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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com òcnebis~ arsenalSi Zaladobis 14 maiss zugdidSi, kerZod, giorgi abaSiZe dadianebis sasaxlis ezoSi, sandra rulovssa da mis Tanmxleb pirebs _ nika vaCeiSvils, mweral zaal samadaSvilsa da telekompania „odiSis” Jurnalistebs Tavs daesxnen. videokadreb- Si, romelic Tavdasxmis adgilidan gavrcelda, naTlad Cans, rom ramdenime adamiani fotografs misdevs da xels urtyams. aseve CanawerSi Cans, rom erT-erTi Tavdamsxmeli nika vaCeiS- vils mucelSi muSts urtyams. TviTmxilvelebis TqmiT, Tavdamsxmelebi sityvieradac Zaladobdnen da isini qarTulad da megrulad iginebodnen. imave dRes iTqva, rom Tavdamsxmelebi susis provokatorebi iyvnen. maleve cnobili gaxda maTi vinaobac da isic gairkva, rom irakli da gela Seliebs, badri da melor miqavebsa da gela kvaracxelias „nacionaluri moZraobis” winaaRmdeg provokacia araerTxel aqvT mowyobili. Tavdasxmidan meore dRes policiam erT-erTi Tavdamsxmeli, gela kvaracxelia daakava, romelsac zugdidis raionuli sasamarTlos mosamarTle SoTa biWiam aRkveTis RonisZiebis saxiT patimroba Seufarda. am saqmeze Semdegi sxdoma 27 ivniss gaimarTeba. manamde ki cnobili gaxda: samarTaldamcvelebma momxdarTan dakavSirebiT brali wauyenes telekompania „odiSis” Jurnalist levan Toriasac, romelic Tavdasxmis dros Tavs icavda, arada, mas Zaladobas edavebian. „zugdidSi, dadianebis sasaxlis ezoSi momxdar incidentTan dakav- SirebiT Sinagan saqmeTa saministros samegrelo-zemo svaneTis policiis departamentis zugdidis raionuli sammarTvelos TanamSromlebma 17 maiss levan Toria pasuxisgebaSi misces. mas brali waredgina Zaladobis faqtze, sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsis 126-e muxlis pirveli nawiliT. gamoZiebiT dadginda, rom braldebulma levan Toriam, mimdinare wlis 14 maiss zugdidSi, dadianebis sasaxlis ezoSi, moqalaqes fizikuri Seuracxyofa miayena. Toria am etapze dakavebuli ar aris. faqtTan dakavSirebiT am droisTvis sagamoZiebo moqmedebebi grZeldeba”, _ aRniSnulia Sss-s gancxadebaSi. braldebis wayenebis Semdeg levan Toriam gancxadeba gaavrcela, sadac vkiTxulobT: „axla gavige, rom CainiSna sasamarTlo, 2 dReSi ukve saqme gamoi- Zies maSin, rodesac 4 wlis win Cemze Tavdasxma dResac gamouZiebelia. rac Seexeba Zaladobis muxliT Cem winaaRmdeg saqmis aRZvras, es aris usamarTloba da ukanonoba maSin, rodesac Cem winaaRmdeg da Cemi stumrebis winaaRmdeg ganxorcielda Tavdasxma da gadacema, faqtobrivad, CaSales. aseT pirobebSi Cem winaaRmdeg saqmis warmoeba aris ukiduresi usamarTloba, is Tavdamsxmelebic da mec igive muxliT unda gagvasamarTlon? CaliTaa es qveyana dafaruli, rogorc Cans da, sruli ukanonobaa. Tu Tavis dacva aris Zaladoba da agresia, maSin razea saubari?!” Jurnalistis winaaRmdeg dawyebul sisxlis samarTlis saqmes opozicia politikur devnad afasebs. arasamTavroboebi ki Jurnalisturi saqmianobis xelis SeSlaze amaxvileben yuradRebas. „faqtia, rom am SemTxvevaSi mediis warmomadgeneli idga, iRebda intervius, werda siuJets konkretul pirTan da am SemTxvevaSi mas- Tan mividnen. es ukve imas niSnavs, rom xeli SeeSala Tavisi saqmianobis ganxorcilebaSi. amasTan, mniSvnelovania, rom mediis nebismieri warmomadgeneli, romelic gamodis quCaSi, wers intervius, iRebs intervius da axorcielebs Tavis Jurnalistur saqmianobas, is iyos absoluturad daculi da hqondes SesaZlebloba, srulyofilad ganaxorcielos misi saqmianoba”, _ acxadeben saia-Si. asea Tu ise, TvalnaTelia, rom Zaladobis kultivirebas xelisufleba an xelisuflebis garkveuli frTa axdens. am azrs iziarebs zemoxsenebuli incidentis TviTmxilveli, Tbilisis sakrebulos yofili Tavmjdomare, „nacionaluri moZraobis” wevri, mwerali zaal samadaSvili, romelmac mas Semdeg, rac „odiSis” Jurnalists brali wauyenes, socialur qselSi dawera: „manamdec mjeroda, magram mas Semdeg, rac levan Torias, Rirseul axlgazrda kacs, „odiSis” Jurnalists, ZaladobaSi dasdes brali, sabolood davrwmundi, rom aipadiani garewrebi, romlebic Tavs dagvesxnen dadianebis baRSi, xelisuflebis mogzavnilebi iyvnen da cinikur davalebas asrulebdnen _ sityvieri da fizikuri Seuracxyofa moeyenebinaT, gamoewviaT romelime Cvengani da Tu Tavis dacvas ganvizraxavdiT, moZaladed warmoveCineT, policiaSi davesmineT TavianT gadaRebul „masalaze” dayrdnobiT”. realurad, ra moxda dadianebis sasaxlis baRSi da ris miRwevas cdilobs „ocneba” Zaladobrivi jgufebis xelSewyobiT? _ „qronika+” gTavazobT intervius zaal samadaSvilTan: _ batono zaliko, winasaar- Cevno periodSi, zugdidis dadianebis sasaxleSi momxdari incidentis dros, roca sandra rulovssa da telekompania „odiSis” warmomadgenlebs Tavs daesxnen, Tavmdamsxmelebi Tqven da nika va- CeiSvilsac Segexnen xeliT. erTi wamiT daviviwyoT, rom politikuri partiis politsabWos wevri xarT. yovel SemTxvevaSi, piradad CemTvis, Tqven, upirvelesad, mwerali xarT. roca mwerals xeliT exebian, es ukve fskeria? _ Cemi persona naklebmniSvnelovania. _ amas ratom ambobT? _ mTavari is agresia da siZulvilia, romliTac, Cemi Rrma rwmeniT, adamianebis mcire jgufia ga- JRenTili. am adamianebis gaJRenTvas Tu damuxtvas xelisufleba uwyobs xels. es gacilebiT mniSvnelovani imitom aris, rom siZu- zaal samadaSvili: àipadiani garewrebi, romlebic Tavs dagvesxnen, xelisuflebis mogzavnilebi iyvnen!~ lvili SesaZloa, nebismieri xelobis adamianze gadmoinTxes. metic, am SemTxvevaSi, mniSvneloba sqessac ar aqvs _ qalebis mimarTac iseTive agresiulebi arian xolme, rogorc mamakacebis. rac Seexeba dadianebis araCveulebriv baRSi momxdar incidents, erTia, roca emociebi sWarbobs da meorea, roca momxdars civi gonebiT aanalizeb, anu am incidentSi Sedegis miRwevisa da gamarjvebis mikro modeli davinaxe. _ am Temis gaSla SegiZliaT, anu ver vxvdebi, ama Tu im politikurma Zalam, rogor SeiZleba, cema-tyepebiT da agresiiT, gr- Zelvadian perspeqtivaSi, gamar- jvebas miaRwios? _ aq ori mxarea: erTs siZulvili da angariSsworeba amoZravebs. meore ki, am SemTxvevaSi, Cven _ qalbatoni sandra rulovsi, nika vaCeiSvili, televizia „odiSis” gadamRebi jgufi da me dadianebis baRSi amomrCevelTan Sesaxvedrad ki ara, Zalian kargi saqmisTvis viyaviT misulebi, anu gadacema unda Caweriliyo da, magaliTad, nika vaCeiSvils dadianebis parksa da mis teritoriaze ganTavsebul sasaxleebze, saidanac erTi restavrirebulia, meores ki restavracia sWirdeba, CarTva eqneboda. istoriuli da kulturuli Zeglebis movla-patronobis saqmeSi nika vaCeiSvilze ukeTesi specialisti saqarTveloSi cota meguleba _ TiTebze CamosaTvlelebi arian. mokled, es gadacema Zalian mni- Svnelovani iyo, Tu rogor warmoudgeniaT adamianebs am istoriuli parkis ukeTesi momavali. axla nikas magivrad ver vilaparakeb, magram Cveni iq misvlis mizani da amocana swored es iyo, rom merobis kandidat qalbaton sandra rulovsisTvis specialists garkveuli rekomendaciebi mieca. mimaCnia, rom es saubari zugdidisTvis da ara mxolod zugdidisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania. weRan giTxariT, aseTi agresia gamarjvebis mikro modelia-meTqi. _ diax, mesmis da swored amaze CagekiTxeT, agresia gamarjvebis mikro modeli rogor unda iyos? _ ar mgonia, romelime Cvengani, vinc iq viyaviT, gamorCeuli adamianebi viyoT, magram qalbatoni sandras TavSekaveba gadamdebia da am agresiasa da siZulvilTan gamklaveba swored TavSekavebiT Sev- ZeliT. zogadad, aseTi agresiuli adamianebi Zalian iolad iSifrebian _ Soridanve igrZnoba, rom ganrisxebulebi jiqur modiodnen da surdaT, rom maTze, viskenac midiodnen, Tavzardacemis efeqti moexdinaT. yvelaze sasacilo ki is iyo, rom marjvena xeli Tavisufali hqondaT, meore xelSi ki didi telefonebi an e. w. aipadebi eWiraT. _ e. i., Tavdamsxmelebi Tavdasx- mas mizanmimarTulad iRebdnen, rom Semdeg es Canaweri vinmesTvis eCvenebinaT? _ CemTvis warmoudgenelia, baRis Sesasvlelidan raRac jgufamde misvla da Semdeg am jgufTan konfliqti ratom unda gadaiRo? maSasadame, dokumenti unda SeeqmnaT da es dokumenti viRacisTvis eCvenebinaT. yvelafer amis gaSifvra Zalian advilia. _ batono zaal, es SemTxveva rom ganvazogadoT, e. i. sazogadoebis garkveul wreebSi agresiis kultivirebas xelisufleba axdens? _ ra Tqma unda. yovel SemTxvevaSi, me aseTi STabeWdileba meqmneba. _ am agresiis kultivirebis saboloo mizani, Tqveni azriT, ra SeiZleba iyos? _ iciT, rogor iyo? _ ai, aRvwer: alya dagvartyes. win xan erTi gamoxteboda, xan _ meore. yvelafer amas fonad uSveri gineba axlda. xels gviqnevdnen, an cdilobdnen, rom rogorme gamovewvieT da ginebaze ginebiT gvepasuxa, dartymaze _ dartymiT da a. S. yvelafer amas Tavdamsxmelebi iRebdnen da warmoidgineT, rom maT gadaRebul masalaSi, romelic viRacas warudgines, Cven gamovCndebodiT, anu saboloo jamSi, Seiqmneboda STabeWdileba, rom adamianebis raRac jgufs, romelsac merobis es konkretuli kandidati ar moswons, am merobis kandidatis momxreebi lanZRva-ginebiTa da xelebis qneviT daxvdnen. mokled, yvelafer amis amocana swored es iyo, magram raRac momentSi saocari simSvide vigrZeniT da yvelafers am simSvidiT gavumklavdiT. Tavdamsxmelebi Zun- Zul-ZunZuliT wavidnen, policia movida, davTrebi gaSala da raRacebis Cawera daiwyo, ra da rogor iyoo. yvelafer amis gamo gadacemis Cawera, sul raRac, naxevari saaTiT dagvianda. mokled, es dRe CemTvis imis mikro modeli iyo, Tu rogor unda gaimarjvo agresiaze simSvidiTa da moTminebiT! _ naTqvamia, vinc iTmens, is igebso, magram mainc im Temas davu- brundebi da xelmeored gkiTxavT: Tqveni azriT, „ocneba” agresiis kultivirebas ratom cdilobs? 10 10 N17 (<strong>278</strong>) 21.05-27.05.2019 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com meti iaraRi ar aris!~ sabWoTa kavSirsa da sabWourobas vebrZviT! Cveni mTavari mteric sxvaTa Soris, mmarTveli gun- dis mxardamWerebis mxridan agresiis gamovlinebis momswreni sxva drosac gavmxdarvarT _ ma- galiTad, 2013 wels, roca mixeil saakaSvili jer kidev prezidenti iyo da erovnul biblioTekasTan „nacionaluri moZraobis” wevrebs Tavs daesxnen. am agresias isic xom ar uwyobs xels, rom 2012 wlis Semdeg xalxis cxovreba gauaresda, anu gaWirvebuli adamianebis marTva advilia? _ saubris dasawyisSi giTxariT, rom dadianebis baRSi Sexla-Semoxla mcire jgufTan moxda, anu zugdidSi ori dRe davyavi, qalaqSi davdiodiT, adamianebisgan keTilganwyobis meti araferi gvigrZnia. amitomac vamtkiceb, rom zugdidis moqalaqeebi agresiulebi ki ara, keTilganwyobilebi arian. ai, am adamianebs unda gaesaubroT da mixvdebiT, saqarTvelo evropa ratom aris! is marginaluri jgufi ki, romelic Tavs dagvesxa, katastroful umciresobaSia! zogadad, aseT agresiul adamianebs, me Tu mkiTxavT, warmomavloba ar gaaCniaT. sxvaTa Soris, sami Tu oTxi wlis win saprezidento biblio- àlya dagvartyes. win xan erTi gamoxteboda, xan - meore. yvelafer amas fonad uSveri gineba axlda. xels gviqnevdnen, an cdilobdnen, rom rogorme gamovewvieT da ginebaze ginebiT gvepasuxa, dartymaze - dartymiT da a. S. yvelafer amas Tavdamsxmelebi iRebdnen da warmoidgineT, rom maT gadaRebul masalaSi, romelic viRacas warudgines, Cven gamovCndebodiT, anu saboloo jamSi, Seiqmneboda STabeWdileba, rom adamianebis raRac jgufs, romelsac merobis es konkretuli kandidati ar moswons, am merobis kandidatis momxreebi lanZRva-ginebiTa da xelebis qneviT daxvdnen~ maluri da keTili adamiani, ramdenic unda eCiCino, agresiulad ganawyo. amitomac vadareb sabWo- Ta epoqis agresiul milicielebs. _ agresia ileqeba. Sesabamisad, xom ar unda velodoT, rom, adre Tu gvian, es agresia mTel sazoga- doebas moicavs? _ amitomac vambob, rom agresias TavSekavebiT da moTminebiT unda vupasuxoT. es Cemi gamogonili ki ara, ZvelisZveli meTodia. metic, agresiasTan gamklaveba moTminebi- baSi am agresiul adamianebs ar hqondaT saSualeba, rom Zveleburad eTareSaT _ xalxi ecemaT, eZarcvaT da eZaladaT. yvelaferi es maSin aRikveTa, rac maTTvis Zalian mtkivneuli iyo. amitom es ar undodaT. arada, saxelmwifos Zaladobis aRkveTis legitimuri ufleba aqvs da am uflebas es jgufebi usamarTlobad miiCnevdnen da miiCneven. axla Zaladobis saSualeba isev miecaT da fiqroben, rom maTTvis samarTlianoba aRdga! swored es aris. _ Cven SigniT arsebuli sabWo- Ta kavSiri rogor unda davama- rcxoT da davangrioT? _ amaze Zalian banaluri pasuxia _ codniT, ganaTlebiTa da SromiT. moqalaqeoba elementaruli pasuxismgeblobaa, romelic yvela normalur adamians unda hqondes. mokled, TiToeulma Cvenganma unda vicodeT, rom qveynis momavali Cvens qcevazea damokidebuli. saerTod, eqstremalur situacia- Si sworad moqceva sazogadoebisTvis araCveulebrivi magaliTia. _ geTanxmebiT, magram Cvens sa- zogadoebaSi swored samoqalaqo ganaTlebis deficitia. imisTvis, rom TiToeuli Cvenganis samoqalaqo Segneba amaRldes, mediam da igive politikurma speqtrma veqtorebi xom ar unda Secvalos? _ ra Tqma unda. sxvaTa Soris, SarSan, biblioTekaSi saqarTvelos uaxlesi istoriis TeTr laqebze leqciebis kursi CavatareT. am leqciebis kursma axalgazrdebis Zalian didi daintereseba gamoiwvia. imisTvis, rom momavalze iyo orientirebuli, aucileblad Seni warmomavloba da biografia unda icode. istoria am qveynis biografiaa, magram roca sakuTari qveynis biografias ar icnob da ar ici, saidan modixar, vin xar, ra gza gamoiare, Secdoma sad dauSvi an ar dauSvi, amis gareSe momavals rogor gansazRvrav? Cvens istoriaSi Zalian bevri laqaa. yovel SemTxvevaSi, bevri ram ar viciT. wera-kiTxvis gamavrcelebeli sazogadoebis daarsebis 150 wlisTavi Sesrulda da amasTan dakav- SirebiT am dReebSi ilia WavWavaZis centrma konferencia Caata. am kon- obo organizacia iyo. _ qveyanaSi rusuli okupacia axlac mZvinvarebs! _ ra Tqma unda. dRes uamravi arasamTavrobo organizaciaa, romelsac saganmanaTleblo funqcia aqvs. ai, magaliTad, Zalian kargi saqme keTdeba _ Tu ar vcdebi, literaturis muzeumTan sabWoTa kvlevis laboratoria arsebobs, romelsac Zalian kargi saganmanaTleblo programebi aqvs, karg diskusiebs marTavs da aseve wignebsac gamoscems. roca okupaciaze vsaubrobT, rogor SeiZleba, saqarTvelos moqalaqem ar icodes, vis mier aris Cveni miwebi gasxvisebuli _ yvela teritoria sabWoTa ruseTma gaasxvisa, magram amis Sesaxeb farTo sazogadoebam, samwuxarod, ar icis! _ sazogadoebisTvis swori mimarTulebisa da meinstrimis mice- ma xelisuflebis valdebulebaa Tu sazogadoebam gza Tavad unda gaikvalos? _ bunebrivia, yvelafer amaSi lomis wili xelisuflebaze modis. ai, magaliTad, saxelmwifo institutebi aviRoT _ ganaTlebisa da kulturis saministro risTvis arsebobs? _ es ritorikuli kiTxvaa. yovel SemTxvevaSi, mgoni, Tavad ba- tonma batiaSvilmac ar icis, ra ufleba-movaleobebi aqvs! _ saxelmwifo institutebma qveynis keTildReobaze nebismieri mimarTulebiT unda izrunon, Tumca samoqalaqo sazogadoeba ukeT rom iyos Camoyalibebuli, yvelaferi sxvanairad iqneboda. ise, am kuTxiT progress namdvilad vatyob, optimisti var da imedi maqvs, rom xelisuflebac Seicvleba da samoqalaqo sazogadoebac nebismieri xelisuflebis mimarT, romelic momavalSi mova, gacilebiT momzadebuli da kritikuli iqneba. _ xelisuflebis Secvlis Tqve- neuli modeli rogoria? _ SeiZleba, dameTanxmoT an ar dameTanxmoT, magram me ase vfiqrob: roca xelisufleba mcire marginalur jgufebs eyrdnoba, es imas niSnavs, rom is ukve damarcx- Tekasac daesxnen Tavs da maSin, maxsovs, davwere, _ wignebs nu erCiT, wignis wakiTxva kargia-meTqi! _ batono zaal, Tqveni azriT, es mcire agresiuli jgufebi xe- lisuflebisgan finansdebian Tu, slengiT rom vTqvaT, „vinuJdeni” arian, ase moiqcnen, radgan „oc- nebis” vali aqvT? _ gaaCnia. _ ras gaaCnia? _ am adamianebs rom vuyurebdi, iciT, vin gamaxsendnen? _ vin? _ sabWoTa drois agresiuli milicielebi da mokriminalo tipebi. imis Tqma Znelia, damkveTebi maT fuls uxdian Tu sxva ramiT hyavT gamoWerilebi, magram faqti saxezea: TviTonac agresiis matareblebi arian _ SeuZlebelia, nor- Ta da TavSekavebiT qristianuli saqcielia. agresiisa da siZulvilis agresiiTa da siZulviliTve damarcxeba SeuZlebelia _ es gamoricxulia! _ mcire agresiuli jgufebi TavianT qmedebas imiT amarTle- ben, rom Tu ase ar moiqcevian, „nacionaluri moZraoba” xelisu- flebaSi dabrundeba da qveyanaSi masobrivi terori daiwyeba. _ diax, erTi SexedviT, TiTqos raRac Zaladobas aprotesteben, magram Tu CavuRrmavdebiT, mivxvdebiT, rom saqme mxolod is ar aris, ai, wina xelisuflebam vinmeze iZalada da aman protestis grZnoba gaaCina. iciT, mTavari ra aris? _ kanonmorCilebis mimarT gaCenili protesti, anu im cxra wlis ganmavlo- es Zaladoba mxolod romelime konkretuli politikuri jgufis mimarT ar aris gamovlenili. am SemTxvevaSi, zogadad, Zaladobazea saubari. _ e. i., erTgvarad sabWoTa mentalobis tyveobaSi varT _ mogexsenebaT, bolSevikuri mmarTvelobis dros yvelas an TiTqmis yvelas gvqonda gancda da moTxov- nilebac, rom kanoni unda dagver- Rvia. sxvaTa Soris, axla gamaxsen- da, 2012 wels Cemi erTi nacnobi „ocnebas” mxars uWerda da ambob- da, ai, miSa rom wava, qurdobas daviwyeb da aravin arafers metyviso. _ RmerTi gagaxarebT _ zusti aqcenti dasviT da zusti veqtori gansazRvreT! diax, axla Cven SigniT arsebul ferenciaze Zalian saintereso momxseneblebi iyvnen. megona, rom Cemi qveynis istoriaze cota ufro meti vicodi, vidre _ sxvam, magram am konferenciaze gairkva, rom Zalian bevri ram pirvelad gavige, konkretulad, wera-kiTxvis gamavrcelebeli sazogadoeba rogor da risTvis Seiqmna, ra amocanebi hqonda da am umniSvnelovanes sakiTxTan mimarTebiT adamianebi rogor iqceodnen. _ zaal batono, xom ar geCvenebaT, rom wera-kiTxvis gamavrcelebeli sazogadoebis msgavsis Seqmna dResac aucilebelia? _ zemoxsenebul konferenciaze iTqva da am azrs mec veTanxmebi, rom ruseTis imperiis pirobebSi wera-kiTxvis gamavrcelebeli sazogadoeoba erTgvari arasamTavr- ebulia! _ anu „ocneba” damarcxebulia? _ dRes saubari oponirebaze ar aris _ Cven programebze ar vkama- TobT. xelisuflebis arsenalSi Zaladobisa da Tavdasxmis garda, meti iaraRi ar aris! ai, swored es metyvelebs, rom „ocneba” ukve damarcxebulia, Tumca sxva saqmea, es damarcxeba rodis gaformdeba! rogorc yvela normalur adamians, mec minda, rom es damarcxeba male gaformdes, radgan am siRatakis, umuSevrobisa da qveynidan mosaxleobis gadinebis yureba ukve autanelia! imis nacvlad, rom yvelaferi es moawesrigo, isedac agresiul adamianebs siZulviliT muxtav. amitomac, xelisuflebis momavals pesimisturad vuyureb! 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