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Scientology because, quite frankly, <strong>the</strong>y’re scared,” Koppel observed.<br />

“Oh, no, no, no, no.”<br />

“I’m telling you, people are scared,” Koppel insisted.<br />

“Let’s not give <strong>the</strong> American public <strong>the</strong> wrong impression,” said Miscavige. “The<br />

person getting harassed is myself <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong> church.”<br />

Koppel <strong>the</strong>n lobbed what seemed like an easy question for a man who had spent so<br />

much time preparing for this encounter. “See if you can explain to me why I would want<br />

to be a Scientologist.”<br />

“Because you care about yourself <strong>and</strong> life itself,” Miscavige said eagerly. He gave <strong>the</strong><br />

example <strong>of</strong> communication skills. “This is something that major breakthroughs exist in<br />

Scientology, being able to communicate in <strong>the</strong> world around you,” he said. “There’s an<br />

actual formula for communication which can be understood. You can drill on this<br />

formula.”<br />

“So far in life, I haven’t had a whole lot <strong>of</strong> trouble communicating,” Koppel drolly<br />

noted.<br />

“What in your life do you feel is not right, that you would like to help?” Miscavige<br />

asked. It was a classic Scientology technique, to nd a subject’s “ruin,” <strong>the</strong> thing that<br />

was blocking his access to happiness.<br />

“I feel perfectly comfortable with my life,” Koppel replied.<br />

Miscavige switched tactics. “Let’s look at it this way, <strong>the</strong>n, what Scientology does. If<br />

you look out across <strong>the</strong> world today, you could say that if you take a person who’s<br />

healthy, doing well, like yourself, you’d say that person is normal, not a crazy, not<br />

somebody who is psychotic, you look at a wall <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong>y call it an elephant,” he said,<br />

extemporizing. “And you can see people below that—crazy people, criminals—that I<br />

think society in general will look at <strong>and</strong> say, ‘That breed <strong>of</strong> person hasn’t something<br />

quite right because <strong>the</strong>y’re not up to this level <strong>of</strong> personality.’…What we are trying to<br />

do in Scientology is take somebody from this higher level <strong>and</strong> move <strong>the</strong>m up to greater<br />

ability.”<br />

“What about <strong>the</strong> folks ‘down <strong>the</strong>re’?”<br />

“We don’t ignore <strong>the</strong>m. My point is this: Scientology is <strong>the</strong>re to make <strong>the</strong> able more<br />

able.”<br />

“Ano<strong>the</strong>r way <strong>of</strong> saying that is: you’re interested in folks who’ve got money.”<br />

Miscavige objected, claiming that <strong>the</strong> money in <strong>the</strong> church goes to good causes. “We<br />

are <strong>the</strong> largest social reform group in <strong>the</strong> world,” he said, adding that if a person stays<br />

in Scientology long enough, he’ll have plenty <strong>of</strong> money. Then he referenced Sawyer’s<br />

report again. “The one girl <strong>the</strong>re that was complaining about it, a girl named Vicki<br />

Aznaran, which <strong>by</strong> <strong>the</strong> way, this is a girl who was kicked out for trying to bring<br />

criminals into <strong>the</strong> church, something she didn’t mention.”<br />

“You say a ‘girl.’ I think we’re talking about a grown woman, right?”<br />

“A grown woman, excuse me,” Miscavige said. “She violated <strong>the</strong> mores <strong>and</strong> codes <strong>of</strong><br />

<strong>the</strong> group.”<br />

“Ei<strong>the</strong>r you have made an accurate charge against someone or—what a number<br />

<strong>of</strong> … <strong>the</strong> pieces written about Scientology suggest is that when you have a critic before

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