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<strong>Captive</strong> <strong>Genders</strong>DR: To begin, I would largely defer on this question to people who aremuch more deeply enmeshed in the political <strong>and</strong> intellectual work aroundthe specificity of these conditions of imprisonment. I think I still have a lotto learn from the experiences <strong>and</strong> analyses being generated by people whoare closely <strong>and</strong> rigorously engaging this form of state violence, <strong>and</strong> perhapsthis is the best way to respond to the question you’ve posed. I don’t knowthat the thing we’re naming as the abolitionist movement has calcified tothe point that it has developed a truly parochial, common set of politicalparadigms <strong>and</strong> protocols—at least, not in its current rendition as a late–twentieth- <strong>and</strong> early–twenty-first-century radicalism (one could say therewere at least two predominant, contradictory underst<strong>and</strong>ings of “abolition”during the middle-to-late part of the nineteenth century, as it was taken upby white abolitionists <strong>and</strong> enslaved <strong>and</strong> non-enslaved black abolitionists).I’m not saying that there aren’t some persistent assumptions guidingthis emerging movement that reproduce oppressive racial, gender, sexual,<strong>and</strong> class logics; rather, what I’m getting at is that the field of abolitionistpolitics <strong>and</strong> discourses is contingent, fragile, <strong>and</strong> flexible enough at thismoment that it may not be a question of whether it needs to “change<strong>and</strong> adapt” to accommodate the material <strong>and</strong> historical truths of imprisoned/detainedtrans <strong>and</strong> gender-non-conforming people. Instead, the issuemay be one of whether <strong>and</strong> how multiple abolitionisms can articulatewith each other in a way that poses a legitimate threat to transform thecurrent condition. What we’d be talking about is a conception of politicalstruggle that visualizes the abolition/transformation of various, specific,perhaps non-comparable forms of imprisonment that are sometimeslumped together within the same institutional designation: “prison.” Itmay be the case that we can’t <strong>and</strong> shouldn’t attempt to compare (or conflate)the sometimes drastically different forms of policing <strong>and</strong> imprisonmenttargeting different bodies <strong>and</strong> populations, <strong>and</strong> instead engage themas relatively specific, but structurally connected forms of state violence.This, I think, might give the work of abolition a rich set of political toolsas well as organizing strategies. With all respect to my colleagues who’vespent much time <strong>and</strong> energy constructing them, I don’t think there canbe such a thing as a singular or definitive “abolitionist mission statement.”We need many of them, <strong>and</strong> each needs to rigorously underst<strong>and</strong> what itsmission is attempting to engage.BB: One thing that I think the prison movement doesn’t have is a lotof information about this group. People need to make the information336

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