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dakargvas ar Seegueba~
_ man ranairad moiyvana? ram-
deni iwvala kremlma xajimbas
gaprezidentebaze.
_ sisuleleebs ambobs. xajimba
moiyvana kremlis specsamsaxurebma
da gauSva anqvabma.
_ anqvabi vaxseneT da xajimbas
gaSvebis Semdeg ras gaakeTebs?
prezidentad xom ar iyris kenWs?
_ anqvabi, albaT, ufro araformalur
mmarTvelad Camoyalibdeba.
mas aqvs amis gamocdileba.
15 wlis win sergei baRafSi misi
proeqti iyo.
_ maSin Tavadac surda saprez-
idento arCevnebSi monawileoba,
magram registraciidan moxsnes.
_ maTi kanonmdeblobiT, saprezidento
arCevnebSi monawile
piri ukanaskneli 5 wlis manZilze
afxazeTSi unda cxovrobdes. anqvabi
ki moskovSi iyo wasuli, iq
cxovrobda da amitom moxsnes is
registraciidan. maSin baRafSis
proeqti gaTamaSda. axla ar vici,
ra posts daikavebs is. ufro mgonia,
rom premieris posts airCevs.
gaaCnia, rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi.
prezidentad ara mgonia,
rom kenWi iyaros. is erTxel ukve
iyo prezidenti da kremlma xajimbas
xeliT Camoagdo.
_ mas premieris postic ekava.
es posti mas baRafSma SesTavaza.
_ araa gamoricxuli, meoredac
daikavos es posti. SeiZleba, isev
CrdilSi darCes da araformaluri
mmarTveloba amjobinos. is,
kvicinia da bJania erTad iqnebian.
es triumvirati uxelmZRvanelebs
afxazeTs uaxloes periodSi.
_ Samba ar iqneba maTTan? isini
mainc erTi Taobis politiko-
sebi arian...
_ maT Soris raRac uTanxmoebebi
iyo da saerTo enis gamoZebna
gauWirdebaT, magram SeiZleba ra-
RacaSi mainc gaerios Samba. miT
umetes, rom afxazeTSi bevri rame
Seicvleba. zemoT giTxariT, rom
kremlis administraciidan wargzavnili
arZinba iq partias Seqmnis.
es partia kremlis interesebis
gamtarebeli iqneba.
alika arZinba da „momavali
afxazeTi” kremlis yvela davalebas
Seasruleben. moskovi Zalian
sworad moiqca, rom Tavisi kadri
gazarda afxazeTisTvis. Cven vin
gavzardeT? gavzardeT ki ara,
saerTod ar gvainteresebs es
Tema. xom SeiZleboda, Cvenc vinme
gagvezarda?! SeiZleboda, magram
ar gavzardeT.
_ gazrdiT aravin gagvizrdia,
magram gvyavs devnilobaSi myofi
legitimuri mTavroba da umaR-
lesi sabWo.
_ legitimuri mTavrobis wevrebi
mxolod sakuTar xelfasebze
arian orientirebulebi da ojaxis
wevrebis dasaqmeba ainteresebT.
qveynis xelisuflebas afxazeTis
Tematikaze muSaoba parlamentis
sxdomis Catareba hgonia, sadac
okupirebul regionze isaubreben.
am sxdomaze iseTi xalxi iyo miwveuli,
visac afxazeTze warmodgenac
ki ar hqonda da aTas
sisuleles bodialobda.
_ Tqveni zemoT TqviT, rom
alika arZinbas axalgazrdebiT
dakompleqtebuli partia an da-
iqvemdebarebs momaval prezidents,
an Camoagdebso. es Camogde-
ba kargad daamuRames afxazebma:
ramdenime wlis win anqvabi Camo-
`Sambas ndoba ar SeiZleba~
agdes, axla _ xajimba. male,
rogorc Tqven ambobT, jerac au-
rCevels Camoagdeben.
_ afxazebs sul sxva raRac
aqvT damuRamebuli. iq realurad
ar arsebobs saxelisuflebo mmarTveloba,
iq gvarovnuli mmarTvelobaa.
yvelafers gvarebi da
uxucesebi wyveten. uxucesebs did
pativs scemen da maT Tu rame
Tqves, kremlis winaaRmdegac ki
wavlen afxazebi. moskovma gadasarevad
icis afxazeTis Tematika
da uxucesebis fenomenic ar dar-
CeniaT SeumCneveli. maT axalgazrdebze
gaakeTes arCevani. Seuqmnian
partias alika arZinbas da
kargad daafinanseben. „momavali
afxazeTi” Tavis saqmes gaakeTebs.
_ es partia uxucesebze met
avtoritets moipovebs?
_ ara, magram es uxucesebi asak-
Si arian da odesRac xom gardaicvlebian.
_ sxvebi Sevlen xanSi da isini
daikaveben maT adgils.
_ ase aRar gamova. nel-nela
sxva Taoba modis da maTTvis ux-
N1 (303) 21.1-27.1.2020 w.
ucesebis azri aRar iqneba iseTi
avtoritetuli, rogorc axla
aris. arZinbas partia ori wlis
mere gaaqtiurdeba. SeiZleba, ufro
adrec aamoqmedon. gazafxulze
arCeuli prezidenti Tu
kargad gamoadga kremls, maSin
aclian da axalgazrdebs 5 wlis
Semdeg gaaaqtiureben.
am axalgazrdebs kargad daamuSavebs
kremli da maTi wyalobiT
afxazeTze totalur kontrols
daamyareben. moskovis amocana
soxumisa da cxinvalis mierTebaa.
mas iseve surs am ori regionis
mierTeba, rogorc yirimi miierTa.
_ afxazebs ar surT ruseTTan
mierTeba.
_ magitomac undaT afxazeTze
totaluri kontrolis damyareba.
amdeni xania CaliCoben da am sakiTxze
afxazebTan ver dalagdnen.
osebTan es ukve mogvarebuli
aqvT. imaT orjer mainc Caatares
referendumi da ruseTis SemadgenlobaSi
Sesvlas dauWires mxari.
afxazebi rom ar uwevdnen
`moskovma kargad icis, rom anqvabi afxazeTis
momavals ruseTis SemadgenlobaSi ar xedavs.
ufrosi Taobis afxazi politikosebi realur
damoukideblobas uWeren mxars. isini
antirusuli ganwyobis matareblebi arian. es
imas sulac ar niSnavs, rom maT saqarTvelos
mimarT simpaTiebi aqvT~
rusebs winaaRmdegobas, cxinvalic
da soxumic ukve ruseTis nawili
iqneboda. Tan es ramdenime
wlis win moxdeboda.
_ osebs ase Zalian Tu undaT
ruseTis federaciaSi Sesvla, mx-
olod maT ratom ar iReben?
_ ase ar awyobT, Tan moskovisTvis
mTavari samiznea afxaze-
Ti. am regionebis mierTebas dasavleTidan
ruseTisTvis damatebiT
sanqciebis daweseba moyveba. calcalke
Tu miierTeben, gacilebiT
bevri sanqcia gamouvaT. urCevniaT,
erTi xarji gawion. rogorc ki
afxazebTan mogvardebian, CaTvaleT,
rom orive teritorias miierTeben.
_ xajimbas ra bedi eweva? mas
SeeSvebian rusebi, Tu kidev Seat-
enian am kacs afxazebs?
_ ara xajimbas Tema daxurulia,
es ukve aSkarad Cans. is SeiZleba
afxazeTis parlamentis wevri
gaxdes, magram meTauri veRar
iqneba.
_ aSkaraa, rom afxazebs xajim-
ba ar uyvarT. ra aris amis
mizezi?
_ imitom ar uyvarT, rom is
kremlis davalebebis Semsrulebeli
iyo. imitom ar uyvarT, rom
kremlTan iseTi xelSekrulebebi
gaaforma, raze xelmowerasac sxvebi
ar Tanxmdebodnen. mis mier
xelmowerili dokumentebiT rusi
samxedroebi da specsamsaxurebis
TanamSromlebi ganusazRvreli
uflebebiT sargebloben. mkvlelobac
rom Caidinon afxazeTis
teritoriaze, maT aravin mosTxovs
pasuxs. Zalian cudad iqcevian
rusebi afxazeTSi. afxazebi maT
mimarT ukve uaryofiTad arian
ganwyobili. ase rom, xajimba
damTavrda.
_ kargia, xajimba rom damTav-
rda, magram amiT CvenTvis rame
icvleba? vakeTebT saerTod
rames okupirebuli regionebis
mimarTulebiT?
_ am mimarTulebiT araferi
keTdeba da arc momavalSi igegmeba
ramis gakeTeba. Tu gamkeTeblebi
iyvnen, aqamde gaakeTebdnen
rames. darwmunebuli var, gegmac
ki ar aqvT. piradad me maqvs gegma,
Tu rogor unda vimoqmedoT.
afxazeTi Cemi cxovrebis nawilia.
yvelas vicnob, yvela vici, vin ras
warmoadgens da arafris mofiqreba
ar mWirdeba.
_ gegma maqvso da axor-
cielebT am gegmas?
_ gegma ramdenime welia, rac
maqvs, magram ranairad ganvaxorcielo?
amis SesaZlebloba arasdros
momeca. Tanac, es Cemi gegma
da afxazeTSi dabrunebis strategia
aravis aRar ainteresebs. is ar
ainteresebs arc mTavrobas, arc
sazogadoebas da rac yvelaze cudia,
es strategia Tavad devnilebsac
ar ainteresebT.
_ xelisuflebas vatyob, rom
ar ainteresebs, magram xalxs ar
mgonia, ar ainteresebdes.
_ ar ainteresebs. afxazeTi da
cxinvali mxolod sufraze axsovT.
iq ityvian sadRegrZelos,
asweven Wiqas da amiT mTavrdeba
yvelaferi. sadRegrZelos Sesmis
Semdeg ukve aRar axsovT cxinvali
da soxumi. rogor SeiZleba,
saxelmwifo gerqvas da okupirebul
regionSi viRacaze ar muSaobde?
Cveni saxelmwifo aravisze
muSaobs, arafers akeTebs.
Cven iq unda gvyavdes Cveni interesebis
gamtareblebi. xalxis
gadmosabireblad nebismieri forma
misaRebia: iqneba es finansuri
daintereseba, SantaJi, muqara... magram
unda vmuSaobdeT. samwuxarod,
ar vmuSaobT.
_ es imas xom ar niSnavs, rom
Cvenma saxelmwifom sabolood
Caiqnia xeli dakarguli region-
ebis dabrunebaze?
_ calsaxad minda giTxraT, rom
afxazeTi da cxinvali mxolod sadRegrZeloebis
doneze darCa. ar
minda sityva „xelis Caqneva” gamoviyeno,
radgan jer kidev vitoveb
imeds, rom am mimarTulebiT
cvlilebebi iqneba.
_ 8 agvistos da 27 seqtembers
dakargul teritoriebs yvela
ixsenebs da es imeds maZlevs, rom
Tema daviwyebuli ar iqneba.
TqvenTvis ar aris es optimizmis
safuZveli?
_ am gaxsenebiT ufro sakuTar
Tavs axseneben xalxs. dakarguli
teritoriebi rom stkiodeT, ra-
Rac strategia da gegma eqnebodaT.
saerTod ar muSaoben cxinvalisa
da afxazeTis mimarTulebiT.
rodesac soxumSi areuloba
daiwyo, yvelaferi imaze miuTi-
Tebda, rom xajimbas Camoagdebdnen.
es araerT interviuSi vTqvi.
Tbilisi sul sxva prognozs ake-
Tebda. es metyvelebs imaze, rom
afxazeTTan aranairi bma aRar
aqvT. raRac bma rom hqonodaT,
Zalian iolad amoicnobdnen iqaurebis
ganwyobas da mixvdebodnen,
rom xajimba damTavrda. amis
gasarkvevad agenturuli samuSaos
Catareba ar iyo saWiro. socialur
qselSi afxazur forumebSi
SeiZleba gawevrianeba da iqidan
bevr rames gaigeben.
piradad me yvela afxazur gazeTs
vkiTxulob, vuyureb afxaze-
Tis televizias da vici, ra ganwyobebia
iq. amaTac SeuZliaT amis
gakeTeba, magram Tema ar ainteresebT.
simarTle Tu gindaT, mec
daviRale afxazeTze saubariT.
gana imitom, rom aRar minda am
kuTxeze vilaparako, imiT davi-
Rale, rom am Cems saubars Sedegi
ar moaqvs.
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