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ciaSi korufciaa-meTqi.<br />
_ kaklisa da Txilis nergebis<br />
garda, korufciis sxva magaliTe-<br />
bis dasaxeleba SegiZliaT?<br />
_ yvelafers gadamowmeba unda.<br />
xom vambobdi, veluri nergebi Semodis-meTqi.<br />
ai, axla, komisiis Seqmnas<br />
moviTxov, raTa Semowmdes,<br />
aWaris soflis meurneobaSi korufcia<br />
aris Tu ara.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, bujetidan araer-<br />
Ti arafrismomcemi proeqti dafinansda,<br />
raSic kolosaluri Tanxa<br />
daixarja. arada, savsebiT SesaZlebeli<br />
iyo, rom es Tanxa sxva sferos<br />
ganviTarebas moxmareboda.<br />
_ aWaris umaRlesi sabWos „oc-<br />
nebis” umravlesoba, ase vTqvaT,<br />
antikorufciuli komisiis Seqmnas<br />
mxars dauWers?<br />
_ Tu ar dauWers, sazogadoeba<br />
amasac gaigebs.<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, wlebis ganmav-<br />
lobaSi yuradRebas kidev erT<br />
problemaze amaxvilebdiT da am-<br />
bobdiT, aWaraSi aralegaluri<br />
saswavleblebi arsebobs, sadac<br />
muslim sasuliero pirebs amzade-<br />
beno. umaRles sabWoSi am Temasac<br />
xom ar wamowevT?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, wamovwev. simar-<br />
Tle giTxraT, jer bolomde ar<br />
var garkveuli, reglamentiT risi<br />
ufleba maqvs, magram erTi cxadia:<br />
aWaraSi raRac religiuri saswavleblebi<br />
ixsneba.<br />
_ es saswavleblebi safrTxis<br />
Semcveli ratom aris?<br />
_ saerTod, tradiciuli islamis<br />
winaaRmdegi ar var _ aWaraSi<br />
tradiciuli islami iyo da axlac<br />
aris, magram amas garda, aWaraSi<br />
sxvadasxva muslimuri dajgufeba<br />
arsebobs.<br />
aseve salafitebic arian. salafizmi,<br />
rogorc vici, vahabizmis<br />
erT-erTi ganStoebaa, rasac unda<br />
SevebrZoloT imitom, rom es terorizmis<br />
budea. iciT, didi memed<br />
abaSiZe ras ambobda? _ Cvens qarTvel<br />
ZmebTan erTad muslimi Zmebic<br />
varTo. vahabistebisTvis ki qarTveli<br />
Zma ar arsebobs! maTTvis Zma<br />
mxolod muslimia da meti aravin!<br />
xvdebiT, ra Sorsmimavali gegmebi<br />
aqvT?<br />
mokled, Cven unda SevecadoT,<br />
im muslimuri skolebis saswavlo<br />
programebi ganaTlebis saministrom<br />
daamticos. dRes aravin icis,<br />
aseT saswavleblebSi ras aswavlian!<br />
amas garda, iciT, kidev ra<br />
kanonia misaRebi?<br />
_ ra kanoni?<br />
_ maT, vinc TurqeTSi, iransa Tu<br />
arabeTSi religiur ganaTlebas<br />
miiRebs da ukan dabrundeba, saqar-<br />
TveloSi maRali Tanamdebobis<br />
dakavebis ufleba ar unda hqondeT!<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ magaliTad, TurqeTSi erdoRanma<br />
kanoni miiRo, romlis<br />
Tanaxmadac, molas, romelsac ganaTleba<br />
sxva qveyanaSi aqvs miRebuli,<br />
Tanamdebobis dakavebis<br />
ufleba ar aqvs da mas SeuZlia,<br />
ubralod, mola iyos da sasuliero<br />
ierarqiaSi win ver wava.<br />
_ SeiZleba, meSleba, magram<br />
analogiuri kanoni, mgoni, azer-<br />
baijanSic moqmedebs.<br />
_ aseTi kanoni saqarTveloSic<br />
unda miviRoT da ratom ar SeiZleba,<br />
rom, magaliTad, Tbilisis saxelmwifo<br />
universitetSi specialuri<br />
fakulteti gaixsnas, sadac axalgazrdebi<br />
Teologias Seiswavlian?<br />
_ ucxoeTSi religiis skolad-<br />
amTavrebulma xalxma saqarTvel-<br />
oSi maRali Tanamdeboba mainc,<br />
ratom ar unda daikavos?<br />
_ imitom, rom am xalxis mentaliteti<br />
Secvlilia da qarTul<br />
interesebs veRar gaatarebs.<br />
`roca aikrZaleba, `nacionalur moZraobasTan~ ai, maSin aRar viTanamSromleb!<br />
minda, sworad gamigoT, laparaki razea: vTqvaT, `nacionaluri moZraoba~<br />
konstruqciuli winadadebiT gamovida da raxan `nacionaluri moZraobaa~, ra<br />
vqna, am konstruqciul winadadebas ignorireba gavukeTo? yvelafers, rac Cemi<br />
kuTxisTvis sasikeTo iqneba, aucileblad davuWer mxars!~<br />
_ am iniciativis Tundac kanonproeqtis<br />
doneze ganxilva, vf-<br />
qirob, did aJiotaJs gamoiwvevs.<br />
_ SeiZleba, magram Tu Teologiis<br />
Seswavla ginda, maincdamainc<br />
TurqeTSi ratom unda waxvide? Tu<br />
vinmes muftoba unda, keTili inebos<br />
da religiuri ganaTleba<br />
saqarTveloSi miiRos!<br />
damerwuneT, im axalgazrdebis<br />
99 procenti, vinc religiur ganaTlebas<br />
TurqTsa da iranSi iRebs,<br />
saqarTveloSi qarTuli azrovnebiT<br />
aRar brundeba. swored es<br />
xalxi qmnis dRes aWaraSi problemebs<br />
da meti aravin!<br />
_ batono merab, am sakiTxs,<br />
vatyob, kargad icnobT da isic<br />
gecodinebaT, axalgazrdebi TurqeTSi,<br />
iransa da sxva aziur qveynebSi<br />
religiuri ganaTlebis mis-<br />
aRebad rogor xvdebian?<br />
_ Zalian didi dafinanseba modis,<br />
specialurad gaWirvebul<br />
ojaxebs arCeven, maTi Svilebi mihyavT<br />
da yvelanair privilegias<br />
uqmnian _ aswavlian, sacxovrebli-<br />
Ta da sakvebiTac uzrunvelyofen.<br />
_ anu eWvobT, rom yvelafer<br />
amis ukan ucxouri specsamsaxure-<br />
bi dganan?<br />
_ diax.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, zogs ar unda<br />
aRiaros, magram arsebobs Turqe-<br />
Tis sagareo saqmeTa yofili ministris,<br />
daviT oRlus satelevizio<br />
gancxadeba, sadac is pirdapir<br />
akeTebs miniSnebas, odesme baTums<br />
aucileblad davibrunebTo.<br />
_ batono merab, ukve kanonmde-<br />
beli, anu sajaro piri xarT da<br />
Tqveni nebismieri gancxadeba sa-<br />
zogadoebis mxridan SesaZloa,<br />
sxvanairad iyos aRqmuli. amasTan,<br />
imiTac unda dainteresdeT, ram-<br />
N5 (266) 19.02-25.02.2019 w.<br />
denime dRis win baTumSi moRvawe<br />
Turqma investorma rom ganacxa-<br />
da, _ CemTan movidnen da miTxres,<br />
saqarTvelo unda davtovo,<br />
Torem problemebi Semeqmnebao.<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, uflebadamcveli<br />
var da Tu es adamiani mommar-<br />
Tavs, mis uflebebs, ra Tqma unda,<br />
davicav, magram CemTvis ar moumar-<br />
Tavs.<br />
_ Turqma biznesmenma muqaris<br />
Sesaxeb sajaro gancxadeba gaake-<br />
Ta da es sakmarisi ar aris, rom<br />
misi uflebebi daicvaT?<br />
_ gjeraT, rom masTan vinme mivida<br />
da uTxra, aqedan wadi, Torem<br />
problemebi Segeqmnebao?<br />
_ amaSi daujerebeli ra aris,<br />
miT umetes, rom TurqeTisa Tu<br />
iranis moqalaqeebis winaaRmdeg<br />
saqarTveloSi saprotesto aqcia<br />
araerTxel gamarTula.<br />
_ me ar mjera.<br />
_ ratom ar gjeraT?<br />
_ imitom ar mjera, rom SeiZleba,<br />
am adamians rame danaSauli<br />
hqonda Cadenili, Torem ver warmomidgenia,<br />
dRes aWaraSi vinme investorTan<br />
mivides da qveynis datoveba<br />
mosTxovos. piriqiT, investorebs<br />
mivesalmebiT.<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, im politikuri<br />
partiis warmomadgeneli xarT,<br />
romelic baTumSi meCeTis mSene-<br />
blobis winaaRmdeg gamarTuli<br />
aqciebis avangardSi idga.<br />
_ ara, es Zalian didi Secdomaa.<br />
_ Secdoma ratom aris? ra, „pa-<br />
triotTa aliansi” baTumSi meCeT-<br />
is mSeneblobas ar aprotestebda?<br />
_ piradad me var imis iniciatori,<br />
rom baTumSi ase vTqvaT,<br />
erTi qolgis qveS aSendes meCeTic,<br />
marTlmadidebluri da kaTolikuri<br />
eklesiebi da aseve sinagogac.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, es idea, jer<br />
kidev, maSin gaJRerda, roca qalaqis<br />
Tavi andronikaSvili iyo, magram<br />
maSin am ideis ganxorcielebas<br />
pirvelma msoflio omma SeuSala<br />
xeli. am ideis Sesaxeb molaparakebebi<br />
muslimebTan gvaqvs, romlebmac<br />
es wamowyeba kargad miiRes.<br />
axla am ideis Sesaxeb molaparakebas<br />
sapatriarqosTan vapirebT.<br />
„patriotTa aliansi” qarTuli<br />
meCeTis aSenebis winaaRmdeg arasodes<br />
gamosula. es tyuili da<br />
cudi Jurnalistebis mier aris<br />
interpretirebuli!<br />
_ ukacravad, Jurnalistebs<br />
raSi gvdebT brals?<br />
_ Cven azizies saxelobis meCe-<br />
Tis winaaRmdegebi viyaviT, romelic<br />
TurqeTis daJinebuli moTxovniT<br />
baTumis centrSi unda<br />
aSenebuliyo. sinamdvileSi, es meCe-<br />
Ti ki ara TurqeTis dazvervis<br />
raRac centri iqneboda.<br />
Tu meCeTi gvinda, mas adgilobrivi<br />
mosaxleobis gamokiTxviT<br />
avaSenebT da ara _ TurqeTis moTxovniT!<br />
_ batono merab, Tqveni ganvlili<br />
cxovreba imis Tqmis safuZvels<br />
maZlevs, rom revolucionerad<br />
da meamboxed Segracx-<br />
oT. amboxebebsa da minirevolu-<br />
ciebs aWaris umaRles sabWoSic<br />
xom ar moawyobT xolme?<br />
_ ara, me mxolod da mxolod simarTles<br />
vityvi! weRandeli Tqmisa<br />
vin aris da ra gegmebi aqvs<br />
zaza oquaSvilis Semcvlels?<br />
ar iyos, Casafrebuli ar var!<br />
_ anu „ocnebas” SeurigdiT?<br />
_ ara! „ocnebas” rogor Sevurigdebi,<br />
roca Cemi qveyana ukan<br />
da ukan midis, magram xom SeiZleba,<br />
rame kargi gaakeTos da amas<br />
mxolod mivesalmebi! Tu „ocneba”<br />
sisuleleebs gaakeTebs, ra Tqma<br />
unda, Tavs Sevaklav!<br />
_ Svidi welia, „ocneba” xelis-<br />
uflebaSia da Tu pirvel periods<br />
ar CavTvliT, mmarTvel gunds mudam<br />
akritikebT da ratom ggoni-<br />
aT, rom axla kargs gaakeTebs?<br />
sxvaTa Soris, maxsovs, aqtiurad<br />
ibrZodiT baTumis „ocnebis qala-<br />
qis” mosaxleobis uflebebisTvis,<br />
aseve bankebisa da kerZo mevaxSee-<br />
bisgan dazaralebulebsac icav-<br />
diT. es problemebi arc dRes<br />
mogvarebula...<br />
_ ras hqvia, es problemebi damaviwyda?<br />
ipoTekiT dazaralebul-<br />
ebs dResac gverdiT vudgavar.<br />
_ umaRles sabWoSi am kuTxiT<br />
ar imuSavebT?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, aucileblad.<br />
saerTod, problema uamravia.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, iTqva, rom „ocnebis<br />
qalaqSi” asi milioni Caideba,<br />
magram sainteresoa, rodis?<br />
„ocnebis qalaqis” mcxovreblebi<br />
iTxovdnen, miwa mogveciT, anu<br />
sadme dagvasaxleTo, magram es<br />
problema meSvide welia, gaiwela.<br />
bavSvebi gaizardnen da am xalxis<br />
pirobac Seicvala.<br />
_ „ocnebis qalaqis” mosaxleo-<br />
ba dRes ras iTxovs?<br />
_ baTumSi gazrdili bavSvi<br />
sacxovreblad ninowmindasa da<br />
walkaSi aRar wava. amitom xelisuflebam<br />
sakuTari Secdoma Tavadve<br />
unda gamoasworos da „ocnebis<br />
qalaqis” adgilas korpusebi aaSenos,<br />
sadac es xalxi dasaxldeba. es<br />
moTxovna xelisuflebam gaigo da<br />
ramdenime kviris win riJvaZem ganacxada,<br />
am teritoriaze korpusebis<br />
mSenebloba daiwyebao. es ar<br />
unda gamixardes da amas ar unda<br />
mivesalmo? ai, aseT konstruqciul<br />
urTierTobazea saubari.<br />
_ gasagebia, magram Tqvens kon-<br />
struqciulobas zogma SesaZloa,<br />
sxva sarCuli gamoakeros da Tqvas,<br />
„patriotebi” ocnebasTan Tan-<br />
amSromlobeno.<br />
_ „qarTuli ocneba” „patriot-<br />
Ta alianss” ufro ebrZvis, vidre<br />
_ „nacionalur moZraobas”!<br />
_ es saidan moitaneT?<br />
_ axlave getyviT: igive saprezidento<br />
arCevnebSi iZulebulebi<br />
viyaviT, salome zurabiSvilisTvis<br />
migveca xma da Cveni mxardamWerebis<br />
mobilizeba gagvekeTebina.<br />
_ ratom gaxdiT iZulebuli,<br />
rom zurabiSvilisTvis dageWiraT<br />
mxari?<br />
_ iZulebulebi imitom gavxdiT,<br />
rom „nacionalebis” dabrunebis<br />
winapiroba ar Seqmniliyo. or kedels<br />
Sua amitomac gaviWyliteT, magram<br />
imedi maqvs, rom Zalian male<br />
kidev ufr gavZlierdebiT da xalxic<br />
mixvdeba, rom „patriotTa aliansi”<br />
is politikuri Zalaa, romelsac<br />
saxelmwifos marTva SeuZlia.<br />
_ mainc ver damisabuTeT, raSi<br />
gamoixateba, rom „qarTuli ocne-<br />
ba” „patriotTa alianss” Tundac<br />
aWaraSi ebrZvis?<br />
_ 2016 wels gagaxsenebT, roca<br />
arCevnebamde zustad 20 dRiT<br />
adre „patriotTa aliansma” baTumis<br />
eras moedanze, daaxloebiT, 20-<br />
25 aTasi adamiani SevkribeT, magram<br />
iciT, ceskom ra dawera?<br />
_ ra?<br />
_ ceskom dawera, rom aWaraSi<br />
TiTqos mxolod xuTi aTasma amomrCevelma<br />
mogvca xma. es xom absurdia<br />
da vin daijerebs? saboloo<br />
jamSi, aWaris umaRles sabWoSi<br />
erTi kaciT SevediT da es maSin,<br />
roca, minimum, oTxi deputati<br />
unda gvyoloda.<br />
_ laparakia, rom SesaZloa, va-<br />
damdeli saparlamento arCevnebi<br />
dainiSnos. Tu ase moxda, deputa-<br />
tis mandatis datoveba mogiwevT.<br />
am mocemulobaSi, ar gerCiaT, rom<br />
isev garedan gebrZolaT?<br />
_ giTxariT da kidev geubnebiT:<br />
CemTvis aWaris umaRlesi sabWos<br />
wevroba Tanamdeboba ki ara, tribunaa,<br />
rom xelisuflebas Cemi<br />
kuTxis, Cemi aWaris mosaxleobis<br />
satkivari metad davanaxo!<br />
rac Seexeba vadamdel arCevnebs,<br />
jer amaze partiis liderebTan ar<br />
misaubria, Tumca Cems pirad pozicias<br />
getyviT: aWaraSi „patriotTa<br />
alianss” Zalian didi reitingi aqvs<br />
da Tu undaT, vadamdeli arCevnebi<br />
xvalve daniSnon! xalxi xedavs,<br />
rom mis gverdiT vdgavarT da diax,<br />
swored Cven varT is Zala, romelsac<br />
SeuZlia, raRac gaakeTos!<br />
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