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skandaluri interviu
opozicia „ocnebis” mxilebas
giorgi abaSiZe
saerTaSoriso asparezze iwyebs,
rac imas niSnavs, rom e. w. Sav sias
adgens, sadac Seyvanil Tanamdebobis pirebs, wesiT da rigiT,
dasavleTma garkveuli sanqciebi unda dauwesos. sanqciebi,
SesaZloa, xmamaRali naTqvamia, magram arsebobs molodini, rom
adamianebs, romlebic zemoxsenebul siaSi moxvdebian, minimum,
evropis qveynebSi gadaadgileba aekrZalebaT. am etapisTvis
„Sav siaSi” mxolod xelisuflebis dabali eSelonebis ramden-
ime iseTi warmomadgenelia Seyvanili, romelTa saxelebi da
gvarebic farTo sazogadoebas arafers eubneba. swored amitom
„Savi siis” SedgenaSi partia „kanoni da samarTali” ar monawileobs.
amasTan, Tako Carkvianis politikurma gundma opoziciis
is sakoordinacio sabWoc datova, romelic propor-
ciuli arCevnebis sakiTxze muSaobs.
arsebobs Tu ara garkveuli
uTanxmoeba opoziciis SigniT? _
am Temaze „qronika+“ „kanoni da
samarTlis” erT-erT liders,
irakli Rlonts esaubra. Cven imiTac
davinteresdiT, saparlamento
arCevnebSi „kanoni da samarTa-
li” damoukideblad gamova Tu
„Zala erTobaSiasTan” erTad iqne-
ba? am Temaze Rlontma saubari ar
isurva. samagierod, vrcel inter-
viuSi ramdenime skandaluri min-
iSneba gaakeTa da arc imis Tqmas
moerida, rom opoziciis calkeu-
li liderebi saqmis sxvisi xeliT
gakeTebas arian miCveulebi.
_ irakli, „kanoni da samarTa-
li” e. w. Sav sias, rbilad rom
vTqvaT, abulingebs. ra xdeba _
did opoziciur erTobas bzari
Seepara?
_ siamovnebiT gipasuxebT mizezebze,
ris gamoc e. w. Savi sia am
SinaarsiT miuReblad miviCnieT.
_ mainc, ra mizezebia?
_ daviwyoT imiT, rom Cven
aravis vabulingebT.
_ aba, ras akeTebT?
_ im pozicias vafiqsirebT,
romelic mosaxleobis interesebTan
maqsimaluradaa daaxloebuli.
saerTod, xalxis dakveTa xelisuflebis
marionetebisa da zonderebis
mxileba araa, rasac politikosebze
ukeT Jurnalistebi SesaniSnavad
akeTebT da amisTvis madlobas
geubnebiT. xalxis didi nawili
opoziciisgan met efeqtian da
zust moqmedebas iTxovs xelisuflebis
winaaRmdeg, romelic yoveldRiurad
iseT Sav laqebs qmnis,
rac qarTul interesebs gamousworebel
zians ayenebs da qveyana,
praqtikulad, daclilia _ qarTvelTa
migracia 2 milionamdea gazrdili
da maT mdgomareobas, vinc
jer kidev darCenilia, yvelani vxedavT.
mokled, romel Sav sias davuWiroT
mxari, romlis saTaveSic mTavari
figurebi ar arian? im Sav sias
davuWiroT mxari, romlis pirvel
nomrad uzurpatori ivaniSvili ar
figurirebs? Cveni kritikis mizani
opoziciis gaZlierebaa. kolegebma
unda gaacnobieron: mas Semdeg,
rac xalxis namdvili dakveTis Sesrulebas,
anu xelisuflebis damarcxebas
SevZlebT, kanonma im pirebis
Savi sia unda Seadginos, romelTac
saxelmwifos saxeliT braldebas
politikuri gavlenebisgan
daclili prokuratura wauyenebs
da, obieqturi gamoZiebis safuZvelze,
samarTliani sasamarTlos
gziT moxdeba rogorc xelisuflebis
mTavari figurantebis,
aseve maTi marionetebis mxileba da
samarTlebrivi pasuxisgeba. iciT,
ra xdeba?
_ ra?
_ vakvirdebi da aSkaraa, rom
bevri opoziciuri partia da lideri
saqmis sxvisi xeliT gakeTebas
mieCvia.
_ ras gulisxmobT?
_ ai, magaliTad, partiebis garkveuli
nawili Jurnalistebs zurgze
gawevT da imiT kmayofildebian,
roca mediiTa da presiT agorebul
sakiTxebze komentarebs
akeTeben, anu fiqroben, rom es sakmarisia,
magram ara, batonebo, es
tivtivia da ara _ funqcionireba.
zemoxsenebuli siac, Tavisi SinaarsiT,
am mocemulobasTan axlos
dgas, anu opoziciuri partiebi
qveynis dasavlel partniorebs im
pirTa nusxas awvdian, visac gadaadgilebis
SezRudvebi unda
daudginon.
_ mere amaSi cudi ra aris?
_ e. i. mavans aqac sxvisi xeliT
surs saqmis gakeTeba. qveynis SigniT
qveynis xsna Jurnalistebs miandes,
qveynis gareT ki _ ucxoel
partniorebs? aba, aq sad Cans am
opozicionerTa funqcia?
e. w. Savi siis figurantebs qveynis
dasavlelma partniorebma sanqciebi,
maT Soris, Tavisufali
gadaadgilebis SezRudva unda
daudginon, magram gvaviwydeba, rom
es arcTu martivi saqmea da Tuki
gvsurs, rom am saqmes qirurgiuli
sizustiT mivyveT, ki batono, magram
CavrToT avtoritetuli arasamTavrobo
organizaciebi, raTa
igive qveynis partniorebTan es sia
ise ar wardges, rogorc opoziciur
partiaTa subieqturi xedvis
produqti, aramed, rogorc qveyanaSi
moqmedi sazogadoebrivi da politikuri
klasis erToblivi Sexeduleba,
Tumca vimeoreb: am sias
mxolod maSin davuWerT mxars,
Tuki pirvel nomrad oligarqi da
mis karze mdgari xelis biWebi dasaxeldebian,
amis Semdeg ki _ sakanonmdeblo,
aRmasrulebel da sasamarTlo
xelisuflebaSi Canergili
yurmoWrili borotmoqmedebi.
_ gare damkvirveblisTvis ise
Cans, rom opozicia sakuTari
principebis erTguli araa. ase,
magaliTad, „Zala erTobaSia” mudmivad
prodasavlurobiT ape-
lirebda da irwmuneboda, rom
prorusuli orientaciis partie-
bTan saerTo arasodes araferi
eqneboda, Tumca prodasavluri
Zalebi nino burjanaZis gverdiT
mSvenivrad grZnoben Tavs. es or-
magi standarti araa?
_ opoziciur partiaTa gaer-
Tianeba, kerZod, „Zala erTobaSia”,
Tavidan bolomde proqarTul da
iluzoruli erToblioba, sadac
bevri ver gebulobs, roiali sad
dgas.
saprotesto muxts isic anadgurebs,
rom bevri opozicioneri
lideri telekompaniebSi xSiri vizitiT
kmayofilia da fiqrobs,
rom xalxTan ase ufro axlos dgas.
arada, saprotesto muxts is dabali
standarti amcirebs, romelsac
opozicia aseTi uprincipo er-
TianobiTa da svlebiT gamoxatavs.
sworad gamigeT: am nawilSi me da
Cemi gundi mesame pirSi vsaubrobT
da es principuli gadawyvetilebaa.
dRes Semdegi mocemuloba gvaqvs:
aravin aRar kamaTobs, rom xelisufleba
unda Seicvalos, magram Tu
opozicia xalxs maRal standarts
ver SevTavazebT da ver davarwmunebT,
rom es brZola pirdapir xalxs
ekuTvnis da TiToeuli opozicioneri
xalxis namdvili nebis gamomxatveli
varT, muxti ki ar daziandeba,
TviTon procesi Seva Cix-
Si, anu xalxs opoziciis mimarT
ndoba daekargeba, rasac oligarqi
da misi klani, teqnikuri da administraciuli
resursis gamoyenebiT,
marjved gamoiyenebs. amis
daSveba ki ar SeiZleba da swored
amitomac vambobT, rom meti efeqtianoba,
sizuste, siTamame da xalxTan
meti axlo kavSiria saWiro.
amas garda, mTavaria, saqarTvelos
TiToeuli moqalaqe davarwmunoT,
rom am brZolis Semoqmedi opozicia
ki ara, qveynis interesebia!
diax, xalxs simarTle Tamamad da
damajereblad unda vuTxraT, rom
Cveni mizania, biZinas xelisufleba
mravalpartiuli politikuri
speqtriT CavanacvloT, raTa parlamentSi
meti pluralisturi sivrce
da demokratia iyos. isic saTqmelia,
rom biZina ivaniSvils mixeil
saakaSviliT an romelime sxva
maRalreitinguli lideriT ar vcvliT.
ufro xmamaRla unda davadeklariroT,
rom ivaniSvils mravalpartiuli
koaliciuri ZaliT
vcvliT, sadac yvela xalxis mier
miniWebuli mandatis farglebSi
unda iyos!
_ irakli, gulwrfeli iyavi da
Tqvi: opoziciidan vinmeze xom ar
gaqvs eWvi, rom farulad „oc-
nebasTan” TanamSromlobs?
_ xelisuflebasTan mokavSireoba
mravali formiT xdeba. erTerTi
pirdapiri garigeba politikuri
angarebaa, meore ki _ ara-
irakli Rlonti:
`bevri
opoziciuri
lideri saqmis
sxvisi xeliT
gakeTebas
mieCvia!~
dasavlur politikur platformaze
myarad mdgari erTianobaa da
amaSi vinmes mxridan eWvis Setana an
mizanmimarTuli qmedebaa, an _ sibriyve.
uaxloes warsulSi am gaer-
Tianebam yvelaze nayofieri opoziciuri
asparezoba SeZlo, rac
cifrebSia gamoxatuli da rac
sakmaod mimzidvelad gamoiyureba.
gulwrfeli rom viyo, piradad me,
irakli Rlonts, ufro meti moTxovnebi
maqvs igive am gaerTianebasTan,
radgan sakmaod TviTkritikuli
var da mimaCnia, rom am
formatisgan ufro meti aqtiuroba
da sizustea saWiro, raTa originaluroba
da ar daikargos da mosaxleobis
maRali ndobis xarisxi
SeinarCunos da ganaviTaros.
_ sxvaTa Soris, isic, albaT,
mxolod qarTuli opoziciis
Taviseburebaa, rom taim-autebs
iRebs. piradad me STabeWdileba
meqmneba, rom saprotesto muxtis
mizanmimarTuli dasusteba xdeba.
vcdebi, irakli?
_ da vinmem ganacxada, rom taimauts
acxadebs? amis Sesaxeb ar msmenia.
axali weli iyo da am dros
piketireba da quCis saprotesto
aqciebi saWiro araa, Tumca, albaT,
naxeT, bevri opozicioneri axal
wels parlamentis win Sexvda imis
simboluri ilustrirebisTvis,
rom brZola grZeldeba da manam ar
dasruldeba, vidre xalxi da qveyana
klanisa da rusuli uRlisgan
ar ganTavisufldeba. ai, rac Seexeba
saprotesto muxts, is formatebi,
romelic sazogadoebis mxardaWeras
ar iwvevs, namdvilad
azianebs. magaliTad, es arafrism-
Tqmeli e. w. Savi sia da ideologiur
simyares gacdenil partiaTa
`maSin, roca me da sxvebi aqtiurad
vupirispirdebodiT ruseTs saqarTveloSi,
korufcias, kriminals, nepotizms, ironiul
gadawyvetilebebs, xalxis mizanmimarTul
gaRaribebasa da oligarqs, batoni mamuka Ria
Tu konspiraciul vizitebs awyobda am
ukanasknelTan. Tuki me 2012 wels, axalgazrda
kaci, vxedavdi rusul safrTxes `ocnebis~
saxiT, ratom ver dainaxa es am adamianma?
cxadia, dainaxa, magram maSin misTvis ufro
mniSvnelovani biznesi iyo~
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