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"twinned" <strong>to</strong>gether, they had artificial twinning done <strong>to</strong> them.<br />

Wayne Morris:<br />

Is it similar <strong>to</strong> what you were describing before about the "mirroring"?<br />

Fritz Springmeier:<br />

<strong>The</strong> twinning incorporates all of the 12 sciences of mind control - it is pretty sophisticated<br />

in itself.<br />

Wayne Morris:<br />

To your awareness, did the Germ<strong>an</strong> Nazis use mind control operatives within WWII?<br />

Fritz Springmeier:<br />

Oh yes. <strong>The</strong>y were using them since the early thirties. <strong>The</strong> Germ<strong>an</strong>s <strong>an</strong>d the British both<br />

were creating multiples for intelligence work, assassination, <strong>an</strong>d so forth. Prior <strong>to</strong> the<br />

outbreak of WWII, the Nazis were foresighted, <strong>an</strong>d brought Germ<strong>an</strong>s <strong>to</strong> the USA who<br />

were trained multiple personalities. <strong>The</strong>y created a settlement of them in Upper New York<br />

State. That group of people continues <strong>to</strong> live there as a group. <strong>The</strong>se multiples who were<br />

brought in<strong>to</strong> our country had alters that were programmed <strong>to</strong> assassinate by sticking<br />

picks in<strong>to</strong> people (key places in the body) <strong>an</strong>d things like that. <strong>The</strong>y created this<br />

settlement with the idea that if Germ<strong>an</strong>y ever would m<strong>an</strong>age <strong>to</strong> defeat the USA, that<br />

these people would be in place <strong>to</strong> help them.<br />

Wayne Morris:<br />

Is there <strong>an</strong>y indication that the USA government had used mind controlled operatives in<br />

WWII?<br />

Fritz Springmeier:<br />

I have not found <strong>an</strong>y indication that they used programmed multiples, but remember<br />

that the leadership of our country was in the h<strong>an</strong>ds of the <strong>Illuminati</strong> down through our<br />

his<strong>to</strong>ry. To a large degree our Presidents are related <strong>to</strong> each other. A lot of people don't<br />

realize how related they are. Ulysses S. Gr<strong>an</strong>t, the 18th President, was related <strong>to</strong><br />

Fr<strong>an</strong>klin Deleno Roosevelt. <strong>The</strong> Deleno family is <strong>an</strong> <strong>an</strong>cient aris<strong>to</strong>cratic family that<br />

originates in Venice. Ulysses Gr<strong>an</strong>t was related via the Deleno family. His<br />

greatgr<strong>an</strong>dmother was Sus<strong>an</strong>nah Deleno. Gr<strong>an</strong>t was also from the Collins family. In one<br />

of my videotapes, I go in<strong>to</strong> the Gr<strong>an</strong>t family <strong>an</strong>d how they tie in with the <strong>Illuminati</strong>. One<br />

of the reasons I do that is because Cisco is a descend<strong>an</strong>t of the Ulysses Gr<strong>an</strong>t bloodline,<br />

a descend<strong>an</strong>t of the Collins bloodline. This was her ticket in<strong>to</strong> the <strong>Illuminati</strong>.<br />

M<strong>an</strong>y of our presidents tie back in<strong>to</strong> these <strong>Illuminati</strong> bloodlines, more th<strong>an</strong> people realize.<br />

<strong>The</strong>re were multiple personalities in our government during WWII. But it wasn't until<br />

Mengele came over that the <strong>Illuminati</strong> had somebody with the scientific sophistication <strong>to</strong><br />

really get in<strong>to</strong> scientifically programs. <strong>The</strong> "benefit" we received from Mengele <strong>an</strong>d<br />

Operation Paperclip was adv<strong>an</strong>cing our government's knowledge of how <strong>to</strong> program<br />

innocent children.<br />

Wayne Morris:<br />

I would like <strong>to</strong> ch<strong>an</strong>ge the <strong>to</strong>pic a little bit. How has popular culture been used for<br />

programming, <strong>an</strong>d why has it been used?<br />

Fritz Springmeier:<br />

<strong>The</strong>re are different levels that you lock a person in<strong>to</strong> <strong>an</strong>d control. One is <strong>to</strong> control their<br />

milieu, their environment. It is extremely difficult for me <strong>to</strong> talk about all of these issues.<br />

<strong>The</strong>y build a person's frame of reference from the time they were little. I ask people,<br />

"who built your frame of reference? who built your world view?" From the time you were<br />

little, establishment groups - churches, schools, <strong>an</strong>d so forth - have been steering your<br />

education so there isn't a frame of reference for people <strong>to</strong> h<strong>an</strong>g the information I would<br />

like <strong>to</strong> give them. If you don't have a frame of reference <strong>to</strong> underst<strong>an</strong>d <strong>an</strong>y of this<br />

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