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_ CemTvis ufro mniSvnelovania
is, rasac zogadad vxedav
sazogadoebaSi. am SemTxvevaSi
NDI-is kvlevis tendenciebma,
rac sazogadoebriv ganwyobebs
gulisxmobs problemebTan dakavSirebiT,
namdvilad asaxa realoba.
rogorc wesi, am kvlevebs
axasiaTebs, rom tendencias
sworad aCvenebs, oRond Zalian
didia cdomileba, rodesac sakiTxi
exeba politikuri partiebis
an liderebis reitings,
magram, TavisTavad, NDI-is kvleva
zustad daemTxva imas, rasac
sazogadoebaSi vxedav, _ seriozul
ukmayofilebasa da nihilizms
xelisuflebis moqmedebebis
mimarT. es monacemebi xelisuflebisTvis
katastrofulia,
radgan arasdros yofila
xelisuflebisadmi ndoba aseTi
dabali. miT ufro, arasdros
iyo ndobis vardna im masStabis,
rogoric am xelisuflebis
pirobebSia iseTi struqturebisadmi,
rogoric aris Tundac
jari an prezidenti. samwuxaroa,
rom es kvleva xelisuflebis
Zalian mZime realobas
aCvenebs, Tumca xelisuflebas
amis danaxva ar unda.
_ kidev erTi mniSvnelovani
angariSi gamoaqveyna gavlenianma
uflebadamcvelma orga-
nizacia Human Rights Watch-ma,
sadac naTqvamia, rom 20 ivniss
mTavrobam mSvidobiani aqcieb-
is dasaSlelad gadametebuli
Zala gamoiyena. samarTaldamcvelTa
mier Cadenili kanondarRvevis
dausjeloba ki saqa-
rTveloSi problemad rCeba.
amasTan dakavSirebiT xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebi amboben,
rom organizacia „na-
cionaluri moZraobis” mier
kontrolirebadi arasamTavroboebis
miwodebul informacias
eyrdnoba. raze mety-
velebs mmarTveli gundis es
gancxadeba?
_ es am xelisuflebis absolutur
ugunurebaze, ucodinarobasa
da ususurobaze metyvelebs.
Human Rights Watch-Si, Sei-
Zleba, romelime opoziciurma
partiam an gavlenianma arasam-
Tavrobo organizaciam Tavisi
mosazreba miitanos, magram absoluturad
Secvalos Human
Rights Watch-is ganwyoba da dokumentis
Sinaarsi, es warmoudgenelia.
imisTvis, rom xelisufleba
mixvdes, „nacionaluri
moZraoba” ar aris yovlisSemZle,
mas vurCev waikiTxos
Human Rights Watch-is 2011-
2012 wlebis angariSi, sadac
aseve Zalian mwvaved aris gakritikebuli
„nacionaluri moZraoba”
2011 wlis 26 maisis movlenebis
gamo. e. i., maSin, roca „nacionaluri
moZraoba” xelisuflebaSi
iyo, ver akontrolebda
Human Rights Watch-s da axla
akontrolebs?! yvelafers saz-
Rvari aqvs, Tumca am xelisuflebis
ucodinarobam absolu-
`rac ar unda ilaparakos afxazeTisa Tu cxinvalis regionis xelisuflebam
an warmomadgenelma, sanam iqidan mkvidri mosaxleoba gandevnilia da sanam
devnilebi TavianT saxlebSi ar dabrundebian, manam veranair
samarTlianobasa da demokratiulobaze ver isaubreben. arCevnebsac
yovelTvis eqneba `e. w.~ TavsarTi. is, rom dialogTan dakavSirebiT signalebi
gaCnda, es nebismier SemTxvevaSi sasurvelia~
turad yvelanairi zRvari gadalaxa.
meore mxriv, Tu romelime
organizacia da, maT Soris,
Human Rights Watch-i aseTi
advilad samarTavia, opozicias
ufro advilad SeuZlia marTva
Tu xelisuflebaSi myof da 5
miliardis patron biZina ivani-
Svils?! Tu SesaZlebelia romelime
organizaciis marTva, ma-
Sin gainZrnen da TviTon mar-
Ton. Cven xom viciT, rom rac
Human Rights Watch-Si daiwera,
maT Soris, sasamarTloze, prokuraturasa
da a. S., es namdvilad,
is samwuxaro realobaa,
romelSic dRes vcxovrobT.
_ okupirebul regionSi
bolo Tveebis ganmavlobaSi
mZime politikuri krizisia, 10
N1 (303) 21.1-27.1.2020 w.
ianvars ki ruseTis mier okupirebuli
afxazeTis e. w. umaRlesma
sasamarTlom seqtember-
Si Catarebuli saprezidento
arCevnebis Sedegebi gaauqma,
xolo Tanamdebobidan gadadga
okupirebuli afxazeTis e.w
prezidenti raul xajimba. es
movlenebi ra kuTxiT SeiZleba
gamoiyenos Cveni qveynis xe-
lisuflebam?
_ ver getyviT, rom CemTvis
raul xajimbas gadadgoma mosalodneli
iyo, magram is, rom
am e. w. saprezidento arCevnebs
mZime Sedegebi moyveboda, es
naTeli iyo, radgan xajimbas ar
hqonda maRali avtoriteti da
iseTi monacemebi hqonda pirvel
turSi, rom namdvilad
`sainteresoa Tavad premieris figura, romelic
ruseTis prezidentma vladimir putinma
daasaxela. yuradRebiT wavikiTxe am adamianis
biografia da namdvilad Zalian saintereso
adamiania, romelmac uzarmazari reformebi
Caatara sagadasaxado-safinanso sferoSi,
imdenad mniSvnelovani reformebi, rom yvela
saerTaSoriso organizacia aRiarebda am
reformebs, rogorc samagaliTos~
Zalian seriozuli gayalbeba
sWirdeboda meore turSi mosagebad.
man Secdoma dauSva, ra
Tqma unda. sjobda, saqme aqamde
ar misuliyo da arCevnebi
normalurad Catarebuliyo an
konsultaciebi yofiliyo
opoziciis warmomadgenlebTan.
es ase ar moxda, ratomRac, iqac
moqmedma xelisuflebam yuri
moiyrua da ar gaigona sazogadoebis
meore nawilis azri.
roca aseTi viTarebaa, garkveuli
krizisi gardauvalia, Tumca
namdvilad visurvebdi, nebismieri
Sida krizisis SemTxveva-
Si de faqto xelisuflebaSi
iyvnen adamianebi, romlebic
mzad arian, saqarTvelos danar-
Cen nawilTan an centralur xelisuflebasTan
dialogi awarmoon,
radgan rac ar unda ilaparakos
afxazeTisa Tu cxinvalis
regionis xelisuflebam
an warmomadgenelma, sanam
iqidan mkvidri mosaxleoba gandevnilia
da sanam devnilebi
TavianT saxlebSi ar dabrundebian,
manam veranair samarTlianobasa
da demokratiulobaze
ver isaubreben. arCevnebsac
yovelTvis eqneba „e. w.” Tavsar-
Ti. is, rom dialogTan dakav-
SirebiT signalebi gaCnda, es
nebismier SemTxvevaSi sasurvelia.
ar aris gamoricxuli, es
iyos signali ara mxolod
saqarTvelosTvis, aramed moskovisTvisac,
didi albaTobiT,
asec aris. nebismier SemTxveva-
Si, amas gonieri xelisufleba
pozitiurad gamoiyenebda, Tumca
SeZlebs Tu ara dRevandeli
qarTuli xelisufleba qveynis
interesebis sasargeblod moqmedebas,
ver getyviT.
_ politikosebis nawili miiCnevs,
rom okupirebul afx-
azeTSi proafxazuri Zalebi
cdiloben xelisuflebaSi mos-
vlas, rac dialogis wamowyeb-
is SesaZleblobas gvaZlevs.
Tqven rogor uyurebT am process
da aRiqvamT Tu ara opoz-
iciur Zalebs proafxazur
Zalebad?
_ Cven unda velaparakoT absoluturad
yvelas, xelisuflebis
yvela nawils afxazeTsa
da samaCabloSi, Tu gvinda
problemebis mogvareba, _ amaze
ori azri ar arsebobs. Tumca
Cveni qveynis xelisuflebam
Zalian bevri dro dakarga da
axlac kargavs. rac Seexeba
opoziciur Zalebs, Cven ar gvaqvs
zusti informacia imasTan
dakavSirebiT, Tu ra xdeba afxazeTSi,
vin ra poziciazea da
vis pozicias ra ganapirobebs.
am SemTxvevaSi mravalkiTxviani
amocanaa da Zalian bevri sakiTxia,
romelic SeiZleba ganapirobebdes
ama Tu im gancxadebas
da pozicias, amitom amas
Rrma Seswavla sWirdeba da arc
zedmeti gancxadebebis keTeba
mimaCnia sworad.
_ ruseTis mTavroba premier
dimitri medvedevis meTauro-
biT sruli SemadgenlobiT
gadadga, medvedevi ki mixeil
miSustinma Caanacvla. amis paralelurad
putini sakonstitu-
cio cvlilebebis iniciativiT
gamovida. rogor fiqrobT, ra
mizans emsaxureboda am momen-
tSi mTavrobis gadadgoma da
rogor SeiZleba, ruseTis Sida
procesebi aisaxos mis sagareo
politikaze?
_ vfiqrob, ruseTSi mniSvnelovani
gadawyvetileba miiRes.
sazogadoeba didi xnis ganmavlobaSi
eloda mTavrobis seriozul
ganaxlebas da axal premier-ministrsac.
faqtia, axali amocanebi
daisaxa axali reformebis
gasatareblad, romelic orientirebulia
qveynis socialurekonomikuri
mdgomareobis gaumjobesebaze,
reformebis ganxorcielebaze
da es, ra Tqma unda,
nebismieri qveynisTvis Zalian
mniSvnelovania. sainteresoa Tavad
premieris figura, romelic
ruseTis prezidentma vladimir
putinma daasaxela. yuradRebiT
wavikiTxe am adamianis biografia
da namdvilad Zalian saintereso
adamiania, romelmac uzarmazari
reformebi Caatara sagadasaxado-safinanso
sferoSi, imdenad
mniSvnelovani reformebi, rom
yvela saerTaSoriso organizacia
aRiarebda am reformebs,
rogorc samagaliTos. mas axasiaTeben,
rogorc Zalian saqmian
da seriozul figuras, ase rom,
es ruseTisTvis sasikeTo cvlilebebi
iqneba. imedi minda viqonio,
rom im blokebSi, romelic
sagareo urTierTobebs exeba,
konkretulad ki saqarTvelos-
Tan urTierTobas, iseTi tendencia
ganviTardeba, romelic xels
Seuwyobs rusul-qarTuli urTierTobebis
gaumjobesebas.
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