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<strong>to</strong>rture c<strong>an</strong> be used in a very simple way - if you don't comply it is going <strong>to</strong> hurt. Men<br />
who are slaves are electroshocked in their genitals. It is very painful. That's a very<br />
simple way of bringing someone in line. <strong>The</strong>n of course there are ways the trauma is<br />
used <strong>to</strong> split the mind, fracture them in<strong>to</strong> thous<strong>an</strong>ds of pieces, create multiple personality<br />
disorder. That's one of the techniques.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Just <strong>to</strong> stay on the <strong>to</strong>pic of trauma, what is the import<strong>an</strong>ce of maintaining that trauma in<br />
terms of keeping the conditioning intact <strong>an</strong>d keeping the state of dissociation intact?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
<strong>The</strong>y w<strong>an</strong>t <strong>to</strong> maintain a high level of tr<strong>an</strong>ce <strong>an</strong>d dissociative behaviour in the victim, so<br />
they like <strong>to</strong> continue traumatizing the person. As I brought out earlier, there is more<br />
involved th<strong>an</strong> just keeping the dissociative level high. Your also trying <strong>to</strong> maintain the<br />
person <strong>to</strong> stay in the reptili<strong>an</strong>, survival based thinking; trying <strong>to</strong> keep them having a<br />
spirit of fear controlling their lives, so they don't slack off. <strong>The</strong>y secretly train the parents<br />
of the children who are being programmed on how <strong>to</strong> abuse their children so they keep<br />
their children very dissociative. Not only that, if the children are going <strong>to</strong> some<br />
established religious institute, eg. Catholic church, Episcopali<strong>an</strong> church, their priests,<br />
their clergymen have been trained in how <strong>to</strong> abuse the children. This is why you have<br />
such a big modern day problem within the Catholic church. So m<strong>an</strong>y of the priests<br />
abusing children <strong>an</strong>d the lawsuits brought against this church, <strong>an</strong>d some people have<br />
said they think it is going <strong>to</strong> fin<strong>an</strong>cially b<strong>an</strong>krupt the church - the reason why so much of<br />
this is going on is for purposes of mind control.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Have these priests <strong>an</strong>d clergymen been coerced <strong>to</strong> participate in this, or are they part of<br />
these <strong>Illuminati</strong> families? What is their role?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
<strong>The</strong>re are a lot of different reasons why someone is a pedophile. One of the problems<br />
within the Catholic church is that there haven't been normal outlets for sexual activity<br />
provided for priests <strong>an</strong>d nuns, <strong>an</strong>d then they are given these subversive ways <strong>to</strong> release<br />
their sexuality. Some of them are actually secret sat<strong>an</strong>ists <strong>an</strong>d this is part of the reward<br />
they receive from a secret coven. <strong>The</strong>re are various reasons as <strong>to</strong> why - some just go<br />
along because that's what everybody else is doing <strong>an</strong>d it is allowed until people put their<br />
foot down <strong>an</strong>d say we are not going <strong>to</strong> <strong>to</strong>lerate this. I c<strong>an</strong> talk about a number of cases<br />
where people did put their foot down <strong>an</strong>d say we are not going <strong>to</strong> <strong>to</strong>lerate this abuse of<br />
our child by the clergy, <strong>an</strong>d the hierarchy that should have penalized this person simply<br />
promoted them <strong>an</strong>d sent them <strong>to</strong> some other part of the country. Why they do it? God<br />
knows why each person has become <strong>an</strong> abuser.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
C<strong>an</strong> you explain how the dissociation has been used in terms of programming <strong>an</strong>d the<br />
structure of that programming?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
<strong>The</strong> victim of the mind control has had their mind split in<strong>to</strong> m<strong>an</strong>y personalities, actually<br />
far more personalities th<strong>an</strong> what the people in the therapeutic community generally<br />
realize. Cisco who I brought out of the <strong>Illuminati</strong> has very st<strong>an</strong>dard programming in<br />
m<strong>an</strong>y ways, although she has unique features <strong>to</strong> her system of personalities. She had a<br />
very st<strong>an</strong>dard grid of 13x13x13 alter personalities. Each one of those personalities has<br />
been given a separate his<strong>to</strong>ry, separate personality which has its own likes <strong>an</strong>d dislikes.<br />
What they did was turn what was one person in<strong>to</strong> a whole city of people <strong>an</strong>d the only<br />
way the mind of the slave c<strong>an</strong> function is if it relies upon the master <strong>to</strong> give it stability.<br />
Imagine if your mind was a whole series of competing persons, each with their own ideas,<br />
likes, dislikes. <strong>The</strong> only way <strong>to</strong> bring some order out of the chaos would be <strong>to</strong> have some<br />
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