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<strong>The</strong> Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson <strong>Neruda</strong><br />

WingmakersTM<br />

Sarah: “So the sequence is first the human portal and then <strong>The</strong> Grand Portal And from a<br />

timing perspective, what can you say about it”<br />

Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “<strong>The</strong> human portal anchors the inception point on earth for <strong>The</strong> Grand<br />

Portal. It will come in about ten years. <strong>The</strong> Grand Portal, about seventy years after that.<br />

Those are the rough timeframes I’ve been given, but always with the stipulation that these<br />

times can shift and change.”<br />

Sarah: “What does science say about this”<br />

Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “Science… in terms of what”<br />

Sarah: “I mean the whole notion of the universe being a hologram or illusion created inside<br />

our head.”<br />

Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “Science is not able to explain it. <strong>The</strong> counterlogical nature of the universe—in<br />

terms of quantum behavior—is impossible to explain. Some scientists have relented to<br />

explaining it all away as hidden variables. But frankly, what the WingMakers have explained<br />

is that we’re creating the universe through the human interface Anu provided us by<br />

reinterpreting sound vibrations through our five senses.”<br />

Sarah: “But it doesn’t make sense… how can I see the moon and a two-year-old can see it<br />

exactly the same way How can it be the same”<br />

Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “No, this is what the unconscious mind provides the Human 2.0 interface. It<br />

gathers the interpretation of the sound vibration of the moon, based on billions and billions<br />

of sightings throughout time. <strong>The</strong>se evolve and change based on environmental conditions,<br />

but generally the notion that the moon is silver and generally the size that it is, is stored and<br />

shared in the DNA and unconscious mind system and reinforced by culture, family and<br />

education. This is the universal collective field. It’s a field effect that transfers information<br />

through vibratory fields that interconnect humans.”<br />

Sarah: “Maybe it’ll just take me a while to get that one. I hear your explanation; it just<br />

doesn’t make sense to me. Let me change the topic slightly. If everyone’s life is preprogrammed,<br />

why are you and I talking about this I mean why are we able to discuss this<br />

Why would Marduk’s program allow us to even glimpse this information”<br />

Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “It’s a good question. Maybe the best way to understand this is to consider a<br />

thought experiment. Imagine that our universe is a bubble. 8 It was created by a group of<br />

entities that used deception against their equals who had never experienced such an evil<br />

vision of separation, and therefore couldn’t conceive of a defense against it. This bubble<br />

universe seemed complete and always expanding. In many ways, it was an ideal platform for<br />

life, and yet only one sentient life form seemed to exist on one tiny planet inside this vast,<br />

near-infinite universe.<br />

8 See page 79 for a diagram of the Hologram of Deception.<br />

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