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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com`xalxs, nawilobriv,„2019 wlis 20 ivniss biZina iva-giorgi abaSiZeniSvili wkipze iyo, kidev cotacda es reJimi daemxoboda”, _ esgancxadeba saqarTvelos mesame prezidentma, mixeil saakaS-vilma ramdenime dRis win „mTavar aqcentebSi” gaakeTa da aseveTqva, rom maSin opoziciam momenti xelidan gauSva.„Cemi azriT, momenti gaSvebuliqna. es ar iyo is, rom vinmes SeTqmulebahqonda. ubralod, TavisTavs Tavad amboxebda biZinaivaniSvili. Tavisi TavxedobiTmoaxdina xalxis reaqciis provocireba.axla mivxvdiT, rom ukandasaxevi gza aRar arsebobs, ukanniSnavs saqarTvelos ganadgurebas.dRes opozicia yvelafrisTvismzad aris. me piradadmzad var, Tavi Sevwiro bolomdeCemi sisxlis bolo wveTamde.wels saqarTvelodan ivaniSvilsgavacilebT. qarTveli xalxi gamogvyvebaukan, roca dainaxavs,rom liderebi bolomde wiravenTavs. Cven gvyavs liderebi, maTSoris, Tqven. nika meliam aCvenasaocari gambedaobis magaliTebi,igive Jorika ruruam aCvena esmagaliTi. Cven gvyavs xalxi, vincaCvenebs am magaliTebs”, ganacxadamixeil saakaSvilma.eqsprezidentis am xmaurianigancxadebis Seswavla Sinagan saqmeTasaministrom maSinve daiwyo.„erT-erTi mediasaSualebiseTerSi yofilma prezidentma,mixeil saakaSvilma, gaakeTa gancxadeba,romlis mixedviTac, „2019wlis 20 ivniss biZina ivaniSviliwkipze iyo. cotac da es reJimidaemxoboda. maSin, Cemi azriT,momenti gaSvebul iqna”. aRniSnuligancxadeba warmoadgens sakmarissafuZvels varaudisTvis,rom 2019 wlis 20 ivniss, mixeilsaakaSvilis uSualo monawileobiTada xelmZRvanelobiT, ganxorcieldasaxelmwifo xelisuflebisZaladobrivi gziT damxobisaSkara mcdeloba”, _ vkiTxulobTSss-s gancxadebaSi.aris Tu ara saakaSvilis gancxadebaimis mtkicebuleba, romgasuli wlis 20 ivniss opoziciaxelisuflebis damxobas gegmavda?_ am kiTxviT „qronika+”-maiuristsa da adamianis uflebaTadamcvel lia muxaSavrias mimar-Ta, romelic ganmartavs, rom Tumtkicebulebebis erToblioba ararsebobs, eqsprezidentis zemoxsenebuligancxadeba ar SeiZleba,xelisuflebis damxobis utyuarmtkicebulebad miviCnioT.amasTan, muxaSavrias garkveu-li kiTxvebi opoziciasTanacaqvs da am konteqstSi ambobs,rom adamianebi politikaSi qveyniski ara, sakuTari keTildReobisTvismodian, Tumca ufle-badamcveli imedovnebs, rom amrealobas axali Taoba Secvlis._ qalbatono lia, ramdenimedRis win saqarTvelos mesameprezidentma, mixeil saakaSvilma,„mTavari arxis” eTerSi ga-nacxada, 20 ivniss, „ocneba” damxobiszRvarze idgao, rasac mxolodmmarTveli partiis warmomadgenelTasagangebo brifin-gebi ki ar moyva, aramed, Sss-mgamoZiebac daiwyo. Tqveni,rogorc iuristis SefasebiT,arsebobs samarTlebrivi safuZveli,rom saakaSvilis zemoxsenebuligancxadeba aseTi aJio-taJis safuZveli gamxdariyo?_ aseTi seriozuli danaSauliswardgenisTvis mxolodsaakaSvilis gancxadeba sakmarisiaraa, miT ufro, im pirobebSi,roca am saqmeze dakavebulicaSkarad politikuri devnis msxverplia,Tumca Cveni prokuraturapolitikuri dakveTebisSesrulebas ukve ise mieCvia, romgamoZiebis kvalifikacia saer-Tod dakarga.mokled, aseTi tipis gamoZiebisTvissaakaSvilis gancxadebaSeiZleba, erT-erT arapirdapirmtkicebulebad CaiTvalos. sxva-Ta Soris, Cveni konstitucia ambobs,ar SeiZleba, adamiani gancxadebissafuZvelze pasuxisgebaSimieceso. aqedan gamomdinare,saakaSvilis gancxadeba, Tu Sesa-Zlo damxobas sxva mtkicebulebebiserTobliobac ar adasturebs,samarTlebrivad gamyarebuliver iqneba.ise, yvelas gvismenen dagviTvalTvaleben da Tu aqamdemasalebi ar hqondaT, axla kigamoZiebas saakaSvilis gancxadebamgaunaTa goneba, es cxadia,sakmarisi ar aris._ sxvaTa Soris, am saqmezeirakli oqruaSvili patimroba-Sia. brali nika meliasac aqvswayenebuli. Sesabamisad, saakaSvilisgancxadeba ar SeiZleba, dam-atebiT garemoebad CaiTvalos?_ 20 ivnisis saqmeze gamoZiebaisedac midioda, Tumca ar mgonia,rom aseTi seriozuli ganzraxulobisgansaxorcielebladmxolod sami adamiani iyos sakmarisi.minimum, damxobis gegmaccnobili unda gaxdes. erTi sityviT,xelisuflebis damxobaiolad dasadasturebeli araa,Tu, ra Tqma unda, ar gaviTvaliswinebT,rom saqme gvaqvssaqarTvelos prokuraturasTanda yvelaferi es politikuridakveTis nawilad gamoiyureba._ e. i., „ocneba”, tradiciulad,cdilobs, rom saakaSvilisgan„bua” Seqmnas da sazogadoe-ba SeaSinos?_ diax, swored asea._ qalbatono lia, yurSi mo-mxvda, weRan rom TqviT, yvelasgvismenen da gviTvalTvalebeno.masobrivi TvalTvalisa da mos-iyo, rac piruTvnelad Seasrula.axla ki, rogorc Cans, swored es„damsaxureba” ufasdeba, anu xelisuflebaroca isev krizisSiaRmoCnda, tradiciulad, karuselzemidis da SoTaZesac Zveladgilas imitom abrunebs, romsxva gamosavals ver xedavs!zogadad, „ocnebas” demokratiulimarTvis unari ar gaaCnia,rac axali kadrebis moZiebasa damaRal Tanamdebobebze Tavisufaliadamianebis daniSvnas gulisxmobs.SeSinebuli ivaniSvili damisi garemocva cdiloben, romxelisuflebaSi darCeniT saku-Tari biznesebi, monapovari da„monagari” gadaarCinon. amitommaTTis mTavaria, situaciaze kontroliSeinarCunon da aqedan gamomdinare,hgoniaT, Tu prokuraturasada, saerTod, ZalovanuwyebebSi sakuTari warmomadgenlebieyolebaT, es kontrolisseriozuli garantia iqneba, magramase ar aris._ ratom?_ imitom, rom „ocnebis” avtoritetiZalian Seryeulia!arCevnebi karsaa momdgari da Cavardnebi_ cxovrebis donisa dapirobebis gauareseba, finansursada ekonomikurze rom araferivTqvaT, politikuri krizisivinmes unda dabraldes. hoda,samTavrobo karuseli, romelzedaclaparakoben, swored amasemsaxureba, anu ivaniSvili gamovada ityvis, _ es xalxi ar gamomadgada amitomac Sevcvaleo.es martivi scenaria, romelicxelebis Sewmendis mcdeloba iqneba,Torem darwmunebuli var,Tavad Cemze metad arian informirebulni,sazogadoebam zurgirogor aqcia da maTgan kargsarafers moelis.simarTle giTxraT, sociologiurigamokvlevis Catareba armicdia, magram meeWveba, Cem gar-Semo vinme iyos, visac „ocneba”moswons da kidev unda, rom xelisuflebissaTaveSi ixilos!mokled, ar mgonia, rom es amliamuxaSavria:`yvelas gvismenen dagviTvalTvaleben,amitom satelefonosaubrebis drosmniSvnelovansarafers vambobT!~menis, ase vTqvaT, sindromi „na-cionalebis”mmarTvelobisdros arsebobda. axla ki, mgoni,pirveli xarT, vinc masobrivTvalTvalze daiwyeT saubari.amis safuZvliani argumentebigaqvT?_ diax, viTareba arc axlaSecvlila, anu ver mivaRwieT,rom im masalebis e. w. gasaRebi,romliTac faruli Canawerebiiqmneba, neitralur mxares hqondes.Sesabamisad, mosmena daTvalTvali kvlav xelisuflebisberketia, romelic kanoniTacganimtkica da romelsac, bunebrivia,iyenebs. am ambavs ise miveCvieT,rom satelefono saubrebisdros mniSvnelovans arafersvambobT. am konkretul SemTxvevaSic,rogorc Cans, satelefonosaubrebiT konkretuli dasaTanado mtkicebulebebi vermoagroves da raki saakaSvilma interviuSiis frazebi Tqva, hgoniaT,rom gamoZiebisTvis sakmarisia,magram ase ar aris!_ raki mTavari prokuraturavaxseneT, barem, SoTaZis „meoredmosvlasac” SevexoT, miT umetes,rom yofili mTavari prokurorismTavar prokurorad dabruneba,albaT, wlis erT-erTi skandaliiqneba. Tqveni azriT, „oc-nebas” SoTaZis dabruneba risT-vis unda awyobdes da, saerTod,iziarebT „qocebis” narativs,rom SoTaZe Rirseuli adamian-ia?_ ver getyviT, SoTaZem prokuraturazera Rirseuli kvalidatova. Tu Rirsebad gadadgomamiaCniaT, am niSnis gamo namdviladar unda dabrundes.saerTod, Tavis droze, SoTaZeimitom ki ar gadadga, rom profesiulmasindisma Seawuxa da amnabijis gadadgma politikurmaalRom ukarnaxa, aramed misigadadgoma ivaniSvilis dakveTa`aseTi tipis gamoZiebisTvis saakaSvilisgancxadeba SeiZleba, erT-erT arapirdapirmtkicebulebad CaiTvalos. sxvaTa Soris, Cvenikonstitucia ambobs, ar SeiZleba, adamianigancxadebis safuZvelze pasuxisgebaSi mieceso.aqedan gamomdinare, saakaSvilis gancxadeba, TuSesaZlo damxobas sxva mtkicebulebebiserTobliobac ar adasturebs, samarTlebrivadgamyarebuli ver iqneba~2424 N1 (303) 21.1-27.1.2020 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.comopoziciac atyuebs!~bavi kargad dasruldes._ ras elodebiT?_ arCevnebamde ramdenime Tvea,romelic, minimum, aseve ramdenimeskandals moitans, Tu movlenebikidev uaresad ar ganviTarda._ qalbatono lia, ratomggoniaT, rom arCevnebamde kidevaraerTi skandalis mowmenigavxdebiT?_ Secdomas Secdomaze uSveben,pasuxi ki aravis moeTxoveba.im sazogadoebaSi ki, romelicdemokratiul cxovrebas ukvemieCvia, aseTi raRacebi aravisgauva._ mainc, rogori „raRacebi”?_ magaliTad, is, rom gaxaria,imis nacvlad, cixeSi CaesvaT,daawinaures. aseTi nabijebi sazogadoebisbunebriv ukureaqciasiwvevs._ geTanxmebiT, magram sazoga-doebaSi bunebriv ukureaqcias,vfiqrob, opoziciis calkeulinabijebic iwvevs. ase, magaliTad,20 ivnisis Semdeg „antiocne-belebi” gaxarias samagaliToddasjas iTxovdnen, axla ki „SavsiaSic” ar Seiyvanes. sxvaTaSoris, opozicia amas Savs ki ara,20 ivnisis sanqcirebulTa siasuwodebs. pirdapir gkiTxavT:Tqveni dakvirvebiT es opozici-is Secdomaa Tu „ocnebasTan”faruli garigebis Sedegia, rombobola „meocnebeebi” siis miR-ma darCnen? sxvaTa Soris,opozicia magnitskis siiT ima-rTlebs Tavs, masSi putini ariyo Seyvanilio..._ roca gvWirdeba, ruseTTanparalelebs vavlebT. rocagvWirdeba, vambobT, CavexseniT daiqiT Tavis mibruneba aRar gvindao,magram iciT, ra meCveneba?_ ra?_ yvelafer amiT opoziciamsamomavlod, anu xelisuflebaSimosvlis SemTxvevaSi, „imuniteti”SeinarCunos da pasuxi araferzemoeTxovos. swored amitomacaa„Savi sia” „W” klasis da ara _ impirebiT dakompleqtebuli, romlebicSeqmnil viTarebaze pasuxismgeblebiarian.saerTod, rogorc xelisuflebaSi,aseve opoziciaSic, Cvenibedkruli saqarTvelos Svilebiarian, romlebic bolo wlebisganmavlobaSi sakmaod SeTamaSebuladcxovroben. es wlebi dididroa saimisod, rom „nacebsa” da„qocebs” Soris araformalurigarigeba araTu Semdgariyo,aramed mtkiced dabetonebuliyokidec.swored amitomac isini mesameZalis gamoCenasa da imasac, romqveynis mmarTvelad demokratiuliprincipebis gundi movides,yvelanairad xels uSlian. xelisuflebada opozicia yvelafersakeTebs, rom skamebis Sesanar-Cuneblad saarCevno kanonmdeblobamoirgon.mokled, opozicias hgonia,`rogorc xelisuflebaSi, aseve opoziciaSic, Cveni bedkruli saqarTvelosSvilebi arian, romlebic bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi sakmaodSeTamaSebulad cxovroben. es wlebi didi droa saimisod, rom `nacebsa~ da`qocebs~ Soris araformaluri garigeba araTu Semdgariyo, aramed mtkiceddabetonebuliyo kidec~rom momavalSi umravlesobaSi iqnebada „ocnebas” winaswar uTanxmdeba,Sens danaSaulebs ise,rogorc wesi da rigia, ar gamoviZiebda imaze, rasac momavalSiCaviden, pasuxi arc Sen momTxovoo.zogadad, politikaSi adamianebiimitom ki ar midian, romqveynis ukeTesi mowyoba da sazogadoebrivicxovrebis gaumjobesebaundaT, yovel SemTxvevaSi,maT, vinc axla politika-Si arian, piradi mdgomareobisgaumjobeseba da cota maRlaacoceba surT, radgan danarCenszemodan gadmoxedon!_ e. i., xalxs opoziciacatyuebs?_ nawilobriv, ra Tqma unda,atyuebs! aba, „nacionaluri mo-Zraoba” morals rom gvikiTxavsda adamianis fundamenturi uflebebisdarRvevaze niangis cremlebsRvris, axla amas ra hqvia?_ hoda, ai, aqedan gamom-dinare, ra garantia arsebobs,rom wlevandel arCevnebSi xe-lisufleba damarcxdeba, anusazogadoeba opoziciis mimarT-ac nihilisturadaa ganwyobili,rac, albaT, „ocnebis” wisqvilzeasxams wyals, ara?_ yvela logika, ra Tqma unda,aqeTken midis, magram yovelTvis,roca aseTi pesimisturi CixiswinaSe aRmovCndebi xolme, erTiaralogikuri argumenti maxsendeba._ kerZod?_ es qveyana RvTismSobliswilxvedria da bolo momentSimogvivlens viRacas, romelicgadagvarCens da gvixsnis!es, ra Tqma unda, mesianisturiidea araa, magram vfiqrob, rocayvela gaisigrZeganebs, marTlac,ra mZime situaciaSia qveyana, pasuxismgeblobasTiToeuli CenganiaiRebs da ityvis, aRar gvinda,mogvbezrda, yvelam Tavi dagvanebosda saqmes CveniT ise gavakeTebT,rogorc qveyanas sWirdebao.mokled, asea Tu ise, maincmgonia, rom aseTi gundisa dapolitikosebis gamovlenis perspeqtivajer kidev arsebobs!_ geTanxmebiT, rom pasuxismgeblobaTiToeulma Cvengan-`Cvenma axalgazrdobam, romelic usazRvrodmeamayeba da miyvars, Tqva, arsadac ar wavalda Cems samSobloSi Rirseulad vicxovrebo!amitom adga da quCaSi gamovida. mere ra, romtalaxi Seasxes da am axalgazrdebismisamarTiT Zalian bevri ugvani ram iTqva.Cven yvelam gulisgulSi viciT, ra gvinda~ma unda aviRoT, Torem mesiaivaniSvilic gvegona da, sab-olood, sadac mivediT, yvelanikaragd vxedavT!ise, zogi mesame Zalad mamukaxazaraZesa da mis „lelos” miiC-nevs. qalbatono lia, Tqven,rogorc uflebadamcveli, rasfiqrobT, xazaraZe, romelicarcTu Soreul warsulSi „ocnebis”mexotbe iyo, minimum, ad-amianis uflebebze undasaubrobdes?_ am kiTxvaze ase gipasuxebT:me mis gundSi ar var da amiT,mgoni, yvelaferi cxadia!_ Tu davakvirdebiT, yvelas,vinc „ocnebas” gaemijneba,opozicia sixaruliT uRebskars. mxolod xazaraZis ki ara,beselias SemTxvevaSic ase moxda.e. i., xval „ocnebas” ivaniS-vili rom gaemijnos, opoziciamSeiZleba, isic „Seifaros”, ara?_ diax da swored amitomacvambob, rom orive mxares am bedkrulisaqarTvelos Svilebi arian_ amoralurebi, orpirebi dauprincipoebi. rac xdeba, imaSigasakviri araferia! gasakvirisxva ramea._ mainc, ra?_ uzneoba ise gamefda, romzneobrioba dasacini gaxda! uprincipobacise gamefda, romprincipuloba umciresobaSia daaranormalur movlenad iTvleba!uprincipobis iseTi zeimia, romivaniSvils eqvTime TayaiSvilsacadareben! ai, es xom Ceni amoralobiskvintesenciaa!_ sxvaTa Soris, sanam ga-naTlebis axlandeli ministrieqvTimes Seadarebda, Tqvenmayofilma saqmianma partniorma,manana kobaxiZem, ivaniSvili Tanamedroveilia WavWavaZed gamo-acxada! hoda, am Tanamedroveiliasa Tu eqvTimes mxolodqarTuli sazogadoeba ki ara,saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobac„fexze kidia”. ai, am mocemulo-bidan gamomdinare, risi imediunda gvqondes, qalbatono lia?_ Tavis droze, galileo er-TaderTi iyo, visac sjeroda,rom dedamiwa sakuTari RerZisgarSemo brunavda._ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?_ imis Tqma minda, rom yvelaferigrovdeba, Tan ar dagaviwydeT,CvenTan demokratiulifaseulobebis damkvidreba xelisuflebisangariSze yvelazenaklebad aris. es Cven, anu imadamianebma movipoveT, romlebsacdasavluri Rirebulebebimogvewona da gadavwyviteT, romunda dagvemkvidrebina, raSic xelisuflebayovelTvis xelsgviSlida! yovel SemTxvevaSi, piradadme, ar magondeba, romromelime xelisuflebas uflebadamcvelebisaTu dasavluridemokratiuli RirebulebebismomxreebisTvis xeli Seewyos!diax, Cvens sazogadoebasmoTxovnileba aqvs, rom namdviladdemokratiul qveyanaSiicxovros!Cvenma axalgazrdobam, romelicusazRvrod meamayeba da miyvars,Tqva, arsadac ar waval daCems samSobloSi Rirseuladvicxovrebo! amitom adga da qu-CaSi gamovida. mere ra, rom talaxiSeasxes da am axalgazrdebismisamarTiT Zalian bevri ugvaniram iTqva. Cven yvelam gulisgul-Si viciT, ra gvinda._ ra gvinda?_ gvinda, rom iseT qveyanaSivicxovroT, sadac aravin dagvCagravs,sadac Cveni sakuTreba daculiiqneba da Tu vinme Cvensuflebebs daarRvevs, sasamarTlosada prokuraturas mivmar-ToT da es darRveuli uflebebiaRvidginoT. sxvaTa Soris, sasamarTloda prokuratura sworedamitom arsebobs!erTi sityviT, Rirseul cxovrebazesaqarTvelos erTi moqalaqecar ityvis uars! adamianisuflebebi ki am Rirseulicxovrebis mTavari atributia!gasagebia, rom viRacebs undaT,sazogadoebas tvini mouRriconda raRac sisuleleebSi daarwmunon,magram es xom ar Wris!_ ratom ggoniaT, rom arWris?_ Cven postsabWoTa sazogadoebiswarmomadgenlebi varT daviciT, ideologiis xrikebirogor da ranairad muSaobs!diax, Cven boTlidan ukve amovediTda ukan veRaravin Cagvabrunebs!ai, umTavresi sworedesaa. mokled, mimaCnia, rom am qveyanaSicvlilebebi Zalian ioladda swrafad SeiZleba. bolos dabolos, msoflioSi saqarTvelossididis qalaqebia, romlebsacmeria patronobs. Cven ki, xelisuflebsyvela Stos pirobebSi, cvlilebebirogor ver unda movaxerxoT?!vimeoreb: amis gakeTeba Zalianmartivad SeiZleba, Tu arCevnebisdRes TiToeuli Cvengani gaixsenebs,rom uRirsi adamianebiTavze ar unda davisvaT da arunda vaboginoT!N1 (303) 21.1-27.1.2020 w.25
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