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controlling entity ordering that chaos. Some of the slaves have reached the point of<br />
becoming aware that they are multiples <strong>an</strong>d on the deeper levels they realize that they<br />
need the mind control for their minds not <strong>to</strong> break down in<strong>to</strong> <strong>to</strong>tal craziness. Another way<br />
of looking at it is - what the <strong>Illuminati</strong> are doing is creating controlled ins<strong>an</strong>ity for these<br />
victims of the mind control <strong>to</strong> endure the horrific trauma that's given <strong>to</strong> them, they have<br />
<strong>to</strong> isolate their memories of that trauma <strong>an</strong>d the parts of the mind that have <strong>to</strong> pick up<br />
some of that trauma - some of those parts, in essence, I hate <strong>to</strong> use the word "crazy",<br />
but they are taking the garbage that's happening <strong>an</strong>d the mind is shuffling <strong>an</strong>d isolating<br />
it. If those walls of dissociation break down, then the other parts of the mind are going <strong>to</strong><br />
have <strong>to</strong> deal with a lot of garbage.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Why do you think they needed so m<strong>an</strong>y identities <strong>to</strong> be in place?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
If you are going <strong>to</strong> invest the time <strong>to</strong> create a robot, you are going <strong>to</strong> incorporate as<br />
m<strong>an</strong>y capabilities as possible <strong>an</strong>d you w<strong>an</strong>t <strong>to</strong> compartmentalize so everything is secret.<br />
One of the reasons why intelligence agencies function so well - eg. CIA - is that they<br />
compartmentalize everything. You only "know" on a regional basis. <strong>The</strong>y do the same<br />
with these people's minds. A slave may function on m<strong>an</strong>y different levels. He's got his<br />
front - they create the best front possible - his or her everyday life - but then they may<br />
w<strong>an</strong>t <strong>to</strong> use that person for drug smuggling, money laundering, carrying messages,<br />
performing sat<strong>an</strong>ic rituals, producing porn movies, assassinating somebody, spying on<br />
somebody - <strong>an</strong>d then you've got internal jobs <strong>to</strong>o. Going back <strong>to</strong> what I said earlier,<br />
remembering how the mind has been fractured in<strong>to</strong> m<strong>an</strong>y dissociated pieces, <strong>an</strong>d<br />
essentially a whole city of people has been made out of those pieces. In order for that<br />
city of people <strong>to</strong> function, you have <strong>to</strong> have different jobs. You will have some of the<br />
older personalities taking care of baby personalities internally in the person's mind - you<br />
have functions - gatekeepers, hierarchy alters that are controlling other alters - a<br />
hierarchy of personalities. That's a whole science in itself - how <strong>to</strong> structure dissociated<br />
parts of the mind.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
You mentioned the one structure, 13x13x13 grid. Are there other structures used that<br />
you are aware of?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
<strong>The</strong>re are m<strong>an</strong>y different structures. It all depends on the whim <strong>an</strong>d f<strong>an</strong>cy of the<br />
programmer as he shatters the victim's mind, he c<strong>an</strong> reassemble that mind however he<br />
w<strong>an</strong>ts <strong>to</strong>. He c<strong>an</strong> use a sphere - they create systems within systems <strong>to</strong>o. A common<br />
system within a system is the cabalistic tree of life.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Do you see similarities in the survivors that you have been working with in terms of the<br />
structures?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
Oh yes. That's one of the things - you c<strong>an</strong> have a therapist in one state, <strong>an</strong>d they will not<br />
have know <strong>an</strong>ything about MPD or DID <strong>an</strong>d they will start working with the victim <strong>an</strong>d<br />
call <strong>an</strong>other therapist for help <strong>an</strong>d taking notes. <strong>The</strong> victim will say, "I drew these<br />
pictures. I don't know what they me<strong>an</strong>." "I am fascinated with Star Trek (or the Wizard<br />
of Oz) (Mickey Mouse)". <strong>The</strong> therapist will call <strong>an</strong>other therapist <strong>an</strong>d ask what they make<br />
of this. If this other therapist is experienced, they may say "oh hey - I've got somebody<br />
who is just like that." All across the country, there are therapists <strong>an</strong>d then people like<br />
myself who is a minister working with these people who are running in<strong>to</strong> the same<br />
patterns time <strong>an</strong>d time again, the same structures. Like I was saying, working with<br />
people who were in the <strong>Illuminati</strong>, working with people that did the programming itself, is<br />
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