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Fritz Springmeier:<br />
He's been a criminal, <strong>an</strong>d he has provided leadership for criminal activity. He's been<br />
involved with creating wars, with drug running, with pornography <strong>an</strong>d mind control.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Are you aware of <strong>an</strong>y information that George Bush is also a pedophile?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
Oh yeah. Cathy O'Brien for inst<strong>an</strong>ce, who I have visited with, her daughter spent time<br />
with George Bush <strong>an</strong>d other people that are familiar with the mind control <strong>an</strong>d what's<br />
going on have also said that the m<strong>an</strong> was a pedophile.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
Do you think that people in groups trying <strong>to</strong> bring about global control are pl<strong>an</strong>ning a<br />
take-over attempt at a certain point in time, or do you think they will continue this New<br />
World Order more gradually as they have been doing through exp<strong>an</strong>ded economic blocks<br />
<strong>an</strong>d so forth?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
It's a combination of gradual, spiced with some cataclysmic events. From the v<strong>an</strong>tage<br />
point of being a pl<strong>an</strong>ner, <strong>an</strong>d having the actual pl<strong>an</strong>s <strong>an</strong>d details, you would see that<br />
things are being implemented on a continuous basis. For inst<strong>an</strong>ce, I have mentioned<br />
previously that the P<strong>an</strong>ama C<strong>an</strong>al <strong>an</strong>d Suez C<strong>an</strong>al were pl<strong>an</strong>ned by the <strong>Illuminati</strong> back<br />
around 1800 if not before. Those were things they w<strong>an</strong>ted <strong>to</strong> implement on the way <strong>to</strong> a<br />
New World Order.<br />
When you see cataclysmic events occur, let's say there is a nuclear exch<strong>an</strong>ge or aliens all<br />
of a sudden arrive, they seem cataclysmic <strong>an</strong>d inst<strong>an</strong>t<strong>an</strong>eous <strong>to</strong> those of us who are the<br />
common people. But the pl<strong>an</strong>ning for these events has gone on for a long time. So yes, it<br />
will be gradual, if you are looking at the implementation of these pl<strong>an</strong>s - but the<br />
appear<strong>an</strong>ce of some of these things will be rather cataclysmic. In order <strong>to</strong> bring in the<br />
New World Order as they would like <strong>to</strong> implement it, they w<strong>an</strong>t us <strong>to</strong> ask them <strong>to</strong> bring in<br />
what they w<strong>an</strong>t. So for inst<strong>an</strong>ce in WWII when the Jap<strong>an</strong>ese attacked Pearl Harbour, the<br />
Americ<strong>an</strong>s w<strong>an</strong>ted <strong>to</strong> give away their freedoms <strong>to</strong> make their government more powerful.<br />
<strong>The</strong>y will be implementing things that will cause us <strong>to</strong> ask us <strong>to</strong> do what they w<strong>an</strong>t <strong>to</strong><br />
do.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
What kinds of scenarios are possible?<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
For inst<strong>an</strong>ce in Australia - where this madm<strong>an</strong> went in <strong>an</strong>d he gunned down a lot of<br />
innocent people - children <strong>an</strong>d families - boy - right after that they ramrodded through<br />
gun legislation <strong>an</strong>d approximately half a million weapons were turned in without a fight<br />
by the Australi<strong>an</strong>s because of this horrendous massacre that <strong>to</strong>ok place. <strong>The</strong> same things<br />
are going <strong>to</strong> happen in this country <strong>an</strong>d on this surface it's going <strong>to</strong> appear like this is<br />
just a madm<strong>an</strong> who flipped out <strong>an</strong>d he gunned down a lot of people. But from "their"<br />
v<strong>an</strong>tage-point, they have spent a lot of years pl<strong>an</strong>ning <strong>an</strong>d programming.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
And one could argue that it has already started <strong>to</strong> happen in terms of things like the<br />
Oklahoma City bombing <strong>an</strong>d bringing in the counter-terrorism bill immediately after.<br />
Fritz Springmeier:<br />
Yes. Exactly. I would say yes <strong>to</strong> both aspects. It will be both gradual <strong>an</strong>d it will have a<br />
cataclysmic impact.<br />
Wayne Morris:<br />
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