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of the Antichrist.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
You mentioned that the <strong>Illuminati</strong> group has used mind control <strong>to</strong> further their goals.<br />
How did you first come in<strong>to</strong> this? You have been working with your partner, Cisco<br />
Wheeler, who I underst<strong>an</strong>d was <strong>an</strong> <strong>Illuminati</strong> mind control victim. How did you first meet<br />
<strong>an</strong>d realize what was going on there?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
She was trying <strong>to</strong> break free of her mind control. What I stumbled upon was, at least in<br />
my opinion, the greatest slavery involved in all his<strong>to</strong>ry. You had four high level <strong>Illuminati</strong><br />
women who had been teamed <strong>to</strong>gether. <strong>The</strong>y had all become Christi<strong>an</strong>s <strong>an</strong>d were trying<br />
<strong>to</strong> break free <strong>an</strong>d had become a support system for each other. Here I was a researcher<br />
of the <strong>Illuminati</strong>, there's a lot <strong>to</strong> try <strong>an</strong>d explain. When you are under the mind control,<br />
there is a lot of programming not <strong>to</strong> reveal the secrets. It is very difficult for someone<br />
who has been in the <strong>Illuminati</strong> <strong>an</strong>d received their st<strong>an</strong>dard mind control <strong>to</strong> not divulge<br />
what is going on, so it made it much easier <strong>to</strong> work with me that I had already done my<br />
homework, <strong>an</strong>d they knew I was going <strong>to</strong> underst<strong>an</strong>d what they were talking about. <strong>The</strong>y<br />
didn't have <strong>to</strong> say a lot <strong>to</strong> communicate certain things, because I was already aware <strong>an</strong>d<br />
that saved them from a lot of the grief from the program kicking in for having talked <strong>to</strong>o<br />
much.<br />
Cisco was part of this group attempting <strong>to</strong> escape the mind control, <strong>an</strong>d I got involved in<br />
their lives <strong>an</strong>d did what I could <strong>to</strong> help them. I brought Cisco out of the <strong>Illuminati</strong> <strong>an</strong>d in<br />
return my learning curve about the <strong>Illuminati</strong> was greatly increased because I was given<br />
inside information from these people <strong>an</strong>d a number of other people. Like I say, trying <strong>to</strong><br />
underst<strong>an</strong>d the secret org<strong>an</strong>ization, the secret bloodlines is very difficult, because one<br />
has <strong>to</strong> st<strong>an</strong>d outside of one's own culture <strong>an</strong>d own way of thinking <strong>an</strong>d underst<strong>an</strong>d these<br />
people as they think, <strong>an</strong>d they do not think like we do. Being able <strong>to</strong> work with these<br />
people who were in the <strong>Illuminati</strong> was very valuable.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Because they have used mind control techniques on their own family members<br />
throughout the years?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
Oh yes. <strong>The</strong>y have been carrying out this mind control on their own people as well as<br />
others for centuries <strong>an</strong>d this has all been a very closely guarded secret. It's one of the<br />
reasons why they have been able <strong>to</strong> carry out so much <strong>to</strong> implement this New World<br />
Order without people being able <strong>to</strong> figure out there is such a thing as a worldwide unified<br />
conspiracy. <strong>The</strong>y are very skilled in knowing how <strong>to</strong> bring things about so they appear<br />
natural.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
What is the purpose of them using mind control on their own family members?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
It's really essential. If you are going <strong>to</strong> participate in the <strong>Illuminati</strong> secret life, being a<br />
programmed multiple is basic. <strong>The</strong>re are a few in the <strong>Illuminati</strong> who aren't programmed<br />
multiples, but considering what one has <strong>to</strong> participate in. You've got a number of<br />
st<strong>an</strong>dard rituals involved - St. Weinbald, St. Agnes, Gr<strong>an</strong>d Climax, Walpurgis, Belt<strong>an</strong>e, all<br />
your solstices <strong>an</strong>d equinoxes, Lamas, All Hallow's Eve, High Gr<strong>an</strong>d Climax -- all of these<br />
st<strong>an</strong>dard rituals. <strong>The</strong>se rituals are very horrific. <strong>The</strong>y involved hum<strong>an</strong> sacrifice. Sacrifices<br />
of babies on the High Gr<strong>an</strong>d Climax. On various Sabbats you've got a young female or a<br />
male being sacrificed.<br />
This is not something that the normal mind is going <strong>to</strong> be able <strong>to</strong> h<strong>an</strong>dle. <strong>The</strong> mind<br />
control <strong>an</strong>d the creation of multiple personalities where you get a Dr. Jekyll <strong>an</strong>d Mr. Hyde<br />
effect - is very crucial <strong>to</strong> this thing continuing from generation <strong>to</strong> generation.<br />
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