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Cultural Surveys Hawai‘i Job Code: HALEA 2 Scoping Meetings and Section 106 TestimonyTable 7. Paūkukalo Community Center - May 1, 2006Agency/IndividualSummary of View and Cultural ConcernsNoActionMitigationSuggestionsForATSTNotStatedMitigationCommentsAudienceSpeakerThe speaker explains that at the first meeting at the Cameron Center, 2005, this personhad asked “…the question about the heat exchange that you have for this building andI had wondered if they could not increase the size of the heat exchanges in order tocool the building more... That way could have a color other than white paint.”None X NoneAudienceSpeakerA person in the audience gets frustrated because Ms. Carney-Nunes is referring to“Native Hawaiians and Indian Tribes”. This person explains, “You know, you keep onreferring to Indian tribes or Native Hawaiians. You're talking about the wrong people.We're not Native - You folks have categorized us. Aboriginal, native, indigenous;these are terminologies that you people have put on us, labeled us. We're KanakaMaoli Hawai‘i. We're not Native Hawaiians.” The speaker goes on, “You'rebelligerently occupying this place. Your law does not apply here. The superior law ofthe land is the domestic law that applies here, the kumukānāwai. The kumukānāwai,what's going on up there is not supposed to happen. So what I'm saying is that whatare you doing here? What are you doing here?”XNone X NoneAudienceSpeakerAn audience member asks the question, “When is a site too sacred to be built upon?Obviously there has to be something in the language that describes when it's alright to,when it's not all right to.” For example, the speaker asks, “Would you construct thison Machu Picchu, Stonehenge, Pasapa, Mt. Fuji, Mt. Everest, and Mt. Sion?”None X NoneAudienceSpeakerAn audience member asks, “…tell us again if you feel that a meeting like this isimportant for everybody and if this project were to go through anyway and it doesn'tmatter what we say, how we feel or how much it's going to hurt us -- now you as alawyer come and tell me if this means that we can stop it because we don't want it tohappen, or you tell me right now that the government doesn't give a damn and it'sgoing to be built anyway.”XNoneNoneAudienceSpeaker“…according to the section 106 process, preserving and enhancing productive use ofhistorical and cultural properties. … how is a 14-story telescope going to enhance it atall?” “The other thing, too, is Haleakalā legally is a TCP, traditional cultural property,federally recognized as a TCP.”None X NoneAudienceThis speaker would like to know why the other sites were not looked into morel l dh d i b h d il f h iNone X NoneAPPENDIX F (2): Supplemental Cultural Impact Assessment For the Proposed AdvancedTechnology Solar Telescope (ATST) at Haleakalā High Altitude ObservatoriesTMK (2) 2-2-07:00855
Cultural Surveys Hawai‘i Job Code: HALEA 2 Scoping Meetings and Section 106 TestimonyAgency/IndividualSummary of View and Cultural ConcernsNoActionMitigationSuggestionsForATSTNotStatedMitigationCommentsSpeakerclosely and had questions about the details of those sites.AudienceSpeakerThe speaker asks, “How were the cultural uses and resources assessed in yourdetermination for selection of the six sites?” The concern of the audience speaker isthat the same emphasis that was placed on the scientific feasibility of the Haleakalāwas not placed on the cultural resources of Haleakalā. Mr. Wagner mentions a reportthat was written that addresses the cultural aspects of Haleakalā, a site evaluationreport, a report that Mr. Jeff Barr prepared in which he stated that the spiritualsignificance of the mountain would be an issue during the public review. According tothis speaker, who had actually had a chance to review this particular report, the reportstated, “...the entire Haleakalā mountain is rich in traditional and spiritual significanceto the indigenous Hawaiian culture” and also, “The presence of observatories on thesummit is considered a desecration by some.” This discussion goes on to explain thatthose making the decision to use Halakalā knew the cultural issues since 2003. Thediscussion then goes on to discuss concerns about sound levels in the areassurrounding the two ahu.None X NoneAudienceSpeakerThis speaker states, “You’re trying to sell us a monstrosity….You're trying to turn anegative into a positive. You can feel the energy. I mean, you can really feel theenergy. It's not positive.”XNoneNoneAudienceSpeakerThe speaker calls attention to the state of the meeting, pointing out that people aregetting impatient and leaving the meeting. The speaker says, “[p]eople came out here -- People are leaving now. What's your purpose here? To listen or no listen or to listento yourself talk? You should know already what the feeling is. Let's get on with theprogram. Listen to the people.”XNoneNoneAudienceSpeakerA person in the audience gives what seems to be an emotional testimony about seeinghis tutu crying.None X NoneAudienceSpeaker“Good science. Wrong place” “…We are not under US law. We are an independentnation. We have never relinquished our nationhood. There is someone sitting in ourseat of government. His name is Sam. We would like to ask him to leave so that wecan fill our own seat with our own people.”XNoneNoneAudienceSpeaker“…we are real people with a real memory. It will not be erased. We will not standhere and act as if that mountain is not important to our people, because it is. And nomatter what kind of projects they propose, it's important to us. We are people.”None X NoneAPPENDIX F (2): Supplemental Cultural Impact Assessment For the Proposed AdvancedTechnology Solar Telescope (ATST) at Haleakalā High Altitude ObservatoriesTMK (2) 2-2-07:00856
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