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iomedical telemetry - these are tr<strong>an</strong>smitters <strong>an</strong>d receivers located at the base of the<br />
skull which record the body functions <strong>an</strong>d the brain waves, <strong>an</strong>d send it back <strong>to</strong> some<br />
computer somewhere. In fact in working with victims of electronic mind control I c<strong>an</strong> say<br />
with certainty that is what is being done is that there are computers that are<br />
programmed with artificial intelligence that are their h<strong>an</strong>dlers. Rather th<strong>an</strong> having a<br />
hum<strong>an</strong> h<strong>an</strong>dler day in <strong>an</strong>d out, three shifts of hum<strong>an</strong> h<strong>an</strong>dlers controlling the victim of<br />
electronic mind control, they have computers with A.I. <strong>The</strong>n if the victim does something<br />
that throws the computer, the computer will signal a hum<strong>an</strong> <strong>to</strong> come <strong>an</strong>d get involved.<br />
It's been kind of interesting, the s<strong>to</strong>ries that victims have <strong>to</strong>ld me about how they<br />
outsmarted the computers that were trying <strong>to</strong> h<strong>an</strong>dle them.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
I would like <strong>to</strong> talk about, <strong>an</strong>d you have mentioned the name, Josef Mengele. What role<br />
did Josef Mengele play in developing mind control?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
He is like the father of modern programming. Prior <strong>to</strong> Josef Mengele, the <strong>Illuminati</strong> had<br />
created MPD, but the training of those personalities had been non-scientific. Mengele<br />
worked a lot with twins, underst<strong>an</strong>ding trauma <strong>an</strong>d how <strong>to</strong> use trauma. If somebody is<br />
about <strong>to</strong> die <strong>an</strong>d they are rescued by their programmer, they trauma-bond with that<br />
programmer. He learned how <strong>to</strong> trauma-bond his victims <strong>to</strong> him. A lot of victims of mind<br />
control in Israel <strong>an</strong>d other parts of the world still refer <strong>to</strong> him as "Papa", they love him.<br />
And if the programmer knows what he's doing, he c<strong>an</strong> <strong>to</strong>tally trauma-bond that victim <strong>to</strong><br />
him <strong>to</strong> where they love the programmer.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
It's like the S<strong>to</strong>ckholm Syndrome ...<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
He was taking programming in<strong>to</strong> the world of science. In J<strong>an</strong>uary 1945, when it was very<br />
clear that the Nazis were going <strong>to</strong> lose, the <strong>Illuminati</strong> smuggled him out in<strong>to</strong> the West<br />
where he continued doing programming. I have worked with a number of his mind<br />
control victims. One of his victims, a lady here in this area, was actually in a<br />
concentration camp with Mengele; as a child was experimented on <strong>an</strong>d watched those<br />
horrors <strong>an</strong>d had mind control done in the concentration camps. And then she was<br />
smuggled via the Ratline actually through your country, C<strong>an</strong>ada, came through the<br />
Catholic Church collabora<strong>to</strong>rs, brought her through Quebec <strong>an</strong>d then <strong>to</strong> Portl<strong>an</strong>d. And<br />
Josef Mengele continued his mind control here in the States.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Was Mengele involved in mind control experiments previous <strong>to</strong> WWII?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
I don't believe so. He was in the <strong>Illuminati</strong>. His family is <strong>Illuminati</strong>, but I don't have <strong>an</strong>y<br />
knowledge of him doing it prior <strong>to</strong> the War. Of course I don't know the whole s<strong>to</strong>ry there.<br />
But there was some reason as <strong>to</strong> why he was chosen for the position that he received.<br />
<strong>The</strong>re may be more <strong>to</strong> the s<strong>to</strong>ry th<strong>an</strong> I know.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
It appears that a lot of experimentation was done on the victims of the Holocaust. You<br />
have mentioned trauma experiments. What other kinds of experiments were done as<br />
they relate <strong>to</strong> mind control technology?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
One of the things that Mengele was doing, <strong>an</strong>d his friend Ewen Cameron continued this,<br />
was experimentation on eye pigmentation. One might say what does this have <strong>to</strong> do with<br />
mind control? Well, like I said earlier, this type of mind control is a <strong>to</strong>tal control - the<br />
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