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elieve that sat<strong>an</strong>ic ritual abuse exists, you are wasting your time. If you are trying <strong>to</strong><br />
work with someone who doesn't underst<strong>an</strong>d DID or MPD, you are also wasting your time<br />
because we have no time <strong>to</strong> play, our minds won't allow us <strong>to</strong>, there is no playfield here.<br />
This is a life <strong>an</strong>d death issue. If you are not in the right setting <strong>an</strong>d working with the right<br />
person, they could cost you your life. <strong>The</strong>re is a very high percentage of suicides in<br />
recovery for victims of ritual abuse.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
In your experience Cisco - how import<strong>an</strong>t was it having a strong support system <strong>to</strong> be<br />
able <strong>to</strong> heal?<br />
Cisco Wheeler:<br />
On a one <strong>to</strong> ten scale - it's the <strong>to</strong>p ten. Without a support system, you might as well<br />
forget it in my opinion. I was one of the more fortunate ones in my healing process - I<br />
had Fritz Springmeier who was my support team for m<strong>an</strong>y, m<strong>an</strong>y months <strong>an</strong>d even in<strong>to</strong><br />
years he was there for me, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year,<br />
day in <strong>an</strong>d day out.<br />
<strong>The</strong>rapists have this idea that - <strong>an</strong>d I have heard <strong>to</strong>p therapists say that it's all right <strong>to</strong><br />
work with a survivor - I prefer <strong>to</strong> use the word "victim" because we are continually<br />
victimized, internally <strong>an</strong>d externally. <strong>The</strong>y say, "well we c<strong>an</strong> spend the one or two hours<br />
a week with them <strong>an</strong>d if they get picked up by their h<strong>an</strong>dler, that's okay, because we<br />
have still made progress." I just about died when I heard this the first time. I thought,<br />
m<strong>an</strong>, if you were the one who was picked up by one of your h<strong>an</strong>dlers <strong>an</strong>d you were raped,<br />
or you were gun-raped, or you were bruised as bad as what I have been bruised,<br />
internally <strong>an</strong>d externally, you wouldn't be saying this. When they victimize you <strong>an</strong>d they<br />
traumatize you <strong>an</strong>d they de-program you, only the front part of the system is <strong>to</strong>ld <strong>to</strong> tell<br />
their therapist they are doing very well. <strong>The</strong> programs are so intact, <strong>an</strong>d we are so finetuned<br />
that parts of yourself c<strong>an</strong> be dying internally but part of the system will go <strong>to</strong> work<br />
every day never knowing <strong>an</strong>ything ever happened. It's pathetic. What people do not<br />
underst<strong>an</strong>d is how severe the trauma is when your h<strong>an</strong>dlers get a hold of you <strong>an</strong>d what<br />
you could even do <strong>to</strong> yourself if you don't have someone there. When those programs go<br />
off they are hot - they are hot as they were the day they were put in - whether that was<br />
twenty years or thirty years ago, it doesn't make <strong>an</strong>y difference - they are red-hot - <strong>an</strong>d<br />
when I w<strong>an</strong>ted <strong>to</strong> cut I w<strong>an</strong>ted <strong>to</strong> cut myself - when I w<strong>an</strong>ted <strong>to</strong> burn - I would burn<br />
myself. <strong>The</strong>re were times when I had <strong>to</strong> literally be held down because I couldn't help<br />
myself because the programs were so powerful. <strong>The</strong>rapists don't underst<strong>an</strong>d, neither do<br />
people underst<strong>an</strong>d the depth of the programming - <strong>to</strong> what extreme they went <strong>to</strong> ensure<br />
everything they did <strong>to</strong> us would stay intact <strong>to</strong> be obedient <strong>to</strong> the laws that govern the<br />
<strong>Illuminati</strong>.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
So part of the role of your support team is in helping limit being re-accessed by your<br />
programmers?<br />
Cisco Wheeler:<br />
Oh yeah. And it takes a special individual like Fritz - I c<strong>an</strong> only speak for myself because<br />
I don't know <strong>an</strong>yone else who has been as fortunate as I was <strong>to</strong> have a support person<br />
who stayed with me during those hard times. He stayed with me when it wasn't so hard,<br />
because there are lot of days that are good, days that are bad. Where we got in<strong>to</strong> trouble<br />
- our front system is extremely powerful - very high functioning. <strong>The</strong>y swore up <strong>an</strong>d<br />
down that they weren't being contacted, threatened, no harm had come <strong>to</strong> them in<br />
twenty years as far as they knew. That was their information. It doesn't work that way<br />
because you have amnesia walls, you are not supposed <strong>to</strong> know. <strong>The</strong>y go deep, deep in<strong>to</strong><br />
the system. I know the front part of myself - the alters within the front part of my own<br />
mind - they made contracts with their therapist, with Fritz, with God - there were certain<br />
things they wouldn't do. <strong>The</strong>re were boundaries they wouldn't cross - no, they wouldn't<br />
leave the house at 1 a.m. Well, you have sleep triggers <strong>an</strong>d so forth during certain ritual<br />
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