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may be pleased to permit this House to take up the question of the national language first before taking up the Constitution clause by clause. The question of national language comes in somewhere in clause 99 of the Constitution which may take long. This question bristles with many difficulties and some of us feel it to be fundamentally embedded with our future. There are other members who do not attach importance to it. Therefore I would request you to take up this question first and give us an opportunity to decide it and afterwards like the Constitution in English clause by clause and then give us opportunity to take them in Hindi as well. Mr. President : May I state that the very reason which he has adduced for taking up the question of language in the beginning has induced me to put it off to a later stage. The reason which he has given is that there are differences of opinion, some people holding very strongly one view and others holding the other view equally strongly. I suggest that it is much better to discuss at any rate the fundamentals of the Constitution in a calm atmosphere before our tempers have got frayed. I therefore suggest that we should go on with the Constitution and discuss each item and when we have done that much--it will not in any way prejudice the question of language - the language question will be decided on its merits by the House and when that decision has been taken, every article will be passed ultimately in that language also. Therefore nothing is lost. Only, we do not lost temper to begin with. Shri R. V. Dhulekar (United Provinces: General): *[Mr. President, Sir, the proposal that I want to place before you is this. On the first occasion when I delivered my speech in Hindi in this House, I had moved an amendment to the effect that the constitution should be framed in our national language and that the English version should be treated as its translation. Therefore I want to submit that when the discussion on the English version of the Constitution is over and it has been fully passed and when with your permission a decision has also been reached in regard to the national language, I shall place the proposal before you that the constitution in the national language should be considered as the original one. It will be insulting for us to adopt the translation of the English version. No nation has so far done so. I admit that the Members would speak in English in this debate. I shall also speak in English and in fact want to do so but later I shall speak in Hindi. I wish to inform you that I want to place before you a motion when this discussion is over. It will be to the effect that the English version of the Constitution will be considered the translation of the constitution in the national language and the latter will be taken to be the original one. The English version will be styled as translation. I request that I maybe told as to when I may table that motion before you.]* Mr. President: *[This Assembly is entitled to say whether the constitution will be passed in Hindi or Urdu and that version will be taken to be the original one. The other versions will be considered as its translations. You have the power to do so.]* Shri Suresh Chandra Majumdar (West Bengal: General): Sir, your orders came regarding the translations. Complete translations have been made in certain languages and I have no quarrel with that but in the process of Constitution making it is imperative that the people of our country - whatever may be their spoken language - they should understand it. So in your scheme of translation if you will kindly include, in addition to Hindi and Urdu, other major languages of India, it would be very convenient for everyone to understand and thereby, whatever may be the Rashtrabhasha afterwards, it will not be said that the proceedings were carried on in a language or languages which were not intelligible to all parts of the country. This is my suggestion. I have no disrespect for Hindi nor have I any attachment to English but as the Constitution is a very important thing. I think it should be made intelligible to all the people of the country. So my prayer is you might kindly include in your scheme of translation at least the major languages of India and I don't think it will be difficult for you to arrange that. Pandit Hirday Nath Kunzru (United Provinces: General): Mr. President, you have made an
announcement regarding the procedure you propose to follow in connection with the Bill before us, that will have a very important bearing on the discussions that will take place shortly. You have drawn our attention to two points. The first point is that as the principles underlying this Bill were accepted by the Assembly a few months back, no amendment should be brought forward which would question any of these principles or would seek to make any alteration in them. Sir, this is a matter...... Mr. President: I qualified that by "ordinarily". Pandit Hirday Nath Kunzru: It all depends on how the Chair will interpret this word. But I remember that when the discussions on the principles embodied in the Bill were going on, it was said several times that we should have a better opportunity for expressing our opinions later when the whole picture was before us. This is a matter that, I venture to think, Sir, deserves your serious attention. We might, a few months back, have accepted certain conclusions, but if, either after studying the Act as a whole, or after further reflection, any of us comes to the conclusion that any of these principles should be modified or completely altered, his right to express his opinion should not be questioned. Mr. President: I may say at once that I do not propose to rule out any discussion. It will be for the House to decide whether it will go back on any of its decisions. As Chairman, I do not propose to rule out any discussion or reconsideration. Pandit Hirday Nath Kunzru: The House will certainly have the right to decide whether it will go back on any of its previous decisions. If it does not approve any change in the principles accepted by it some time ago, it will be open to it to throw out any suggestion for a change made by any Member. But what I have said, is due to the fact that I am under the impression that it was your intention to rule out certain amendments. Mr. President: I am sorry if I left that impression. Pandit Hirday Nath Kunzru: I am very glad to hear from you, Sir, that this is not your intention. It is therefore not necessary for me to discuss this aspect of your pronouncement any more. I now come to the second point which you asked the House to bear in mind in giving notice of amendments in future. You said that you would allow amendments to be proposed till 5 o'clock on Sunday next, but that thereafter you would not admit any new amendment for discussion, unless it seemed to you to relate to a matter of importance. I think, Sir, we all appreciate the substance of what you have said. As far as possible, our discussion should be canalized in proper channels and should relate to such points only a sought to be considered by the House again. Your advice therefore in regard to the character of the amendments would naturally carry great weight with every Member of this House. But I submit, Sir, that no amendment, no matter when received, ought to be automatically ruled out on the ground that it was not received by 5 o'clock on Sunday afternoon. It is the duty of the Chair to regulate the discussion and I have no doubt that every Member of this House is anxious to help the Chair in its onerous task, particularly as the which every Member of the House ought to be jealous. We have under the rules the right to give notice of amendments at any stage we like, and provided they are received within the time allotted by the rules, our right to put forward new amendments cannot be questioned. It cannot be questioned even by you, Sir. I therefore suggest that when you consider any amendment that is proposed, to be superfluous, or to relate to a very unimportant matter, you may well advise the Member concerned to save the time of the House by withdrawing it. But should he insist on expression his view, even on an unimportant matter, I
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Page 3 and 4: y election in the case of the State
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Page 7 and 8: agenda and as a protest I demand th
Page 9 and 10: and also the province of Orissa. Th
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Page 13 and 14: part of the Constituent Assembly Ru
Page 15 and 16: (35) (21) Janjira Sangli Savantvadi
Page 17 and 18: signature thereto. When the Bill is
Page 19 and 20: should be elected and that House sh
Page 21: language." I think those of my Sout
Page 25 and 26: sent in their amendments in full in
Page 27 and 28: only as a translation. The English
Page 29 and 30: Shri R. V. Dhulekar : *[Sir, I subm
Page 31 and 32: The Draft Constitution has been bef
Page 33 and 34: In the U.S.A. this dual polity is f
Page 35 and 36: which could be replaced by Parliame
Page 37 and 38: Government of India Act, 1935, I ma
Page 39 and 40: In the second place, it is wrong to
Page 41 and 42: India and the overthrow of the Cent
Page 43 and 44: That is the amendment. Shri B. Das:
Page 45 and 46: of joint electorate and that would
Page 47 and 48: other provincial legislatures excep
Page 49 and 50: 11. The provisions of the Constitut
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Page 53 and 54: memoranda from the various Provinci
Page 55 and 56: Central revenue and the subventions
Page 57 and 58: 22. The problem before us is how to
Page 59 and 60: use or consumption within the Provi
Page 61 and 62: succession duties. This will also g
Page 63 and 64: esident of India (for, today, it is
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Page 71 and 72: States. We are aware that many prob
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(14) Not less than 50 per cent of t
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Provinces or Units. 1. Duties on Su
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Province Federal List. 14. Taxes on
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1938-39 2,51 1,50 3,05 1939-40 2,56
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4. Export Duties on Jute and Jute p
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C. P. West Bengal Bihar Orissa A sy
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[ANNEXURE IV ] APPENDIX B (i) Sea c
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Licence fees and fines are not incl
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p = the population of the State con
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10 Faridkot 1,000 11 Gwalior 480 12
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14 Tehri -Garhwal 23 4* 17.4 #Inclu
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(2) If at a joint sitting of the tw
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Clause 194-A. - For, clause 194-A s
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meet the costs of such schemes of d
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From To (2) for entry 50, substitut
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To SIR, THE CHAIRMAN, SUB-COMMITTEE
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The North--East Frontier ( Sadiya,
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general in others. The States have
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the Provincial Government was in re
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indistinguishable from non-hill peo
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the Government of Assam. The Assam
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tracts, while revenue is needed els
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deals with the question of franchis
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to be maintained with the developme
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(3) If there are different tribes i
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Provided that no such rules may be
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Schedule A The Khasi and Jaintia Hi
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time the problems of administration
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the people, if tribal councils are
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It has been mentioned that the dist
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district and its external relations
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that there is an understandable fee
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[Annexure VIII] -------------------
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12. The Central Government should c
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7. Shri Raj Krushna Bose. Co-opted
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total tribal population of the prov
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3. PARTIALLY EXCLUDED AREAS - The m
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members have to be non-tribals. The
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punctuated by disorder and even reb
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The introduction of kuth cultivatio
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aboriginal members should be electe
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prevent any unnecessary complicatio
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that no direct statutory safeguard
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lenders. We consider it necessary t
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The Dewanganj, Sribardi, Nalitabori
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Bengal United provinces Punjab Biha
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Bombay suburban 251,147 13,890 5.53
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Jalaun 482,384 6,361 1.31 Hamirpur
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British Territory 10,204,733 2,484,
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13. Serithi Goudus. 14. Holva. 15.
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3. Bathudi. 14. Ho. 25. Mahli. 4. B
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(2) In the Federal Legislature (Hou
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4. Bissoy - Bharangi Jodia, Bennang
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45. Savaras - Kapu Savaras, Khutto
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3. Chenchu. 10. Paroja. 17.Binjhia.
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The Bhainsdehi Tahsil of the Betul
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[Annexure VII] To DEAR SIR, THE CHA
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Income Expenditure 1944-45 1,64,430
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provinces for the tribals or which
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Delhi, 25th Sept. 1947. MINUTE OF D
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tribes, a Tribes Advisory Council w
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Provided that land required by the
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may apply any such law to the area
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District Councils should be set up
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The Lakhimpur Frontier Tract should
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APPENDIX D General Summary of the R
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7. The Federal Government should in
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Provincial Governments (other than
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