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situacias isic amZafrebs,rom xelisuflebas problemebigundis SigniTac aqvs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,analitikosTa nawilimianiSnebs, rom „ocnebaSi” gavlenissferoebisTvis gadanawilebakulminacias aRwevs da SesaZloa,isec moxdes, rom ivaniSvilisgundi iseTma cnobilma saxemdatovos, rogoric, magaliTad,Tbilisis meri kaxa kalaZea.sxvaTa Soris, politikur kuluarebSiimis Sesaxebac saubroben,rom kalaZis ganeitralebismizniT, ivaniSvilma, SesaZloa,dedaqalaqis Tavkacis garemocvismasobrivi daWerebi daiwyos.Tu yvelaferi es gamarTlda,maSin „ocnebas” opoziciisTviswinaaRmdegobis gawevisunari aRar eqneba da iZulebuligaxdeba, mTeli resursi Sidabuntis CaxSobas moaxmaros.imaze, rom xelisuflebaSi buntimzaddeba, kidev erTi garemoebamianiSnebs _ Tanamdebobisyofili pirebis „meored mosvla”daiwyo. yovel SemTxvevaSi, mTavariprokurori, didi albaTobiT,kvlav irakli SoTaZe gaxdeba.ras emsaxureba es „meoredmosvla”? _ „leiboristuli partiis”erT-erTi lideri, giorgigugava ambobs, rom ivaniSvilskadrebis nakleboba aqvs da msgavsnabijebs swored amitomdgams. amas garda, gugava „qronika+~-sTansaubrisas arc imasgamoricxavs, rom „ocnebaSi” monebisajanyeba daiwyos.„monebma yvelaze sastikiSurisZieba ician”, _ ambobs giorgigugava da dasZens, rom Zvelikadrebis dabrunebiT ivaniSviliswored am buntis Cacxrobascdilobs.rogor ganviTardeba proces-ebi da vin iqneba pirveli „mona”,romelic „ocnebis” Tavmjdomaresaujanydeba? _ „qronika+~gTavazobT intervius „lei-boristuli partiis” erT-erTlider giorgi gugavasTan:_ batono giorgi, meoredmosvla, praqtikulad, daiwyo _sxva Tu araferi, ager, irakliSoTaZe mTavar prokuroradbrundeba. imasac amboben, rombiZina ivaniSvili premierobisTvisemzadeba, zaqaria quc-naSvili ki _ deputatobisTviso.mokled, ra moqmedebaa, ra vi-Tarebaa?_ yvelaferi es, daaxloebiT,imas hgavs, adamianma garderobi„seqend hendSi” nayidi tansacmliTrom ganaaxlos. meored mosvlaRaribaSviliT daiwyo, axlaSoTaZe modis, romelic bulgakoviscnobili nawarmoebis personaJshgavs. ganaTlebis minis-26294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comivaniSvilis samTavroboyvelaferi imaze mianiSnebs,giorgi abaSiZerom wlevandeli weli poli-tikurad Zalian cxeli iqneba, anusakuTari poziciebis daTmobas, arsebuli mocemulobiT, arcxelisufleba apirebs da arc _ opozicia. Sesabamisad, bavSvicki xvdeba, rom saparlamento arCevnebi didi wivil-kivilisada cema-tyepis akompanementiT Catardeba.trad Cxenkelic meored movida,romelic ivaniSvils diTirambebsuZRvnis. mokled, es milevadreJimSi myofi xelisuflebisukanaskneli dReebia. am xelisuflebassakadro deficitiaqvs, rac naTlad aCvenebs, romfigurebis cvlilebis miuxedavad,arsebiTad araferi Seicvleba._ is, rom „ocnebas” kadrebisnakleboba aqvs, axali araa, magramZveli saxeebis „gacocxle-ba” mainc ras emsaxureba? bolosda bolos, am qveyanaSi iseTikarieristebi namdvilad moiZeb-nebian, romlebic arc „ocnebis”CasaZirad ganwirul navSi Casx-domaze ityvian uars._ gasagebia, magram is adamiani,romelsac Tanamdebobaze daniSnaven,ivaniSvilis maRali sandoobiTunda iyos aRWurvili.amas garda, ivaniSvils iseTi kadrebisdaniSvna sCvevia, romlebickomprometirebulni arian_ aseTi adamianebi adviladimarTebian. SeuZlebelia, ivaniSvilismTavrobaSi TviTmyofadida Tavisufali pirovnebebiiyvnen. mas monebi da mosamsaxureebisWirdeba! dRes mTeli saxelmwifosistema oligarqis interesebsemsaxureba da ara _saxelmwifos! arada, wesiT, xelisuflebaxalxis mieraa daqiravebulida amitom sajarointeresebs unda atarebdes!erTi sityviT, ivaniSvili da misimona figurebi saxelmwifos arsebobassafrTxis winaSe ayeneben!_ batono giorgi, es adamianebi,romlebsac Tqven monebs eZa-xiT, xelisuflebaSi aqamdeciyvnen. hoda, Tu ivaniSvils monebisWirdeba, maSin ratom gauS-va an axla ratom abrunebs maT?modiT, es „qocuri algoriTmi”SoTaZis magaliTze amovxsnaT._ SoTaZe ivaniSvilma ki argauSva, aramed, garemoebam dasituaciam aiZula, rom gaqceuliyo_ saraliZis saqmeze sazogadoebasmkveTri, samarTlianida masobrivi protesti hqonda.amitom situacia xelidan rom argaqceoda, ivaniSvilma SoTaZezvarakad Seswira. amis Semdeg,erTi Tavisi mosamsaxure, „udiplomosasiZo”, TadumaZe uzenaessasamarTloSi gadaiyvana da mTavariprokuroris vakansiisSevseba gaxda saWiro.saerTod, SoTaZe, rogorcCans, kargi Semsrulebelia damafiozur binzes-garCevebsaceswreba xolme _ amis Sesaxeb xazaraZemganacxada. aqedan gamomdinare,ivaniSvili SoTaZesTan,rogorc Cans, komfortuladgrZnobs Tavs da, misive sityvebiTrom vTqvaT, davalebis bevrjergameoreba ar sWirdeba,giorgi gugava:òcnebis~ monebma,SesaZloa, TavisgadarCenis mizniT,patroni sakuTarixeliT daklan!~Torem vTqvi da kidev vimeoreb,rom normaluri, kvalificiurida principuli adamiani am xelisuflebaSimuSaobaze ar dasTanxmdeba,radgan „ocnebasTan”urTierToba sazogadoebis yvelafenaSi ukve saZraxisad iTvleba.amasTan, am xelisuflebisdasasruli gardauvalia!_ batono giorgi, elodebiT,rom am politikur meored mos-vlas ivaniSvilis gapremierebadaagvirgvinebs?_ gaviTvaliswinoT, romsaarCevno welia._ diax, magram es ivaniSvilisSesaZlo gapremierebasTan rakavSirSia?_ „ocnebas” lokomotivisWirdeba._ anu?_ marTalia, iCemebs, magramivaniSvili analizis didi unariTar gamoirCeva, Tumca gadarCenisinstinqti aqvs gamaxvilebulida, Sesabamisad, grZnobs,rom mis reJimsa da mmarTvelobismaxinj sistemas safrTxe emuqreba,anu SesaZloa, Zalauflebadakargos. Zalauflebis dakargvaski yvelafris dakargvadaRiqvams. aqedan gamomdinare, ivaniSviliiseTi svlebis gakeTebascdilobs, romliTac Tavs gadairCens._ anu ivaniSvili fiqrobs,rom Tu Crdilidan gamova damTavrobis meTauri gaxdeba,amiT Tavs gadairCens?_ isic gasaTvaliswinebelia,rom ivaniSvili Sida safrTxeebsacgrZnobs._ ra „Sida safrTxeze”akeTebT aqcents, batono gior-gi?_ ivaniSvils SesaZloa, mTelisistema CamoeSalos, amitom essafrTxe rom gaaneitralos, amisgamo, albaT, iZulebuli gaxdeba,Crdilidan gamovides da premierobazeformaluri pasuxismgeblobaaiRos!ìvaniSvili SoTaZesTan, rogorc Cans,komfortulad grZnobs Tavs da, misivesityvebiT rom vTqvaT, davalebis bevrjergameoreba ar sWirdeba, Torem vTqvi da kidevvimeoreb, rom normaluri, kvalificiuri daprincipuli adamiani am xelisuflebaSimuSaobaze ar dasTanxmdeba, radganòcnebasTan~ urTierToba sazogadoebis yvelafenaSi ukve saZraxisad iTvleba. amasTan, amxelisuflebis dasasruli gardauvalia!~26 N1 (303) 21.1-27.1.2020 w._ sxvaTa Soris, kuluarebSiamboben, rom erT-erTi pirveli,vinc ivaniSvils gaemijneba,Tbilisis meri kaxa kalaZe iqne-ba. am mosazrebas iziarebT?_ saerTod, ajanyebis drospatrons yvelaze sastikad monebiuswordebian xolme! am gaqsuebulmadeputatebma, mTavrobiswevrebma da Sua rgolis warmomadgenlebmafuli iSoves. axlaki xelisuflebis mimarT sazogadoebisdamokidebulebas met-naklebadgrZnoben da imasac xvdebian,xalxs maTi da maTi sanaTesavosmisamarTiT ra dedis tiriliaqvs atexili.amasTan, saerTaSoriso koniunqturasacgrZnoben da amitom,Tavis gadarCenis mizniT, Sesa-Zloa, TavianTi patroni saku-Tari xeliT daklan. SurisZiebisdros monebi yvelaze sastikniarian, raTa momavalSi rogormeTavi gadairCinon!mokled, ivaniSvili grZnobs,rom Sida safrTxe mxolodkalaZisgan ki ara, sxva figurebisganacmodis! amitom Seecdeba,rom vertikali gaamyaros dapremieris posti daikavos._ e. i., gapremierebiT ivaniS-vili „qocebis”, ase vTqvaT,gulismosagebad Sida buntisCaxSobas Seecdeba?_ aba, meored mobruneba kiara, ivaniSvilma monarqis gvirgvinicrom daidgas, mis mimarTsazogadoebis damokidebulebaar Seicvleba _ xalxi mas iseicnobs, rogorc TaRliTs, gadamgdebs,qveynis damaqcevarsa dasaxelmwifos CamomSlels! aqedangamomdinare, ra statusic undahqondes, veravis guls veRarmoigebs! am maxinji saxelisuflebosistemis saTaveSi formaluradmxolod imitommoeqceva, rom Sida gadatrialebismsxverpli ar gaxdes!_ sxvaTa Soris, „endiais”bolo gamokiTxvamac naTelyo,rom ivaniSvils Warbi ndobaaRar aqvs. ise, batono giorgi,albaT, imasac miaqcieT yura-dReba, rom politikur meoredmosvlamde uwmindesma meoredmosvlaze iqadaga da ganacxada,apokalifsamde SesaZloa, ram-denime dReRaa darCenilio._ patriarqma Tavis qadagebas,albaT, ufro politikuri
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`seqend hendi~`xalxis suverenuli uflebaa, rom damoukidebeli saxelmwifo hqondes daiseTi daqiravebuli xelisufleba hyavdes, romelsac airCevs! Tu vinmeSeecdeba, rom es suverenuli ufleba waarTvas, maSin xalxisgan umZimesrisxvas daimsaxurebs!~datvirTva misca, radgan saxarebaSimacxovari ambobs, meoredmosvlis Sesaxeb mxolod mamaRmerTma icis da sxvam aravino.amitom patriarqi meored mosvlaSi,rogorc Cans, samefo karisgadatrialebebs gulisxmobda!_ giorgi batono, aT wuTzemetia, vsaubrobT da maxvilsivaniSvilze svamT. arada, im sia-Si, romelsac mediam „Savi sia”uwoda, opoziciam ivaniSvili arSeiyvana. ratom?_ es sia „Savi” ar aris._ aba, ra feria, anu rogorhqvia?_ es „sanqcirebulTa siaa”,romelsac metaforulad, Sei-Zleba, 20 ivnisis sia vuwodoT.„Savi sia” Jurnalistebma arasworadaitaces, Semdeg ki saxelisufleboruporebma gamoiyenes,raTa am siasTan Savbneli mogonebebidaekavSirebinaT._ Savi Tu sanqcirebulTa,amas mniSvneloba ar aqvs. mTavariisaa, rom am siaSi opozi-ciam arc ivaniSvili Seiyvana,arc _ gaxaria da arc _ sxvaromelime gavleniani Tanamde-bobis piri. amixeniT, ratom?_ am sias absoluturad sxvadatvirTva aqvs._ mainc, ra „sxva datvirTva”?_ 25 welze metia, politikurJurnalistikaSi trialebT daanalizis gakeTeba yvelazeukeTesad SegiZliaT._ madloba komplimentisTvis,magram Tu SeiZleba, kiTxvazemipasuxeT: zemoxsenebul siaSiivaniSvili, gaxaria da Tanamde-bobis sxva gavleniani pirebiratom ar SeiyvaneT?_ am siis mizani im sajaro CinovnikebiswarmoCenaa, romlebicukanono davalebebs asrulebenda kanonis moTxovnebiT ki ara,dakveTebze muSaoben! aseTi sajaromoxeleebi mosamarTleebi,policiisa Tu administraciisTanamSromlebi da „zonderebi”arian. siis mizania, am adamianebissaxe sazogadoebas kargad gavacnoT,anu TiToeul maTgansdiskomforti Seeqmnas da icodes,rom misi pasuxismgeblobissakiTxi aucileblad dadgeba.amasTan, saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobamam siaSi Seyvanil adamianebzegarkveuli SezRudvebiunda daawesos.sxvaTa Soris, magnitskis sia-Si putini ar SeuyvaniaT, miuxedavadimisa, rom yvelam Zaliankargad icis, ruseTSi politikurprocesebs putini warmar-Tavs! rac Seexeba ivaniSvils, misisakiTxi mravali welia, dayenebuliada amis Sesaxeb sazogadoebamacicis._ ivaniSvilis sakiTxi sadaadayenebuli?_ Salva naTelaSvilma ivaniSvilissakiTxi aSS-is senatsa dakongresSi daayena da misi dosieaSS-is finansTa saministros SesabamisdepartamentSic devs._ mere, amiT ra icvleba?_ amaze reagireba kritikulsituaciaSi moxdeba. saerTod,Cven gvinda, rom es sia qmediTiiyos. masSi ivaniSvili da gaxariarom SeviyvanoT da maTze sanqciebidawesdes, es imis niSaniiqneba, rom dasavleTma saqarTvelosTandiplomatiuri urTierTobaSewyvitos!_ Tqvens msjelobaSi logika,N1 (303) 21.1-27.1.2020 w.cxadia, aris, magram sanqcire-bulTa siaSi, magaliTad, SoTaZeratom ar SeiyvaneT, romelsacsajaro Tanamdeboba, meoredmosvlis survilis miuxedavad,jerac ar ukavia?_ weRan SemTxveviT ar vTqvi,20 ivnisis sia-meTqi, anu Cven aqcenti20 ivnissa da mis SemdegganviTarebul movlenebze gavakeTeT.es sia muSavdeba da naxavT,masSi vinaa Seyvanili da Ti-Toeuli maTgani 20 ivnisTanrogor aris dakavSirebuli._ aTvlis wertilad 20 ivnisiratom aiReT?_ 20 ivniss reJimi yvelazesastikad moiqca _ mSvidobianimomitingeebis, anu im adamianebissisxli daRvara, romlebmacokupacia gaaprotestes! Tu mTavarprokurorad meored daniSvnisSemdeg SoTaZe am kurssgaagrZelebs, am siaSi, bunebrivia,isic aRmoCndeba!_ sanqcirebulTa siaSi,rogorc yuri movkari, sakreb-ulos usafrTxoebis samsaxurisufrosi, suliko kedelaSviliSeiyvaneT. 20 ivnisis movleneb-`Cven gvinda, rom es sia qmediTi iyos. masSiivaniSvili da gaxaria rom SeviyvanoT damaTze sanqciebi dawesdes, es imis niSani iqneba,rom dasavleTma saqarTvelosTandiplomatiuri urTierToba Sewyvitos!~Si am adamianis brali ikveTeba?_ xom giTxariT, rom siis Sedgenisasaqcenti 20 ivnissa da misSemdeg ganviTarebul movlenebzegavakeTeT. suliko kedelaSviliki, romelic sakrebulos usafrTxoebissamsaxuris xelmZRvaneliada gansakuTrebuli agresiiTgamoirCeva _ Tavis uflebamosilebasscildeba da amsiaSic swored amitomaa Seyvanili!_ es sia opoziciaSi bzarsxom ar Seitans, miT umetes, romsiis SedgenaSi „kanoni da samar-Tali” ar monawileobs?_ aranairi bzari! rac Seexeba„kanonsa da samarTals”, imedimaqvs, rom qalbatoni Tako amasRrmad gaaanalizebs da Sesabamisdaskvnebsac gamoitans! giTxariTda kidev erTel gavimeoreb: Cvenimizani oligarqiuli reJimisdamarcxebaa da gvinda, rom yvelaferies arCevnebis gziTmoxdes. siis Sedgena Cveni TviTmizaniar aris. ase rom iyos, yvelasSeviyvandiT _ ivaniSvilidandawyebuli, gaxariaTi damTavrebulida bednierebi viqnebodiT,magram am siis datvirTva absoluturadsxva ramea._ simarTle giTxraT, ver gav-ige, es „sxva rame” ra aris?_ saSualo rgolebi, romlebicukanono davalebebs asruleben,kanonis moTxovnebsscdebian da mSvidobiani moqalaqeebisaTu politikosebiswinaaRmdeg uxeS Zalas iyeneben.isini unda warmoCindnen damaTze sanqciebi ganxorcieldes,Torem Tu umaRlesi Tanamdebobispirebs SeviyvanT, maSin es siaam etapze araqmediTi gaxdeba.geTanxmebiT, rom yvela ubedurebissaTave ivaniSvilia, gaxaria,farcxalaZe, TadumaZe TukalaZe ki misi msaxvrali xelia,magram yvelafer amis damarcxebaam siiT ki ara, opoziciisqmediTi nabijebiT unda moxdes.es sia, ubralod, prevenciaa._ keTili, magram ar mgonia,rom am siis gamo romelime„qoci” SeSindes da ukanonodavalebebis Sesrulebaze uariganacxados. kidev erT Temasunda Sevexo, batono giorgi,romelic opoziciis poziciebsar amyarebs, anu mxedvelobaSimaqvs mamuka xazaraZis „lelo”.yvelam kargad viciT, rom jerkidev weliwad-naxevris win xaz-araZe mosaxleobas mouwodebda,saprezidento arCevnebis meoreturSi salome zurabiSvil-isTvis daeWira mxari. axla ki„lelos” damfuZnebeli erT-erTi yvelaze pirgamexebuliopozicioneria, Tumca sazogadoebisabsolutur umravleso-bas misi gulwrfelobis arsjera. mokled, xazaraZe da misnairebiopoziciis imijs dar-tymas xom ar ayeneben?_ Tavisi poziciis nayofs xazaraZeaxla sasamarTloSi krefs,anu man sakuTari Tavi daazarala._ e. i., SeiZleba CavTvaloT,rom sistemis SeqmnaSi xazaraZem-ac dado aguri, ara?_ opozicias erTmaneTze mzeda mTvare ar amogvdis._ anu?_ bevr rameze Cven gansxvavebuliSexeduleba gvaqvs, magramopozicia erT magidasTan imitomdajda, rom proporciularCevnebs mivaRwioT. proporciularCevnebze ivaniSvilma mxolodmTeli eri ki ara, mTeli saerTaSorisosazogadoeba „gadaagdo”.proporciuli arCevnebi erTiZalis mier xelisuflebis uzurpaciasgamoricxavs. hoda, xalxmaswored proporciuli arCevnebiTunda gadawyvitos, parlamentSiromeli politikuri ZalasWirdeba. ai, Cveni TanamSromloba,aqciebi da yvela is RonisZieba,romelsac opozicia axorcielebs,swored am mizans emsaxureba,Torem imas aravin ambobs,ariqa, erTmaneTze gadareulebivarT da samisdRemCio fic-vercxliTSeveduRabeTo. Cven, yvelas,gansxvavebuli politikuriplatforma, ideologia gvaqvsda saxelmwifos ganviTarebasacCveneulad vuyurebT! pirdapirgetyviT: oligarqia da msxvilibiznesi, romelic politikas ganagebs,piradad CemTvis, miuRebelia._ damisabuTeT, ratom?_ oligarqiam da msxvilma biznesmapolitika SeiZleba, saku-Tari miznebisTvis gamoiyenos daamis naTeli magaliTi ivaniSvilia._ ivaniSvils ver gautoldeba,magram oligarqis simptomebixazaraZesac aqvs. hoda, mis-aRebi ratom aris?_ axla Cveni saxelmwifo ise-Ti didi safrTxis winaSe dgas,rom yvelaferi es droebiT gverdiTaagaweuli da konkretulsakiTxebze vTanamSromlobT!aqamde Cven Soris mZime dapirispirebebicarsebobda, magramvimeoreb: dRes Cveni qveynis yofna-aryofnissakiTxi dgas daswored aqedan gamomdinare vTanamSromlobT!_ vnaxoT, es TanamSromlobarogor damTavrdeba.ise, batono giorgi, gaqvTimedi, rom opozicia xelisuflebasaiZulebs, rom demokratiulida samarTliani arCevne-bi Caataros?_ swori formulireba moaxdineT_ diax, Cveni mizani demokratiuli,samarTliani da mSvidobianiarCevnebia, romliTacarsebuli oligarqiuli sistemisdemontaJi unda moxdes! axaliwlis dReebi miilia da isev aqtiurqmedebebze gadavalT, radganxelisufleba iZulebis re-JimSi movaqcioT da proporciularCevnebze wamoviyvanoT_ hoda, kiTxvaze mipasuxeT:ra garantia gaqvT, rom „ocneba”proporciul arCevnebze wa-mova?_ Tu ar wamova, ufro diddartymas miiRebs._ anu?_ Tu xelisufleba arCevnebisgayalbebis gzas daadgeba da ZalauflebisSenarCunebas ase Seecdeba,maSin protestis ufromZlavr talRas miiRebs!xalxis suverenuli uflebaa,rom damoukidebeli saxelmwifohqondes da iseTi daqiravebulixelisufleba hyavdes, romelsacairCevs! Tu vinme Seecdeba, romes suverenuli ufleba waarTvas,maSin xalxisgan umZimes risxvasdaimsxurebs!27
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