli<br />
fulebiT bankebi daaarses<br />
da Cveni winaprebisTvis moparuli<br />
fuli maRali procentiT<br />
mogvasesxes.<br />
es xalxi mxolod sakuTar<br />
sikeTeze fiqrobs, maT araerTi<br />
saZagloba aqvT Cadenili da arc<br />
momavalSi ityvian amaze uars.<br />
amitom saswrafod unda gavaTavisufloT<br />
politika CxartiSvilebis,<br />
xazaraZeebisa da maTnairebisgan.<br />
winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi,<br />
am qveyanas ganviTareba ar<br />
uweria.<br />
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