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giorgi abaSiZe<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
ukve cnobilia, rom 10 marts „eqspojorjiaSi” Tako Carkvi-<br />
anis partiis _ „kanoni da samarTali” prezentacia gaimarTeba.<br />
vin iqnebian saxalxo poet jansuR Carkvianis Svilis Tanagundelebi?<br />
_ es sakiTxi, am etapze, nawilobriv gasaidumloebulia,<br />
Tumca „qronika+”-ma gaarkvia, rom Tako Carkvianis partiis<br />
liderSifi axalgazrdebiTa da im adamianebiT dakompleqt-<br />
deba, romlebic sxvadasxva profesiaSi warmatebulebi arian<br />
da sazogadoebis ndobiTac sargebloben.<br />
axali partiis erT-erTi saxe<br />
26 wlis giorgi cobexiaa. giorgi<br />
soxumelia _ ori Tvis iyo, afx-<br />
azeTis omi rom daiwyo da misma<br />
ojaxma qalaqi datova. marTalia,<br />
giorgi TbilisSi gaizarda, magram<br />
ambobs, rom soxums mainc Tavis<br />
qalaqad miiCnevs da afxazeTTanac<br />
bevri ram akavSirebs.<br />
giorgi iuristia _ ilias saxelmwifo<br />
universitetis magis-<br />
traturaSi swavlobs. amasTan,<br />
advokatobis gamocdilebac aqvs.<br />
2018 wlis oqtombramde is erTerTi<br />
saxelmwifo uwyebis iurid-<br />
iul departamentSi muSaobda,<br />
saidanac imis gamo gamouSves, rom<br />
Svilmokluli mamis, zaza saral-<br />
iZis mxardamWer aqciaze sityviT<br />
gamovida, anu, SeiZleba iTqvas,<br />
rom giorgi cobexias samsaxuri<br />
politikur represiebs Seewira.<br />
axali partiis axali saxe „qro-<br />
nika+”-Tan imis Sesaxeb saubrobs,<br />
politikaSi ris gakeTebas apirebs<br />
da aqve imasac ganmartavs, Tu ra-<br />
tom aris kargi, rom adamianebi<br />
politikasa da, zogadad, xelisuflebaSi<br />
sufTa warsuliT movid-<br />
nen:<br />
_ saxelmwifo samsaxuridan<br />
sakuTari surviliT wamoxvedi Tu<br />
gamogiSves?<br />
_ samsaxuridan wamosvlaze gancxadeba<br />
piradi surviliT davwere,<br />
Tumca es politikur sakiTxs ukav-<br />
Sirdeboda.<br />
_ anu?<br />
_ zaza saraliZis mxardamWer<br />
aqciaze sityviT gamovedi da amis<br />
Semdeg yvelaferi air-dairia. am<br />
sakiTxze saubari ar minda, radgan<br />
iq Cemi megobrebi muSaoben da Sesa-<br />
Zloa, problemebi maTac SeeqmnaT,<br />
Tan am ambavSi Cemi uSualo xelmZRvaneli<br />
damnaSave ar aris.<br />
_ e. i., Sens uSualo xelmZRv-<br />
anels davaleba zemodan misces?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. samarTlebrivi<br />
dava rom damewyo, asidan asive<br />
sasamarTlos movigebdi, radgan<br />
sxva Tu araferi, samsaxuridan gan-<br />
Tavisuflebis Sesaxeb erTi TviT<br />
adre unda gavefrTxilebine...<br />
_ erTi sityviT, politikuri<br />
represiebis msxverpli xar, ara?<br />
_ marTalia, problemebi mxolod<br />
samsaxurSi Semeqmna da vTq-<br />
26<br />
vaT, policiaSi ar davubarebivarT,<br />
magram diax, politikuri represia<br />
sakuTar Tavze gamovcade.<br />
_ da amis Semdeg gadawyvite,<br />
rom aqtiuri politikuri saqmi-<br />
anoba dagewyo?<br />
_ roca usamarTloba xdeba, pasuxi<br />
aucileblad unda gasce. Tu<br />
ase ar moiqcevi, maSin qudi unda<br />
daixuro da am qveynidan saerTod<br />
waxvide... imaSi axali araferia, rom<br />
saqarTveloSi adamianebs politikuri<br />
niSniT devnian _ es adrec<br />
xdeboda da dResac xdeba, magram<br />
Cveni mizani da mTvari amocanaa,<br />
rom aseTi raRac xval aRar moxdes.<br />
_ giorgi, es pirveli usamarT-<br />
loba iyo, romelsac „ocnebis”<br />
saqarTveloSi SeeCexe?<br />
_ samwuxarod, usamarTlobas<br />
Zalian xSirad vawydebiT, magram es<br />
Zalian agresiuli usamarTloba<br />
iyo.<br />
_ zaza saraliZis mxardamWer<br />
aqciaze gamosvlamde protestis<br />
gancda ar gqonia?<br />
_ ki, rogor ar mqonia. magali-<br />
Tad, 2015 wels, roca fexburTis<br />
federaciis prezidentis arCevnebi<br />
iyo da, megobrebTan erTad<br />
Zalian bevri samarTaldarRveva<br />
gamovaaSkarave... sxva bevr axalgazrdul<br />
aqciaSic mimiRia monawileoba.<br />
Cemi arasamTavrobo organizaciac<br />
mqonda, Tumca partiuli<br />
ar vyofilvar...<br />
CemTvis prorusuli Zalebi<br />
yovelTvis miuRebeli iyo da axlac<br />
asea. sxvanairad arc SeiZleba<br />
_ sxva Tu araferi, soxumeli var<br />
da prorusuloba CemTvis wiTeli<br />
xazia!<br />
_ Tu moqalaqeobriv pozicias<br />
aqamdec aqtiurad afiqsirebdi,<br />
romelime partiis wevri ratom ar<br />
gaxdi da maincdamainc axla ratom<br />
gadawyvite, rom „kanonsa da samar-<br />
Tals” SeuerTde?<br />
_ saqarTvelo partiebis naklebobas<br />
ar ganicdis _ 300-ze meti<br />
partiaa, arsebobs personaluri<br />
damokidebuleba da aseve konkretuli<br />
ideologiuri xazi, romelic<br />
CemTvis miuRebelia. am SemTxveva-<br />
Si partiis lideris, Tako Carkvianis<br />
personam Zalian didi roli<br />
iTamaSa, rom es nabiji gadamedga<br />
giorgi cobexia:<br />
`qveynidan<br />
wasvlas<br />
vapirebdi,<br />
magram partia<br />
`kanoni da<br />
samarTali~<br />
CemTvis bolo<br />
imedia!~<br />
da partiis wevri gavmxdariyavi. am<br />
ojaxs mTeli saqarTvelo icnobs<br />
da zustad vici, qalbatoni TakosTvis<br />
qveynis deokupacia umniSvnelovanesia.<br />
amas garda, Tako Carkvianis<br />
ganuxreli evropuli kursisac<br />
mjera.<br />
saerTod, sami sakiTxia, rac minda,<br />
rom Cvenma qveyanam rogorme<br />
gadalaxos.<br />
_ es ra sakiTxebia?<br />
_ evropuli momavali, teritoriuli<br />
mTlianobis aRdgena da<br />
kanonis uzenaesoba.<br />
_ samive es sakiTxi realobad<br />
xelisuflebam unda aqcios.<br />
opozicia, am SemTxvevaSi, „kanoni<br />
da samarTali”, Tundac qveynis<br />
teritoriuli mTlianobis prob-<br />
lemas rogor moagvarebs?<br />
_ opozicia am sakiTxebs arCevnebis<br />
Semdeg xelisuflebaSi mosvliT<br />
SeZlebs. amasTan, Zlieri<br />
opozicia imis garantiaa, rom xelisuflebam<br />
mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze<br />
TviTneburi politika ar gaataros.<br />
bolo dros xelisufleba<br />
mosaxleobisTvis miuRebel da saxelmwifoebrivad<br />
araswor politikas<br />
xSirad atarebs. ai, Zlieri<br />
opozicia swored imisTvisaa aucilebeli,<br />
rom xelisuflebas amis<br />
neba da ufleba ar misces!<br />
_ weRan Tqvi, saqarTveloSi<br />
300-ze meti partiaao da am parti-<br />
ebidan iseTi erTic ar aris, rom<br />
opozicias ozicias Zlieri oponireba gauwios<br />
da axali politikuri gaer-<br />
Tianeba „kanoni da samarTalis”<br />
Seqmna amitom gaxda aucilebeli?<br />
_ Zlieri opoziciuri partiebi<br />
ki aris, magram sainteresoa, adami-<br />
`kanoni da samarTali~ korufciuli<br />
mentalitetis Sesaxeb sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kodeqsSi Sesabamisi cvlilebis SetaniT<br />
korufciuli mentalitetis kriminalizacias<br />
moaxdens. es cvlileba sisxlis samarTlis<br />
kodeqsSi kriminaluri mentalitetis Sesaxeb<br />
Setanili cvlilebis analogi iqneba~<br />
anebs maTi gulwrfelobis ramdenad<br />
sjeraT. saerTod, politika<br />
xvalindeli keTildReobis mopovebisTvis<br />
brZolaa.<br />
_ es ra SuaSia?<br />
_ am keTildReobis mopovebas<br />
yvela Tavisi meTodiT cdilobs. es<br />
imas ar niSnavs, rom polemikis<br />
dros erTmaneTis mimarT antagonisturad<br />
ganvewyoT.<br />
_ antagonizmi, zogadad, dam-<br />
Rupvelia, magram ver vxvdebi,<br />
saubari saiTken migyavs. amitom<br />
isec CagekiTxebi, _ arsebul partiebs<br />
Zlier opoziciad ar miiC-<br />
nev da fiqrob, rom „kanoni da<br />
samarTali”, realurad, mesame<br />
Zala iqneba?<br />
_ ki batono, uamravi partiaa,<br />
magram SeiZleba, am partiebis gulwrfelobis<br />
ar davijeroT da Cav-<br />
TvaloT, rom isini xelisufleba-<br />
Si mxolod Zalauflebis xelSi<br />
Casagdebad modian da ara imitom,<br />
rom saxelmwifos marTla emsaxuron<br />
da am qveynisTvis kargi gaake-<br />
Ton!<br />
_ ratom ggonia, rom xalxi<br />
„kanonsa da samarTals” daujerebs,<br />
anu sakuTriv Sen rogor dam-<br />
arwmuneb, rom politikaSi piradi<br />
keTildReobisa da Zalauflebis<br />
xelSi Casagdebad ar moxvedi?<br />
_ pasuxs martivad gagcemT.<br />
_ ki batono, gismen.<br />
_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,<br />
Tako Carkvianis ojaxs yvela icnobs<br />
da mas rom sxva interesebi<br />
hqondes, am sxva interesebis dakmayofilebas<br />
SeZlebda.<br />
_ geTanxmebi, Tako Carkviansa<br />
da mis ojaxs sazogadoeba icnobs,<br />
magram Sen sruliad axali saxe<br />
xar da Sen Sesaxeb araferi vic-<br />
iT...<br />
_ ar mgonia, vinmem Cemze Tqvas,<br />
rom gulwrfeli ar var. sufTa<br />
warsuli maqvs _ iseT politikur<br />
bataliebSi CarTuli arasodes vyofilvar,<br />
romlis gamoc SesaZloa,<br />
vinmem ifiqros, rom politikur<br />
saqmianobas merkantiluri miznebisTvis<br />
viwyeb.<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, Tavis droze,<br />
mixeil saakaSvilic politikaSi<br />
sufTa warsuliT movida, magram<br />
mis mimarT xalxis damokidebule-<br />
ba dRes araerTgvarovania. ase<br />
rom, sufTa warsuli, apriori, ga-<br />
rantia ar aris.<br />
_ gasagebia, rom mxolod suf-<br />
Ta warsuli sakmarisi ar aris. ise,<br />
maincdamainc saakaSvilis magali-<br />
Tis moyvana saWiro araa, roca arsebul<br />
xelisuflebaSic arian adamianebi,<br />
romlebsac xelisufleba-<br />
Si mosvlamde sufTa warsuli hqondaT.<br />
magaliTad, aravis egona, rom<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis mTavroba korufciiT<br />
dakavdeboda, radgan ivaniSvili<br />
miliarderia. imasac veravin<br />
warmoidgenda, rom is moxdeboda,<br />
rac dRes xdeba, magram mTeli<br />
gundi korufciaSia Cafluli.<br />
_ 2012 wels „qarTuli ocneb-<br />
is” mxardamWeri iyavi?<br />
_ diax, 2012 wels „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
miveci xma. metic, erT saidumlosac<br />
gavamxel: maSin savaldebulo<br />
samxedro samsaxurs gavdiodi.<br />
im dRes, roca e. w. cixis kadrebi<br />
gavrcelda, samxedro samsaxur-<br />
Si Cemi cvla ar iyo da megobrebTan<br />
erTad gldanis cixesTan wavedi.<br />
maxsovs, maSinve damirekes da<br />
miTxres, _ sagangebo viTareba cxaddeba,<br />
samxedro nawilis mobilizeba<br />
unda moxdes da nawilSi modio.<br />
_ mixvedi?<br />
_ ara... telefoni gavTiSe... zogadad,<br />
roca qveyanaSi rame Zalian<br />
cudi xdeba, Tu amaze reagireba ar<br />
gveqneba, es imas niSnavs, rom Cveni<br />
momavlisTvis Zalian cuds vakeT-<br />
26 N5 (266) 19.02-25.02.2019 w.