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vin iqnebian saxalxo poet jansuR Carkvianis Svilis Tanagundelebi?<br />

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26 wlis giorgi cobexiaa. giorgi<br />

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bevri ram akavSirebs.<br />

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universitetis magis-<br />

traturaSi swavlobs. amasTan,<br />

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saxelmwifo uwyebis iurid-<br />

iul departamentSi muSaobda,<br />

saidanac imis gamo gamouSves, rom<br />

Svilmokluli mamis, zaza saral-<br />

iZis mxardamWer aqciaze sityviT<br />

gamovida, anu, SeiZleba iTqvas,<br />

rom giorgi cobexias samsaxuri<br />

politikur represiebs Seewira.<br />

axali partiis axali saxe „qro-<br />

nika+”-Tan imis Sesaxeb saubrobs,<br />

politikaSi ris gakeTebas apirebs<br />

da aqve imasac ganmartavs, Tu ra-<br />

tom aris kargi, rom adamianebi<br />

politikasa da, zogadad, xelisuflebaSi<br />

sufTa warsuliT movid-<br />

nen:<br />

_ saxelmwifo samsaxuridan<br />

sakuTari surviliT wamoxvedi Tu<br />

gamogiSves?<br />

_ samsaxuridan wamosvlaze gancxadeba<br />

piradi surviliT davwere,<br />

Tumca es politikur sakiTxs ukav-<br />

Sirdeboda.<br />

_ anu?<br />

_ zaza saraliZis mxardamWer<br />

aqciaze sityviT gamovedi da amis<br />

Semdeg yvelaferi air-dairia. am<br />

sakiTxze saubari ar minda, radgan<br />

iq Cemi megobrebi muSaoben da Sesa-<br />

Zloa, problemebi maTac SeeqmnaT,<br />

Tan am ambavSi Cemi uSualo xelmZRvaneli<br />

damnaSave ar aris.<br />

_ e. i., Sens uSualo xelmZRv-<br />

anels davaleba zemodan misces?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda. samarTlebrivi<br />

dava rom damewyo, asidan asive<br />

sasamarTlos movigebdi, radgan<br />

sxva Tu araferi, samsaxuridan gan-<br />

Tavisuflebis Sesaxeb erTi TviT<br />

adre unda gavefrTxilebine...<br />

_ erTi sityviT, politikuri<br />

represiebis msxverpli xar, ara?<br />

_ marTalia, problemebi mxolod<br />

samsaxurSi Semeqmna da vTq-<br />

26<br />

vaT, policiaSi ar davubarebivarT,<br />

magram diax, politikuri represia<br />

sakuTar Tavze gamovcade.<br />

_ da amis Semdeg gadawyvite,<br />

rom aqtiuri politikuri saqmi-<br />

anoba dagewyo?<br />

_ roca usamarTloba xdeba, pasuxi<br />

aucileblad unda gasce. Tu<br />

ase ar moiqcevi, maSin qudi unda<br />

daixuro da am qveynidan saerTod<br />

waxvide... imaSi axali araferia, rom<br />

saqarTveloSi adamianebs politikuri<br />

niSniT devnian _ es adrec<br />

xdeboda da dResac xdeba, magram<br />

Cveni mizani da mTvari amocanaa,<br />

rom aseTi raRac xval aRar moxdes.<br />

_ giorgi, es pirveli usamarT-<br />

loba iyo, romelsac „ocnebis”<br />

saqarTveloSi SeeCexe?<br />

_ samwuxarod, usamarTlobas<br />

Zalian xSirad vawydebiT, magram es<br />

Zalian agresiuli usamarTloba<br />

iyo.<br />

_ zaza saraliZis mxardamWer<br />

aqciaze gamosvlamde protestis<br />

gancda ar gqonia?<br />

_ ki, rogor ar mqonia. magali-<br />

Tad, 2015 wels, roca fexburTis<br />

federaciis prezidentis arCevnebi<br />

iyo da, megobrebTan erTad<br />

Zalian bevri samarTaldarRveva<br />

gamovaaSkarave... sxva bevr axalgazrdul<br />

aqciaSic mimiRia monawileoba.<br />

Cemi arasamTavrobo organizaciac<br />

mqonda, Tumca partiuli<br />

ar vyofilvar...<br />

CemTvis prorusuli Zalebi<br />

yovelTvis miuRebeli iyo da axlac<br />

asea. sxvanairad arc SeiZleba<br />

_ sxva Tu araferi, soxumeli var<br />

da prorusuloba CemTvis wiTeli<br />

xazia!<br />

_ Tu moqalaqeobriv pozicias<br />

aqamdec aqtiurad afiqsirebdi,<br />

romelime partiis wevri ratom ar<br />

gaxdi da maincdamainc axla ratom<br />

gadawyvite, rom „kanonsa da samar-<br />

Tals” SeuerTde?<br />

_ saqarTvelo partiebis naklebobas<br />

ar ganicdis _ 300-ze meti<br />

partiaa, arsebobs personaluri<br />

damokidebuleba da aseve konkretuli<br />

ideologiuri xazi, romelic<br />

CemTvis miuRebelia. am SemTxveva-<br />

Si partiis lideris, Tako Carkvianis<br />

personam Zalian didi roli<br />

iTamaSa, rom es nabiji gadamedga<br />

giorgi cobexia:<br />

`qveynidan<br />

wasvlas<br />

vapirebdi,<br />

magram partia<br />

`kanoni da<br />

samarTali~<br />

CemTvis bolo<br />

imedia!~<br />

da partiis wevri gavmxdariyavi. am<br />

ojaxs mTeli saqarTvelo icnobs<br />

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amas garda, Tako Carkvianis<br />

ganuxreli evropuli kursisac<br />

mjera.<br />

saerTod, sami sakiTxia, rac minda,<br />

rom Cvenma qveyanam rogorme<br />

gadalaxos.<br />

_ es ra sakiTxebia?<br />

_ evropuli momavali, teritoriuli<br />

mTlianobis aRdgena da<br />

kanonis uzenaesoba.<br />

_ samive es sakiTxi realobad<br />

xelisuflebam unda aqcios.<br />

opozicia, am SemTxvevaSi, „kanoni<br />

da samarTali”, Tundac qveynis<br />

teritoriuli mTlianobis prob-<br />

lemas rogor moagvarebs?<br />

_ opozicia am sakiTxebs arCevnebis<br />

Semdeg xelisuflebaSi mosvliT<br />

SeZlebs. amasTan, Zlieri<br />

opozicia imis garantiaa, rom xelisuflebam<br />

mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze<br />

TviTneburi politika ar gaataros.<br />

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mosaxleobisTvis miuRebel da saxelmwifoebrivad<br />

araswor politikas<br />

xSirad atarebs. ai, Zlieri<br />

opozicia swored imisTvisaa aucilebeli,<br />

rom xelisuflebas amis<br />

neba da ufleba ar misces!<br />

_ weRan Tqvi, saqarTveloSi<br />

300-ze meti partiaao da am parti-<br />

ebidan iseTi erTic ar aris, rom<br />

opozicias ozicias Zlieri oponireba gauwios<br />

da axali politikuri gaer-<br />

Tianeba „kanoni da samarTalis”<br />

Seqmna amitom gaxda aucilebeli?<br />

_ Zlieri opoziciuri partiebi<br />

ki aris, magram sainteresoa, adami-<br />

`kanoni da samarTali~ korufciuli<br />

mentalitetis Sesaxeb sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsSi Sesabamisi cvlilebis SetaniT<br />

korufciuli mentalitetis kriminalizacias<br />

moaxdens. es cvlileba sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsSi kriminaluri mentalitetis Sesaxeb<br />

Setanili cvlilebis analogi iqneba~<br />

anebs maTi gulwrfelobis ramdenad<br />

sjeraT. saerTod, politika<br />

xvalindeli keTildReobis mopovebisTvis<br />

brZolaa.<br />

_ es ra SuaSia?<br />

_ am keTildReobis mopovebas<br />

yvela Tavisi meTodiT cdilobs. es<br />

imas ar niSnavs, rom polemikis<br />

dros erTmaneTis mimarT antagonisturad<br />

ganvewyoT.<br />

_ antagonizmi, zogadad, dam-<br />

Rupvelia, magram ver vxvdebi,<br />

saubari saiTken migyavs. amitom<br />

isec CagekiTxebi, _ arsebul partiebs<br />

Zlier opoziciad ar miiC-<br />

nev da fiqrob, rom „kanoni da<br />

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Zala iqneba?<br />

_ ki batono, uamravi partiaa,<br />

magram SeiZleba, am partiebis gulwrfelobis<br />

ar davijeroT da Cav-<br />

TvaloT, rom isini xelisufleba-<br />

Si mxolod Zalauflebis xelSi<br />

Casagdebad modian da ara imitom,<br />

rom saxelmwifos marTla emsaxuron<br />

da am qveynisTvis kargi gaake-<br />

Ton!<br />

_ ratom ggonia, rom xalxi<br />

„kanonsa da samarTals” daujerebs,<br />

anu sakuTriv Sen rogor dam-<br />

arwmuneb, rom politikaSi piradi<br />

keTildReobisa da Zalauflebis<br />

xelSi Casagdebad ar moxvedi?<br />

_ pasuxs martivad gagcemT.<br />

_ ki batono, gismen.<br />

_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,<br />

Tako Carkvianis ojaxs yvela icnobs<br />

da mas rom sxva interesebi<br />

hqondes, am sxva interesebis dakmayofilebas<br />

SeZlebda.<br />

_ geTanxmebi, Tako Carkviansa<br />

da mis ojaxs sazogadoeba icnobs,<br />

magram Sen sruliad axali saxe<br />

xar da Sen Sesaxeb araferi vic-<br />

iT...<br />

_ ar mgonia, vinmem Cemze Tqvas,<br />

rom gulwrfeli ar var. sufTa<br />

warsuli maqvs _ iseT politikur<br />

bataliebSi CarTuli arasodes vyofilvar,<br />

romlis gamoc SesaZloa,<br />

vinmem ifiqros, rom politikur<br />

saqmianobas merkantiluri miznebisTvis<br />

viwyeb.<br />

_ sxvaTa Soris, Tavis droze,<br />

mixeil saakaSvilic politikaSi<br />

sufTa warsuliT movida, magram<br />

mis mimarT xalxis damokidebule-<br />

ba dRes araerTgvarovania. ase<br />

rom, sufTa warsuli, apriori, ga-<br />

rantia ar aris.<br />

_ gasagebia, rom mxolod suf-<br />

Ta warsuli sakmarisi ar aris. ise,<br />

maincdamainc saakaSvilis magali-<br />

Tis moyvana saWiro araa, roca arsebul<br />

xelisuflebaSic arian adamianebi,<br />

romlebsac xelisufleba-<br />

Si mosvlamde sufTa warsuli hqondaT.<br />

magaliTad, aravis egona, rom<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis mTavroba korufciiT<br />

dakavdeboda, radgan ivaniSvili<br />

miliarderia. imasac veravin<br />

warmoidgenda, rom is moxdeboda,<br />

rac dRes xdeba, magram mTeli<br />

gundi korufciaSia Cafluli.<br />

_ 2012 wels „qarTuli ocneb-<br />

is” mxardamWeri iyavi?<br />

_ diax, 2012 wels „qarTul ocnebas”<br />

miveci xma. metic, erT saidumlosac<br />

gavamxel: maSin savaldebulo<br />

samxedro samsaxurs gavdiodi.<br />

im dRes, roca e. w. cixis kadrebi<br />

gavrcelda, samxedro samsaxur-<br />

Si Cemi cvla ar iyo da megobrebTan<br />

erTad gldanis cixesTan wavedi.<br />

maxsovs, maSinve damirekes da<br />

miTxres, _ sagangebo viTareba cxaddeba,<br />

samxedro nawilis mobilizeba<br />

unda moxdes da nawilSi modio.<br />

_ mixvedi?<br />

_ ara... telefoni gavTiSe... zogadad,<br />

roca qveyanaSi rame Zalian<br />

cudi xdeba, Tu amaze reagireba ar<br />

gveqneba, es imas niSnavs, rom Cveni<br />

momavlisTvis Zalian cuds vakeT-<br />

26 N5 (266) 19.02-25.02.2019 w.

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