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<strong>The</strong> Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson <strong>Neruda</strong><br />

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Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “If you look at the material that comes from religion, spirituality, philosophy,<br />

psychology, even the arts, you will see that much of this material is designed to be an<br />

owner’s manual for our functional implants. <strong>The</strong>y support the Human 2.0 interface. <strong>The</strong>y<br />

instruct us on the methods and attitudes to activate these systems inside us.<br />

“I’ve previously mentioned the three layers of the consciousness interface—the conscious<br />

mind, the subconscious and the unconscious. <strong>The</strong> unconscious is where we mostly operate<br />

in terms of our behaviors and perceptions. <strong>The</strong> unconscious mind layer is deep and<br />

penetrating, and it is universal. As I said, it’s how Anu uses the oneness concept to his<br />

benefit. We are one in separation. <strong>The</strong> unconscious mind is one.<br />

“Separation is a fractal energy. It infects everything within the Hologram of Deception to<br />

such a degree that it’s not recognizable. No matter how well intentioned a person or<br />

organization might be to convey true information, what often lurks behind the information<br />

is this fractal energy of separation and its use of comparison and judgment and all the other<br />

tools of separation that distill down to fear and unworthiness.<br />

“It’s as if the internal programming of Marduk and the external programming of the Triad of<br />

Power echoes around in all content of all times and cultures, so common and accepted, as to<br />

be unnoticeable. We have accepted separation, because it seems normal. Thus our behaviors<br />

and perceptions, driven largely by the unconscious mind, embody separation, and the vast<br />

majority of us do not even know it.”<br />

Sarah: “Okay, but then how do we become of aware of it”<br />

Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “A person must understand that they are being programmed… that’s a starting<br />

point. If you don’t accept this basic premise, then why would you choose to change If you<br />

do, then observe the programming inside you, within others in your environment, the larger<br />

world, and begin to see how subtle this programming is.<br />

“In many ways, to observe this programming requires us to be neutral, so we can simply<br />

observe our internal states and the messages therein, as well as those of the external<br />

program, which come via television, the Internet, email, newspapers, magazines, direct mail,<br />

and so on. It isn’t critical that you know how every program is expressed into your life or<br />

what its esoteric meaning is. What’s important is that you understand you are being<br />

programmed and you seek an internal source of direction, inspiration and movement.<br />

“<strong>The</strong> Sovereign Integral process is focused on you—the individual—directing your own<br />

self—life essence—to express itself in oneness and equality. That’s it. If you do this, then<br />

you are releasing the hold of the programming. For some this can be done quickly, and for<br />

others it might require more diligent practice.”<br />

Sarah: “Can I do this and still be a Christian or whatever I was raised in”<br />

Dr. <strong>Neruda</strong>: “I suggest that anyone who resonates with this information try it out. See how<br />

it moves them through their life path. If they want to remain in their current structures, see<br />

if elements of the Sovereign Integral process could be applied. But if you don’t see<br />

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