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fathers. And it took me a long time to understand the difference, because right is wrong,
and wrong is right, that's how you are programmed. Isn't it something, when you really
think about it? I look back on it now, and I cannot believe the ability they had to do to
my mind and so many other survivors out there. To what degree they would go.
Wayne Morris:
Especially to children.
Cisco Wheeler:
At Inucurran (sp) they had cages on the walls. They put us in the cages and the monkeys
or the apes got to take care of us. We had three of them. One fed us, one beat us, and
one raped us to dehumanize us.
Wayne Morris:
... God ... oh boy ...
Cisco Wheeler:
I still wake up and here I am in my fifties and when I was working on my memories at
Inucurran (sp) in the cages -- well see, whatever they want in the system -- if they want
a particular part in the mind to be a particular something they had to set the stage for
that to come about.
Wayne Morris:
So that they are manipulating a particular context to achieve a certain end ...
Cisco Wheeler:
Yes, a certain image within the mind. A child has creativity but they have to give us the
creativity from which to work from because you have to understand that the mind is
protected by the family in that it is hidden within itself, like a box within itself -- boxes
and boxes, many boxes and each box has a family within the mind or it's all set up like a
grid. A 13x13 grid and 13 deep, so your hidden parts get no influence from or to the
outside world. When I came out into the world and I met Fritz, I had never known what
the world was. I had the freedom of knowing how to go to the grocery store or where
was it or what was it. I didn't know because I was only programmed to do what they
wanted me to. They would wake me up, give me my programs, put me on the right track
as to where they wanted me to be. I would go do what they wanted me to do, as soon as
I did it, back to sleep I went. I had no influence.
When Fritz told me that I had a family and a mother that was still living I thought the
man was crazy. Here's something else that will just throw you for a loop -- I have seven
grandchildren, that means I have three children of my own that are grown. When he
introduced me to my son when he was thirty (he's a pilot) out of courtesy I just said, well
it's very nice to meet you in my mind. Afterwards I told Fritz, you are absolutely crazy.
You think I'm crazy -- you guys, you've had it. You're telling me I am programmed as a
kitten, a sex kitten, and when I look in the mirror I see a porcelain face, a kitten's face,
and I am 17 years old and I am not supposed to age. When you look at me and I am fifty
years old, and you look at me and take a picture of me I am 17. I still look 17, but the
point is I was so totally 100% programmed that when Fritz wanted to give me the truth
about what happened to my life, my mind couldn't even receive it because I had so much
programming. It took me two years to realize I wasn't a kitten before I believed him.
Two years of hard work every single day to break down the lies. That's how strong my
defense was. I looked at all these kids and this is what I said to Fritz: "Fritz you are
absolutely crazy. You expect me to believe that this is my son. You are telling me that
my son is thirty years old. I have no recall. I didn't carry him." I didn't remember him
when he played as a child. I had no identity with this child whatsoever, that's how dark it
was inside my world. I said, "He's thirty years old, and I am seventeen -- wait a minute
here Fritz, something doesn't add up. You're crazy. You expect me to bite that apple?
And I'm going to bite it and I'm going to believe this, right?" That's the way the mind is.
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