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premier-ministris postze~
`anaklias Savi zRvis usafrTxoebis sistemis formirebis saqmeSi SeeZlo da,
imedi maqvs, jer kidev SeuZlia, seriozuli rolis TamaSi. anakliis proeqtis
ganviTarebiT Cven geopolitikur funqcias vaZlierebT, rogorc
usafrTxoebis, aseve ekonomikuri TvalsazrisiT~
isTvis. aqedan gamomdinare, es
realuri xifaTis matarebelia,
magram iqidan gamomdinare, rom
plaxatniukis dacema daiwyo
arCevnebis Semdeg, vfiqrob,
ivaniSvils am wlis noembramde
aqvs dro, anu Tu mis winaaRmdeg
rame meqanizmebi CairTveba, es
iqneba arCevnebis Semdeg, manamde
mas aqvs, jer kidev, dro, rom yvelafris
garkveuli reformireba
moaxdinos, rom am formulirebis
qveS ar moxvdes. am formulirebis
SemTxvevaSi saubaria Semdegze:
1. demokratiuli institutebis
komprometacia: qveyana-
Si darRveulia instituciuri
wesrigi, anu Crdilovan avtoritarizmzea
saubaria, rodesac
qveyana instituciuri centrebidan
ar imarTeba. aseTi analogia
SeiZleba davinaxoT dRevandel
mmarTvelobaSi. mogexsenebaT,
rom TviTon ivaniSvili TiTqos
institucionalizebulia da am
dros aris gancda, rom is iRebs
yvela gadawyvetilebas, sazogadoebac
pasuxismgeblobas yvelaferze
mas akisrebs. Sesabamisad,
pirveli nabiji, rac man unda
gadadgas, aris is, rom aRadginos
instituciuri wesrigi. instituciuri
wesrigis aRdgena ki
erTaderTi gziT aris SesaZlebeli,
es gza martivia: is unda dabrundes
premier-ministris postze.
sxva gza, rom, magaliTad, is
saerTod wavides politikidan, ar
mgonia, qveynisTvis sasargeblo
iyos, _ biZina ivaniSvilis CamoSoreba
gadawyvetilebis miRebis
procesidan kidev ufro damazianebeli
iqneba, radgan vxedavT,
dRes vinc aris xelisuflebaSi da
am adamianebis xelSi Cemi mteri
Cavarda; 2. oqtombramde seriozuli
nabijebis gadadgma, igive
socialur-ekonomikuri kuTxiT,
rom gaWirvebuli adamianebis ukmayofileba
gadalaxos, _ es Seu-
Zlebelia, ivaniSvili amas ver gaakeTebs.
Tumca arsebobs nabijebi,
romelic mas SeuZlia swrafad
gadadgas da amiT, garkveulwilad,
imedis naperwkali gaaCinos
xalxSi. es nabiji aris seriozuli,
kargi gagebiT agresiuli,
antikorufciuli RonisZiebebis
gatareba. amis gakeTeba SeiZleba
swrafad da efeqtianad. am meore
nabijiT igi, garkveulwilad, reabilitacias
moaxdens qarTul sazogadoebaSi;
3. mesame nabiji ki,
rac mas am pompeos formulirebis
mTavari safrTxidan gamoiyvans,
es aris opoziciasTan saarCevno
sistemasTan dakavSirebiT
garkveuli konsensusis moZebna,
oqtomberSi arCevnebis demokratiulad
Catarebis garantireba,
sakuTari statusidan da politikuri
wonidan gamomdinare,
aseve Rirseuli, faqtobrivad,
uxinjo arCevnebis Catareba konkurentul
garemoSi. Tu is am sam
nabijs gadadgams, vfiqrob, mas
rCeba xelisuflebaSi darCenis
Teoriuli Sansi, welgamagrebul
da reabilitirebul biZinad. xelisuflebaSi
romc ver darCes, is
SeinarCunebs mTavars: keTildReobas,
pirad usafrTxoebas da
welgamarTuli gaagrZelebs moRvaweobas
an opoziciaSi Tu politikaSi
darCeba, an gaakeTebs imas,
rasac adre akeTebda. me visaubre
imaze, rac sworad mimaCnia da,
faqtobrivad, Tqveni gazeTis meSveobiT
vTavazob ivaniSvils. mgonia,
rom es aris saxelmwifoebrivad
swori nabijebi da piradad
misTvis, _ kargi. am SemTxvevaSi amovdivar
misi gulSematkivris
poziciidan. rodesac vambob, rom
gulSematkivari var, viRacebs
Zalian ukvirT, me ar var misi
politikuri gulSematkivari,
piriqiT, xSir SemTxvevaSi, CemTvis
kategoriulad miuRebelia, ra
politikasac is atarebs da me misi
mkacri oponenti var. rogorc
adamianTan da pirovnebasTan, mis
ojaxTan, bunebrivia, bevri rame
makavSirebs. mas, rogorc pirovnebas,
vgulSematkivrob, Sesabamisad,
vfiqrob, rom Cemi valia, mas
SevTavazo reabilitaciis programa;
miuxedavad imisa, rom is
politikurad absoluturad
ucxoa da masTan TanamSromlobis
perspeqtivas am etapze verc vxedav.
_ Tqven araerTxel gisaubri-
aT imaze, rom ivaniSvils gare-
mocvaSi iseTi adamianebi hyavs,
romlebic mxolod misTvis sasia-
movno informacias awvdian. am
etapze, ramdenad iazrebs is Se-
qmnil viTarebas da rogoria misi
premier-ministrad dabrunebis
Sansebi?
_ rac garedan Cans, iqidan gamomdinare,
vfiqrob, rom mas realoba
dakarguli aqvs. vambob
kidevac, rom mas saerTod ver
vcnob. rodesac erTad viyaviT, is
sul sxva azrovnebis adamiani iyo
da amden Secdomas namdvilad ar
uSvebda. dRes meCveneba, rom mas
garkveuli alternatiuli realoba
Seuqmnes da im alternatiul
realobaSi, garkveul politikur
bunkerSi acxovreben, sadac gaT-
`me visaubre imaze, rac sworad mimaCnia da,
faqtobrivad, Tqveni gazeTis meSveobiT
vTavazob ivaniSvils. mgonia, rom es aris
saxelmwifoebrivad swori nabijebi da piradad
misTvis, - kargi. am SemTxvevaSi amovdivar misi
gulSematkivris poziciidan~
iSulia yvela komunikaciis saSualeba
da raRac erTi, absoluturad
gaugebari arxidan miewodeba
informacia. adamiani gadawyvetilebebs
iRebs misTvis miwodebuli
informaciebis safuZvelze.
vfiqrob, misi informaciis
miRebis arxebi Zalian SezRudulia,
sterilizebulia. ver vityvi,
rom amas viRac garedan
ukeTebs, es misi arCevania, TviTon
arCia „cxovreba mSvenierias” vi-
TarebaSi operireba. aqedan gamomdinare,
is adamianebi, vinc mis
irgvliv arian, mis am survils,
rom yvelaferi kargad aris, SesaniSnavad
aRiqvamen da garkveuli
gamaZliereblis rols Tama-
Soben. mgonia, rom aseTi viTarebaa,
Tumca ar gamovricxav, rom es
yvelaferi Seicvalos, radgan bi-
Zina ivaniSvili Zalian kargi taqtikosia
da namdvilad aqvs am vi-
Tarebidan gamoZromis potenciali.
zustad amitom vTavazob mas
raRacebs da vcdilob, es kedeli
raRacnairad gavarRvio da mcire
eWvis marcvali mainc Cavagdo mis
aRqmaSi, rom mTlad ise kargad ar
aris yvelaferi, rogorc misi
garemocva eubneba bolo dromde.
_ NDI-is kvlevebs davubrun-
deT: xval rom saparlamento
arCevnebi tardebodes, „qarTul
ocnebas” 20%, „erTian nacionalur
moZraobas” _ 13%, „evrop-
ul saqarTvelo _ Tavisufal
demokratebs” 8% miscemda xmas,
anu kvlevebis mixedviT jamurad
opozicias imaze meti adamiani
uWers mxars, vidre „qarTul
ocnebas”. ras gveubneba es ricx-
vebi da am monacemebis mixedviT
SeiZleba Tu ara prognozireba?
_ es ricxvebi imas gveubneba,
rom proporciuli arCevnebis
SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba, praqtikulad,
garantirebulad kargavs
Zalauflebas. zustad amitom
wavida biZina ivaniSvili reputaciul,
Zalian seriozul zianze
da datova Sereuli, maJoritaruli
saarCevno sistema. yvelas
kargad gvesmis: maJoritaruli
saarCevno sistemis pirobebSi
20% sakmarisia imisTvis, rom
100%-iani Sedegi miiRon. yvelam
viciT, rom maJoritarulis SemTxvevaSi
yvela olqSi meore turi
gardauvalia, xelisufleba opoziciis
daqsaqsulobisa da sisustis
pirobebSi pirvel adgilebze
gava. administraciuli da materialuri
resursiT, meore tureb-
Si, Tundac 20%-iani legitimaciiT,
xelisufleba moaxerxebs ma-
Joritaruli arCevnebis mogebas
da amazea mTeli gaTvla, amavdroulad,
yvelas kargad unda gvesmodes
isic, rom es igive Zalauflebis
uzurpaciis tolfasia,
radgan 20%-iani legitimaciiT
100%-iani Zalauflebis miReba ar
qmnis stabiluri politikuri
procesis safuZvels da, Sesabamisad,
Cven, erTi mxriv, winasaarCevno
problemebi gvaqvs, magram
postsaarCevnod kidev ufro seriozul
problemebs unda velodoT
da es aucileblad unda
gaiTvaliswinos xelisuflebam.
_ Cven vxedavT, rom xelisu-
flebasa da opozicias Soris ar
dasrulebula kamaTi imaze,
Catardeba Tu ara proporciuli
sistemiT 2020 wlis saparlamen-
to arCevnebi. Tqveni azriT,
rogor dasruldeba opozicia-
xelisuflebis dialogi?
_ proporciuli arCevnebis
Catarebas im saxiT, rogorc
Tavidan iyo naTqvami, bunebrivia,
skeptikurad vuyureb, radgan
konstituciuri procesis organizeba
SeuZlebelia, Tumca arsebobs
adaptirebuli germanuli
varianti, romlis miRebis Teoriuli
Sansi, jer kidev, Cans, _
mravalmandatian olqebs vgulisxmob.
aseve arsebobs xelisuflebis
SeTavazebac, romlis mixedviTac,
100 deputati proporciuli
wesiT, xolo 50 maJoritarulad
airCion, rac, garkveulwilad,
odnav ukeTesi aris imaze,
rac dRes gvaqvs. ase rom, politikur
procesSi gamoCndeba, ra
iqneba SesaZlebeli. TviTon biZina
ivaniSvilis interesebSia, rom
legitimurobas safrTxe ar Seuqmnas.
mudmivi krizisebisa da ryevis
pirobebSi rom ar viyoT, maqsimalurad
unda dauTmos opozicias
da Seecados, arCevnebi moigos
ara xelebis gadagrexiT,
aramed pozitiuri dRis wesrigiT,
axali imedebis talRis gaCeniT.
pozitiuri dRis wesrigi aris
erTaderTi universaluri meqanizmi
imisTvis, rom grZelvadianad
darCe ZalauflebaSi, radgan ramdenic
ar unda ugrixo adamianebs
xelebi, daaSino da daaSantaJo,
amas saboloo jamSi, perspeqtiva
mainc ar gaaCnia, _ rac ufro
agresiulad moqmedeb, ukuqmedebis
Zalasac zrdi. niutonis kanonia,
bolos da bolos, qmedebaukuqmedebis.
biZina ivaniSvilma
axali imedi unda SesTavazos sazogadoebas,
igive antikorufciuli
RonisZiebebi unda gaataros
da erTi-ori bobola rom vixiloT
korufciisTvis dasjili,
es sazogadoebis mxridan misdami
damokidebulebas, garkveulwilad,
gamoasworebda. rac Seexeba
opozicia-xelisuflebis dialogs,
vfiqrob, es procesi jer
ar dasrulebula, bevri dro ar
aris darCenili. vfiqrob, ianvar-
TebervalSi sabolood unda Camoyalibdes
yvelaferi. imis iqiT
gadaweva ukve aRar SeiZleba, radgan
saerTaSoriso standartiT
arCevnebamde 1 wliT adre ukve
unda dadgindes wesebi.
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