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developing a training farm <strong>for</strong> young people, <strong>for</strong> <strong>the</strong> children of farmers in <strong>the</strong> region.<br />

So <strong>the</strong>y came up with a training program around agroecology that is now in place.<br />

What we wanted to see was agents of change – people who would come, benefit,<br />

gain knowledge, go back to <strong>the</strong>ir communities <strong>and</strong> multiply <strong>the</strong> knowledge – <strong>and</strong><br />

that is exactly what has happened. We have six or eight states in Mexico where this<br />

vision of CIDERS, my organization, is spreading quickly, it’s growing, <strong>and</strong> this<br />

knowledge went far beyond this group of 15 participants, through <strong>the</strong>ir own<br />

organizations <strong>and</strong> through <strong>the</strong>ir own networks <strong>and</strong> in <strong>the</strong>ir own communities <strong>and</strong><br />

regions. And a lot of <strong>the</strong>se participants really work at <strong>the</strong> regional level, not just in a<br />

small community.<br />

Q: From what you have been doing, have your ideas changed – or your sense of<br />

what <strong>the</strong> farmers with whom you work in Mexico need? Do <strong>the</strong>y need agroecology<br />

training, do <strong>the</strong>y need different policies, or do <strong>the</strong>y need different structures to<br />

make <strong>the</strong>se policies?<br />

A: Policy, I think, is one of <strong>the</strong> most important issues in Mexico. Because <strong>the</strong> challenge<br />

farmers are facing is structural. It’s not an issue of commitment, it’s not an issue of<br />

desire, it’s not an issue of wanting to leave <strong>the</strong> l<strong>and</strong> – it’s a structural problem that I<br />

relate to two key issues. One is <strong>the</strong> Green Revolution, which has had tremendous<br />

implications in Mexico <strong>and</strong> of course all over <strong>the</strong> world – people became dependent on<br />

agrochemicals. But <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r is agrarian re<strong>for</strong>ms that have been paternalistic, erroneous<br />

– top-down approaches that have only displaced people from <strong>the</strong> l<strong>and</strong>, ra<strong>the</strong>r than<br />

helping <strong>the</strong>m secure a better future or promising a future in <strong>the</strong>ir communities.<br />

Q: You mentioned <strong>the</strong> effects of <strong>the</strong> agrarian re<strong>for</strong>ms <strong>and</strong> national policies. Can you<br />

say more about this?<br />

A: The agrarian re<strong>for</strong>m, especially through Article 27 [of <strong>the</strong> Mexican Constitution]<br />

– where thous<strong>and</strong>s of ejidatarios were displaced, <strong>and</strong> <strong>the</strong>y were allowed to sell <strong>the</strong>ir<br />

properties very cheap – [happened] right after NAFTA, when Salinas de Gortari was<br />

president of Mexico. The ejidatarios represent a huge percentage of small farmers in<br />

Mexico. They were already facing a very serious crisis. And Article 27 was <strong>the</strong> last<br />

thing people needed. ...It was just a political agenda initiated by Salinas de Gortari<br />

to somehow free <strong>the</strong> l<strong>and</strong> so corporations could come <strong>and</strong> privatize or take over,<br />

which is exactly what is happening in Mexico. You will see huge maquiladoras or<br />

manufacturing companies in small, rural settings. I never ever dreamt of seeing such<br />

things. And what happened is people ended up selling <strong>the</strong> l<strong>and</strong> <strong>and</strong> migrating. And<br />

suddenly you want to go back – what do you do? You sold your l<strong>and</strong>. There is no<br />

going back. There is an ongoing struggle – <strong>and</strong> you enter a kind of survival mode as<br />

a result of this displacement. And how to recover from that is one of <strong>the</strong> things we<br />

talk about a lot in my organization. How do you recover from that?<br />

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