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For example, in <strong>the</strong> northwest [of Mexico], large areas of l<strong>and</strong> that are no longer<br />

productive, no longer useful, that were first exploited only <strong>for</strong>ty or fifty years ago, are<br />

being deserted. In <strong>for</strong>ty or fifty years, <strong>the</strong>se l<strong>and</strong>s stopped being useful.<br />

Q: How is it that people who are not campesinos but perhaps academics, people<br />

who work with NGOs, or o<strong>the</strong>rs – how is it that <strong>the</strong>y can be involved in your<br />

struggle? What is <strong>the</strong> best way <strong>for</strong> <strong>the</strong>m to help you not to be isolated, or in what<br />

o<strong>the</strong>r ways can <strong>the</strong>y help?<br />

A: I believe <strong>the</strong> academic sector can play an important role, as long as it makes an<br />

ef<strong>for</strong>t to underst<strong>and</strong> <strong>and</strong> relate to campesinos. ...It’s very difficult <strong>for</strong> academics to<br />

<strong>for</strong>get <strong>the</strong>ir type of language, or ways of underst<strong>and</strong>ing things, because it’s not <strong>for</strong><br />

nothing that <strong>the</strong>y’ve spent a lot of years in spaces like <strong>the</strong>se [<strong>Yale</strong>], <strong>and</strong> really<br />

sometimes it makes it very difficult <strong>for</strong> <strong>the</strong>m to relate with people. . . .<br />

I think that what we have to do is [figure out] how we can bring academics<br />

to community development without disturbing what <strong>the</strong> communities are<br />

already doing – because this is <strong>the</strong> problem: often academics want to<br />

change, or to introduce things without thinking about <strong>the</strong> consequences.<br />

They have to make an ef<strong>for</strong>t to pull at least one foot out of academia in<br />

order to really feel what it is to be campesino, what it is to be a person who<br />

has lived <strong>for</strong> many years in difficult conditions. It makes me sad, because<br />

many of <strong>the</strong> agronomists who are coming out of <strong>the</strong> university in Mexico<br />

are children of campesinos – but once <strong>the</strong>y’ve studied agronomy, <strong>the</strong>y no<br />

longer underst<strong>and</strong> campesinos despite being of campesino origin.<br />

I don’t know what <strong>the</strong> university does to erase what <strong>the</strong>y brought in with <strong>the</strong>m . . .<br />

but at <strong>the</strong> end of it all <strong>the</strong>y don’t underst<strong>and</strong> campesinos. Much of <strong>the</strong> time in Mexico,<br />

<strong>for</strong> <strong>the</strong> simple fact of being an agronomist, <strong>the</strong>y have to come to <strong>the</strong> community in a<br />

truck, <strong>the</strong>y have to wear boots, <strong>the</strong>y don’t want to get dirty, <strong>the</strong>y don’t want to get wet,<br />

<strong>the</strong>y don’t want to do anything like that. How can a man like this truly involve himself<br />

in <strong>the</strong> campesino process if he doesn’t want to act like a campesino?<br />

Q: What are some of <strong>the</strong> ideas <strong>and</strong> concepts that have been discussed here at this<br />

workshop that you plan to bring to your community or your organization?<br />

A: I think what I am underst<strong>and</strong>ing is that academia is thinking differently. I hope it’s<br />

true – <strong>the</strong> idea that academia might want to involve itself in a real development that can<br />

contribute to <strong>the</strong> process in which <strong>the</strong> campesinos are already engaged. . . . I believe that<br />

it is possible. I take with me this idea that <strong>the</strong>re is interest, that many academics are taking<br />

action in different parts of <strong>the</strong> world related to <strong>the</strong> preservation of resources – but it’s<br />

yale school of <strong>for</strong>estry & environmental studies

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