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People<br />

If the Efficiency Ratio is low,<br />

then a mean-reverting strategy is<br />

better than a trend method.<br />

Kaufman: Absolutely. Trends in general are what I call a<br />

“sound premise.” But they need to be long-term trends to<br />

pick up the direction of the economy, or the US dollar or<br />

euro, or major changes in supply and demand. I wouldn’t<br />

try faster trends because I don’t think they’re reliable.<br />

Prices can jump quite a bit on news, but it’s hard to<br />

capture that with a moving average, and most often you<br />

get false signals. Trend systems need to capture the fat<br />

tail to be successful. If you’ve studied the profile of trend<br />

performance, there are many more losses than profits, so<br />

the profits need to be bigger. I’m convinced that you need<br />

the rare, very large profit to win on balance.<br />

TRADERS´: What do you think about genetic programming<br />

Do you have experience in this field, and if so, which<br />

results did you attain<br />

Kaufman: I’ve created a portfolio program using a genetic<br />

algorithm, and I think I can beat the standard meanvariance<br />

approach that is used in the industry. On the<br />

other hand, I wouldn’t use either one because they are<br />

simply an exercise in over-fitting. These powerful tools<br />

are tempting, but I don’t think they work in the markets.<br />

And I haven’t read anywhere that they have predictive<br />

power. I still think the best solutions are simpler ones.<br />

TRADERS´: Young markets and old markets … this topic<br />

was originally addressed in your “Smarter Trading” book.<br />

Nowadays, which are the younger easier markets and<br />

which one the older<br />

Kaufman: That’s a good question and it goes back to why<br />

the smaller investor has an advantage. Newer markets,<br />

usually index markets, are much trendier and can be<br />

traded with faster moving averages, or whatever trending<br />

method you want. It’s the same as the way we traded<br />

in the 1970s before volume jumped up. New markets<br />

don’t have as much noise because there are far fewer<br />

participants. As they mature they get noisier, so the US<br />

index markets, followed by European, are the noisiest<br />

and need slower trends to be successful. So there is a<br />

window of opportunity for the retail trader to use a trend<br />

for new index markets.<br />

TRADERS´: What is the most reliable technical indicator in<br />

order to detect noise in a price series<br />

Kaufman: The only one I know that measures noise is<br />

my own “Efficiency Ratio,” which has also been named<br />

“fractal efficiency.” It’s simply the difference in price over<br />

n days divided by the sum of the path, which is the sum<br />

of absolute values of the daily changes over the same<br />

n days. The idea was that if you went in a straight line<br />

from point A to point B, then the efficiency was 1.0 (no<br />

noise). If you wander around then the efficiency goes<br />

down, and if you go nowhere then the efficiency is zero<br />

(all noise). Even though I did that in the early 1980s, the<br />

only useful application that I’ve found is for it is deciding<br />

which system to apply to each market. For example, if the<br />

ratio is high then there is a lot of trend and we can use a<br />

trend method. If the ratio is low, then a mean-reverting<br />

strategy is better. I was hoping for more but haven’t yet<br />

figured it out.<br />

I have two charts that I created for the Asian Financial<br />

Forum in 2012. One chart ranks the Asian markets by<br />

noise (Figure 2) and the other ranks a large number of<br />

futures markets the same way (Figure 3). You’ll see that<br />

the more mature Asian markets, the ones in Japan and<br />

Hong Kong, are the noisiest while the less traded ones,<br />

Sri Lanka and Vietnam, are the trendiest. And for futures,<br />

the U.S. and European index markets are the noisiest if<br />

you look past the agricultural products (seasonality fights<br />

with the long term trend). So you want to favour mean<br />

reversion systems for those markets on the right of the<br />

chart, and trend systems for those on the left.<br />

TRADERS´: From your experience, what seems to be the<br />

best filter ever for detecting a trend<br />

Kaufman: I would use a long-term trend as a filter for<br />

short-term trading. And it doesn’t really matter which<br />

method you use. I think that most trend calculations<br />

give you the same result over time. It’s really the market<br />

and not the method. If the market is trending then all<br />

the methods are profitable, and if it’s not trending then<br />

none of them are. There are some internal differences.<br />

For example, a moving average has a lot of small losses<br />

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