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But in modern times there have been very few people that have been able <strong>to</strong> talk about<br />

the <strong>Illuminati</strong> as it exists <strong>to</strong>day, <strong>an</strong>d that's been my job. To bring <strong>to</strong> the world who these<br />

people are, what their traditions are, what they are doing, everything about them. <strong>The</strong><br />

reason I am giving a longer version here <strong>to</strong> your question is that when someone asks<br />

who or what are the <strong>Illuminati</strong>, they do not think like we do. People often times interpret<br />

things around them in terms of how they themselves think or their own world view. If<br />

you w<strong>an</strong>t <strong>to</strong> underst<strong>an</strong>d the <strong>Illuminati</strong>, you have <strong>to</strong> underst<strong>an</strong>d that these people do not<br />

think like you or I.<br />

In just one area alone, that is a large percentage of these people are programmed<br />

multiple personalities <strong>an</strong>d just that in itself creates a whole different thinking pattern<br />

from those of us who are not multiple.<br />

Wayne Morris:<br />

When you say the <strong>Illuminati</strong>, is this the same group that is documented that Adam<br />

Weishaupt had started back in 1776 in Bavaria? Is this the same group?<br />

Fritz Springmeier:<br />

It's the same group. He actually didn't start the org<strong>an</strong>ization, it goes way back. <strong>The</strong>se are<br />

oligarchical families that are extremely powerful <strong>an</strong>d if you go back in his<strong>to</strong>ry <strong>an</strong>d ask<br />

yourself the question, "when did the elite, powerful, oligarchical families ever give up<br />

their power?" You c<strong>an</strong>'t find <strong>an</strong>y point in his<strong>to</strong>ry. <strong>The</strong>se are the families that - some of<br />

these bloodlines go clear back <strong>to</strong> Nimrod. <strong>The</strong> Rothschild secret genealogy that they have<br />

secretly written down through the centuries, traces their genealogy back <strong>to</strong> Nimrod.<br />

<strong>The</strong>se people were the ones that controlled the mystery religions. <strong>The</strong>re was a supreme<br />

council that sat over all of these mystery religions of the <strong>an</strong>cient world. <strong>The</strong>y were <strong>an</strong><br />

extremely powerful priesthood, <strong>an</strong>d they chose <strong>to</strong> go underground for m<strong>an</strong>y years <strong>an</strong>d<br />

continue working behind the scenes. But they never left.<br />

At the end of WWII there was a committee that was sent out throughout Europe <strong>to</strong> do a<br />

study of all of the churches that had been destroyed by the war, <strong>an</strong>d they discovered<br />

that in most of these Christi<strong>an</strong> churches (80%) they found that where the Christi<strong>an</strong> alter<br />

had been, when these churches had been destroyed, underneath these alters were pag<strong>an</strong><br />

alters that had been uncovered. So what you have is that a lot of these cathedrals were<br />

built on lay lines that were very powerful occult spiritual points <strong>an</strong>d on after hours these<br />

churches were used for what we would call sat<strong>an</strong>ic rituals. So this has been going on<br />

secretly for m<strong>an</strong>y centuries.<br />

Wayne Morris:<br />

And you are saying that the <strong>Illuminati</strong> are responsible for infiltrating these churches?<br />

Fritz Springmeier:<br />

<strong>The</strong>se are our movers <strong>an</strong>d shakers, very powerful bloodlines. For inst<strong>an</strong>ce, one of these<br />

bloodlines includes all of your royal families of Europe. <strong>The</strong>y are the people that have<br />

been in control. If you look at a lot of these nation states, you will notice that at the head<br />

of their church are their kings <strong>an</strong>d queens.<br />

Wayne Morris:<br />

You mentioned there are 13 families in the generations of the <strong>Illuminati</strong> families? C<strong>an</strong><br />

you name them?<br />

Fritz Springmeier:<br />

I came out with a book that was specifically designed <strong>to</strong> go family by family <strong>an</strong>d discuss<br />

them. <strong>The</strong> <strong>to</strong>p 13 bloodlines are the As<strong>to</strong>rs, Bundy, Collins, Dupont, <strong>Free</strong>m<strong>an</strong>, Kennedy,<br />

Leigh, Onassis, Rockefellers, Rothschild, Russell ... then there is a 13th bloodline which is<br />

the Merovingi<strong>an</strong> bloodline. I just simple call it the 13th <strong>an</strong>d then there is the V<strong>an</strong> Dine<br />

<strong>Illuminati</strong> bloodline. <strong>The</strong> 13th bloodline, the Merovingi<strong>an</strong>, is extremely import<strong>an</strong>t. It<br />

includes the royal families of Europe. In my Volume I book which covers the Top Thirteen<br />

<strong>Illuminati</strong> Bloodlines, that's the title <strong>to</strong> it, I don't go in<strong>to</strong> the Merovingi<strong>an</strong> bloodline so<br />

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