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abaSiZes saidumlod Sexvda~
bilurobaze uaryofiT gavlenas
axdens. amas dasavleTSi Zalian
cudad aRiqvamen.
xalxs mobezrda aseTi yofa.
xalxi ambobs, gvirCevnia, movides
stabiluri xelisufleba, romelic
4 wlis manZilze stabilurad
SeZlebs qveynis marTvas. 4
wlis Tavze konkurentuli wesiT
an darCes xelisuflebaSi, an
im ZaliT Seicvalos, romelic
masze ueTesi iqneba. jer arCevnebamde
Soria da saakaSvilma
ukve daamarcxa ivaniSvili. imitom
borgavs es ukanaskneli. „endiais”
bolo reitingebs Tu daakvirdebiT,
„ocnebis” lideri bevrad
CamorCeba mesame prezidents.
mas uswrebs is kaci, romelic
skaipiT ekontaqteba Tavis
partiasa da xalxs. simarTle Tu
gindaT, es ar mixaria. es qveynisTvis
kargi ar aris.
_ ratom ar gixariaT?
_ saxelmwifosTvis cudia,
roca qveynis mmarTvels reitingSi
ugebs is kaci, romelic
2013 wlis niembridan saqarTveloSi
aRar yofila. merCivna, ivaniSvils
moego, magram miSam ajoba.
simaRliT da nabijebSi ki ar
ajoba, aramed daamarcxa tempSi,
ganviTarebaSi, qveynisTvis perspeqtivis
SeqmnaSi, siRaribis da-
ZlevaSi, politikur reformebsa
da kidev bevr rmeSi. sabednierod,
saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs
es yvelaferi axsovT da amitomac
damarcxda ivaniSvili arCevnebamde.
_ saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs
2007 wlis 7 noemberi da 2011
wlis 26 maisic axsovT.
_ Zalian kargia, rom axsovT
da es arc arasdros unda
dagvaviwydes. es TariRebi arc
mixeil saakaSvils unda davaviwyoT,
yovelTvis unda SevaxsenoT.
amave dros, arc 2019 wlis 20
ivnisi unda daviviwyoT. „qarTuli
ocneba” am dRes damTavrda.
arc girgvliani unda daviviwyoT,
magram roca mas gavixsenebT,
iqve unda vaxsenoT, rogor moikla
policiis ganyofilebidan
gamosulma 15 wlis mozardma
Tavi. gardacvalebebSi ki ar unda
vejibroT erTmaneTs, aramed
imaSi, qveynisTvis vin gaakeTa
ukeTesi.
Cvens xalxs axsovs, rogor
gamovZveriT wlebis winaT Cabnelebuli
da Casvrili qveynidan:
qurduli samyarodan gamovediT,
korufcia damarcxda, ganviTarebis
tempi Zalian maRali iyo,
saerTaSoriso sazogadoebam
gvcno, uamravi ucxouri investicia
Semovida, brendebi aSenda
saqarTveloSi, qarTvelebs axsovT
rabaTi, mestia, siRnaRi...
kargi gvaxsovs, magram mxolod
warsuliT ar unda vicxovroT.
win unda gavixedoT da momavalze
vifiqroT. momavali cvlilebebsa
da opoziciaSia. amayad
SemiZlia vTqva, rom uaxloes
momavalSi didi politikuri reformebis
momswre gavxdebiT.
erTi didi garRveva dagvWirdeba
da 5 weliwadSi aRmosavleT
`utyuari informacia maqvs, rom 1992-1993 wlebSi ivaniSvili Carteruli reisiT
ruseTidan orjer Camofrinda baTumSi da orjer Sexvda aslan abaSiZes. es
aslan abaSiZis zeobis xana gaxlavT. Cven maSin misi opozicia viyaviT da mas or
rames vedavebodoT: es iyo didZali narkotikisa da didZali iaraRis Semotana
aWaraSi. erTic da meorec man ruseTidan Semoitana. narkotikebi da iaraRi
aslan abaSiZem Tavis mxardamWerebs dauriga~
N1 (303) 21.1-27.1.2020 w.
evropis qveynebs ekonomikaSi unda
davewioT. saqarTvelos amis
perspeqtiva aqvs. saqarTvelos
mosaxleoba imsaxurebs kargad
cxovrebas.
_ Tqven „ocnebis” erT-erTi
lideri iyaviT. iciT maTi Sida
samzareulo da maTzec gkiTxavT
raRacebs. ukan rom abruneben
wasul Cinosnebs, es ras niSnavs?
xalxi ar hyavs ivaniSvils?
_ am mobrunebis serias Tvals
vadevneb da roca vxedav, rom
igive saxeebi brundebian ukan,
aWaris regionis mmarTveli aslan
abaSiZe maxsendeba. mas hqonda
mmarTvelobis aseTi stili.
viRacas jer daawinaurebda, mere
gaagdebda, mere daabrunebda da
kidev ufro daawinaurebda.
ivaniSvili aslan abaSiZis prototipia.
isini TiTqmis arafriT
gansxvavdebian erTmaneTisgan
ar varga es sistema, ara! Cveni
amocanaa stabiluroba da ganvi-
Tareba. aba, ase sad gagonila? _
gayara adamianebi da axla zogi
daabruna, zogis dabrunebas momavalSi
apirebs. isic ki ar viciT,
ratom gauSva wina premierebi.
ivaniSvilis msgavsi adamianebi
politikas ver Seqmnian. politika
imaT unda Seqmnan, visac
saxelmwifoze ufiqria. arc is
esmiT, ra aris konkurencia. ase
rom, maTgan araferi gamova. maTi
ambavi naklebad mainteresebs, samwuxaro
isaa, rom es yvelaferi
qveyanaze uaryofiTad aisaxeba.
_ es pirveli SemTxveva araa,
roca Tqven aslan abaSiZes Sead-
areT ivaniSvili. erTxel isic ki
TqviT, rom ivaniSvili abaSiZe-
saviT daamTavrebso.
_ am mesijs mas yoveli aqciidan
vugzavni. am interviudanac
veubnebi, rom aslan abaSiZesaviT
daamTavrebs, Tu gons ar moegeba.
ar ifiqroT, rom is televizors
ar uyurebs an gazeTebs ar
kiTxulobs, an imas, rac socialur
qselSi iwereba, kiTxulobs,
Tan Zalian aqtiurad. is sakuTar
Tavze raRac miTebs igonebs.
amiT unda, sazogadoebas aCvenos,
rom raRac gansakuTrebulia.
`am mobrunebis serias Tvals vadevneb da roca
vxedav, rom igive saxeebi brundebian ukan,
aWaris regionis mmarTveli aslan abaSiZe
maxsendeba. mas hqonda mmarTvelobis aseTi
stili. viRacas jer daawinaurebda, mere
gaagdebda, mere daabrunebda da kidev ufro
daawinaurebda. ivaniSvili aslan abaSiZis
prototipia. isini TiTqmis arafriT
gansxvavdebian erTmaneTisgan
ar varga es sistema, ara!~
arada, ar aris gansakuTrebuli,
erTi Cveulebrivi adamiania. is
Cvengan mxolod erTi ramiT gansxvavdeba,
_ mas aqvs meti fuli.
sxva mxriv arc codniT sjobs
vinmes, arc _ gamocdilebiT, arc
awmyoTi da arc warsuliT. sxva-
Ta Soris, arc 10 saaTze iZinebs.
esec mogonili ambavia, rom mis
gansakuTrebulobaSi davrwmundeT.
piradad me masTan Ramis
pirvel saaTze araerTxel misaubria
da ranairad iZinebs 10
saaTze, ar vici?
SeuZlia, 9 saaTzec daiZinos,
es misi saqmea, mTavaria, qveyana
ar daazaralos. dRes mas sami
arCevani aqvs da maszea damokidebuli,
romel gzas daadgeba:
erTi aris SevardnaZis gza, roca
is arCevnebis gayalbebis gamo
revoluciuri gziT gavagdeT;
meore aris saakaSvilis gza,
romelmac damarcxeba aRiara.
roca mkiTxeT, ranairad gabedeT
sakuTar Tavze gadabijeba da
saakaSvilTan Sexvedrao, es gavakeTe
imitom, rom 2012 wlis pirvel
oqtombers man damarcxeba
aRiara da „qarTul ocnebas” gamarjveba
miuloca. es wingadadgmuli
nabijia. es kargia saqarTvelos
ganviTarebisTvis da
Tavad saakaSvilisTvisac kargi
aRmoCnda. ivaniSvilsac SeuZlia
ase moqceva. aris mesame gza, romelsac
aslanis gza hqvia _ roca
is saerTod gavagdeT saqarTvelodan,
is aq dRemde ver Camodis
da aris mSobliur ruseTSi.
biZinasac SeiZleba mouwios
aslanTan erTad ruseTSi wasvla.
mas aseve SeuZlia, xelSi aiRos
iaraRi da qarTvel moqalaqes
gamoedevnos. es aravis gasvlia
da arc mas gauva.
TbilisSi rusTavelis gamzirze
gamosul saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs
verc erTi xelisufali
ver ugebs. mniSvneloba ar
aqvs, rusTavelze erTi kaci gamova,
asi Tu aTasi. isini cvlilebas
iTxoven. cvlilebebis winaa-
Rmdeg wasvla ki xelisuflebas
ar SeuZlia. es bunebis kanonia.
ra gzac ar unda airCios ivaniSvilma,
cvlileba gardauvalia.
_ Tqveni azriT, ra gzas
airCevs ivaniSvili?
_ minda, rom mixeil saakaSvilis
gza airCios. es qveynisTvisac
kargi iqneba da _ misTvisac.
rasac vuyureb, eWvic ki aRar
mepareba, rom is abaSiZis gzas
uaxlovdeba. rac dro gadis, ama-
Si sul ufro vrwmundebi. yvelaferSi
aWaris yofil liders
emsgavseba. ise emsgavseba, rom
politikur karierasac misnairad
daasrulebs.
_ ivaniSvili da abaSiZe erT-
maneTs icnoben?
_ icnoben. utyuari informacia
maqvs, rom 1992-1993 wlebSi
ivaniSvili Carteruli reisiT
ruseTidan orjer Camofrinda
baTumSi da orjer Sexvda aslan
abaSiZes. es aslan abaSiZis zeobis
xana gaxlavT. Cven maSin misi
opozicia viyaviT da mas or
rames vedavebodoT: es iyo
didZali narkotikisa da didZali
iaraRis Semotana aWaraSi.
erTic da meorec man ruseTidan
Semoitana. narkotikebi da iara-
Ri aslan abaSiZem Tavis mxardam-
Werebs dauriga.
Tqven mkiTxeT, icnoben Tu ara
isini erTmaneTso. vimeoreb: rac
me vici, orjer Sexvdnen erTmaneTs
da bunebrivia, icnoben.
_ im wlebSi ratom Sexvda
abaSiZes ivaniSvili?
_ Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom
ivaniSvili baTumSi Carteruli
reisiT Camofrinda, SegviZlia
vTqvaT, rom raRac mniSvnelovan
Temebze iyo saubari. im droisTvis
biZina ukve didi fulis
patronia; aslan abaSiZe ki saqarTvelos
centralur xelisuflebas
aWaris regionSi ar uSvebda.
ruseTidan Semotanili
didZali iaraRic amitom dauriga
Tavis momxreebs.
dazustebiT ar vici, raze isaubres
maSin ivaniSvilma da aba-
SiZem. araa gamoricxuli, es iaraRTan
dakavSirebuli garigeba
iyo. SeiZleba, narkotikebis Semotanasac
ukavSirdeboda. amaze
saubari Cemi mxridan Woraoba
iqneba. simarTle ivaniSvilma da
abaSiZem ician. sxvebsac ecodinebaT
da Tu daintereseba iqneba,
raRacebis garkveva SeiZleba.
biZinas orjer Camofrena baTum-
Si da aslanTan Sexvedra dokumenturadac
dadasturebulia.
ivaniSvilisTvis rom abaSiZe
misabaZia, es aWaris yofili lideris
kadrebis dawinaurebiTac
gamoixateba. aWaris regionSi
Tanamdebobebze, ZiriTadad,
„aRorZinebis” yofili wevrebi
iniSnebian. axalgazrdebSi iseT
kadrebs arCeven, romlebsac mSoblebi
hyavdaT aRorZinebaSi. aSkarad
moswons „ocnebis” liders
aWaris yofili mmarTveli da ase
Tu gaagrZela, mouwevs masTan
erTad moskovSi yofna.
Zalian ar minda, rom ivaniSvilma
abaSiZis gza airCios. es
qveynis imijs azaralebs. araa
lamazi, roca qveynidan xelisufals
gaagdeb. saukeTeso gamosavali
arCevnebSi damarcxebis aRiarebaa.
es qveynis imijsac waadgeba
da _ ivaniSvilisasac.
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