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gaSveba ruseT-saqarTvelos urTierTobaze?
`rac Seexeba imas, rom afxazeTis Sida movlenebSi ruseTi Caeria da
situacia daalaga, es pirvelad ar momxdara. ver vityviT, rom ruseTs
xajimba ar awyobda, magram Tavidanve Canda, rom igive surkovi soxumSi mis
gadasayeneblad Cavida - moskovma dainaxa, rom afxazuri sazogadoebisTvis
xajimba miuRebeli gaxda. aseT dros ki rusebi yovelTvis imaze midian, rom
arasasurveli pirovneba martivad Camoweron~
wlis saprezidento arCevnebisTvis
seriozuli kandidati SearCios da
araa gamoricxuli, prezidentad
isev medvedevs amzadebdes.
_ ase ratom fiqrobT, batono
amiran?
_ medvedevi uSiSroebis sabWos
mdivnis, anu, praqtikulad, putinis
moadgiled gadavida. amitom araa
gamoricxuli, rom medvedevis Semdegi
Tanamdeboba prezidentoba an
uSiSroebis sabWos mdivnoba iyos.
_ Tu movlenebi am scenariT
ganviTarda, putini, Tqveni azriT,
ra Tanamdebobas daikavebs?
_ savsebiT dasaSvebia, rom putini
isev premierad mogvevlinos,
Tumca arc isaa gamoricxuli, rom
dumis zeda an qveda palatis xelmZRvaneloba
airCios, magram ar
mgonia, sakanonmdeblo saqmianoba
misTvis sasiamovno da misaRebi
iyos. iqidan gamomdinare, rom
putins ukve ise moixsenieben,
rogorc „nacionalur liders”,
araa gamoricxuli, saxelmwifo sabWos
Tavmjdomared gadainacvlos.
am versias isic amyarebs, rom aqamde,
daaxloebiT, 20 wlis ganmavlobaSi,
saxelmwifo sabWo arakonstituciuri
organo iyo, axla ki
putinma am sabWosTan mimarTebiT
sakonstitucio iniciativebi gaa-
JRera, romlis Tanaxmadac, saxelisuflebo
vertikalSi sabWos
garkveuli berketebi gadaecema.
mokled, Cans, rom putini bolomde
Camoyalibebuli araa da sxvadasxva
StosTvis saxelisuflebo
berketebis gadanawilebaze muSaobs.
amaze isic metyvelebs, rom
mTavrobis daniSvnaze dumas garkveuli
uflebebi ukve misca.
_ batono amiran, yvelaferi es,
saboloo jamSi, imas xom ar emsax-
ureba, rom putinma didi xnis
ocneba aixdinos da modernizebu-
li sabWoTa kavSiri Seqmnas?
_ putini sabWoTa kavSiris aRdgenaze
wlebia, muSaobs _ oci welia,
xelisuflebis saTaveSia, magram
ver vityviT, rom am kuTxiT
rame gansakuTrebul warmatebas
miaRwia.
sxvaTa Soris, damoukidebel
saxelmwifoTa Tanamegobroba sab-
WoTa kavSiris daSlisTanave Seiqmna,
magram dsT-s saqarTveloc gamoaklda
da _ ukrainac.
rac Seexeba ruseT-belarusis
kavSirs, putini sagrZnob warmatebas
am kuTxiTac ver aRwevs da
lukaSenkosTan mudmivad Widaobs.
vnaxoT, momaval oTx weliwadSi am
ori saxelmwifos gaerTianebas
moaxerxebs Tu vera. sxva mimarTulebiT,
ekonomikuris garda,
evraziul kavSirs vgulisxmob, seriozuli
araferia. Tu marTvis
modelze vsaubrobT, ar vici, magram
sabWoTa kavSiri, pirvel rig-
Si, 15 respublikisgan Semdgari
sivrce iyo, magram is, rac 20 wlis
ganmavlobaSi ver gaakeTa, ar mgonia,
putinma darCenil oTx weliwadSi
SeZlos, Tu, ra Tqma unda,
pirdapir agresiaze ar gadavida.
rogorc giTxariT, mTavrobis
gadadgoma ufro Sida moxmarebazea
gaTvlili, anu erTi mxriv,
protesti rom CaaxSos _ xalxs
Tavi ise moaCvenos, rogorc mzrunvelma
mamam da „nacionalurma
liderma” da, meore mxriv, 2024-
isTvis moemzados, Tu ra formiT
mogvevlineba da rogor politikur
sistemas Seqmnis.
ise, dasaSvebia, rom saxelmwifo
sabWo ssrk-s politbiuros daemsgavsos,
magram politbiuro ufro
partiuli iyo, saxelmwifo sabWo
ki gubernatorebisgan Sedgeba da
ufro sxva modelia, anu Cinovnikebisgan
dakompleqtebuli organoa,
romelic putins saSualebas
miscems, regionebi akontrolos.
_ batono amiran, ramdenjerme
xazgasmiT TqviT, rom putins ukve
„nacionalur liderad” moixsenie-
ben. zogadad, naTelia, rom bolo
dros mxolod ruseTSi ki ara,
dasavleTSic nacionaluri idee-
bi TandaTan popularuli xdeba,
rac trampis magaliTzec naTlad
Cans, anu faqtia, msoflio icvleba.
hoda, es globaluri cvlileba
da amasTan, ruseTSi ganviTare-
buli procesebi saqarTveloze
rogor aisaxeba?
_ yvelaferi es Cvenze pirdapir
gavlenas ar moaxdens.
_ ufro konkretulad?
_ Cems poziciaze vrCebi, rom
ruseTis samTavrobo Tu sakonstitucio
cvlilebebi Sida moxmarebas
emsaxureba. sagareo mimarTulebiT
ki ruseTis politika
ar Seicvleba. aseve politika arc
okupirebul teritoriebTan mimarTebiT
Seicvleba. sxvaTa Soris,
evraziuli kavSiris gafarToebac
rTulad warmomidgenia. yovel SemTxvevaSi,
evraziul kavSirSi saqarTvelosa
da ukrainis CaTreva
SeuZlebelia. marTalia, afxazeT-
Si wagebuli pirveli omis Semdeg
dsT-Si ki SevediT, magram ar mgonia,
rom es nabiji meoredac gadavdgaT,
miT umetes, ndoba nulovania
_ 2008-Si verc dsT-Si yofnam
gviSvela da verc _ sxva faqtorma.
_ sxvaTa Soris, ruseTis
samTavrobo cvlilebebamde erTgvari
bunti okupirebul afxazeTSi
daiwyo, rasac e. w. prezi-
dentis gadadgoma moyva. amasTan,
niSandoblivia, rom e. w. afxazuri
`edinaia rosias~ liderebi, magaliTad,
nemerovi, putins prezidents ki ara,
`nacionalur liders~ uwodebs, rac
SemTxveviTi araa. am termins, cxadia, sakuTari
nebiT ar iyenebs da, rogorc Cans, aseTi
miTiTeba aqvs~
opoziciis calkeuli warmomadgenlebi
TbilisTan pirdapiri dialogis
iniciativiT gamodian. yve-
laferi es ruseTis mTavrobis
gadagdebis konteqstSi xom ar
unda ganvixiloT?
_ amas ruseTis samTavrobo cvlilebebTan
ar davakavSireb.
_ ratom?
_ es absoluturad calke procesia.
_ es Tema gavSaloT.
_ afxazeTSi saprotesto aqciebi
Semodgomaze, anu maSin daiwyo,
roca adgilobrivi „kanonieri
qurdebi” mokles. amJamindel saprotesto
aqciebs, romelic xajinbas
gadayenebiT damTavrda, metwilad
swored amas ukavSireben, Torem e.
w. arCevnebi gasuli wlis seqtemberSi
Catarda da iqauri konstituciidan
gamomdinare, maSinve
Zalian kargad icodnen, rom es e.
w. arCevnebi gayalbebuli iyo, anu
am „konstituciaSi” aseTi Canaweri
yofila, rom meore adgilze gasulma
kandidatma, jamSi, gamarjvebul
kandidatsa da gabaTilebul
biuletenebze naklebi unda miiRos,
magram ise gamovida, rom
gabaTilebuli biuletenebis raodenoba
meore adgilze gasulis-
Tvis rom daematebinaT, xajimba
prezidentobas ver gaiformebda.
aqedan gamomdinare, e. w. sakonstitucio
sasamarTlom xajimbas gamarjveba
da, saerTod, arCevnebis
Sedegebi baTilad gamoacxada, Tumca
rom ara zemoxsenebuli kriminaluri
dapirispireba, yvelaferi
es ar moxdeboda, anu imis katalizatorad,
rac bolo dros afxazeTSi
moxda, kriminaluri garCevebi
miiCneva.
rac Seexeba imas, rom afxazeTis
Sida movlenebSi ruseTi Caeria da
situacia daalaga, es pirvelad ar
momxdara. ver vityviT, rom ruseTs
xajimba ar awyobda, magram
Tavidanve Canda, rom igive surkovi
soxumSi mis gadasayeneblad
Cavida _ moskovma dainaxa, rom afxazuri
sazogadoebisTvis xajimba
miuRebeli gaxda. aseT dros ki
rusebi yovelTvis imaze midian,
rom arasasurveli pirovneba martivad
Camoweron.
ise, kremlis poziciis miuxedavad,
adgilobrivebi arCevans mainc
TavianT Wkuaze akeTeben, Tumca
afxazeTSi ruseTs uzarmazari
berketebi aqvs _ samxedro baza,
ekonomika, kriminaluri kontroli.
Sesabamisad, e. w. arCevnebSi
vinc unda gaimarjvos, kontrols
mainc SeinarCunebs.
rac Seexeba pirdapir dialogsa
da Cvens molodins, aqtiurebi
unda viyoT.
_ da es aqtiuroba raSi unda
gamoixatos?
_ bevrma politikurma liderma
gaaJRera, afxazeTSi rac unda
moxdes, mainc araferi Seicvlebao,
magram, Cemi azriT, gverdiTi damkvirveblebi
ar unda viyoT, radgan
es Cveni teritoriaa da Cvens
gasakeTebels sxva ar gaakeTebs.
_ „gasakeTebelSi” ras gulisx-
mobT, batono amiran?
_ konfliqti, maincdamainc,
omiT ar unda gadawydes, radgan
ruseTTan dajaxeba TviTmkvlelobis
tolfasia, magram Cveni pozicia
aqtiuri unda iyos da komunikaciis
arc erT formatze ar unda
vTqvaT uari. es ruseTTan ki ara,
Cvens teritoriasTan saubari iqneba,
Tumca afxazebi Seecdebian, rom
Tanatolis statusiT gvesaubron.
ise, romelime afxazma liderma
rom ganacxados, mzad var, saqar-
Tvelos SemadgenlobaSi davbrundeTo,
soxumSi sakuTar pozicias
maSinve dakargavs. saerTod, imis
dabrunebas, rac omiTaa dakarguli,
wlebi sWirdeba. amitom moTmineba
da Sida sazogadoebrivi Tu
politikuri Tanxmoba unda gveyos,
rom saboloo miznamde nabij-nabij
mivideT. sxvanairad araferi gamova.
pasiur reJims ki is moaqvs, rom
orive mxares Taobebi izrdeba da
ndoba, jer kidev, SemorCenilia,
razedac Sambasa da bJanias gancxadebebic
metyvelebs, anu komunikaciis
resursi jer kidev arsebobs.
mas Semdeg ki, roca politikaSi
am xalxis SviliSvilebi movlen,
dialogi da saubari gacilebiT
rTuli iqneba!
_ batono amiran, gamoricx-
ulia, rom konfederaciis idea
gacocxldes, romelSic afxazeTs
farTo uflebebi eqneba?
_ es ase martivad ar moxdeba.
_ ratom?
_ dialogi unda daiwyos sxvadasxva
formatiT da SeiZleba, uamravi
Sexvedra dagvWirdes, raTa
Semdegi Tanacxovrebis pirveli
konturebi gamoikveTos.
aqedan gamomdinare, kidev erTxel
vimeoreb: yvelafer amisTvis
moTmineba unda gveyos da, amasTan,
pasiur reJimSic ar unda viyoT!
komunikaciebis gzebs Cven unda
veZebdeT! rac Seexeba konkretuli
liderebis gancxadebebze reaqcias,
aqac gonivrulebi unda viyoT
da vicodeT, rom iqauri nebismieri
politikosis Seqeba Tu proqarTulad
gamocxadeba am politikoss
mxolod avnebs. is politikosi
ki, romelsac mtrad gamovacxadebT,
iq SesaZloa, warmatebuli
gaxdes. mokled, gonivrulebi unda
viyoT da gauazrebeli moqmedebebi
yovlad miuRebelia! deokupaciis
sakiTxSi mTeli politikuri
speqtri erTiani unda iyos. yvela
saxelmwifos, vinc ki am kuTxiT
warmatebas miaRwia, grZelvadiani
mizani hqonda, rasac nabij-nabij
mihyveboda da Cvenc ase unda moviqceT!
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