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`dedaqalaqis meri opoziciasTan
dedaqalaqis meri kaxa kalaZe
Sorena marsagiSvili
aSkarad aWrilia da zrdilo-
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basTanac xSirad SeuTavsebloba
aqvs. boroti xmebi amboben, rom
kaxa kalaZe seriozuli problemis winaSe dgas da amitomac
aris gaRizianebuli. bolo dros mis saxels araerTi korufci-
uli skandali daukavSirda. „ocnebis” kuluarebSi amboben, rom
misi qmedebebi ukve biZina ivaniSvilsac uSlis nervebs. mTa-
vari meocnebe ki ufro imiT aris nervebdawiwknili, rom
eWvobs, _ kalaZem SeiZleba, damoukideblad TamaSi moindomos.
moZraoba „Secvales” erT-erTi damfuZnebeli da moni-
toringis centr „mediatoris” wevri, dimitri biZinaSvili,
wlebia, kaxa kalaZis saqmianobas swavlobs. amasobaSi misi xasiaTic
kargad Seiswavla. misi dakvirvebiT, kalaZe maSin gada-
dis uzrdelobaze, roca gundSi problemebi eqmneba.
dimitri biZinaSvili:
`ivaniSvilisTvis
zurgis Seqceva
indulgencia ar
unda iyos~
rodis iwyebs uzrdelobas
kaxa kalaZe? vin uwers mas xum-
robebs? ramdeni gvijdeba misi
„piarSikebis” Senaxva? ratom daiwyo
korufciaze saubari? marTla
agzavnis Tu ara opozicia-
sTan ivaniSvilis sawinaaRmdego
mesijebs? _ am Temebze dimitri
biZinaSvili „qronika+~-s -s es-
aubreba:
_ dedaqalaqis merma bolo
periodSi quCuri terminologi-
iT daiwyo saubari. Tqven, rog-
orc staJiani kalaZelogi, riT
xsniT amas, _ trendulia ase laparaki
Tu rame sxva ambavi imale-
ba aq?
_ dedaqalaqis meri oponentebisa
da Jurnalistebis mimarT
uxeSi mopyrobiT cdilobs gadafaros
is mtkivneuli Temebi,
romelic piradad mas awuxebs.
misTvis yvelaze mtkivneuli Tema
biujetia. roca korufciasTan
dakavSirebiT kiTxvebs usvamen,
mas aviwydeba, rom sajaro piria
da maSinve quCur terminologiaze
gadadis. mis karieras Tu
gadavxedavT, vnaxavT, rom uyvars
mas es quCuri laparaki. is xom
xelovnurad Seqmnili politikosia.
kargad Tu daakvirdebiT, naxavT,
rom xumrobebic ki winaswar
aqvs momzadebuli.
kalaZe da misi „piarSikebi” winaswar
yovelTvis ver gansazRvraven,
ra kiTxvebs dasvamen Jurnalistebi
da oponentebi. roca
maTTvis miuRebeli kiTxvebi ismeba,
Tbilisis meri imwamsve xdeba
uzrdeli da quCis biWi, sxva
SemTxvevaSi yvelaferi winaswar
aqvs dawerili da sxvebis dawerils
kiTxulobs. sakrebulos
erT-erT sxdomaze man dawerili
xumroba waikiTxa. asea kalaZis,
rogorc politikosis imiji Seqmnili.
_ dawerili xumroba waikiTx-
ao da amas xumrobiT ambobT?
_ ar vxumrob, sruli seriozulobiT
geubnebiT. sakrebuloSi
sityviT gamosvlisas dedaqalaqis
merma furcelze dawerili xumroba
waikiTxa, Tan arc ki Sercxva.
_ xumroba sxvam rogor unda
dagiweros? ar mesmis...
_ uweren da kalaZec xumrobs
Tavisi WkuiT. misTvis xumrobis
daweraze „piarSikebis” mTeli gundi
muSaobs. am adamianebis Senaxva
Cvens biujets ramdenime aTeuli
milioni lari ujdeba. mis „pi-
arSikebs” TveSi 5000 larze naklebi
xelfasi ar aqvT. es adamianebi
ki weren xumrobebs, magram
imis amocnoba ar SeuZliaT, sad
dausvamen mers korufciul garigebebze
kiTxvas. am dros Tavad
kalaZe iRebs iniciativas da
uzrdelobs. amiT Tavs icavs.
axla toebiT daiwyo laparaki.
amiT raRacis damtkiceba surs,
magram ra unda daamtkicos, roca
erTi Cveulebrivi provincielia.
ise ar gamigoT, rom amiT mis
samtrediul warmomavlobas
vaknineb, araviTar SemTxvevaSi!
samtredielobis kompleqsi Tavad
awuxebs. sul imis fiqrSia, rom
viRacas raRac daumtkicos. arada,
misgan aravin iTxovs, rom naRdi
Tbiliseli iyos. misgan iTxoven
mxolod dapirebebis Sesrulebas.
dapirebebis Sesruleba
ar surs da slengiT unda fons
gasvla.
_ slengiT saubari sxvebsac
gadaedoT. jerac isev premierma
gaxariam Jurnalistebs uTxra,
xom ar dagaspoilerebTo. gaxarias
raRa sWirs, egac rames amt-
kicebs?
_ ra sWirs da rac _ kalaZes.
danapirebs ver asruleben, Sav
dReSi arian da raRaciT xom unda
gavidnen fons? es adamianebi xom
realurad arafers warmoadgenen.
Tanamdebobebze ki sxedan, magram
yvelaferi isea, rogorc biZina
ivaniSvils unda. „qarTuli ocnebidan”
aravis aqvs reitingi. er-
TaderTi, visac raRac reitingi
aRmoaCnda „ocnebaSi”, es aris kaxa
kalaZe. is ukve meored dawinaurda
reitingebSi da aman ukve gamoiRo
Sedegi. rogorc ki kvlevis
Sedegebi gamoqveynda, kalaZes maSinve
Seeqmna problemebi. es problemebi
mas „qarTulma ocnebam”
Seuqmna, ra Tqma unda, ivaniSvilis
davalebiT.
_ ra problemebi Seuqmnes
kalaZes?
_ aqtiurad daiwyo saubari
korufciul garigebebze, sadac
kaxa kalaZec aris CarTuli. es
garigebebi marTlac arsebobs,
magram mxolod maSin gaaxsendaT,
roca Tbilisis merma sxvebze ma-
Rali reitingi dado.
_ Tqven korufciul garige-
bebSi kalaZis monawileobaze
araerTi kvleva gamoaqveyneT,
magram „ocnebas” amaze reaqcia
ar hqonia.
_ arada, am dros misi da misi
axloblebis saqmianobis Sesaxeb
Tavadve aqvT saqme aRZruli.
rogorc ki kalaZes raRac damatebiTi
pretenziebi da ambiciebi
uCndeba, es Temebi maSinve wina
planze wamoiwevs xolme. am Temebis
wamoweviT kalaZes afrTxileben,
rom Tu is ivaniSvils gadauxteba,
aucileblad daiwyeba mis
winaaRmdeg gamoZieba. gamosaZiebeli
ki Zalian bevria. Tbilisis
meri damoukideblad gasvlas Tu
gabedavs, isic cudad daamTavrebs
da _ misi garemocvac. isinic
yelamde arian Cafluli korufciaSi.
es adamianebi wurblebiviT
asxedan biujets.
_ roca mis garemocvas ax-
senebT, vin gulisxmobT?
_ bevrni arian. gansakuTrebiT
ivliane wulaias da beqa odiSarias
gamovyofdi. isini kalaZis
karze didi pativiT sargebloben
da marTla wurblebiviT asxedan
ara marto Tbiliselebis fuls,
aramed Tbiliselebis qonebasac.
yvelam vnaxeT rogor aCuqa
kalaZem 16 milionad Sefasebuli
miwa 2 milionad Tavis megobars.
_ Zalian „humanuri” meri hyavs
Tbiliss, ase ar gadasces milionad
Sefasebuli adgili ivaniS-
vils erT larad?
_ ratom ar gadascemdnen.
ivaniSvilma isini imitom dasva
postebze da imitom aZlevs fulis
Sovnis uflebas, rom yvela
misi axireba unda Seasrulon. vimeoreb:
sanam kalaZe „ocnebis”
liders win ar gadaurbens, manamde
SeuZlia fuli akeTos, amaSi
ivaniSvili problemas ver xedavs,
magram rogorc ki Tavis TamaSis
dawyebas Seecdeba, maSinve
aRuZraven saqmes. am saqmeebis nawili
ukve gamoZiebulia da isini
Taroebzea Semodebuli.
Tbilisis meri seriozulad
aris gafrTxilebuli, rogorc ki
ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg wasvlas
gabedavs, mis megobrebs daakaveben.
araa gamoricxuli, isic dai-
Wiron, Tumca es ukidures SemTxvevaSi
moxdeba. oligarqi Seecdeba,
rom rogorme daWeris gareSe
gaaneitralos Tbilisis meris ambiciebi,
romelic ise momZlavrda
finansurad, rom damoukideblad
surs moqmedeba.
_ mis dapatimrebas ratom ewi-
naaRmdegeba ivaniSvili?
_ imitom, rom bevr saqmeSi
arian Tanamonawileni.
_ ra saqmeebSi?
`erTaderTi, visac raRac reitingi
aRmoaCnda `ocnebaSi~, es aris kaxa kalaZe.
is ukve meored dawinaurda reitingebSi
da aman ukve gamoiRo Sedegi. rogorc ki
kvlevis Sedegebi gamoqveynda, kalaZes
maSinve Seeqmna problemebi. es problemebi
mas `qarTulma ocnebam~ Seuqmna, ra Tqma
unda, ivaniSvilis davalebiT~
_ Tundac fulis gaTeTrebis
sqemaSi. am sqemaSi erTad arian
oriveni. es saqme gaiSifra. kidev
bevri saerTo korufciuli sqema
eqnebaT amaT. amitom moerideba
„ocnebis” lideri mis daWeras,
misi megobrebi ki nebismier wuTs
SeiZleba gisosebs miRma aRmoCndnen.
rogorc ukve giTxariT,
Tbilisis meri amis Taobaze
gafrTxilebulia.
_ saidan iciT, rom gafrTx-
ilebulia? varaudia, Tu raime
informacias flobT?
_ Tavisi piriT gviTxra. amaze
iyo gabrazebuli da amitom
galanZRa Jurnalistebi. arada,
Jurnalistma misi gancxadebidan
gamomdinare dausva kiTxva.
Tbilisis merma sagangebo gancxadebaSi
aRiara, rom mis daqvemdebarebul
struqturebSi korufciaa.
man am struqturebs mimar-
Ta da mouwoda, korufcias SeeSviTo,
ar CaerToTo da a. S.
meriasa da kalaZis garSemo
rom korufcia yvavis, es ramdenjer
damtkicda. daakaves Tbilisis
sakrebulos deputati,
daakaves vakis raionis gamgeblis
moadgile. korufciasTan dakav-
SirebiT Tbilisis meris mier gakeTebuli
gancxadeba erTgvari
Tavis dacvis mcdelobaa. is darwmunebulia,
rom, adre Tu gvian,
korufciuli sqemebis gamo miadgebian.
es ki etyvis, me rogor
gavereodi korufciaSi, roca sxvebs
vafrTxilebdi, ase ar moqceuliyvneno.
minda, „qronika+”-is mkiTxvelma
icodes, rom Tbilisis meriis
mier gamocxadebuli yvela tenderi
korufciuli garigebaa, maT
Soris, is tenderi, milanidan rom
unda Camoitanos 13-aTasiani skamebi.
isic korufciuli sqemaa,
odiSarias qvislma ZviradRirebuli
nagvis urnebi rom unda Camoitanos
portugaliidan. korufciuli
garigebis naTeli magaliTi
iyo is „alvis xe”, romelic
merma didi ambiT italiidan
Camoitana da naZvis xed gaasaRa.
SeiZleba, es raRac xe marTla
trendulia, magram is milioni
namdvilad ar Rirs. kalaZe ki
gvarwmunebs, rom am xeSi milioni
gadaixada. „alvis xiT” amdeni
fulis gakeTeba ar ikmara da
evropidan sagangebod Camoiyvana
blogerebi, romlebmac daweres,
rom Turme ra magari da lamazi
naZvis xe dadga Tbilisis merma.
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