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APPENDIX A. TALK.ABORTION: AUGUST 9, 1994 130 >first woman kills her baby, she will be charged with murder. The >second woman walks away. > >How can you justify this from a medical standpoint? What is the difference >between the first and second baby? Place of residence? I admit that >3rd trimester abortions are rare, but they are legal. In most states, >abortion is legal up to the moment of birth. How can this be justified >medically? No one on your side of the issue has addressed these perfectly >legitimate medical questions. They just say that the unborn child is >not human, offer nothing to prove it, and then go on to talk about >reproductive choice and mysogyny. This may wash with some people, but >I never bought it. These issues have never been fully explored. If, >it can be proven that unborn children are human, we have not choice but >to make abortion illegal. We simply cannot tell people that it is OK >to kill children. > You are using words "person" "child" and "human being" quite confusingly. Your question "when does a person become human being" does not make a sense to me. You should ask "when does a human being become a person". One can say that a fetus is a human being, at east in some meaning of the word, from quite early. However, it does not become a person, an entity that is self-conscious, until after the birth. For legal purposes the birth is a good line though. Lets consider these two babies. Lets assume that the second woman did not abort but had her child in time. They babies grow up and after 18 years there comes an election. For some reason the one who was born pre-maturely can vote, but the one who was born in time cannot. Our society simply uses the birth as the starting point where the ages are counted. Your last statement:" it can be proven that unborn children are human, we have not choice but to make abortion illegal. We simply cannot tell people that it is OK to kill children." does not make any sense. If the fetuses are "unborn children", as you state, then they are "children" no matter if they are human. Why is being human relevant. How can just being a member of one species be important, in itself. Also What you can tell people is not the issue here. You can tell them that abortion is wrong if you wish. The problems become when you think you should be able to tell them what they should do. You conveniently completely ignore the woman. It is really easy to support banning abortions when one thinks the woman is a "place of residence". When you consider if the fetus is a person, remember that the woman surely is one. > > > >-- >============================================================================= >Robert Huck rohuck@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu >"That’s 6-4-3 if you’re scoring at home and even if you’re by yourself." > Keith Olbermann
APPENDIX A. TALK.ABORTION: AUGUST 9, 1994 131 Osmo Article 13 Reference 161393 From keegan@helios.acm.rpi.edu Date Tue, Aug 2, 1994 12:58 PM HUCK ROBERT O wrote: : james g. keegan jr. (keegan@helios.acm.rpi.edu) wrote: : : : It is very easy to portray pro-lifers in the worst manner possible. : : : of course it is! the foundation of anti-choice efforts : : is to take rights from a class of person, women. it’s : : pretty easy to portray something that evil in the : : "worst manner." : : You conveniently deleted what I said next. yes i did. leaving it in would have made you look dishonest as well as callous. : I said it is easy to portray : pro-lifers in the worst possible manner *if you ignore the facts*. like i said, "the foundation of anti-choice efforts is to take rights from a class of person, women. it’s pretty easy to portray something that evil in the "worst manner."" : : : You say that "there are no ’defenseless : : : children’ killed in an abortion". : : : in response to your frenzied claim "They are saying : : that people should not be allowed to kill defenseless : : children." see it still included above? : : : : Prove it. : : : [...] : : : Do you get my point? : : : is it that you, like most anti-choicers, need to shriek : : emotionally laden words like "kill defenseless : : children" in the hope of intimidating teh few who might : : believe you? : : Readers please note - Mr. Keegan offered no proof to support his claim, : he merely threw around charges of intimidation. threw around charges? you foolishly left the text included to prove what i charged. : : : Furthermore, I refuse to defend myself or any other pro-lifer I know : : : against charges of sexism. :
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