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araformaluri mmarTvelis,
vladimir plaxatniukis beds
uwinaswarmetyvelebs.
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biznesis mflobeli iyo. sruliad
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vladimer plaxotniuki saxelmwifos
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mmarTvelma qveyana datova,
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gaiziarebs Tu ara plaxatniukis
beds ivaniSvili? aqvs Tu ara
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amocana am proeqtis
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kontrolis aRdgena, gamomdinare
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Sansi rCeba, rom TviTon
biZina ivaniSvilma an masTan afilirebulma
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proeqtis aqtivizacia, Tumca es
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rac xdeba. ziani ukve na-
Telia, es ziani ra masStabis iqneba
da ra saxes miiRebs, amaze gadawyvetileba,
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arsebobs, amitom unda davelodoT
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xom ar emsaxureba?
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sakuTari Zalauflebis gamyarebaze
fiqrobs da am proeqts Zalauflebis
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am did geopolitikur
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aseve ruseTis mimarTulebiT, am
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is, rom ukve xelisufleba Camoyalibebuli
iyos da rusuli interesebidan
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_ ase ar vfiqrob. ar
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ase cudad iyos saqme.
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es ricxvebi, rac am organizaciam
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Tavisi reitingis gasaumjobese-
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da es bunebrivic aris, radgan
qveyanaSi Zalian bevri problemaa
dagrovili, praqtkulad, yvela
mimarTulebiT, rogorc socialur-ekonomikuri,
aseve Sida da sagareo
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arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT, anu
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romelic Zalian ar moswons
xelisuflebas da TviTon mudmivad
sisxlian 9 welze saubrobs,
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arCevnebis SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba,
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mniSvnelovani komponenti da am
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gansakuTrebiT daaziana da, Sesabamisad,
aseTi mocemuloba gvaqvs
_ mas Zalian maRali antireitingi
aqvs da miuxedavad imisa, rom
ivaniSvilis, rogorc Zalis centrs,
yvela aRiarebs, mis mimarT
pozitiuri damokidebuleba kritikulad
dabalia. es viTardeba
im fonze, rodesac dasavleTidan
Zalian SemaSfoTebeli signalebi
modis, Tu ase gagrZelda, man Sei-
Zleba yovelgvari legitimacia
dakargos dasavleTis TvalSi. es
xdeba im dros, rodesac sul male
arCevnebi unda Catardes, ramac
SeiZleba, wiTeli xaziviT gaiaros
mis momaval perspeqtivaze.
_ opozicia biZina ivaniSvils
moldoveli oligarqis beds uwi-
naswarmetyvelebs. moldovaSi
gasul wels oligarqia daemxo
da araformaluri mmarTveli
plaxatniuki qveynidan gaiqca. is
aSS-m Sav siaSi Seiyvana. aqvs Tu
ara ivaniSvils Sansi, rom igive
bedi ar gaiziaros da amisTvis ra
nabijebi unda gadadgas man?
_ mas aqvs Sansebi. amaze ukve 3
welia, vsaubrob. imisTvis, rom
saxelmwifoebrivad sworad wavides
procesi da mas politikuri
gadarCenis Sansebi mieces, sami
nabiji unda gadadgas. Sors var
im azrisgan, rom plaxatniukis
precedentis pirdapir analogiaze
visaubro, magram aSS-s mxridan
plaxatniukisTvis sanqciebis
dawesebis formulireba ase
JRerda: mas dauweses sanqciebi,
radgan misi korufciuli moRvaweoba
azianebda moldovaSi
demokratiul institutebs. gamomdinare
iqidan, rom amerikuli
politikuri elita precedentuli
azrovnebisaa, anu Tu Seiqmna
precedenti da mere viRacam
daumtkica, rom garkveuli analogiebi
arsebobs, isini am precedents
didi ganxilvebis gareSe
iyeneben analogiuri SemTxveveb-
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