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of explosive damage.<br />
By putting all of <strong>the</strong>se things toge<strong>the</strong>r and looking at <strong>the</strong> size of<br />
<strong>the</strong> hole I estimated that <strong>the</strong> velocity of detonation was<br />
somewhere between 14,000 and about 15,500 feet per second,<br />
with a little bit of give on each side of that.<br />
. . . .<br />
For example, if we had C4 [a military ordnance] in that World<br />
Trade Center basement, a quantity of it, of course <strong>the</strong> quantity<br />
doesn't matter, over a hundred pounds, because <strong>the</strong> velocity of<br />
detonation of <strong>the</strong> C4 is somewhere around 24,000 feet per<br />
second, give or take, that explosive is very brisan[t], brisance<br />
meaning that that shock wave comes out real quick. When that<br />
shock -- and it doesn't last as long as a slower velocity<br />
explosive. So when that brisance hit <strong>the</strong> target material like steel<br />
-- if you recall in <strong>the</strong> one photograph where it looked like that<br />
steel was torn -- we would see a lot more of that tearing, really<br />
tremendous tearing damage in some of <strong>the</strong> heavier materials<br />
like <strong>the</strong> steel.<br />
If, for example, we go to a slower velocity explosive, let's say<br />
something around 14,000 feet per second, when that detonates<br />
we're going to get more of a pushing, a heaving effect. It's not<br />
going to crack it hard. It's going to gradually build up, but still<br />
very rapidly take hold of that witness material and give it a push<br />
or a shove, and it's not going to crack that material as rapidly.<br />
Q. Is that in fact <strong>the</strong> type of explosive damage that you saw?<br />
A. The pushing and heaving is exactly what I saw in <strong>the</strong> World<br />
Trade Center.<br />
The problem with this testimony is that Williams never explains how <strong>the</strong><br />
observations compute to 14,000-15,500 feet per second. That he