open society panelvery courageous, to brave public opinion.They have to feel that they are supported, youknow? They have to feel that we admire theircourage and their struggle, that we won’t letthem down as long as they are there, that weare not going to ask them to do foolish things.That is important. You cannot put them indanger. But to avoid putting them in dangerdoes not mean that you have to tell them, “No,no, no, keep your scarf on.” If they take theirscarves off, good. You know?And this is good for us too, you know.Western women should not wear a scarf inAfghanistan, and that was something I wastotally convinced of, but it took re<strong>la</strong>tively moretime to convince everyone else in the company.“We are not going to wear the scarf inKabul; we are not.” And we were told that weshould wear one, by very intellectual people,young and not — even by male diplomats, whotell you it’s better if you wear a scarf. Of coursenot! Why should we? But these women had tobe supported, they must not be pushed to dosomething rash that would put them in danger.(The same goes for the men.) I didn’t praisewhat they were doing onstage just because theyare women. When it was not good, I wouldtell them. It was more complicated to preventthe men from censoring them; when I felt thatsomething was not totally benevolent towardthem I would be very, very, very clear with theother stu<strong>de</strong>nts and tell them I will not acceptit. On that subject I was very clear, as I thinkone has to be. Even if it’s your best Afghanfriend, you cannot say to him that you approveof something if you don’t, just because of hisso-called culture. I mean, I don’t approve ofs<strong>la</strong>very, although it belongs to some cultures.I don’t approve, and I will not say otherwise,even if it’s part of the culture. There is somethingwhich is called les droits <strong>de</strong> l’ homme,human rights, and that is my culture.And what women! One was very courageous.There were six girls watching theworkshops and three participating, who werealready being very courageous just by going onthe stage. For an Afghan woman to go on thestage is outright heroism, because in Afghanistanit means that they are a prostitute — andthey went onstage and they worked. They didnot do badly, and one did very well, so this onewas among the group.We even had a scene with a Christianpriest on stage, with a little boy who p<strong>la</strong>yeda choirboy. We were very astonished, and Ithink the actors and I grew. In this group offifty there were perhaps seventeen who reallyled the workshop, who did really good work,so we gathered them at the end of our visit, forthe whole afternoon, and I asked them, “Sowhat’s going to happen now? Are you goingto stop? Or are you going to do somethingwith yourself? Why don’t you try and make agroup?” They started to talk about, “Well, yes,but what is going to happen between a Tajikand a Pashtun? Are we strong enough to leaveour origins at the door?” And I said, “Not onlyat the door, but at the frontier, and not only atthe frontier, but at the womb.”And so at the end of the afternoon, they<strong>de</strong>ci<strong>de</strong>d to create a group. They called it TheaterAftab — aftab meaning “sun” — so theywere actually calling it “Théâtre <strong>du</strong> <strong>Soleil</strong>” inFarsi. They elected a director, at least for themoment, as he said himself. And they <strong>de</strong>ci<strong>de</strong>dnot to stop but to continue working, with thehelp of the foundation and Timor Hakimyarand Robert, who are going to lend them thegar<strong>de</strong>n and the p<strong>la</strong>ce to rehearse and to helpthem. We are very proud of that — and we p<strong>la</strong>nto go on helping them, too, because I thinkthey <strong>de</strong>serve it. I think there are some verygood actors among them, they will be goodactors in the future, so we have several projectsto continue with them. Except for thankingeverybody who helped with this adventure, Idon’t know what else I should say.72
théâtre <strong>du</strong> soleil in afghanistankluyver I would like to mention how difficultit is to find funding for culture, whichunfortunately is rarely seen as part of reconstructionor <strong>de</strong>velopment of a country. I justwant to thank the Prince K<strong>la</strong>us Fund in Hol<strong>la</strong>nd— not because I’m Dutch myself — butbecause they have strongly supported thisproject with quite a lot of money, to allowthis workshop to happen in Afghanistan. Weactually have enough left to continue supportingthe group for the coming month, as theyprepare a p<strong>la</strong>y to participate in the Cairo TheaterFestival, which will happen in Augustand September, 2005, with the participationof twenty different Afghan theater groups.We hope we can see this process through, andthen after that there will be additional re<strong>la</strong>tionshipsin the future, hopefully.mnouchkine I must add that the FrenchMinistry of Foreign Affairs paid for the tickets.Robert gave us shelter and food, and ofcourse, everybody who went there was notpaid for three weeks, and that has to be takeninto consi<strong>de</strong>ration for future groups, becausethere is no money at the moment for this.And also the French Army, who transportedclown noses and costumes. I thank theFrench Army for having the good humor touse their big, good army p<strong>la</strong>nes to carry insuch futile materials as theater material. It’snice — many armies should do that. Take a littlebit less of that, take a little bit more of this.kluyver I think one of the big things theAfghan stu<strong>de</strong>nts learned was the spirit ofteamwork, which in the Théâtre <strong>du</strong> <strong>Soleil</strong> isespecially remarkable: all the work, cleaningup, crushing p<strong>la</strong>stic bottles, is all done by theactors themselves. And this was an extremelyuseful experience for Afghans who tend tothink other people have to clean up behindthem. [Laughter] Workshops <strong>la</strong>sted eighthours a day, from eight in the morning totwelve, from two to six. Sometimes till seveno’clock, <strong>de</strong>spite the heat — it was a very intensiveexperience.mnouchkine There was quite a catharticimprovisation about the Taliban. All of theactors in it were Afghan, except one.kluyver But it en<strong>de</strong>d up with a woman, beatingthe Taliban — it was an Afghan woman,very nice.mnouchkine She was very happy to do that!We did many workshops, but they were not allin difficult p<strong>la</strong>ces. Sometimes they were doneun<strong>de</strong>r difficult conditions, but they were not indifficult p<strong>la</strong>ces.I had always thought that musiciansare so lucky: they go into a country, theytake their instrument, and even if they don’tspeak the <strong>la</strong>nguage, they will go and p<strong>la</strong>ynight and day, and they will un<strong>de</strong>rstand eachother. What an art music is for that! Well, Imust say I felt exactly the same thing withtheater in Afghanistan. You take a mask, yougive the actors a little story to work with, andthere they are p<strong>la</strong>ying together in French andEnglish and Farsi — as long as our interpreterShasha was there, that is. I have to say if Shashahad not been there, the workshop wouldhave been totally different; she is an incredibleinterpreter, she trans<strong>la</strong>ted very, very fast andvery, very well, and she really does trans<strong>la</strong>te,conveying the sense, the emotion, the intonation,everything.So here we were, in a very quiet p<strong>la</strong>ce inKabul in the midst of a poor and unquiet areawhere we were told not to gather at night. Inthis gar<strong>de</strong>n there was peace, and the possibilityof discipline and concentration, which ofcourse did not happen immediately: the obligationof doing that in or<strong>de</strong>r to create was notimmediately clear to the young Afghans. I keptasking them, “Please be silent, please — you73
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